― gear (gear), Thursday, 18 August 2005 00:08 (eighteen years ago) link
For some real excitement, check out what's going on over in the ALCentral right now ...
― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 18 August 2005 00:22 (eighteen years ago) link
and right gygax, clearly anyone could pitch a 5 hitter against san diego in THAT park. it's not like there's any precedent w/ willis here; obv luck.
― John (jdahlem), Thursday, 18 August 2005 12:47 (eighteen years ago) link
I like to see good pitchers outduel good teams whereas you are a Yankees fan.
― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 18 August 2005 16:25 (eighteen years ago) link
G! I didn't know you gave up on the Giants!
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 18 August 2005 16:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 18 August 2005 16:33 (eighteen years ago) link
I also am a big fan of all this "throw out every game he got 7-8 runs scored on him and he's the third best pitcher in the NL" talk.
― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 18 August 2005 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 18 August 2005 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 18 August 2005 16:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 August 2005 16:55 (eighteen years ago) link
But back to Dontrelle... Chris Carpenter has given up fewer earned runs in his last 16 starts than Dontrelle did over the span of those 3 meltdown starts.
― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 18 August 2005 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 18 August 2005 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 18 August 2005 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link
(yes carpenter is good)
― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 18 August 2005 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 August 2005 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 18 August 2005 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link
Me (couple of weeks later): He's still pitching pretty great!Gyg: Yeah, but he'll come back to reality soon enough.
Gyg (pointing at mid-June stats): Look he's totally fucking up!
Me (at ACTUAL end of June): Um no he still looks pretty good.Gyg: Yeah, but he'll fuck after the All Star break. He always does.
In your own words dude!
― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 18 August 2005 17:14 (eighteen years ago) link
We had the same discussion a couple of months ago re: Johan Santana, and it was generally agreed that he'd been hit hard a few times but in most of his starts he'd been excellent. Most teams would prefer a guy who's excellent most of the time to a guy who is consistently good all of the time.
― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 18 August 2005 17:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 August 2005 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link
Johan is obviously a slow-starter although his K-rate nearly disappeared for a while and his slugging%-allowed began spiking. Now Johan I would definitely love on the Giants.
(PS: Pierzynski was another Giant I hated Alex, and the fact Sabean gave up Nathan AND Liriano for that lousy POS is another reason to hate him. So to answer your question: yes, it is subjective whether I'm a weirdo or not.)
― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 18 August 2005 17:22 (eighteen years ago) link
If you don't throw out any stats DW is somewhere around 5th-7th best NL pitcher.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 August 2005 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 18 August 2005 18:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 18 August 2005 18:24 (eighteen years ago) link
I was thinking closer to 5th than 7th, but either way he's pretty good, def a far cry from overrated or simply a "fast-starter".
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 August 2005 18:44 (eighteen years ago) link
granted even i don't really think he's THAT good, but he is a damn good pitcher - and a fun guy to watch. so i don't think he's overrated in the slightest. he's like ichiro for example.
― John (jdahlem), Thursday, 18 August 2005 19:22 (eighteen years ago) link
Could it be agreed by all that Dontrelle:1) occasionally pitches like "A GOD WTF"2) tends to pitch more like "A GOD WTF" during the beginning of the season3) struggles with bouts of inconsistency4) is "good" (ie, a top 7 NL pitcher with lots of upside)5) has the benefit of pitching in a pitchers' park
Because I think we're all on the same page if so!
― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 18 August 2005 19:38 (eighteen years ago) link
i can also deal (even agree) w/ the "fast starter" label, but i still call bs on the "fader" one (this isn't directed at gygax, i don't think). that's not supported at all; tho he does tend to have one or two horrible months a year and they have been predominantly in the second half - but other than those bad bunches he's been just as good in the second half as the first...why exactly this is is an interesting question, so mebbe we can conjecture a bit about that if we're done sniping at each other, fun tho it may be.
― John (jdahlem), Thursday, 18 August 2005 20:21 (eighteen years ago) link
he's gotta be the most inconsistent starter in the majors. i wish a pitching coach could come along and get his shit together, if it's some mechanical thing. any info from the marlins as to why this is?
― John (jdahlem), Monday, 22 August 2005 19:39 (eighteen years ago) link
against the light-hitting Dodgers who are 3rd in the NL West (quite possibly the worst division in the history of MLB)
at home (spacious Marlins Stadium)
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 22 August 2005 19:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 August 2005 19:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 22 August 2005 20:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 22 August 2005 20:55 (eighteen years ago) link
― Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Monday, 22 August 2005 21:41 (eighteen years ago) link
ok, so there's still a massive amount of luck involved, but he's no fader.
― John (jdahlem), Monday, 29 August 2005 17:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 29 August 2005 19:32 (eighteen years ago) link
7 IP 0 ER5 IP 1 ER8 IP 0 ER8 IP 1 ER9 IP 0 ER5 IP 2 ER7.1 IP 1 ER8.1 IP 1 ER6 IP 1 ER9 IP 1 ER
(hope i didn't jinx ya)
― John (jdahlem), Saturday, 17 September 2005 16:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― John (jdahlem), Saturday, 17 September 2005 16:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― mattbot (mattbot), Saturday, 17 September 2005 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 17 September 2005 22:42 (eighteen years ago) link
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 18 September 2005 00:54 (eighteen years ago) link
Still in Dontrelle's start before last against the Astros, he jacked a 429 foot homer!
Dontrelle and Carlos Zambrano are both good enough hitting pitchers to bat up in the lineup. Zambrano is also having a great year at the plate hitting .292 and legged out a triple last week.
― Earl Nash (earlnash), Sunday, 18 September 2005 03:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 September 2005 13:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 19 September 2005 14:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 19 September 2005 14:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 19 September 2005 15:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 19 September 2005 16:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 19 September 2005 16:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 19 September 2005 16:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― mattbot (mattbot), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 01:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 03:12 (eighteen years ago) link