Future - Honest (2014)

Looks like it finally has a release date (4/22), preorders are at iTunes, etc., so it needs its own thread, right?

Pretty stoked for this. Love Move That Dope and the title track ... Sh!t not so much.

singles so far

honest > move that dope > sh!t > real & true

"Chosen One" was tight but I guess that's not on it

"Move That Dope" is a little drab imo

Pusha t's "nose better" thing has gone from being a minor flaw to a near-overshadowing problem, I wince every time

Love Sh!t

Pusha t's "nose better" thing has gone from being a minor flaw to a near-overshadowing problem, I wince every time

― lex pretend, Wednesday, March 12, 2014 5:07 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that and his cackling on the intro. outside of P's verse i kind of hate the rest of the song.

for whatever it's worth, Real & True isn't on the tracklist that came out in the past day or two, and Sh!t is a bonus track. Karate Chop, too.

i like having Pluto OG rather than Pluto 3D, so i may just go non-deluxe on this one.

i really like "sh!t" actually, but somehow completely missed "karate chop"!

nowadays whenever I read "tbh" I hear it in my head as "I'M JUST BEING HONEST"

lmao

sh!t is so good

Pluto 3D has "Jealous" and "My" tho

i like having Pluto OG rather than Pluto 3D, so i may just go non-deluxe on this one.
--alpine static

Any version that doesn't have sh!t is not the real version afaic

Apart from its other virtues, "Move That Dope" has a tolerable Pharrell perf.

Tracklist looks interesting. BIG RUBE SPEAKS!

outside of P's verse i kind of hate the rest of the song.

― some dude, Wednesday, March 12, 2014 8:00 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark

future's verse is awesome

I loved Move That Dope at first because of the great beat but over time Future is the only rapper I want to listen to over it and so I end up not playing it at all. I definitely prefer Real and True. Emo Future >*
I'd probably play MTD a lot more if it was only Future and Casino. These other guys are only added so that square people will like it.

http://www.spin.com/articles/future-covered-n-money-honest-stream/

are we gonna get way fewer digi-garbled astroballads this time?

i mean he cut "Real And True" from the tracklist, which is good, hopefully he's got some more melodic songs taking its place. i mean that whole interview that got him in trouble w/ Drake last year was about how much his album is going to make you "feel" something, i doubt he'd abandon that after "Turn On The Lights" and "Neva End" were the biggest radio hits on the first album.

i may be more of a ballads guy :(

If the bangers are largely in that vein I fear this album won't be for me :/

man it'd be so messed up if Future stopped writing as many ballads because of a crappy one Mr. Hudson wrote for him.

i'm still convinced that "real and true" would have done *okay* had they just wiped mr hudson from that track entirely

yeah, could've gotten on playlists for an entire week and ended up a bonus track on the album.

Where is "Substitute Everything"? That should totally be on here

new song is pretty limp considering how awesome "Same Damn Time" was

New song sounds like Shit 2 by way of OG Bobby Johnson.

"OG Bobby Johnson" WAS "Shit 2." most derivative hit song in a minute.

Yeah precisely. It worked better than Shit though. Which is why this sounds like Future trying to perfect the formula through glancing at his imitator.

http://www.directlyrics.com/future-performs-honest-move-that-dope-on-the-wendy-williams-show-interview-news.html

Future never really explains things clearly in interviews even when he's asked to clarify earlier statements, but i'm pretty sure what he's saying happened is: Detail and Beyonce made "Drunk In Love," Detail played it for Future and they wrote "Good Morning" as a revision of it to pitch to B, but then Future liked the song enough that he was thinking of keeping it for Honest, and then she dropped the album w/ the original "Drunk" (possibly w/o ever hearing the Future track), so he decided it couldn't be on his album but he wanted people to hear it anyway.

lol i guess we were talking about this on Beyonce and not the Future thread but w/e you know what i'm talking about

that makes sense

from noz's tumblr

I met Future at a listening session a few weeks ago and asked him about this. It turns out Casino wasn’t supposed to be on either of these records initially but he went rogue and snuck his vocals onto Future’s Pro Tools sessions. Future then found the verses when it was time to send them out to be mastered and decided to leave them on the street versions as a way to boost his brother’s profile. He assured me that Casino’s “Move That Dope” verse will appear on the album.

these records being move that dope & karate chop

Casino is great on "Move That Dope", not so much on "Karate Chop"

Casino is just plain bad on "Karate Chop", and in the end his presence on that record ended up being overshadowed by the controversy with the Lil Wayne remix

Also, I can't help but recall a similar incident with Cyhi the Prynce of GOOD Music, who did pretty much the exact same thing by sneaking his verse onto "So Appalled" while Kanye was asleep in the studio

fuck is with ILX and the True Detective about Casino?

the GOAT snuck in verse was "Lean Back," Fat Joe did 3 verses and then Remy Ma deleted the 2nd and laid hers down and he kept it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqozhaThPQ0

Note: The untitled track after "Sleep (Part II): Carry Stress in the Jaw" is often titled "The Secret Song" (the working title of the song) or "Spy" (the title that appears on various concert setlists). It was originally recorded without bassist Trevor Dunn's input or knowledge; although, shortly before its release, Dunn managed to find it and added a vocal track. Though never explicitly stated, it is believed (by Dunn) that the drums were played by McKinnon, and the bass guitar by Patton.[4]

MAKE MONEY WITH CASIIIIINO!

didn't know that about remy ma and "lean back"! or this trend generally. any other examples?

the weird fixation on future/"drunk in love" always seemed off to me because obviously the most future-esque melody on beyoncé is "jealous"

if you keep me your promise, i'm keeping mine~~~~

the inclusion of "honest" by itself is going to mark this as a must-hear album
such an incredible single
it's like the pinnacle of everything he's about/done. i haven't felt any of his songs like that, except maybe Jealous, My and First Class Flights. Move That Dope has grown on me, but not monumentally

This made my day: http://instagram.com/p/mQ7qknEoDE/

Can this leak already?

i hope this is good but i'm def starting to feel apprehension about it being a Carter III/Thr33 Ringz type situation where it can only be half as good as what it might've been if he hadn't given a couple dozen dope songs to other people since his last album.

This is a electro chaabi remix of the track https://soundcloud.com/cairoliberationfront/future-honest-cairo

Future said via Facebook that he's "making a BIG announcement today!!! #Honest," hopefully a Frank Ocean-esque early release, but probably more tour dates

Wasn't his Kanye collab "I Won" supposed to have dropped a few days back?

Looks like tour dates, good news that he's finally headlining though.

He was okay at best when opening for Drake (at least when compared to Miguel and the headliner, who just puts on a better show than Future, #honest), so I'm still contemplating whether to see him headline when he comes to town.

have to confess ive never gotten the critical love for future (makes me cringe a bit), though i do like various songs, and the new album is really good actually - can i interrupt this thread for a quick S/D for johnny come latelys like myself? i thought honest was patchy really, and had the same issues with it that i did a lot of the dream's work, but i liked pluto. not heard anything since apart from the new one.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOM BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM mumble mumble trip-a-let

grats future on ur #1 u deserve it

i do it for my fans

I love that the chorus on a song called "The Percocet and Stripper Joint" is "I just did a dose of percocet with some strippers."

Not sure how often I'll want to sit through the whole album -- it's a little monotonous. But lots of good tracks.

"Rapper loses his way/gets too soft, then comes back harder, colder and hungrier than ever" is always a great narrative. There are two reasons why it's not doing it for me here, though. First, DS2 doesn't actually bang any harder than a lot of the tracks from Future's "soft" period.

And the more troubling one is he's reinvented himself as this cold, heartless asshole, and it's not just a fictional construct, since he's doing it on the back of an ex he treated (and continues to treat) like shit. Drumming up publicity for your album by continually cutting down the mother of your child is just incomprehensibly shitty, and it's been gross and perplexing watching fans celebrate him for it.

yeah i like the album but the giddy way people are celebrating a little kid's parents trashing each other in the press is sickening

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6MufKZ6h4s

i watched this whole interview which is not my usual practice but hes just a very charismatic man, after he said he records every day spent thanksgiving spent christmas in the studio when he dated ciara it threw him off his game because he had to go out to dinner and go on vacation instead of being in the studio he said he was in the studio the day after he submitted ds2 it got me thinking abt the studio rat rapper type, like wayne and gucci it seems like thugger is the same way too these guys who are just like making new material constantly, it has to be somewhat a product of the mixtape era where you could conceivably release a good chunk of the material you recorded cause if you made 400 songs in a year and you only get to release 16 on an album whats the point, obvs cheaper/easier studio tech contributes too, i guess pac was p prolific back in the day but this seems like a relatively new lifestyle/way of making art, its very devoted and enveloped theyre living their art every day, p cool

fwiw he was pretty gracious re ciara in this one im sure u cld nitpick but really seemed like he just didnt want to talk abt it, the radio crew did tho lol

yeah Pac was prolific for his generation but i think in terms of sheer productivity these guys are on a whole other level. i think Wayne and then Gucci really set the standard of, like, if you want to be on their level you have to work this hard and make this much music. Prince is probably the only guy from outside/before modern rap who seems to keep those kinds of hours in the studio.

i guess future and thugger were mentored by gucci early on so thats prob where they got it

@lagoon producers are obviously a different breed from rappers and more inclined to studio hermitage, but dr. dre claims to have spent a period of years (i think like, close 10?) everyday in the studio without a single break. and at least a little bit of that time was spent rapping..

but yeah, definitely a mixtape/internet-era phenomenon for full-blown emcees. i remember the first time it really struck me was reading vibe's 77 best lil wayne songs of 2007 list

"And the more troubling one is he's reinvented himself as this cold, heartless asshole, and it's not just a fictional construct, since he's doing it on the back of an ex he treated (and continues to treat) like shit. Drumming up publicity for your album by continually cutting down the mother of your child is just incomprehensibly shitty, and it's been gross and perplexing watching fans celebrate him for it."

this is otm. but anyone who has heard his music should not be surprised that future is not the nicest human being.

@lagoon Migos and Thug worked directly out of the Brick Factory studio that Gucci set up in east Atlanta so they saw Gucci's insane workflow in person and were clearly influenced by it. Maybe Future was when made Free Bricks with Gucci. I would say w/r/t mixtapes, the "flood the streets" model of releasing tons of tapes probably started gaining popularity with Wayne in 2006/2007 but never to the extreme level that Gucci did it. He was putting out five tapes a year in 2006 and 2007. He put out EIGHT mixtapes in 2008. It would've probably been even more if he wasn't in jail so much. Really makes Future look like he's dogging it this year by comparison.

can u imagine how many tracks all those dudes have in their vaults my lord

@lagoon producers are obviously a different breed from rappers and more inclined to studio hermitage, but dr. dre claims to have spent a period of years (i think like, close 10?) everyday in the studio without a single break. and at least a little bit of that time was spent rapping..

― soyrev, Friday, July 24, 2015 11:28 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah was thinking this re producers premixtape days they cld still put a ton of work out via being able to collabo w multiple artis

Not sure how often I'll want to sit through the whole album -- it's a little monotonous. But lots of good tracks.

― something totally new, it’s the AOR of the twenty first century (tipsy mothra)

I made a good playlist. That's all the album needs. The album's a different kind of montonous from the Meek Mill album, which got wearying thanks to his hectoring tone.

u cn think of it as monotony but imo thats too pejorative, its a vibe is what it is get into it go deep, the songs will reveal themselves

future also said in that interview that there werent gonna be any features on the album but drake called him the night before he was gonna submit the album and said he really wanted to be on it so he sent him the track that night and drake did his verse and sent it back and he got the album in on time, p cool

read an interview w future where he said hes not having superstar features anymore cause its too much hassle getting everyone to show up and sign off and this album wouldve been out a year ago if it wasnt for them so theres that

― lag∞n, Monday, April 21, 2014 7:48 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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lol anyone catch him talking abt how when esco was locked in dubai jail for weed he had the hard drive with all the music future was working on at the time, its called backups ppl!

use the cloud im just honest

I don't like the Southside sirens there I said it

also lol@j. OTM

i like em in "Commas" and Meek Mill's "Check," they're just way overused in 56 Nights imo

a special circle of hell is reserved for ppl who respond to laptop disasters with "DID YOU BACK UP"

Lol Lex otm

HOW LONG DO U HAVE TO BE TOLD TO BACK UP INFINITY YEARS

i mean srsly u realize it renders the phrase "laptop disaster" nonsensical, or at least noncomputeral

guy traveled with the only copy of extremely valuable music with him

Danger of material leaking from having multiple copies floating around vs. danger of getting busted for weed in Dubai. These are the things a man like Esco has to weigh.

the copies dont need to be floating this has been backup talk w yr pal the computer doctor

I know, but the weed makes him paranoid.

dj esco is too cool for his own good when it comes to following data redundancy best practices

The way that the hard drive woes are disclosed over a dolorous piano melody takes it to a different level imo.I know it's annoying to point out, but thats definitely not astronaut status

I guess it fits in with the whole redemption narrative though… Opiate addiction, divorce, file management problems

lmao

that's when he did beast mode

Rofl!

was looking up who produced a given DS2 track, and idk why exactly but this bit from wiki made me lol

The basis for the album's cover art is a stock photo sold through Shutterstock with the title "Color drop in water, photographed in motion. Ink swirling in water. Cloud of silky ink in water isolated on white background. Colorful ink in water, ink drop." The image was created by Sanja Tošić, an artist based in Slovenia. Although she did not know who Future was until The Fader contacted her to ask about the album art, Tošić said that she is now a fan.[5]

speaking of which, icymi: http://www.thefader.com/2015/08/09/the-hip-hop-wedding-with-dirty-sprite-2-colors

with the title "Color drop in water, photographed in motion. Ink swirling in water. Cloud of silky ink in water isolated on white background. Colorful ink in water, ink drop."

lol

amazing flow

'I just fucked your bitch ink in water, ink drop'

fully love this album now, which i didn't really expect even when i liked it initially

"i served the base" is sooooooo good to dance to

ds2 is very good

relevant thread for fans of DS2 56 NIGHTS v BEAST MODE v MONSTER

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpcyt4obtC4

lol i tweeted that the other day because i saw it on tv and had the same thought

is that the real commercial that runs on TV? wow if so

yeah. i'm pretty i saw it during one of my kid's cartoons!

catch me ridin with them slimes
http://www.two-daloo.com/night-sky-activities-preschool-galaxy-slime-borax-free/
http://www.two-daloo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/armstretch-682x1024.jpg