"Should we be suspicious of hipsters’ newfound love of R&B?" or "Race and indie music, part 4762"

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::sees "R&B" article with picture of Azealia Banks at the top, closes window::

some dude, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 19:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

someone heard lex:

There’s a lot to be said about hipsters’ “suspicious” newfound love for R&B. One aspect that concerns me is the implicitly racist conceit that suggests that R&B only becomes compelling when it takes on an indie-rock aesthetic (a form clearly dominated by whites, though not exclusively). That is to say, for some, contemporary R&B becomes worthy of attention only when it sounds self-consciously artsy, experimental, inwardly focused (“looking for myself”), psychedelic, or trippy, often drained of mirth. Given R&B’s long, rich, and diverse stylistic history, this “progressive R&B” supposition is in many ways a racial perversion of the form itself.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 19:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

"There’s a lot to be said about hipsters’ “suspicious” newfound love for R&B"

thanks for trying, play again.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 20:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

i think this whole article is totally asinine but i just wanted to see some of the bigger ILM guns trained at it. so take it away...

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 20:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm exhausted, man *cues Jeremih playlist*

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 20:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

x-post--So you're with Will Hermes' response in that Slate.com discussion:

Why should the “blog-approved” success of Ocean and Miguel make us suspicious? Because it appears tokenistic? Shouldn’t the good stuff fire up as many imaginations/libidos as possible, especially those who don’t usually respond to mainstream R&B? I admit I’m frequently bored by its loverman clichés, soapy drama, and bottle-service grooves. But Channel Orange and Kaleidoscope Dream, both of which I adored, made me listen harder and dig deeper into the genre this year. I can only applaud if they do the same for others. Otherwise, it’s like the reverse of indie fans who get all sniffy when their favorites play Madison Square Garden.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 20:18 (1 year ago) Permalink

how does one learn to groove so that one gets bottle service

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 20:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

indie or experimental R&B is officially the most overstated music trend of 2012, huh?

Evan R, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 20:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

With its emphasis on melancholic confessionalism and interior concerns, so-called “progressive” R&B (far more so than most mainstream club-oriented R&B) delivered authentic blues feeling to a post-affluent culture suffering from collective disillusionment.

this is one of the false binaries (of many) that annoys me the most. if you look at Billboard's top R&B songs of the year, the biggest R&B songs were generally not very clubby, with a few exceptions (and fewer than usual):

http://www.billboard.com/charts-year-end#/charts-year-end/hot-r-b-hip-hop-songs?year=2012

some dude, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 20:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

I find almost every suggestion in these articles offensive: the implication that R&B is only just now experimenting, as if it's never been a forward-looking genre; the idea that "indie R&B" is pervasive trend when really there were only two albums that (very loosely) fit that bill that people heard or paid attention to; that suggestion that listeners have taken to two undeniably excellent albums only out of a sense of tokenism, etc, etc. It's all just horrible.

Evan R, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 20:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

and Al is totally on the money. Critics are really misrepresenting contemporary R&B by making these acts seem like bigger outliers than they actually are

Evan R, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 20:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah i just said this on twitter but the annoying thing about "R&B was exciting THIS YEAR" is what it implies about last year and the year before (and how it lets people off the hook to move on next year) xp

some dude, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 20:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

xp Even the Miguel album, which sounds so awesome and distinct, had a lot of precedent in sounds that were playing on contemporary radio. It's not THAT big of a break or anything, he just too some in-vogue styles and stretched them into some really cool directions

Evan R, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 20:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

the fact that Frank Ocean and The Weeknd (and also Kendrick) have been dominating urban radio for the last few months of the year, well after the acclaim, suggests that the critical accolades are helping them on a commercial level, so there's a whole chicken/egg thing

some dude, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 20:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

in that sense Miguel's unique because he blanketed the airwaves for a while before the critics came around

some dude, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 20:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

also because his first album was better anyway

*grabs coat*

k3vin k., Tuesday, 18 December 2012 20:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

haha @ at this comment:

Listening to certain people talk about "hipsters" is about as enlightening as listening to the people who accuse Obama of being a socialist.

Frank Ocean was successful this year because LOTS of people bought his record, not because some vague, nebulous pseudo-demographic bought it.

It's okay, you're old, I get it. So am I. But I'd like to point out it's just that much more pathetic when old people like us try to put our finger on the "disillusioned zeitgeist" as if we have any clue what the h@ll that even is anymore.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 20:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

didn't we have this whole discussion on Janelle Monae a while ago and how horrible it was that she had so many white fans? is it not okay to dislike R&B in general but like some of the outliers?

frogbs, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 20:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

as long as you don't get a Slate piece.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 20:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

surprised to see this wasn't written by lex tbh

If I was a carpenter, and you were a douchebag (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 20:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

well apart from the love for Mars Volta lol

If I was a carpenter, and you were a douchebag (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 20:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

a racial perversion of the form itself

Bad luck Sly Stone and Prince. "Self-consciously artsy, experimental, inwardly focused (“looking for myself”), psychedelic, or trippy" makes you indie-rock.

Deafening silence (DL), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 21:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

guess this music isn't black enough for my white hipster ass, guess i'll have to go and listen to the steve harvey morning show to get the real goods

Spectrum, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 21:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

Bad luck Sly Stone and Prince.

see also Marvin Gaye, the Temptations, D'Angelo, Erykah Badu, Missy Elliot, P-Funk, etc etc

If I was a carpenter, and you were a douchebag (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 21:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

also stevie wonder which is the real groove channel orange is riding on

anyway whatever @ this article, but the will hermes paragraph is super terrible

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 21:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

a wellknowncritic and former spineditor got really pissed at this article on my facebook. i didn't think it was that bad. and actually pretty comprehensive as far as why we like frank ocean articles go:

http://www.spin.com/articles/trend-of-the-year-alt-rb-2012-frank-ocean-weeknd-miguel?page=0

scott seward, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 21:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

any article that describes Santigold as alt-RnB is by definition terrible and embarrassing

Jesus, the Total Douchebag (DJP), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 21:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

and also unconsciously racist

Jesus, the Total Douchebag (DJP), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 21:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

Self-consciously artsy, experimental, inwardly focused (“looking for myself”), psychedelic, or trippy

poor Lauryn Hill :(

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 21:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

This is from a Grantland piece on songs of the year. Some of its misassumptions underscore a point Al made up-thread:

The song was released on February 22, peaking at no. 17 on the Billboard Top 100 but no. 1 in my heart. Usher sings in falsetto (which is fairly uncommon for him) over a Diplo-produced beat, and it only takes about 30 seconds to understand why this song was not more commercially successful. It has none of the David Guetta, dance-music influence that suffused "OMG" and "Without You," nor is it a derivative of the Dr. Luke and Max Martin Swedish School of Music (which I like, too!) that dominates the Top 40. Rather, it's more akin to Usher's R&B songs, like "There Goes My Baby" and "Moving Mountains" — two songs that also failed to crack the Top 10. "Climax" sounds like the song that the fictional Usher of my mind should be singing: It's the perfect song for the singer who has transitioned from teenager known for literally dropping his pants while performing to world-famous pop star who wants to remind everyone of how talented he remains. If my Spotify plays count for anything, I have no doubt that "Climax" would be competing with "Call Me Maybe" and "Gangnam Style" for the song of the year title.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8749345/from-frank-ocean-fiona-apple-grantland-staff-looks-back-most-notable-tracks-2012

Evan R, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 21:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

inwardly focused (“looking for myself”),

does Rihanna qualify here?

If I was a carpenter, and you were a douchebag (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 21:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

he Dr. Luke and Max Martin Swedish School of Music (which I like, too!

he likes it! Send the hounds!

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 21:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

from the introduction:

finally the R&B singers were taking acid

I mean...? wau

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 21:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

go chambers brothers!

Andrew WKRP (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 22:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 22:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

so glad someone finally gave that guy some acid

If I was a carpenter, and you were a douchebag (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 22:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

should we be suspicious of hipsters writing about r&b...

scott seward, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 22:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

I am suspicious of hipsters who have never done acid

If I was a carpenter, and you were a douchebag (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 22:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

mars volta 2012

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 22:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

on another note i'm sick of seeing this contrived interpretation of "call me maybe" as an ode to the simpler times when we spoke to each other and used phones

teledyldonix, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 22:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

Okay so FWIW Jason King, who wrote the original post, just posted this in a FB comment chain in response to it:

I think Channel Orange and Kaleidoscope Dreams are to differing degrees solid musical statements. I also think there's a lot of other records this year that deserve as much or more attention but aren't getting it for reasons that are worth considering. My interest, with this post, at least was the return the conversation on music in 2012 in an explicit way to issues of identity. You can't really talk about the resurgent interest in R&B this year without talking about race, not to mention gender and class, etc. Birgitta - other than Kem's Xmas album, I don't think any of those artists had a new release this year...and the word count for these entries is very limited. While I think R&B is a very diverse and flexible category that doesn't need policing, with more space I certainly would have mentioned Keyshia Cole, Monica, Eric Benet and others that I thought put out solid albums. Joseph - I think Frank Ocean has come out without having to shoehorn himself into the traditional narrative of the closet (i.e. the you're either in or out dichotomy) and that may be more valuable in the long run. I don't think he is or wants to be a role model for any particular community.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 22:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

Keyshia Cole, Monica, Eric Benet are very interesting picks to rep for. Dude either really listens to a TON of R&B, or he has absolutely no idea what the fuck he's talking about

Evan R, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 22:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

Given what a turd the Monica album was, I'm tempted to take the more cynical read

Evan R, Tuesday, 18 December 2012 22:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

so if a black artist make "Self-consciously artsy, experimental, inwardly focused (“looking for myself”), psychedelic, or trippy", is he unconsciously racist?

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 06:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

haha, wait, are we calling Jason King a racist now or am I misreading? cause if so, I have some news to break to you.

Rolling "2 chainz" draadje (The Reverend), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 07:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

I heard Miguel's "Do You" for the first time yesterday, and for about half the song I assumed it was an indie band like JJ. Song is very similar in vibe to their track 'Ecstasy' - itself a riff on a Lil Wayne song.

I don't think there has to be anything inherently racist about this development unless you want it to be. It's a dialogue that's opened - Frank Ocean and the Weeknd appropriating 'chillwavey' sounds, indie acts appropriating r'n'b. These exchanges have and always will exist. Call it cultural appropriation if you will - cultural appropriation isn't always a bad thing, and I don't really see how it's all that different from how pop r'n'b and hiphop have moved towards trance and house sounds in recent years.

Being suspicious of "white people making black music" and vice versa is the dumbest thing ever, obviously. I'm just more concerned about everything turning into a big boring mush of a middle ground where all the tropes of either genre are in place without any of the bits that makes them interesting. Fusing indie and r'n'b sounds was maybe an interesting new thing when I first noticed it as a "thing" in 2009, but willowy Brooklyn girls in corduroy skirts doing their best to melismate their way out of their own meekness while sensitive LA boys who call themselves "singer-songwriters" put cassette rewinding noises and Coldplay samples over their own homebrewed confessionals - I'm not sure if this is a route that is leading anywhere exciting, at least not yet. Rather than getting affronted by a perceived race issue, or the bastardisation of one's favourite genre, people should be more concerned about whether these artists will manage break free of tokenism and derivativeness, whether something clearly unique will come out of this that doesn't appear to treat said generic tropes as a crutch or USP.

Overall, I can see this leading towards some really interesting stuff. There's something significant about this current battening down of tribal boundaries between supposed "white" indie music and "black" r'n'b - territories which have been marked out for too long IMO. So long as people aren't just doing the equivalent of wearing a Slayer t-shirt for the "rock-chic look", this could get more interesting. As it is, indie and r'n'b have finished making eyes at each other, they've started talking, but they've yet to reach first base.

besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 10:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

Argh my eyes make it stop.

Tim F, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 10:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

Bad luck Sly Stone and Prince. "Self-consciously artsy, experimental, inwardly focused (“looking for myself”), psychedelic, or trippy" makes you indie-rock.

otm. this describes gigantic swathes of the greatest music of all time.

Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 10:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

^

besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 10:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

Such fascinating and enlightening thoughts in response

lex pretend, Thursday, 27 December 2012 16:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

im not getting involved in the argument either way just sayin

D-40, Thursday, 27 December 2012 16:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

hey i said it was a legit concept, has usefulness, etc.

fanute me or shoot me (some dude), Thursday, 27 December 2012 17:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yeah, that's a great post, although the Trey Songz comment just make me think of:

I just had a mildly horrifying thought re: phrasing - Can you imagine how much less affecting these songs would be if instead of FO, it was my stronger-voiced mans Trey going all vibrato-monster on them?

― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Saturday, 29 September 2012 18:56 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Rolling "2 chainz" draadje (The Reverend), Friday, 28 December 2012 15:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol yeah i'm no FrankOphile but it's definitely nutty to say Trey Songz made a better album and/or could better serve FO's material.

Trey is increasingly interesting to me in that he's got a good combination of talent/taste/popularity/work ethic, isn't making dance pop moves, and is semi-consistent as a singles artist, but he'll never make a great album and in years like this year all his success seems very hollow and irrelevant.

fanute me or shoot me (some dude), Friday, 28 December 2012 15:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

"FrankOphile"!

Rolling "2 chainz" draadje (The Reverend), Friday, 28 December 2012 15:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

I kinda find Trey interesting in that he's somehow become the default center of r&b as a genre that everything else exists merely in relation to.

Rolling "2 chainz" draadje (The Reverend), Friday, 28 December 2012 15:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

for better or worse, obv

Rolling "2 chainz" draadje (The Reverend), Friday, 28 December 2012 15:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

myers talking some goddamn sense. she was good in halloween too

r|t|c, Friday, 28 December 2012 16:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

fanute me or shoot me (some dude), Friday, 28 December 2012 16:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

hey remember king? did they go on to do anything

http://www.kanyetothe.com/forum/index.php?topic=176613.0

it burns when 1p3 (goole), Friday, 28 December 2012 22:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think I asked them what they were up to on twitter once and they never replied.

Rolling "2 chainz" draadje (The Reverend), Friday, 28 December 2012 22:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

on the album

r|t|c, Friday, 28 December 2012 23:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

I've been meaning to get around to that record all year :/

Rolling "2 chainz" draadje (The Reverend), Friday, 28 December 2012 23:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

is good

small-scale fux with (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Friday, 28 December 2012 23:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

That Myers bit = one of the most sensible things I've read about all this so far

besides Sunny Real Estate (dog latin), Sunday, 30 December 2012 11:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anybody driving faster is a maniac? – George Carlin

^^^^ I always think of this when I see "hipster" threads now

Darin, Sunday, 30 December 2012 17:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

ha otm

PliesStripAThon5Jan20th@gmail.com (some dude), Sunday, 30 December 2012 17:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

anyone cooler than you is a hipster, anyone less cool is a square, makes sense

Rolling "2 chainz" draadje (The Reverend), Sunday, 30 December 2012 20:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

http://www.factmag.com/2013/03/04/vandross-prince-dangelo-theyre-saints-to-us-inc-talk-debut-album-no-world-and-stripping-the-blackness-out-of-rb/

You'd think the bros in The Inc. would know how to navigate these waters more delicately, but no, everything they say in this interview is a disaster

Evan R, Monday, 4 March 2013 19:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

Do you think the term alt-R&B is actually a way of taking the blackness out of R&B?

AA: “Yeah, it’s just taking the struggle out. I mean, there’s been all kinds of struggle – there’s black struggle, there’s been some white struggle, there’s been struggle around the world, and when we make these, you know, tags… that’s struggle’s real, and we don’t want to keep perpetuating it. We’re not here to just jump in the ring.”

DA: “I think you’re right about taking the blackness out of it, and that’s the worst part about calling music that name. We make black music, you know, we’re not trying to say that we’re making something else. We’ve always been touched by that music and that’s what’s gotten us out of some places, that’s what’s liberated us and healed us. We’re making music for that same reason – we’re not making it to be played in a coffee shop where everyone’s all happy, this is not for that.”

AA: “We’ve never even said that we are R&B. We’re just making our music. R&B is pretty much dead, rock and roll is dead – the only thing that’s left from this stuff is spirit. So that’s how we see it, it’s like a spirit, and when we need to get in our zone we put on Reverend James Moore. They’re all like saints to us – Luther Vandross is like a saint, and Prince and D’Angelo.

“And then on the other side, the poetry side, I look at people like Billy Corgan and that white energy is powerful too.

Evan R, Monday, 4 March 2013 19:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

And then on the other side, the poetry side, I look at people like Billy Corgan and that white energy is powerful too.

omg

C: (crüt), Monday, 4 March 2013 19:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

You'd think the bros in The Inc. would know how to navigate these waters more delicately

lol why would you think this

their album is just so so so bad

lex pretend, Monday, 4 March 2013 19:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

the one based around the dodgy gulf war metaphor is probably the nadir

lex pretend, Monday, 4 March 2013 19:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

r|t|c, Monday, 4 March 2013 20:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

the white side, the poetry side, the corgan side

Tim F, Monday, 4 March 2013 20:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

you'd really think they'd be on some blues hammer tip after all that and not just vapid simpering neutered twaddle like a sad can of flat coke zero half-heartedly handed to an anorexic model slipping into a fatal coma

r|t|c, Monday, 4 March 2013 20:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

vapid AND simpering

flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, 4 March 2013 20:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

alt-r&b could kinda work as gulf war qua baudrillard/virilio come 2 think of it

young lamp n plax all feeling numb playing desert strike

r|t|c, Monday, 4 March 2013 20:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

CORGAN'S WHITE POWER MAJIK

scott seward, Monday, 4 March 2013 20:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

anything can work if its done well.

scott seward, Monday, 4 March 2013 20:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

The return of the Bald White Dude
Making sure whites groove

Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 March 2013 20:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

the album is actually pretty pleasant is the thing, in the most frightfully enervated way

matt and luke goss form spacek covers band was how i correctly basically broke it down to an extent iirc

r|t|c, Monday, 4 March 2013 20:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

And then on the other side, the poetry side, I look at people like Billy Corgan and that white energy is powerful too.

omg

― C: (crüt), Monday, March 4, 2013 1:47 PM (58 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

literally had to rub my eyes and roll back away from the screen

goole, Monday, 4 March 2013 20:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

so speechless at that part (the whole thing)

Harlem vs Alabama (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 4 March 2013 20:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

I spend all my time doing things that may be a bit tangential, but I think I'm going to go back to the core, the white music. Billy Corgan.

Shuwopley (some dude), Monday, 4 March 2013 20:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

scott seward, Monday, 4 March 2013 20:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

lol xp

C: (crüt), Monday, 4 March 2013 20:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

i have to say it but saying "Billy Corgan and that white energy is powerful" is the only thing with a kernel of insight in the whole interview, the rest is incoherent if not contradictory

goole, Monday, 4 March 2013 21:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

what clowns

kendrick delmar - good kid, f.U.C.k. you (The Reverend), Monday, 4 March 2013 21:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

i wdn't say "insight", i'd maybe go so far as "makes grammatical sense"

a phenomenological description of The Eagles (Noodle Vague), Monday, 4 March 2013 21:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

AA: “When Voodoo came out, if you read the reviews, people were like, ‘he’s mumbling’! You know, a good example is Terence Malick, the filmmaker. His movies to us are like divine breaths on film, but a lot of people really struggle with the lack of dialogue. Or Nirvana, that’s a great example – if you read the lyrics to ‘Smells Like Teen Spirit’ it’s like, what did he say? None of the teenagers knew what the hell he was saying – it’s ultimately a feeling.

“But the lyrics are really fundamental.

goole, Monday, 4 March 2013 21:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

Wow. These guys aren't the smartest are they? And that track on the link sounds like a first demo for something someone might be thinking of finishing off one day when they can be bothered.

dog latin, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 00:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'll stick with the last Britney album. my kinda nu-r&b.

scott seward, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 00:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

"Music today is tribal – not tribal as in an aesthetic, but like we’re all part of a tribe. "

etc, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 04:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

whole interview reads like an onion article

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 04:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

otm

kendrick delmar - good kid, f.U.C.k. you (The Reverend), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 04:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

White power is energetic too

dat neggy nilmar (wins), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 06:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

dog latin, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 11:33 (1 year ago) Permalink


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