things Billy Corgan said to Kim Thayil in Australia in 1994 poll

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we've talked about this on at least a couple threads before but i seriously never get tired of it: http://web.stargate.net/soundgarden/articles/spin_4-94.shtml

Poll Results

OptionVotes
You hurt me deeply in my heart. 44
I'm a Pisces, We pick up on those things. 12
but I think I'm going to go back to the core, the heart music. Echo and the Bunnymen. 11
But I hate it, it means they don't think I'm the cute one. 7
Aha! A Virgo. You're argumentative. 5
I spend all my time doing things that may be a bit tangential, 3
I hate how in magazine pictures, they always stick me somewhere in the back 3
like '83-'84 new wave, not like Berlin. 2
C'mon, when is your birthday? 1
I'm thinking of making my next album really new wave, 1
What sign are you? 0
You hurt me deeply 0


luaka boppa flame (some dude), Sunday, 24 February 2013 22:22 (four years ago) Permalink

I spend all my time doing things that may be a bit tangential.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 February 2013 22:23 (four years ago) Permalink

THE CORE

THE HEART MUSIC

ECHO AND THE BUNNYMEN

luaka boppa flame (some dude), Sunday, 24 February 2013 22:25 (four years ago) Permalink

but I think I'm going to go back to the core, the heart music. Echo and the Bunnymen.

:C (crüt), Sunday, 24 February 2013 22:26 (four years ago) Permalink

I almost want to protest. The last two are inextricably tied together in my brain, they can't be separated.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 24 February 2013 22:27 (four years ago) Permalink

the whole text of that part is one of the funniest things ever written:

The next day at the Big Day Out festival, Thayil is talking to Kim and Kelley Deal in the Breeders' dressing room when Corgan walks past wearing a long-sleeved Superman T-shirt like the one your four-year-old nephew probably owns.

"You hurt me deeply," Corgan says, touching the giant S on his chest and pouting. "You hurt me deeply in my heart."

luaka boppa flame (some dude), Sunday, 24 February 2013 22:29 (four years ago) Permalink

Your hurt me deeply vs. You hurt me deeply in my heart

administrator galina (Matt P), Sunday, 24 February 2013 22:32 (four years ago) Permalink

it's kind of nice to see that he was just as much of a ridiculous tool back when he was in the middle or writing Mellon Collie classics

luaka boppa flame (some dude), Sunday, 24 February 2013 22:36 (four years ago) Permalink

Billy Corgan can't make his face into a heart.

Loser

the whole text of that part is one of the funniest things ever written:

/The next day at the Big Day Out festival, Thayil is talking to Kim and Kelley Deal in the Breeders' dressing room when Corgan walks past wearing a long-sleeved Superman T-shirt like the one your four-year-old nephew probably owns.

"You hurt me deeply," Corgan says, touching the giant S on his chest and pouting. "You hurt me deeply in my heart."/

Yes but can Billy Corgan make his face into a heart?

hyggeligt, Sunday, 24 February 2013 22:38 (four years ago) Permalink

I voted for Aha! A Virgo. You're argumentative. for personal reasons, but the answer really is You hurt me deeply in my heart.

harvester of lols (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 24 February 2013 23:06 (four years ago) Permalink

I spend all my time doing things that may be a bit tangential.

― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, February 24, 2013 6:23 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^ so choice. the others are all outwardly amusing & ridiculous, but this one paints such a vivid picture of the interior life of billy corgan, installing a microphone in his kitchen to record the sound of clingfilm being stretched, driving way out of town to see if he can get a cheap deal on a new printer, looking up the zoning details of his building in the city ordinance to see if he could push his landlord for reduced rent.

schlump, Sunday, 24 February 2013 23:29 (four years ago) Permalink

like '83-'84 new wave, not like Berlin.

B.A. "Bad Attitude" Santamaria (King Boy Pato), Monday, 25 February 2013 10:35 (four years ago) Permalink

i thought Corgan is straight..

nostormo, Monday, 25 February 2013 10:40 (four years ago) Permalink

Straight trippin

how's life, Monday, 25 February 2013 12:18 (four years ago) Permalink

Clearly "You hurt me deeply"/"You hurt me deeply in my heart" are the real winners here, but I'm voting for "I hate how in magazine pictures, they always stick me somewhere in the back" because it's just so stunningly needy and is a perfect encapsulation of how Corgan's personality has always seemed to me. Thayil's measured, rational and 100% OTM response is great too.

Mostly, though, I just wanted to post this:

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 25 February 2013 13:21 (four years ago) Permalink

Especially since it's not really borne out by press photos of the time:

Voted for "You hurt me deeply in my heart" though.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 25 February 2013 13:46 (four years ago) Permalink

You know Iha in that photo was all, whatever, I don't give a shit, put me in back.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 February 2013 13:49 (four years ago) Permalink

Whatever you want, Billy, I'm flipping you off behind your back.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 February 2013 13:50 (four years ago) Permalink

how's life, Monday, 25 February 2013 13:53 (four years ago) Permalink

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 February 2013 13:57 (four years ago) Permalink

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 February 2013 13:58 (four years ago) Permalink

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 February 2013 13:59 (four years ago) Permalink

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 February 2013 14:01 (four years ago) Permalink

the corgan/thayil standoff has been etched in my brain for nearly 20 years as well

da croupier, Monday, 25 February 2013 14:05 (four years ago) Permalink

so many great moments but i have to go with "you hurt me deeply in my heart"

da croupier, Monday, 25 February 2013 14:05 (four years ago) Permalink

voted for echo and the bunnymen just going from the options sitting there by themselves, but actually reading the piece, they are all pretty compelling.

"Aha!" Corgan says. "A Virgo. You're argumentative."

"Damn right, I'm argumentative," Thayil says, and takes a long, angry pulll at his beer, "which you should know because I've been arguing with you for half an hour, not because of any sign."

"I'm a Pisces," Corgan replies. "We pick up on those things."

Doctor Casino, Monday, 25 February 2013 14:20 (four years ago) Permalink

this fucking guy

Doctor Casino, Monday, 25 February 2013 14:21 (four years ago) Permalink

I wish I could vote for the actual best part of this, which is this:

Cornell and Thayil are settling back with a couple of beers when Billy Corgan from Smashing Pumpkins wanders through, and decides to join them for a strawberry margarita.

:C (crüt), Monday, 25 February 2013 14:22 (four years ago) Permalink

Aha! A Virgo. You're argumentative.

'Cuz I'm a Virgo and I'm argumentative.

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Monday, 25 February 2013 14:32 (four years ago) Permalink

Curt otm.

Although my favorite all time Billy moment is him dressing up in a clown costume onstage because he was butthurt over a bad review in Melody Maker.

Ulna (Nicole), Monday, 25 February 2013 14:39 (four years ago) Permalink

What's so amazing is that this is what Corgan was like early in his career, a good many years before any other number of insufferable transgressions.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 February 2013 14:40 (four years ago) Permalink

He was insufferable right off the bat.

Ulna (Nicole), Monday, 25 February 2013 14:42 (four years ago) Permalink

totally insufferable nightmare

otoh, "Rhinoceros" and "Bury Me"

This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Monday, 25 February 2013 14:57 (four years ago) Permalink

I'm not saying all the music is bad, but he has always been a complete twit in interviews, etc.

Ulna (Nicole), Monday, 25 February 2013 16:10 (four years ago) Permalink

serious lmao at this exchange as presented here. somehow i didn't realize corgan was just as fascinating of a personality pre-mellon collie.

billstevejim, Monday, 25 February 2013 16:31 (four years ago) Permalink

he is basically crazy

This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Monday, 25 February 2013 16:31 (four years ago) Permalink

I always liked Thayil but that interview pretty much cemented it in my brain when it ran. Would buy him a beer anytime.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 25 February 2013 16:32 (four years ago) Permalink

I love that nearly 20 years after these exchanges took place it's still endlessly rewarding to pick them apart and lol at what a giant tool Billy Corgan was and is. His dickheadery transcends time.

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 25 February 2013 16:37 (four years ago) Permalink

you hurt me deeply in my heart FTW

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 25 February 2013 16:38 (four years ago) Permalink

that interview is so great, alltime favorite

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 25 February 2013 16:38 (four years ago) Permalink

in context, "I'm a Pisces, We pick up on those things," is probably the most amazing line here

This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Monday, 25 February 2013 16:41 (four years ago) Permalink

I had to go for "But I hate it, it means they don't think I'm the cute one." because it's so hilariously childish and petulant.

Ulna (Nicole), Monday, 25 February 2013 16:43 (four years ago) Permalink

Corgan tells Thayil how important Soundgarden used to be to him, and he baits him by saying that the Pumpkins sometimes do a cover of Soundgarden's "Outshined" that segues into a Depeche Mode song or something.

:C (crüt), Monday, 25 February 2013 16:48 (four years ago) Permalink

fwiw imagining pumpkins covering "outshined" sounds like it could be awesome.

billstevejim, Monday, 25 February 2013 16:56 (four years ago) Permalink

I'm a Pisces, We pick up on those things. is really speaking to me right now

turds (Hungry4Ass), Monday, 25 February 2013 17:05 (four years ago) Permalink

this makes me wish Kim Thayil did all of Soundgarden's interviews, possibly also co-hosted That Metal Show or something

luaka boppa flame (some dude), Monday, 25 February 2013 18:49 (four years ago) Permalink

"you hurt me deeply in my heart" is not complete without the image of corgan pointing to the superman logo on his chest/shirt

brimstead, Monday, 25 February 2013 18:54 (four years ago) Permalink

okay

Imagine Dawn Richard is singing all of Armor On and Goldenheart to Billy Corgan in a Superman t-shirt

;_;

This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Monday, 25 February 2013 18:55 (four years ago) Permalink

i kept the poll options strictly to the quotes but feel free to vote based on their full meaning and context

luaka boppa flame (some dude), Monday, 25 February 2013 18:57 (four years ago) Permalink

This interview should have won a pulitzer. Best ever.

The winner has to be "..deeply in my heart", but they're all solid gold.

Mule, Monday, 25 February 2013 20:07 (four years ago) Permalink

what the hell is the solo to "Zero" btw. like it's this out of key weird alien sounding thing. have always liked it but didn't know if it was just achieved with a fuck ton of pedal effects or if he was just mashing frets in the 22 - 24s and bending them weirdly

― Neanderthal, Sunday, April 24, 2016 10:04 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that's one of James' rare shining moments in a SP studio recording. painstakingly pieced together, and yeah it's run through like half a dozen harmonizers and pitch shifters

flappy bird, Monday, 25 April 2016 21:58 (one year ago) Permalink

"Zero" is a remarkably powerful and compact song, their shortest epic. one of his most distinctive riffs, for sure. lots of layering going on with the rhythm tracks:

"Zero"
We like to call this style of our music "Cybermetal." "Zero" has six rhythm guitars, with two line-in 12-string acoustics, plus those wacky Iha leads. Tracked live with overdubs added later, this is a true mover as well as the first song that was recorded for Mellon Collie, James has always said this reminds him of Judas Priest.

http://www.starla.org/articles/gw5.htm

flappy bird, Monday, 25 April 2016 22:00 (one year ago) Permalink

I actually bought that issue of GW!

Crazy Eddie & Jesus the Kid (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 25 April 2016 23:39 (one year ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

ok now he's gone too far

Sharia Laws and Lambchop (The Yellow Kid), Thursday, 12 May 2016 19:37 (one year ago) Permalink

why Prince and not this jackass

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 12 May 2016 21:50 (one year ago) Permalink

if we had to lose one chemtrails believer...

Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 May 2016 21:51 (one year ago) Permalink

Why does he look like a hobo

Pentenema Karten, Thursday, 12 May 2016 23:01 (one year ago) Permalink

sometimes hobos have valid ideas. See: Regis Philbin, Kenneth Arrow, Charlotte Bronte

Poliopolice, Friday, 13 May 2016 00:00 (one year ago) Permalink

Regis Philbin was invented by a hobo?!

sisterhood of the baggering vance (Doctor Casino), Friday, 13 May 2016 02:28 (one year ago) Permalink

flappy bird, Friday, 13 May 2016 02:34 (one year ago) Permalink

http://boingboing.net/2016/05/13/billy-corgan-upset-that.html

Billy Corgan upset that "the wrong racial epithet" could destroy his career

ejemplo (crüt), Friday, 13 May 2016 13:43 (one year ago) Permalink

billy-corgan-upset

HYPERLINK TO RAP GENIUS (BradNelson), Friday, 13 May 2016 13:44 (one year ago) Permalink

Why does he look like a hobo

When was the last time you saw a hobo with a monogrammed hat?

Sam Weller, Friday, 13 May 2016 15:28 (one year ago) Permalink

welcome to Boston

i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Friday, 13 May 2016 15:34 (one year ago) Permalink

Billy Corgan upset that "the wrong racial epithet" could destroy his career

to be fair, we do have some weird problem in our society where we say that people are the worst things they've ever done or said. It's not a great way to view the world, in my opinion.

Poliopolice, Friday, 13 May 2016 17:42 (one year ago) Permalink

heresy

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 May 2016 18:27 (one year ago) Permalink

we have this other problem with white bros who are preemptively worried that if they start spewing some racist garbage they might get their feet held to the fire a little instead of just given the "aww, Billy, he's just being Billy! let the man have his epithets, after all he's made so much terrible music!" treatment

The bald Phil Collins impersonator cash grab (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 13 May 2016 18:33 (one year ago) Permalink

Billy's just such a pathetic fucking dweeb.

Elvis Santana (stevie), Friday, 13 May 2016 19:48 (one year ago) Permalink

Going after that Gamergate dollar like a chump.

Elvis Santana (stevie), Friday, 13 May 2016 19:49 (one year ago) Permalink

so i ended up falling in this alex jones hole because of corgan and anyway i found this crazy ass sequence where he went on a reverie to The Doors and I ended up making a negativland type LA Woman/Alex Jones thing....the last 2 minutes when it's just him is stunning radio

http://soundcloud.com/matthew-lee-helgeson/mojowars-feat-al3x-j0n3s-the-d00rs

rockpalast '82 (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 16 May 2016 19:48 (one year ago) Permalink

Love this - great job! Rich lung cleanse baritone, just like Morrison.

BlackIronPrison, Monday, 16 May 2016 19:54 (one year ago) Permalink

the power of DNA force

rockpalast '82 (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 16 May 2016 21:06 (one year ago) Permalink

billy corgan has a career?

Your Favorite Album in the Cutout Bin, Monday, 16 May 2016 21:40 (one year ago) Permalink

SP sorta flies under the radar these days but they sell out every place they play. granted, those are 2,000-5,000 seat theaters, but he's doing pretty good for himself. fwiw, this latest run of In Plainsong shows was the best he's sounded in years.

flappy bird, Monday, 16 May 2016 22:30 (one year ago) Permalink

so basically, he is at the same stage of his career now as the guy from styx was in 1992

Your Favorite Album in the Cutout Bin, Monday, 16 May 2016 22:47 (one year ago) Permalink

Sounds approx right.

hardcore dilettante, Monday, 16 May 2016 23:21 (one year ago) Permalink

Chris Cornell is doing the same... Pearl Jam are the only contemporaries of his that are still playing arenas & stadiums.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 00:12 (one year ago) Permalink

m@tt this is awesome! have you tweeted this yet? can i tweet it?

a goon shaped tool (some dude), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 01:04 (one year ago) Permalink

Yeah go ahead and tweet it anyone and thanks!

rockpalast '82 (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 11:39 (one year ago) Permalink

Chris Cornell just played the Royal Albert Hall in London, which is pretty prestigious tbh, and Soundgarden headlined Hyde Park a few years back (though it did not sell out, and they were support to Sabbath there two summers ago)

it's getting ott in here / so take off all your clothes (stevie), Tuesday, 17 May 2016 15:31 (one year ago) Permalink

SP just did three nights at the Beacon Theater in NYC, I saw them at the Lincoln Theater in DC, all were sold out... i think they're operating at the same level rn

flappy bird, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 17:08 (one year ago) Permalink

i tweeted it

goole, Tuesday, 17 May 2016 18:07 (one year ago) Permalink

chris cornell has a valid and estimable solo career

akm, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 05:08 (one year ago) Permalink

eight months pass...
one month passes...

I just watched Author: The JT Leroy story on Amazon and did not know how involved Corgan was with the whole saga!

Better yet I can now confirm actual audio of a phone message in which Billy refers to himself in third person as "the Corganator"

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 01:04 (two months ago) Permalink

oh my god that is excellent news

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 01:05 (two months ago) Permalink

I heard the dude gets all superfan on BC and asks all these questions about the effects pedals on Gish. Need to see it still.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 8 March 2017 15:29 (two months ago) Permalink

haha yeah that part is so funny (though that's not the dude the dude, it's like the husband of the woman wrote "JT Leroy" and the brother of the woman who played "JT Leroy")

the whole thing is so weird

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 March 2017 17:46 (two months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Just going back to this... why are his sleeves so long?

Sherman's Shermits (S-), Thursday, 11 May 2017 06:26 (two weeks ago) Permalink

he wears a lot of layers

flappy bird, Thursday, 11 May 2017 06:36 (two weeks ago) Permalink

he wears a lot of layers

flappy bird, Thursday, 11 May 2017 06:38 (two weeks ago) Permalink

there's a classic Billy quote in the 1994 SPIN Artist of the Year piece by Azerrad:

Corgan is still wearing that lumber jacket. "I hate being cold," he explains. "It reminds me of when I got punished when I was a kid and got sent down to the basement."

flappy bird, Thursday, 11 May 2017 06:39 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Never forget.

The Pickety 33⅓ Policeman (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 18 May 2017 11:09 (one week ago) Permalink

Chris Cornell is dead but Billy Corgan lives.

Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Thursday, 18 May 2017 14:10 (one week ago) Permalink

Outshined

flappy bird, Thursday, 18 May 2017 16:38 (one week ago) Permalink

how jealous do we think billy is of the coverage chris cornell is getting today

Drive Your Lover Wild In Bed By Cosplaying As Jeff Lynne (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 18 May 2017 16:44 (one week ago) Permalink

he wrote a pretty heartfelt thing about Scott Weiland when he passed. I'm sure he'll do the same for Cornell. becoming a father seems to have mellowed Billy... to an extent

flappy bird, Thursday, 18 May 2017 16:46 (one week ago) Permalink

if he does i really hope he mentions when he was on tour with soundgarden in australia in 1994

Drive Your Lover Wild In Bed By Cosplaying As Jeff Lynne (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 18 May 2017 16:50 (one week ago) Permalink

"Chris was a Cancer - I picked up on it immediately."

flappy bird, Thursday, 18 May 2017 18:20 (one week ago) Permalink


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