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things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 02:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

is there any interview or other material justifying/explaining the ~war on terror~ paratext

it seemed a bit gauche before i actually heard his music but having done so, it seems quite apt, a gnostic half-world of sub rosa violence and all that muslimgauzy hauntology ish

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 03:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

He gets the most fuckawful sales patter on boomkat but yeah this guy was strong in 2012. The best tracks are weirdly still and peaceful, sort of uncomfortably relaxing.

oppet, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 05:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

this is super boomkat yeah

uncomfortably relaxing = unhomely

CAIRO IS A HAUNTED CITY

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 05:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

Ah yes I knew there was a proper word for it.

Surely it is not beyond the capabilities of today's noize memeists to make a Vatican shadow track titles generator to keep us entertained at Christmas.

oppet, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 05:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

half of them are just random snippets of aljazeera articles so i don't think that would be too hard

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 05:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

i was looking for a youtube of 'final victory -- christ became man and had truly assumed human nature' to post for seasonal effect

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 05:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

The sniper was wearing a knitted snowman jumper.

oppet, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 05:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

there it is

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 05:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

chechnya's ghosts loom large in death of former santa

lex pretend, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 08:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

Read a bit comparing his music/image to Muslimgauze, with the difference that the Vatican Shadow track titles/image are not really indicative of any actual stance, just a reappropriation of dark/militant image.

I can't tell if some of the things he's done/said as an artist are really po-faced or just meant to give that impression. Slippery slope, really.

http://boomkat.com/collections/dominick-fernow-vatican-shadow-2012-chart

mh, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 22:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

DF is kinda like that. the military references are no different than the bondage/drug references in Prurient stuff really.

crüt, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 22:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

that is what is intriguing, the dispassionate agglomeration of middle east 'war' 'terror' signifiers but no obvious political stance

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 22:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah agreed crut

this sort of abstract music can be laden quite heavily with extratextual associations to augment the desolate/unsettling atmospherics, which can come off as pretty cheap or glib but i don't really get that here

is there any prurient stuff that is worth hearing? i had an lp before but it didn't leave too great an impression, clearly

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 22:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

are you saying he isn't into bondage/drugs? my heart is broken.

mh, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 22:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

if you can get past the ridiculous words in the yelling, I like the Prurient album

mh, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 22:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

dude is probably into bondage/drugs. and violence and war.

crüt, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 22:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

(or at least he wants people to think that)

crüt, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 22:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

academically

mh, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 22:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

what is his okcupid url

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 22:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

I quite liked the Prurient album from last year, but, this:

I can't tell if some of the things he's done/said as an artist are really po-faced or just meant to give that impression. Slippery slope, really.

This is SUCH a pet peeve of mine, and to me, it's rampant in his work. In general I really resent the tendency in noise/industrial/whatever that you have to have titles/concepts/whatever that match sonics in terms of darkness, to the point of becoming a dick measuring contest about how morbid you can come across. If the music is dark then it's dark; how insecure are you that you need to thrown in references to Chechnyan children for it to make sense?

formerly EDB (ed.b), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 22:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

xp actually there are pictures of his old okcupid page on noize board somewhere, along with color commentary about him being a pedo

mh, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 22:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

save the babies

Tome Cruise (Matt P), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 22:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

ha i hadnt heard that mh

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 22:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

Cairo is a haunted city is great but I do wonder what this guys deal is

I am using your worlds, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 22:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

In general I really resent the tendency in noise/industrial/whatever that you have to have titles/concepts/whatever that match sonics in terms of darkness, to the point of becoming a dick measuring contest about how morbid you can come across.

haha I love this kinda shit tbrr

crüt, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 23:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

I vacillate between "really, are you fucking kidding me" and "yesssssss"

mh, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 23:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

the former leads to the latter tbh

only vatican shadow does it to this extent though, right?

i've only heard two albums by him, the two released this year; i fell in love w/ghosts of chechnya immediately but didn't like ornamented walls at all - i think i might like him better in his techno guise

"snipers..." is so fucking gorgeous

lex pretend, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 23:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

Which of his releases are the most techno?

I am using your worlds, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 23:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

ghosts of chechnya as far as i know

lex pretend, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 23:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

Thanks

I am using your worlds, Tuesday, 25 December 2012 23:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

Read a bit comparing his music/image to Muslimgauze

he says he started making Vatican Shadow tracks because... he wanted more Muslimgauze albums to listen to.

2am chopped top (brimstead), Tuesday, 25 December 2012 23:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

what else sounds like vatican shadow

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 00:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

http://www.factmag.com/2012/04/01/prurient-and-still-wanting/

The tapes you released in 2009 as Vatican Shadow – Kneel Before Religious Icons and Byzantine Private CIA – sound to me like precursors to Bermuda Drain, in the sense that they’re rhythm-led, atmospheric and decisively electronic pieces. Is it fair to say that that what you’ve learned from that project has fed into the way you do things as Prurient?

“Well, in some ways it has and in some ways it hasn’t. Quite simply, Vatican Shadow was the first time that I was experimenting with making beats, and in that sense it did lay some groundwork for Bermuda Drain. I love certain sides of Muslimgauze records, and I kind of ran out of that sort of music to listen to, so that’s partly why Vatican came about…I mean, a lot of what motivates me in general is that when I can’t find something I want, I try to create it, to satisfy that need. And in many ways that’s what Bermuda Drain is too – I’m looking for this thing and I can’t quite find it so I think, ok, so I’ll make it myself.

“You could also say that Vatican is the total opposite and antithesis of Bermuda Drain, because it doesn’t address the personal world thematically. It’s really more about headlines…I like to describe it as being like a spy game, an espionage board game where you don’t know who’s winning or what side you’re on. I think that’s fair. I like the idea that there are multiple events happening simultaneously, and they may be unrelated, but somehow they’re creating a larger picture. I like the idea of things working behind the scenes, particularly in a sinister way. Even the name Vatican Shadow, and all the song titles, are based around this idea of fear and mistrust and…”

Conspiracy?

“I mean, it’s linked to conspiracy, but I actually have no real interest in that and am not advocating any of those theories. I find [conspiracy] interesting as a symbol for collapse, a total lack of trust, a total global failure – I think that’s what’s interesting. I have no agenda. I like the atmosphere of degeneration and fear that Vatican conjures. It’s very poetic. When you read the news and see these headlines sometimes you just think you’re reading poetry. They’re so absurd.” [laughs]

crüt, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 00:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

There was an error parsing the BBcode in your post:
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crüt, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 00:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

he is a pedophile
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mh, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 00:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

that's prurient amirite

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 00:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

So many Vatican Shadow options this year but this one was my favorite:

River of Ectoplasm (Cass, Ltd, C120)
A1 Had 'Em Throwin' a Party for a Bunch of Children
A2 While All of the While the Slime Was Under the Building
A3 Grabbed the Proton packs off the Back and They Split
B1 The Bones Over the Door Rattled as Venkman Entered the Shop
B2 Dana Walked Down the Street with Venkman Retracing the Path of the Runaway Buggy
B3 The Improved Ectomobile Roared Out onto the Street
B4 Its Ghostly Siren Moaning and Wailing

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Andy K, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 00:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

some of the Christian Cosmos stuff is really dope

crüt, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 00:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

i want to post one of this dude's press shots in lonely guys thinking baout things

i'm certain that most of the people depicted in that thread are thinking 'would it matter if vatican shadow just released untitled albums in plain covers'

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 01:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

Beats aside there isn't actually that much difference between Vatican Shadow and someone like Burial, except there's a chasm of difference between calling your track 'In McDonalds' and calling it 'Chechnya's Ghosts Loom Large In Death Of Former Spy' when the musical differences are microscopic.

Of course Vatican Shadow himself knows this and he knows full well that this extremely broadsheet-friendly music is going to listened to by people who are at the same time reading accounts of all manner of atrocities. It's an album that's good to read to, it's an album that works strangely well on a Sunday afternoon. It's excellent background music, there's not much going on after a couple of bars.

The music SOUNDS fucking amazing, by the way.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 02:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

i don't think it is narcissism of small differences to suggest that burial does not sound that much like vatican shadow

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 02:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

Vatican Shadow (dark techno / broadsheet techno)

Burial (dubstep / blood and soil electro)

Objective NON correlation, granular analysis PROVES differentiated soundtype arrays

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 03:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

I dunno, the beats are totally different but the sonically they're not very far apart - it doesn't have to be Burial though, the basic point can apply to any producer of grim-sounding abstract music.

Like I get the sense that this is record (not listened to the others) is actually meant to represent the unease of reading about atrocities rather than the experience of them. And he knows his audience and he's well aware of all this.

Then again it is late on Christmas Day and I am drunk but I still think this is one of the best records of this year.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 03:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

i think it's cyberpunk adorno music

Mordy, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 03:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

how could we rebrand vatican shadow

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 03:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

there are about a trillion releases so if one were so inclined to carefully repackage one of them and send press releases etc, how could it be presented

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 26 December 2012 03:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

Mordy, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 03:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

an NRO contributor greatly concerned w/rise of Islamism plays techno

Mordy, Wednesday, 26 December 2012 03:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

i checked out the new prurient project but it just wasn't as enjoyable as vs

Mordy, Tuesday, 23 April 2013 22:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

can't get into prurient

love's secret borad (clouds), Tuesday, 23 April 2013 23:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

more like purr-ient

flopson, Wednesday, 24 April 2013 00:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

new prurient great ebm

Dr. Adorbius (mh), Wednesday, 24 April 2013 01:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

Caught this guy's live show last night, it was sonically amazing but really uncomfortable to view, particularly when he was raving and gurning in front of a projection of images of dead soldiers and 9/11 headlines - it felt exploitative. Do I just not get this guy's politics? It was provocative and stirring but it felt a bit cheap and ruined any pleasure from the music itself.

boxedjoy, Thursday, 4 July 2013 12:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

I saw him live at Sonar and he actually got a bit of dancefloor action going. There weren't any visuals. I don't know if he was doing something a bit different because it was a dance music festival

paolo, Friday, 5 July 2013 07:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

There was lots of dancing when I saw him! It kinda added to the discomfort I was feeling. Like, the point he was making about de-sensitisation to war imagery and violence fell flat when people were bouncing about and fist-pumping and generally being... de-sensitised. And when it doesn't work all that's left is folk partying alongside images of war casualties and 9/11 headlines.

I'm sure it's just something I don't understand rather than anything intentionally exploitative.

boxedjoy, Friday, 5 July 2013 08:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

i think his politics involve the intentional exploitation (or at least decontextualization) of sensational politics - in some sense i think he's fascistic (tho w/ more of a nihilistic ends than a political one): 'Mankind, which was in the age of Homer an object of contemplation for the Olympian gods, has now become one for itself. Its self-alienation has reached such a degree that it can experience its own destruction as an aesthetic pleasure of the first order. This is how it stands with the aestheticization of politics that Fascism pursues. Communism responds by politicizing art.' -- he's aestheticizing politics, not politicizing art imho.

Mordy , Friday, 5 July 2013 13:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

There was lots of dancing when I saw him! It kinda added to the discomfort I was feeling. Like, the point he was making about de-sensitisation to war imagery and violence fell flat when people were bouncing about and fist-pumping and generally being... de-sensitised. And when it doesn't work all that's left is folk partying alongside images of war casualties and 9/11 headlines.

― boxedjoy, Friday, 5 July 2013 09:58 (4 hours ago)

lol

Jean-Bertrand Aristide (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Friday, 5 July 2013 13:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

well sick drop on emir of checjnya despatches emissaries to the caliph there m8s

Jean-Bertrand Aristide (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Friday, 5 July 2013 13:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

Anybody listening to Rainforest Spiritual Enslavement? I got the new one on Bed of Nails since VS's Bed of Nails release was my favourite of theirs. Boomkat described it as sounding like Porter Ricks which is a bit of an exaggeration. Pleasant enough background music but I was hoping for more.

Project Witch (I am using your worlds), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 16:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

01. Circumstances Quickly Became Questioned
02. Tonight Saddam Walks Amidst Ruins
03. Muscle Hijacker Tribal Affiliation
04. Contractor Corpses Hung Over The Euphrates River
05. Enter Paradise
06. Remember Your Black Day
07. Not The Son Of Desert Storm, But The Child Of Chechnya
08. Jet Fumes Above The Reflecting Pool

it's on spotify - i like it a lot

Mordy , Tuesday, 22 October 2013 14:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

esp liked the prayer/chanting on track #7

Mordy , Tuesday, 22 October 2013 14:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

i like how the only leftfield electronic shit you seem to like is the dude with the middle east geopolitics fetish

Maggishos soyfriend. Wins. (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 22 October 2013 14:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

i like basinski too

Mordy , Tuesday, 22 October 2013 14:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

ur not wrong tho

Mordy , Tuesday, 22 October 2013 14:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

i love how william basinski looks complete unlike you would expect a producer of maudlin ambient music to look

http://www.villavillanola.com/suoni/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/william_basinski-par-Thimothy-White-290x300.jpg

Maggishos soyfriend. Wins. (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 22 October 2013 14:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

Might as well have called it "A Tribute to Muslimgauze" with those titles.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 14:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

he is nothing like muslimgauze politically

Maggishos soyfriend. Wins. (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 22 October 2013 14:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

Thankfully, I think nobody is or was.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 14:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

this digression reminds of the mille plateaux record from 2002 called 'walking in jerusalem' by random inc which consists of samples recorded in.....well you can write the rest

Maggishos soyfriend. Wins. (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 22 October 2013 14:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

does Fernow have an actual politics beyond transgressive bro being transgressive?

I'm a big fan of Basinkski's 'third place in a Limahl lookalike contest' thing too.

Merdeyeux, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 14:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

i tried to get into muslimgauze but it was too hezbollahgauze for me

Mordy , Tuesday, 22 October 2013 14:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

his whole thing is paratext abstracted from the context that begot it, see the 'exploring jezebel' discogs page

i applaud him

Maggishos soyfriend. Wins. (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 22 October 2013 14:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

backstage at the manchester evening news arena with william basinski

Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 14:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

he's turning into this guy:

http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/_/62381921/Nightcrawlers+Push+The+Feeling+On.png

gotta lol geir (NickB), Tuesday, 22 October 2013 14:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

is the exploring jezebel stuff intentionally silly?

the Shearer of simulated snowsex etc. (Dwight Yorke), Tuesday, 22 October 2013 14:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

it's a paratext of the noise music abstracted from its context

Spectrum, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 15:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

read "hezbollahgauze" as "hezbollahgaze" and was like, nicely done.

adam, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 15:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

plz give me credit for whatever seems better thx

Mordy , Tuesday, 22 October 2013 15:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'd be down for some hezbollahgaze

Spectrum, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 15:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

idk if bryn jones supported terrorism outright

clouds, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 15:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

anyway "contractor corpses" sounds like 1994-era autechre

clouds, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 15:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

personally i think this music sounds like shit, but what makes it good is the paratext abstracted from its context. that's some pretty good stuff.

Spectrum, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 15:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

nothing stanton in the way of you making your own cool paratext abstracted from context islamodrone records, burt i guess you have better things to do

Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Tuesday, 22 October 2013 15:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

fyi my ouvre on ilx is a similarly themed middle east fetishism paratextual art project but in the medium of 'message board textual aesthetics' as opposed to leftfield electronica.

Mordy , Tuesday, 22 October 2013 15:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

true

Snipers as a breed tend to be supercilious (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 22 October 2013 16:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

http://soundinjections.tumblr.com/post/35349961955/vatican-shadow

Mordy , Saturday, 18 January 2014 23:56 (10 months ago) Permalink

^^that's v good, i need to hear more tbh

lovely cuddly fluffy dope (imago), Sunday, 19 January 2014 00:47 (10 months ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

Vatican Shadow ‎– Death Is Unity With God

Tracklist
Fireball
A1 Al Qaeda (Branch Davidian)
B1 Desert Storm (Waco)
B2 It's To Come
Enduring Mysteries
C1 ATF Sinful Messiah
D1 FBI God
D2 Koresh Babylon
Easing Of Our Task
E1 Fort Hood Again
E2 Koresh Lamb
E3 Machine-Gunning Of The Davidians
F1 Texarkana Resistance
Oklahoma Military Academy
G1 Theology Is Life And Death (Pakistan)
G2 Descended On Guayanilla (CNN)
H1 Arms Of Yahweh
H2 Manufactured Silencers Under Direct Orders
Elohim City
I1 Living On And Off At The Shadow Motel
I2 Small Explosives And Blasting Caps
I3 Inside The Pages Of A Phonebook
J McVeigh Figures
April Silencer
K1 Shadows On The Courthouse Wall
L1 Waco Postmortem (Murrah)

Notes
Edition of 100.
Comes with seven 8" x 8" collages

Mordy, Tuesday, 10 June 2014 04:41 (5 months ago) Permalink

Elohim City

clouds, Wednesday, 11 June 2014 16:32 (5 months ago) Permalink

sampling what's available on youtube. seems like everything i've heard so far barely rises above a (menacing) whisper.

Daniel, Esq 2, Wednesday, 11 June 2014 16:41 (5 months ago) Permalink

My first thought was that's an old Danse Society logo. I am an old goth.

Daniwa, guys! Daniwa! (aldo), Wednesday, 11 June 2014 17:10 (5 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

free show @ urban outfitters!

the late great, Thursday, 17 July 2014 05:24 (4 months ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

Ahhh this one’s a real peach. Veering far from what we expected, ‘Games Have Rules’ is a brilliant late night excursion made in the spirit of classic Artificial Intelligence albums, instantly reminding us of that killer first Reaganz (Move D & Jonah Sharp) album from ’94 with it’s atmospheric soundscaping and nods to John Carpenter.

the final twilight of all evaluative standpoints (nakhchivan), Saturday, 4 October 2014 22:48 (1 month ago) Permalink

i like this more than i thought i would going on that description

the final twilight of all evaluative standpoints (nakhchivan), Saturday, 4 October 2014 22:51 (1 month ago) Permalink

lol yes, this sounds amazing so far

Mordy, Saturday, 4 October 2014 22:52 (1 month ago) Permalink

this guy has somehow turned into one of my favorite artists. this is elegiac + beautiful.

Mordy, Saturday, 4 October 2014 22:53 (1 month ago) Permalink

fyi my ouvre on ilx is a similarly themed middle east fetishism paratextual art project but in the medium of 'message board textual aesthetics' as opposed to leftfield electronica.

― Mordy , Tuesday, 22 October 2013 16:53 (11 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

the final twilight of all evaluative standpoints (nakhchivan), Saturday, 4 October 2014 22:56 (1 month ago) Permalink


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