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things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 02:50 (5 months ago) Permalink

is there any interview or other material justifying/explaining the ~war on terror~ paratext

it seemed a bit gauche before i actually heard his music but having done so, it seems quite apt, a gnostic half-world of sub rosa violence and all that muslimgauzy hauntology ish

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 03:53 (5 months ago) Permalink

He gets the most fuckawful sales patter on boomkat but yeah this guy was strong in 2012. The best tracks are weirdly still and peaceful, sort of uncomfortably relaxing.

oppet, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 05:20 (5 months ago) Permalink

this is super boomkat yeah

uncomfortably relaxing = unhomely

CAIRO IS A HAUNTED CITY

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 05:25 (5 months ago) Permalink

Ah yes I knew there was a proper word for it.

Surely it is not beyond the capabilities of today's noize memeists to make a Vatican shadow track titles generator to keep us entertained at Christmas.

oppet, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 05:35 (5 months ago) Permalink

half of them are just random snippets of aljazeera articles so i don't think that would be too hard

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 05:40 (5 months ago) Permalink

i was looking for a youtube of 'final victory -- christ became man and had truly assumed human nature' to post for seasonal effect

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 05:47 (5 months ago) Permalink

The sniper was wearing a knitted snowman jumper.

oppet, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 05:55 (5 months ago) Permalink

there it is

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 05:59 (5 months ago) Permalink

chechnya's ghosts loom large in death of former santa

lex pretend, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 08:07 (5 months ago) Permalink

Read a bit comparing his music/image to Muslimgauze, with the difference that the Vatican Shadow track titles/image are not really indicative of any actual stance, just a reappropriation of dark/militant image.

I can't tell if some of the things he's done/said as an artist are really po-faced or just meant to give that impression. Slippery slope, really.

http://boomkat.com/collections/dominick-fernow-vatican-shadow-2012-chart

mh, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 22:05 (5 months ago) Permalink

DF is kinda like that. the military references are no different than the bondage/drug references in Prurient stuff really.

crüt, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 22:08 (5 months ago) Permalink

that is what is intriguing, the dispassionate agglomeration of middle east 'war' 'terror' signifiers but no obvious political stance

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 22:10 (5 months ago) Permalink

yeah agreed crut

this sort of abstract music can be laden quite heavily with extratextual associations to augment the desolate/unsettling atmospherics, which can come off as pretty cheap or glib but i don't really get that here

is there any prurient stuff that is worth hearing? i had an lp before but it didn't leave too great an impression, clearly

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 22:13 (5 months ago) Permalink

are you saying he isn't into bondage/drugs? my heart is broken.

mh, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 22:17 (5 months ago) Permalink

if you can get past the ridiculous words in the yelling, I like the Prurient album

mh, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 22:18 (5 months ago) Permalink

dude is probably into bondage/drugs. and violence and war.

crüt, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 22:38 (5 months ago) Permalink

(or at least he wants people to think that)

crüt, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 22:40 (5 months ago) Permalink

academically

mh, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 22:40 (5 months ago) Permalink

what is his okcupid url

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 22:41 (5 months ago) Permalink

I quite liked the Prurient album from last year, but, this:

I can't tell if some of the things he's done/said as an artist are really po-faced or just meant to give that impression. Slippery slope, really.

This is SUCH a pet peeve of mine, and to me, it's rampant in his work. In general I really resent the tendency in noise/industrial/whatever that you have to have titles/concepts/whatever that match sonics in terms of darkness, to the point of becoming a dick measuring contest about how morbid you can come across. If the music is dark then it's dark; how insecure are you that you need to thrown in references to Chechnyan children for it to make sense?

formerly EDB (ed.b), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 22:43 (5 months ago) Permalink

xp actually there are pictures of his old okcupid page on noize board somewhere, along with color commentary about him being a pedo

mh, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 22:44 (5 months ago) Permalink

save the babies

Tome Cruise (Matt P), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 22:46 (5 months ago) Permalink

ha i hadnt heard that mh

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 22:47 (5 months ago) Permalink

Cairo is a haunted city is great but I do wonder what this guys deal is

I am using your worlds, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 22:59 (5 months ago) Permalink

In general I really resent the tendency in noise/industrial/whatever that you have to have titles/concepts/whatever that match sonics in terms of darkness, to the point of becoming a dick measuring contest about how morbid you can come across.

haha I love this kinda shit tbrr

crüt, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 23:11 (5 months ago) Permalink

I vacillate between "really, are you fucking kidding me" and "yesssssss"

mh, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 23:13 (5 months ago) Permalink

the former leads to the latter tbh

only vatican shadow does it to this extent though, right?

i've only heard two albums by him, the two released this year; i fell in love w/ghosts of chechnya immediately but didn't like ornamented walls at all - i think i might like him better in his techno guise

"snipers..." is so fucking gorgeous

lex pretend, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 23:16 (5 months ago) Permalink

Which of his releases are the most techno?

I am using your worlds, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 23:19 (5 months ago) Permalink

ghosts of chechnya as far as i know

lex pretend, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 23:19 (5 months ago) Permalink

Thanks

I am using your worlds, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 23:21 (5 months ago) Permalink

Read a bit comparing his music/image to Muslimgauze

he says he started making Vatican Shadow tracks because... he wanted more Muslimgauze albums to listen to.

2am chopped top (brimstead), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 23:24 (5 months ago) Permalink

what else sounds like vatican shadow

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 00:17 (5 months ago) Permalink

http://www.factmag.com/2012/04/01/prurient-and-still-wanting/

The tapes you released in 2009 as Vatican Shadow – Kneel Before Religious Icons and Byzantine Private CIA – sound to me like precursors to Bermuda Drain, in the sense that they’re rhythm-led, atmospheric and decisively electronic pieces. Is it fair to say that that what you’ve learned from that project has fed into the way you do things as Prurient?

“Well, in some ways it has and in some ways it hasn’t. Quite simply, Vatican Shadow was the first time that I was experimenting with making beats, and in that sense it did lay some groundwork for Bermuda Drain. I love certain sides of Muslimgauze records, and I kind of ran out of that sort of music to listen to, so that’s partly why Vatican came about…I mean, a lot of what motivates me in general is that when I can’t find something I want, I try to create it, to satisfy that need. And in many ways that’s what Bermuda Drain is too – I’m looking for this thing and I can’t quite find it so I think, ok, so I’ll make it myself.

“You could also say that Vatican is the total opposite and antithesis of Bermuda Drain, because it doesn’t address the personal world thematically. It’s really more about headlines…I like to describe it as being like a spy game, an espionage board game where you don’t know who’s winning or what side you’re on. I think that’s fair. I like the idea that there are multiple events happening simultaneously, and they may be unrelated, but somehow they’re creating a larger picture. I like the idea of things working behind the scenes, particularly in a sinister way. Even the name Vatican Shadow, and all the song titles, are based around this idea of fear and mistrust and…”

Conspiracy?

“I mean, it’s linked to conspiracy, but I actually have no real interest in that and am not advocating any of those theories. I find [conspiracy] interesting as a symbol for collapse, a total lack of trust, a total global failure – I think that’s what’s interesting. I have no agenda. I like the atmosphere of degeneration and fear that Vatican conjures. It’s very poetic. When you read the news and see these headlines sometimes you just think you’re reading poetry. They’re so absurd.” [laughs]

crüt, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 00:20 (5 months ago) Permalink

There was an error parsing the BBcode in your post:
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crüt, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 00:20 (5 months ago) Permalink

he is a pedophile
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mh, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 00:21 (5 months ago) Permalink

that's prurient amirite

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 00:22 (5 months ago) Permalink

So many Vatican Shadow options this year but this one was my favorite:

River of Ectoplasm (Cass, Ltd, C120)
A1 Had 'Em Throwin' a Party for a Bunch of Children
A2 While All of the While the Slime Was Under the Building
A3 Grabbed the Proton packs off the Back and They Split
B1 The Bones Over the Door Rattled as Venkman Entered the Shop
B2 Dana Walked Down the Street with Venkman Retracing the Path of the Runaway Buggy
B3 The Improved Ectomobile Roared Out onto the Street
B4 Its Ghostly Siren Moaning and Wailing

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Andy K, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 00:31 (5 months ago) Permalink

some of the Christian Cosmos stuff is really dope

crüt, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 00:42 (5 months ago) Permalink

i want to post one of this dude's press shots in lonely guys thinking baout things

i'm certain that most of the people depicted in that thread are thinking 'would it matter if vatican shadow just released untitled albums in plain covers'

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 01:01 (5 months ago) Permalink

Beats aside there isn't actually that much difference between Vatican Shadow and someone like Burial, except there's a chasm of difference between calling your track 'In McDonalds' and calling it 'Chechnya's Ghosts Loom Large In Death Of Former Spy' when the musical differences are microscopic.

Of course Vatican Shadow himself knows this and he knows full well that this extremely broadsheet-friendly music is going to listened to by people who are at the same time reading accounts of all manner of atrocities. It's an album that's good to read to, it's an album that works strangely well on a Sunday afternoon. It's excellent background music, there's not much going on after a couple of bars.

The music SOUNDS fucking amazing, by the way.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 02:37 (5 months ago) Permalink

i don't think it is narcissism of small differences to suggest that burial does not sound that much like vatican shadow

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 02:40 (5 months ago) Permalink

Vatican Shadow (dark techno / broadsheet techno)

Burial (dubstep / blood and soil electro)

Objective NON correlation, granular analysis PROVES differentiated soundtype arrays

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 03:00 (5 months ago) Permalink

I dunno, the beats are totally different but the sonically they're not very far apart - it doesn't have to be Burial though, the basic point can apply to any producer of grim-sounding abstract music.

Like I get the sense that this is record (not listened to the others) is actually meant to represent the unease of reading about atrocities rather than the experience of them. And he knows his audience and he's well aware of all this.

Then again it is late on Christmas Day and I am drunk but I still think this is one of the best records of this year.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 03:09 (5 months ago) Permalink

i think it's cyberpunk adorno music

Mordy, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 03:21 (5 months ago) Permalink

how could we rebrand vatican shadow

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 03:23 (5 months ago) Permalink

there are about a trillion releases so if one were so inclined to carefully repackage one of them and send press releases etc, how could it be presented

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 03:25 (5 months ago) Permalink

Mordy, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 03:25 (5 months ago) Permalink

an NRO contributor greatly concerned w/rise of Islamism plays techno

Mordy, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 03:28 (5 months ago) Permalink

like even though it only sounds like burial to drunk people, what if we use the burial concept but alter the signifiers from grotty suburban london to some industrial city in china, press releases would focus heavily on the anomie of living in a smog cloaked exurban wasteland

all of the lp covers would be photos of shopping trolleys in canals, track names would be broken english with random chinese characters, it would be the work of a producer born in harbin in 1983 who spent a year studying industrial design in kiev and is now living a shadowy existence hiding from the CCP, emailing flacs surreptitiously from internet cafes

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 03:33 (5 months ago) Permalink

If he wants to rebrand he has to change names. Vatican Shadow is DF's war-themed bedroom techno project, just like Exploring Jezebel is his femdom/male-humiliation fetish-themed noise project and Christian Cosmos is his Christian-themed ambient-industrial project.

crüt, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 03:37 (5 months ago) Permalink

Is that Exploring Jezebel thing any good? It looks like every track is 45 minutes (!)

mh, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 03:46 (5 months ago) Permalink

I haven't heard that one. 8 x C90 sounds like a great way to release music! Also, lol @ each side being called a "Dildo": http://www.discogs.com/Exploring-Jezebel-Penis-Torture-Chamber/release/2384418

crüt, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 03:49 (5 months ago) Permalink

It's on digital release, too, looks like.

mh, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 03:51 (5 months ago) Permalink

is there any ilm thread about the arbitrariness of paratext in electronic music

like what if drexciya instead of black science fiction had been about a counterfactual reality where the british empire never finished

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 04:02 (5 months ago) Permalink

roman empire never ended iirc

mh, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 04:12 (5 months ago) Permalink

what else sounds like vatican shadow

Vatican Shadow I've heard was pretty close to Sandwell District and their off-shoots (go and listen to the Silent Servant album if you haven't heard that yet). Also maybe Morphosis too.

Albert Crampus (NickB), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 10:57 (5 months ago) Permalink

it sounds like early 80's SPK

sisilafami, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 11:30 (5 months ago) Permalink

Fernow put out Silent Servant's album this year (Hospital Productions is his label). It's a bit like VS but better and without the war on terror titles

He's also in a black metal band, which I'm guessing won't come as a massive shock to anyone - http://www.last.fm/music/Ash+Pool

paolo, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 12:01 (5 months ago) Permalink

Also merry christmas everybody

paolo, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 12:01 (5 months ago) Permalink

i have the silent servant album which is my kinda thing, but apart from one or two tracks it hasn't quite clicked (yet, maybe)

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 15:02 (5 months ago) Permalink

the christian cosmos youtube crut posted is great

flopson, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 19:55 (5 months ago) Permalink

thanks to whoever mentioned morphosis and reminded me to listen to that album

mh, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 22:29 (5 months ago) Permalink

andy stott and actress are much better ref pts than burial imo

tell the kids it's 卵 (clouds), Thursday, 27 December 2012 03:24 (5 months ago) Permalink

Andy Stott definitely, Actress doesn't have quite the right kind of echoey dank sonic murk going on (it's about tone, not beats or whether one is dubstep or industrial or techno). But Andy Stott's titles are pretty innocuous so he doesn't fit the point I was making like Burial does - as far as I know there's no discourse or mythology around Andy Stott that stems almost entirely from track titles. People hear associations in the music because the producer has led them there largely through extra-musical means (although the music is certainly sombre enough to fit). As far as I know VS isn't actually sampling music from war zones, although I'd guess he uses some heavy imagery in the live show.

Matt DC, Thursday, 27 December 2012 12:30 (5 months ago) Permalink

Other stuff from this year that you could probably link somehow to VatShad:

Cut Hands - power electronics mainstay goes techno while roping in themes of fear, violence and imperialism from other people's woeful histories
Shackleton - labyrinthine Fourth World post-dubsteppe haunted with the ghosts of lost tribes, murdered monks and dead intelligence operatives
Shifted - interminable grey slog across a shell-pocked landscape all to the deadened thump of a post-Gas kick drum as heard from the shitty confines of a cold, dark car boot
Shed - combat zone techno with big blocks of sound rumbling into position on the backs of scud transporters under sporadic but futile small arms fire from renegade snares
Raime - bleak but pouty post-goth electro played at doom metal slug speed, something tells me these guys tuck their jeans into their lace-up boots, but probably more out of sartorial pride rather than agricultural necessity

Albert Crampus (NickB), Thursday, 27 December 2012 12:42 (5 months ago) Permalink

darkwave darkwave darkwave, i feel like i've come over all martian

Albert Crampus (NickB), Thursday, 27 December 2012 12:43 (5 months ago) Permalink

There's a Prurient album coming out on BEB next year, and the last track was on some BEB radio show recently (it's on Doufcloud somewhere) - I only listened once a few weeks ago, but it sounded pretty awesome - going further in a techno direction, I guess.

toby, Thursday, 27 December 2012 14:19 (5 months ago) Permalink

Greedily checking out anything I haven't heard of on this thread in the hope of finding something I love as much as the Silent Servant album (the VatShad is p. good too, since I'm on his thread)

a panda, Malmö (a passing spacecadet), Thursday, 27 December 2012 19:01 (5 months ago) Permalink

No one's mentioned Rainforest Spiritual Enslavement yet (at least according to a quick check a moment ago), and they deserve to be mentioned, esp. since it's on Hospital Productions, is already another really prolific project, and is most likely D. Fernow yet again (either solo or maybe with Kris Lapke as on the Christian Cosmos material).

Ltd. cassette releases from the last year or maybe two have been made digitally available throughout 2012, to the extent that this catalog of downloads collectively made #9 on Boomkat's staff year-end list:

http://boomkat.com/search?q=Artist%3A%20RAINFOREST%20SPIRITUAL%20ENSLAVEMENT&fields[]=artist,track_artists

(Everything I've heard has at least been very good IMO, but FWIW, I'd recommend checking out either "Fallen Leaves Camouflaged Behind Tropical Flowers" or "Papua Land Where Spirits Still Rule" to start)

BISH HOOS aka the teendrimer (Craig D.), Friday, 28 December 2012 01:34 (5 months ago) Permalink

(In other words: Antipodean death-ambient eco-justice OSTs FTW?)

BISH HOOS aka the teendrimer (Craig D.), Friday, 28 December 2012 01:46 (5 months ago) Permalink

if you're looking for some dark industrial techno, this is outstanding : http://opaltapes.bandcamp.com/album/basic-house-im-not-a-heaven-man

this year's best stuff best stuff in the genre with carter tutti void & silent servent.

sisilafami, Friday, 28 December 2012 16:45 (5 months ago) Permalink

this is more like it

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Friday, 28 December 2012 19:38 (5 months ago) Permalink

"interminable grey slog"

lol

flopson, Friday, 28 December 2012 19:57 (5 months ago) Permalink

dl'd immediately from the descrip tbh

nevaeh for evaeh (clouds), Friday, 28 December 2012 20:06 (5 months ago) Permalink

Prurient track I mentioned upthread is at 1hr 39m here:

http://soundcloud.com/n_u_t_s/2012-11-02-14-00-00-open-deck

toby, Wednesday, 2 January 2013 08:59 (5 months ago) Permalink

feel like vatican shadow ppl would also like fatima al qadiri's GSX

乒乓, Wednesday, 2 January 2013 18:07 (5 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Prurient album now streaming here:

http://pitchfork.com/advance/31-through-the-window/

Really can't get enough of this, esp. the title track (the one I linked above).

toby, Tuesday, 19 February 2013 08:11 (4 months ago) Permalink

this is really great, title track is amazing. first prurient album i've heard - much more technoey than i was expecting

lex pretend, Thursday, 28 February 2013 10:14 (3 months ago) Permalink

technoey deschanel

Mark G, Thursday, 28 February 2013 11:45 (3 months ago) Permalink

it almost makes me want to check out the other prurient albums, but I suspect they don't sound much like this?

toby, Thursday, 28 February 2013 18:59 (3 months ago) Permalink

most of them don't. it really depends, but most of them tend towards the harsh noise end of the spectrum.

:C (crüt), Thursday, 28 February 2013 19:00 (3 months ago) Permalink

bermuda drain has some similar moments, but a lot more yelling over the top

☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Thursday, 28 February 2013 19:01 (3 months ago) Permalink

this is the sort of thing I think of when I think of Prurient: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-kIMhSD5r8

:C (crüt), Thursday, 28 February 2013 19:04 (3 months ago) Permalink

Seriously this is the best Prurient album since '08 or '09, before he went off the deep end

I ordered this from Barnes and Noble, was totally expensive but I think it'll be worth it

Raymond Cummings, Friday, 1 March 2013 04:59 (3 months ago) Permalink

Tiger Smells A Corpse is incredible

C: (crüt), Friday, 8 March 2013 18:17 (3 months ago) Permalink

is there something up w/the spotify versh

слабоумие и отвага (cozen), Friday, 8 March 2013 18:42 (3 months ago) Permalink

this is how i remember prurient back in the day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLlSnjs-rl0

Ward Fowler, Friday, 8 March 2013 22:05 (3 months ago) Permalink

I really like the minimal synths he does on Bermuda Drain. I can just about put up with the screaming. On the Palm Tree Corpse tune it's fucking incredibly awesome.

kraudive, Saturday, 9 March 2013 01:01 (3 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

so many future vatican shadow track titles floating around right now

max, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 15:32 (1 month ago) Permalink

i cant read an article about the boston bombers without picking out phrases for vs tapes

max, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 15:32 (1 month ago) Permalink

chechnya's ghosts loom large in death of former santa

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 08:07 (3 months ago)

Toxicara Delevingne (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 23 April 2013 16:17 (1 month ago) Permalink

i checked out the new prurient project but it just wasn't as enjoyable as vs

Mordy, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 22:39 (1 month ago) Permalink

can't get into prurient

love's secret borad (clouds), Tuesday, 23 April 2013 23:51 (1 month ago) Permalink

more like purr-ient

flopson, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 00:39 (1 month ago) Permalink

new prurient great ebm

Dr. Adorbius (mh), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 01:34 (1 month ago) Permalink


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