― nostormo, Friday, 19 October 2012 15:44 (8 months ago) Permalink
cowgirl
― da croupier, Friday, 19 October 2012 15:48 (8 months ago) Permalink
Now here's a Neil poll I can vote in. Kane over Ambersons, Mays over Mantle, "Cowgirl" over "River."
― clemenza, Friday, 19 October 2012 15:48 (8 months ago) Permalink
river. probably. hmm i don't know.
― tylerw, Friday, 19 October 2012 15:48 (8 months ago) Permalink
the cowgirl on the fillmore live disc is all time, probably one of neil's top 5 guitar moments.
― tylerw, Friday, 19 October 2012 15:50 (8 months ago) Permalink
i like the production of Cowgirl better - those psych/hendrix guitars and drums - Molina never played his drums like that before or after!BUT the melody of River is a little better imo, and theres somethins spooky and great about the almost minimal approach to the production.
― nostormo, Friday, 19 October 2012 15:51 (8 months ago) Permalink
i dont know
Was just gonna post about the Cowgirl on the Fillmore disc. Simply awesome.
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― One Way Ticket on the 1277 Express (Bill Magill), Friday, 19 October 2012 15:52 (8 months ago) Permalink
lets focus on the LP versions..
― nostormo, Friday, 19 October 2012 15:52 (8 months ago) Permalink
opening chords of down by the river always grab me. best two chords.
― tylerw, Friday, 19 October 2012 15:53 (8 months ago) Permalink
cowgirl on fillmore reminds me a little of television, somehow.
love the version of river by low/dirty three
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 19 October 2012 15:53 (8 months ago) Permalink
Fillmore Cowgirl is all-time Neil. Would pick that over Fillmore River, and studio River. But prefer studio River to studio Cowgirl.
― 5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 19 October 2012 15:54 (8 months ago) Permalink
Can one love Young as much as I and never listen to these tracks?
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 October 2012 15:55 (8 months ago) Permalink
no
― nostormo, Friday, 19 October 2012 15:55 (8 months ago) Permalink
It's highly unusual, but legally permissible.
― clemenza, Friday, 19 October 2012 15:56 (8 months ago) Permalink
I'm with you on this, Alfred. Voted "Cowgirl" but really not a big fan of either song.
― cwkiii, Friday, 19 October 2012 15:57 (8 months ago) Permalink
I mean, I never feel like listening to them. He mastered these longform jams a few years later.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 October 2012 15:58 (8 months ago) Permalink
Two people--now we have a problem.
― clemenza, Friday, 19 October 2012 15:58 (8 months ago) Permalink
that's crack talk, alf
― da croupier, Friday, 19 October 2012 15:59 (8 months ago) Permalink
nah I just prefer "Danger Bird" and "Over and Over."
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 October 2012 16:00 (8 months ago) Permalink
i love later epic but whitten-era horse on the long stuff? neil never had something that good again
― da croupier, Friday, 19 October 2012 16:01 (8 months ago) Permalink
and I love EKTIN! But I skip these two. I'd give the edge to "..."River" though.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 October 2012 16:01 (8 months ago) Permalink
it's one thing to prefer hurricane or ragged or whatever but to suggest the poncho stomp is relative mastery is to suggest crack talk
― da croupier, Friday, 19 October 2012 16:02 (8 months ago) Permalink
neil young 60's/70's guitar epic POLL
will cowgirl get more votes here too?
― nostormo, Friday, 19 October 2012 16:04 (8 months ago) Permalink
well of course the Whitten bunch were better musicians. That's why I said Young mastered these things; the later tracks are better developed, better written, although it's clear he's arranged the solos around Poncho et al's weaknesses. "Down by the river/I shot my baby" is Young inching into blues tropes.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 October 2012 16:07 (8 months ago) Permalink
Folk tropes! Still, Cowgirl for the sweet/scary vibe.
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Friday, 19 October 2012 16:08 (8 months ago) Permalink
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, October 19, 2012 4:01 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
if you skip these two, you don't love Everybody Knows, bub. These two songs are like 90% of the record
― beef richards (Mr. Que), Friday, 19 October 2012 16:09 (8 months ago) Permalink
Cowgirl
It's really easy to love a half-good record.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 October 2012 16:09 (8 months ago) Permalink
Compared to "Cowgirl", "River" always kinda bored me..
― Mule, Friday, 19 October 2012 16:14 (8 months ago) Permalink
3 fucking months ago, you goofballs: A World of Constant Strangers: The Neil Young Results Thread
― some dude, Friday, 19 October 2012 16:15 (8 months ago) Permalink
Yeah, but the big polls has their own peculiar logic. One on ones are different.
― Mule, Friday, 19 October 2012 16:22 (8 months ago) Permalink
they're different in that when they're done later, they're either redunndant or a win by the previous loser will instantly look like reactionary
― some dude, Friday, 19 October 2012 16:24 (8 months ago) Permalink
the fact that River got more votes in the that poll doesnt necessary mean he will get more in this one
― nostormo, Friday, 19 October 2012 16:25 (8 months ago) Permalink
he? is this about River Phoenix?
― some dude, Friday, 19 October 2012 16:27 (8 months ago) Permalink
River.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 19 October 2012 16:29 (8 months ago) Permalink
theres a difference between choosing a list for all time favorite Neil songs to a "one on one" thing.esp. for the ones who chose both an their list (the majority?!)
― nostormo, Friday, 19 October 2012 16:29 (8 months ago) Permalink
nah it's some pointless 'i demand a recount' shit
― some dude, Friday, 19 October 2012 16:31 (8 months ago) Permalink
or it's just "i demand a discussion" about those two particular songs.
― nostormo, Friday, 19 October 2012 16:34 (8 months ago) Permalink
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, October 19, 2012 11:58 AM
just curious, have you heard the 2009 remaster?
― space dokken (Edward III), Friday, 19 October 2012 16:35 (8 months ago) Permalink
ILM had been so light on neil young discussion this year, too
― some dude, Friday, 19 October 2012 16:41 (8 months ago) Permalink
damn, some dude shutting it down. but anyway, how about the one-note machine gun thing neil does to kick off the first down by the river solo? as a kid in a garage band we were all so excited to get to that part.
― tylerw, Friday, 19 October 2012 17:10 (8 months ago) Permalink
yeah, its a great moment
― nostormo, Friday, 19 October 2012 18:00 (8 months ago) Permalink
whatever that famous early TV performance of "River" is, with the incredible solos, that's my fave live version (River over Cowboy for me)
― Iago Galdston, Friday, 19 October 2012 18:10 (8 months ago) Permalink
yeah the live videos with CSN got me into that song. (i recall a live outdoor video also.)
― billstevejim, Friday, 19 October 2012 18:22 (8 months ago) Permalink
yeah there's a big sur fest performance (not quite as good as the one iago posted but still rad).
― tylerw, Friday, 19 October 2012 18:22 (8 months ago) Permalink
My microscopic preference comes down to music, for the most part, but I also think "Cowgirl" yields more unforgettable lines: "purple words on a grey background," "when so many love you, is it the same," "can I see your sweet, sweet smile"--pretty much every line.
― clemenza, Friday, 19 October 2012 18:29 (8 months ago) Permalink
is this a joke? cowgirl is a hundred thousand times better than DBTR
― 69, Friday, 19 October 2012 18:42 (8 months ago) Permalink
maybe from a song craft POV, but I just kinda barrelled ahead to "what jam do I prefer?"
― Iago Galdston, Friday, 19 October 2012 18:50 (8 months ago) Permalink
huh never thought of season of the witch as a connection to Down By The River, but now that you mention it ... i remember reading that molina and talbot thought of the down by the river beat as a super slowed down james brown rhythm. which is kind of funny. guess that puts river in the category of epic rock jamz that have a secret james brown influence like marquee moon.
― tylerw, Friday, 19 October 2012 21:35 (8 months ago) Permalink
Cowgirl easily.
― Widely Recycled (Mr Andy M), Friday, 19 October 2012 21:35 (8 months ago) Permalink
i think DBTR sounds corny, especially compared to cowgirl
― 69, Friday, 19 October 2012 22:03 (8 months ago) Permalink
when i meet a cowgirl fanatic, there's usually a cowgirl somewhere in the listener's past
― Iago Galdston, Friday, 19 October 2012 22:03 (8 months ago) Permalink
not for me amigo
― 69, Friday, 19 October 2012 22:04 (8 months ago) Permalink
and no, i didn't shoot my baby--my love for DBTR is despite the lyrics, not because of them!
― Iago Galdston, Friday, 19 October 2012 22:05 (8 months ago) Permalink
i had a ruby in the dust, not a cowgirl
― nostormo, Friday, 19 October 2012 22:06 (8 months ago) Permalink
and yeah, the Hey Joe theme of River is is a music cliche by now...
― nostormo, Friday, 19 October 2012 22:07 (8 months ago) Permalink
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― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Friday, 19 October 2012 22:09 (8 months ago) Permalink
There may be a cowgirl in my future, but none in my past.
― hello, I just had a quick question? (_Rudipherous_), Friday, 19 October 2012 22:30 (8 months ago) Permalink
i do , and it was the woman in her that made her want to play that gaaaammmmmme (oy vey that's a stinker)
― Iago Galdston, Friday, 19 October 2012 22:33 (8 months ago) Permalink
Hello cowgirl in the riverI've got to shoot you with an arrow from my quiver
― hello, I just had a quick question? (_Rudipherous_), Friday, 19 October 2012 23:22 (8 months ago) Permalink
they really are two peas in a pod these two ditties
― Iago Galdston, Friday, 19 October 2012 23:43 (8 months ago) Permalink
what's corny is the lyric 'hello cowgirl in the sand'
― mookieproof, Friday, 19 October 2012 23:48 (8 months ago) Permalink
ha, true
― Iago Galdston, Saturday, 20 October 2012 00:09 (7 months ago) Permalink
after re-listening to the Fillmore set, went with Cowgirl. the turnarounds are better.
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 20 October 2012 02:41 (7 months ago) Permalink
― mookieproof, Friday, October 19, 2012 7:48 PM
really, I think it's such a great opening lyric. hello cowgirl in the sand, is this place at your command? establishes place, character, and relationship so economically.
― space dokken (Edward III), Saturday, 20 October 2012 19:46 (7 months ago) Permalink
i went for down by the river. not sure if that was the right choice. both songs are phantastic. were there any other songs with lyrics in the 1960s longer than nine minutes?
― alex in mainhattan, Saturday, 20 October 2012 22:24 (7 months ago) Permalink
Desolation Row, Sad Eyed Lady
(Huh...never noticed before that those are about the same length)
― WilliamC, Saturday, 20 October 2012 22:30 (7 months ago) Permalink
I really need to get into this album, i have it on LP somewhere. I've listened to it once or twice but always in the background and halfway through "Cowgirl" i stop what i'm doing and this "Oh this must be that 'Cowgirl in the Sand' song everyone always talks about! Cool!"
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 20 October 2012 22:57 (7 months ago) Permalink
this is a freaking tough on
― the late great, Saturday, 20 October 2012 22:58 (7 months ago) Permalink
*one
― well if it isn't old 11 cameras simon (gbx), Saturday, 20 October 2012 23:14 (7 months ago) Permalink
Listened to studio and Fillmore versions of both and I guess it's Cowgirl, barely.
― WilliamC, Saturday, 20 October 2012 23:41 (7 months ago) Permalink
Voted cowgirl. DBTR has always felt like a newly solo artist performing a popular standard. I don't think that is an accurate impression, but I've always held that bias. Besides, cowgirl is all time.
― overfaded aeropostale bootcuts I have owned (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 21 October 2012 00:50 (7 months ago) Permalink
Scott Miller, from Game Theory/Loud Family, had this great line about how creepy it was to start out a murder ballad with "Be on my side/I'll be on your side"
― skeevy wonder (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 21 October 2012 02:17 (7 months ago) Permalink
I mistakenly thought that buddy miles wrote this song. I will do my research next time, ILX. I apologize to you and Neil both.
― overfaded aeropostale bootcuts I have owned (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 21 October 2012 02:19 (7 months ago) Permalink
― Raymond Cummings, Sunday, 21 October 2012 02:30 (7 months ago) Permalink
Cowgirl. I used to like Down By The River more, but after a long drive playing both at top volume for close to an hour, I came around.
― kornrulez6969, Sunday, 21 October 2012 03:46 (7 months ago) Permalink
its close. but i think cowgirl wins it for the foreboding way each chorus ends with that "bah bah - bum! bah bah - bum!" riff.
― Chief Queef (stevie), Sunday, 21 October 2012 11:40 (7 months ago) Permalink
isn't it "bah bah - dum! bah bah - ram"?
― nostormo, Sunday, 21 October 2012 13:31 (7 months ago) Permalink
i cannot muster an argument either way tbh
― Chief Queef (stevie), Sunday, 21 October 2012 13:40 (7 months ago) Permalink
voted River on account of its creeping intro which I favor over Cowgirl's abrupt entry
― Euler, Sunday, 21 October 2012 20:57 (7 months ago) Permalink
i vote cowgirl cause sexy
― the late great, Sunday, 21 October 2012 21:05 (7 months ago) Permalink
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Thursday, 25 October 2012 00:01 (7 months ago) Permalink
"Cowgirl In The Sand" though i feel i would vote for "Down By The River" if i listened to both now.
― go San Francisco Giants! (Bee OK), Thursday, 25 October 2012 04:54 (7 months ago) Permalink
interesting vote
akin to 'vogelsong is our ace unless i'm watching cain'
― mookieproof, Thursday, 25 October 2012 04:59 (7 months ago) Permalink
lol, classic execpt. i have said: Vogelsong is the Giants best pitcher (this year) but Cain is our the ace of 2012.
more now on ILB...
― go San Francisco Giants! (Bee OK), Thursday, 25 October 2012 05:48 (7 months ago) Permalink
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Friday, 26 October 2012 00:01 (7 months ago) Permalink
Not close. In the Neil poll, it was "Down by the River" (448 points/41 votes) over "Cowgirl" (34/351). "Down by the River" must have had a calamitous first debate or something.
― clemenza, Friday, 26 October 2012 00:11 (7 months ago) Permalink
something something something people who will take time to fill out a ballot vs. people who will click a radio button something something something
― WilliamC, Friday, 26 October 2012 00:14 (7 months ago) Permalink
I think the something something something button-clickers got it right!
― clemenza, Friday, 26 October 2012 00:21 (7 months ago) Permalink
i disagree. people who want the easy convenience of a click-button poll have no business going near Neil Young
also DOWN BY THE RIVER 4 LYFE! FUCK THA HATERzzz!!!
― IMP of the perverse (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 27 October 2012 08:04 (7 months ago) Permalink
Button clickers:ballot voters::cds:pono
― 50 Shades of Greil (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 27 October 2012 08:08 (7 months ago) Permalink
Why the hell wasn't Cinnamon Girl not included in this poll?
― how's life, Thursday, 1 November 2012 12:59 (7 months ago) Permalink
Cinnamon Girl wasn't not included in this poll!
― Manchild in Beantown (stevie), Thursday, 1 November 2012 13:04 (7 months ago) Permalink
Will always be "Down By The River" for me (I voted btw). Just love the feel of it to death, and those guitars circling each other throughout the song remain all-time-greatest of the great. Love "Cowgirl" as well, just not as much as the guitars in DBTR.
― grandavis, Thursday, 1 November 2012 15:35 (7 months ago) Permalink
will someone please string together all of the solos from cowgirl in the sand and turn it into a groovy can-like dance number and call it cowgirl in the club or in the can or something? i was going to post this on the your terrible ideas thread but i think it's a good idea
― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 15:31 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
How about overlaying some country dance rhythms and calling it "Boot-Scootin' Cowgirl"? (Also meant for the terrible ideas thread.)
― clemenza, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 17:27 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
now that is a terrible idea.
― free your spirit pig (La Lechera), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 17:30 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
