Itunes, Billboard, and the marginalization of black music and black audiences in America

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So today Billboard changed their policy to allow digital music sales to count on previously airplay-driven genre charts. The problem with this is that there is no way of separating by demographics like there is for radio. The radio listener chooses the station that best fits their tastes, whereas anyone might buy from Itunes. Further compounding the problem is that that isn't even true -- economically privileged listeners, who are more likely to be white, are much more likely to purchase digital music.

The introduction of Itunes data to the Billboard Hot 100 in 2005 has had the effect of slowly but surely pushing music favored by black audiences off the pop charts and top 40 (and even rhythmic) radio, to the point where there are now very few songs that cross over from urban radio to other formats. Over the past year or so, there have been only a few songs popular on the r&b charts that cross over into the top 40 at any given time, usually below the top 10 (even this year's huge rap hits "The Motto" and "Mercy" got stuck in the teens on the big chart), while most of urban radio's big songs get stuck in the 30-100 range of the Hot 100. This has also led to the trend of black music stars like Nicki Minaj and Usher creating entirely different singles for different radio formats, with pop songs for white radio and r&b or rap songs for black radio.

Billboard's new changes potentially strike an even bigger blow to black audiences being able to determine their own hits. On this week's r&b chart, with the changes enacted, Rihanna's decidedly pop (and, it should be noted, terrible) "Diamonds" jumps from #61 to #1, pushing Miguel's decidedly r&b (and brilliant) "Adorn" out of the top spot. Urban radio stations may have lost one of their last impetuses left not to play pop music with white-leaning audiences.

There's even more to this but I don't have time to explain every last factor at work right this second. Here's what's been said on the rolling r&b thread:

um... some dude... wtf is going on with the R&B chart? why is Rihanna's "Diamonds" suddenly #1?

― (whose paintings looked like (pink) vaginas) (The Brainwasher), Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:14 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ha i was just about to come to this thread to gripe about that

basically the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart has tradtionally been mostly airplay + physical single sales, so if a nominal R&B song (by, say, Rihanna) did well on iTunes and pop radio but not actual R&B stations, it wouldn't make much of an impact on the R&B chart. but as of this week, iTunes is a factor on the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop like it has been on the Hot 100 for years, so now suddenly "Diamonds" is #1, and there's now a R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay chart which is basically what the main chart used to be, and on that "Adorn" is #1 and "Diamonds is #61.

this is massively fuck up whatever confidence R&B stations and labels had left to not cater to pop crossover imo. horrible move by Billboard.

― some dude, Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:57 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

And now Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs is 50 deep instead of 100.

25-deep R&B Songs chart now, too.

― Andy K, Thursday, October 11, 2012 10:20 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

R&B Songs and Rap Songs will serve as 25-position distillations of the overall Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart, highlighting the differences between pure R&B and rap titles in the overall, wide-ranging R&B/hip-hop field.

Eleven of the 25 songs on R&B Songs feature rappers, so "pure R&B" must mean songs with an R&B artist as only or lead voice.

― Andy K, Thursday, October 11, 2012 10:34 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Make that 10, not 11.

― Andy K, Thursday, October 11, 2012 10:34 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:21 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

excuse me while I find a corner to curl up into the fetal position and cry in

― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:22 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

rev's "Itunes destroyed Black American pop music" rant on twitter a few months ago was so righteous that i saved it in a doc, tempted to just post it right now

― some dude, Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:34 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

post it! i missed it!

― lex pretend, Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:36 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i'd have to clean it up and re-order it for it to make sense, but here's the short version he put on tumblr: http://reverenddollars.tumblr.com/post/24446685357/positing-not-claiming

― some dude, Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:38 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ha i saw that, think i favourited it somewhere

― lex pretend, Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:42 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I've gone on at least a couple such extended twitter rants. Been meaning to start a thread on the subject here and I think I will now. Please post whatever you saved.

― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:43 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh wow, part of my gripe about this was going to be that the Country charts didn't get the same treatment but they did -- Taylor Swift leaps from #21 to #1 on the revamped download-heavy Country chart. fucking Billboard, putting nails in the coffin of terrestrial radio formats' ability to make hits.

― some dude, Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:45 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

would quite like to hear about the role itunes is playing in this - that's not in the tumblr & i don't really know

― lex pretend, Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:46 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Wonder if (the very good, all-R&B) Two Eleven has a shot at the Top Ten of the Billboard 200. "Put It Down": 70-76-72 last three weeks on Hot 100 and 16-5-3 last three weeks on Hot R&B/Hip-Hop. Doesn't really bode well.

― Andy K, Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:48 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

2 columns that chris molanphy and i wrote about r&b's hot 100 decline that get into how itunes changed things:

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2011/05/chris_brown_look_at_me_now_hot_100.php

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2012/07/sales_slump_usher_chris_brown.php

― some dude, Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:51 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i read both of those at the time - they were great and i think i may have linked one in my independent r&b piece - but what is it about itunes that means it's an inefficient driver of r&b? it's so geared towards casual/spontaneous consumption that it inherently privileges pop?

― lex pretend, Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:54 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

whereas radio-driven r&b is dependent on gatekeepers to an extent?

― lex pretend, Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:54 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

those might be factors but the more simple truth is just that demographically speaking the songs and artists that get chart boosts from iTunes sales, particularly single sales, strongly skew pop and not urban

― some dude, Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:57 PM Bookmark

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

so iTunes ID3 genre tags DO matter lol

stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm quite shocked by this. i didn't know people still cared about billboard charts

frogbs, Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's not the charts themselves that I care about so much as how they reflect and drive cultural changes.

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah the charts are bullshit but they have real ramifications in terms of what gets bankrolled

stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

Oh and Psy has been placed on top of the rap charts, because obv "Gangnam Style" is what's hot in the streets right now.

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

If you have any interest in this phenomenon, please read the Molanphy articles.

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

another good reason to hate apple

We demand justice: who murdered Chanel? (Matt P), Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

Are there charts for most genres? And did they change too?

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah the charts are bullshit but they have real ramifications in terms of what gets bankrolled

so does a list of 'what music is actually being bought'

iatee, Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

This is really interesting, Rev. We've never really had high-stakes multiple charts and the US system has always seemed incredibly complicated to me, but then we're a million times smaller so it's a different proposition, I guess.

emil.y, Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

well, they used to be lists of what music is actually being played and requested on the radio, too. but however they combine these different statistics always seems to heavily favor sales over overplay. (xpost)

some dude, Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

I for one never liked the idea of airplay contributing to the charts here in the UK and I'm glad it remains sales based.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

but I can see why it works better in the USA. You only ever got top 40 or oldies radio here and that was it until digital radio and 1extra.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Chris Mol@nphy wrote this column in ship's column last year:

All I'll add to the exhaustive data you offer is a hobby-horse I've been riding for a couple of years now: the need for Billboard to finally add digital-sales data to the R&B/Hip-Hop chart.

They've been resisting for years, on the (implied, not overtly stated) premise that it would ruin the character of a chart that has a long history with black-owned and oriented retailers. But with that segment (along with all brick-and-mortar music retail) at death's door anyway, the sales portion of Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs has been near-nonexistent for years, making it essentially a radio chart a la the deadly, predigital Hot 100 of 2000–05.

That's led to a problem where there's no longer a radio programmer-to-consumer-back-to-programmer feedback loop that makes for great charts. I'm sure there's a one-way influence from radio to the teen urban-music buyer who then downloads a Trey Songz MP3. But with that sale not reflected on the R&B/Hip-Hop chart, the loop ends there; programmers aren't given clear enough signals of how to reflect their most avid audience members' tastes (especially young audience).

In my ideal fantasy world, you'd be able to segment iTunes/AmazonMP3 song sales to pockets of the country that have large black populations or high urban-radio listenership, but that's probably impossible, or at least fraught. But at the very least, I think it'd be trivial for Billboard to set up a rule whereby a song eligible for R&B/Hip-Hop Songs would have to hit some kind of urban-radio threshold before their iTunes sales would count toward the chart.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

here's an explanation of the changes, which affect all genre charts:

http://www.billboard.com/news#/news/taylor-swift-rihanna-psy-buoyed-by-billboard-1007978552.story

the rock charts are much less affected by this than R&B or country -- for instance this week fun.'s "Some Nights" went back to #1 after falling to #8, because it had started to run its course on radio but is still selling strong on iTunes.

some dude, Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

ok lol i spoke to soon -- Philip Philips and Train are now big on the rock charts

some dude, Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

wtf is philip philips?

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Train are now big on the rock charts

chilling words in any context

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

also holy shit SIX Mumford & Sons songs in a row on the rock songs chart, because that was the last big album release so every song is getting bought individually on itunes

Phillip Phillips won American Idol last year

some dude, Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

see that is bullshit with buying albums and the tracks being on a singles track

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

*chart

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

what i'm saying!

some dude, Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's one thing that rihanna has the #1 R&B song now, but when her album is released she'll probably take up the whole top 5

some dude, Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

you mentioned itunes sales in the other thread shipz - i'm guessing those are discounted albums rather than individual tracks?

apart from that and

economically privileged listeners, who are more likely to be white, are much more likely to purchase digital music

i'd be interested to know why r&b/rap/country etc might not be as digitally-driven...?

lex pretend, Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's funny, you might've thought before this all happened that iTunes impacting singles charts might mean that new artists and grassroots successes that have been shut out by the radio industry might get a better shot at breaking through. instead, it feels like any song by the biggest stars is stomping out songs people love by less famous artists via the power of name recognition and fanatical fanclub followings.

some dude, Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

you mentioned itunes sales in the other thread shipz - i'm guessing those are discounted albums rather than individual tracks?

Not discounted albums, people buy lots of album tracks individually from popular albums all the time. A hit album is almost guaranteed to have several album tracks enter the Hot 100 on its week of release because of this.

i'd be interested to know why r&b/rap/country etc might not be as digitally-driven...?

That isn't quite true of country, but white demographics are a lot more likely to have internet in their homes than black/latinos. And even if they do, the white listener is a lot more likely to have spare $$$ to spend on digital music.

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

i mean if you want to go by the stereotype that country fans are rural/poorer than the same would apply to them too

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

seems pretty obv

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

ok...how does that square with the boom in free rap mixtapes?

also, i don't think i realised til now how airplay-driven charts would help songs specifically popular in demographics with no spare $$$ to actually buy them in whatever format.

lex pretend, Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Note that of the top 20-selling songs in the US during the first half of 2012, only two, #16 "Rack City" and #18 "The Motto" reached the top 50 of the r&b chart.

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

what genre of music dominates the US singles charts now?

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

i mean if you want to go by the stereotype that country fans are rural/poorer than the same would apply to them too

― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, October 11, 2012 2:07 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't think this is as true as one might assume? A lot of well-off suburban country listeners. Or at least country seems to do fairly well on Itunes.

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

capital-p Pop -- Katy Perry, Rihanna, Gaga, Kelly Clarkson, Pink, One Direction, etc. although this year stuff like Gotye and fun. has mixed things up a bit. (xpost)

some dude, Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

there's also the argument that buying your favorite song on iTunes (as opposed to just listening to it on the radio, streaming it on YouTube now and again, or buying the album) is a generational habit, and so things that skew younger benefit from this -- Taylor, Rihanna etc.

some dude, Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

i mean it sucks because a lot of these formats had been fostering new stars and putting interesting songs at #1 lately, but you're never gonna see Miguel top the R&B chart or Eric Church top the country chart again after this

some dude, Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

don't forget Maroon 5

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

interesting stuff. i don't have my head entirely around the numbers & methodologies here, but there's something about a "return to monoculture" either in real terms or as a measurement phenomenon.

there is no dana, only (goole), Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

is the pop domination due to itunes or changing of radio playlists/genre stations changing to top 40 or just one of those things that happens?

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

interesting stuff. i don't have my head entirely around the numbers & methodologies here, but there's something about a "return to monoculture" either in real terms or as a measurement phenomenon.

It's been happening on radio for a while. It's impossible to break the Rihanna-Goyte-Katy-Perry-Maroon-5 stranglehold on Clear Channel Radio. I mean, I hear "One More Night" every 45 minutes.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

but you're never gonna see Miguel top the R&B chart or Eric Church top the country chart again after this

to be blunt about this, it's because, even though Rihanna makes club trance, she "is R&B" (because, you know), and Taylor Swift makes pop dubstep, she "is country" (again, because, you know). right?

in a way it seems like this is a identity/identification/musicalogical problem. almost.

there is no dana, only (goole), Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

Taylor Swift... makes pop dubstep?

The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

p much

there is no dana, only (goole), Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

well, it's because when five Rihanna tracks become available her fans will download them at once from iTunes.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

SWIFTSTEP

lex pretend, Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

What would an ideal modern chart system look like?

wk, Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

Taylor Swift... makes pop dubstep?

I'll assume you don't want to hear her latest track.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

What would an ideal modern chart system look like?

"Adorn" and "Springsteen" topping every chart.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

any major some dude will tell you, my friend

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 February 2015 17:40 (1 month ago) Permalink

xpost yes i am. I just believe their reaction would have been amusing, especially since no one would have known who Kanye was at the time, except liner notes nerds.

ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Monday, 9 February 2015 17:40 (1 month ago) Permalink

also iirc SD's win was similarly controversial, but it was because they beat Eminem.

ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Monday, 9 February 2015 17:43 (1 month ago) Permalink

they also beat Beck!

some dude, Monday, 9 February 2015 17:45 (1 month ago) Permalink

the circle completes

"Go pet your dog" is the name of my dog (DJP), Monday, 9 February 2015 18:15 (1 month ago) Permalink

Gonna be pumped when Iggy beats Steely Dan for best rap album in 2025

, Monday, 9 February 2015 18:29 (1 month ago) Permalink

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/02/the-two-grammys/385156/

•A non-white artist hasn’t won Best Album since jazz legend Herbie Hancock took the award in 2008 for a record of Joni Mitchell covers; one who could conceivably be called “contemporary” or “relevant” hasn’t won since OutKast in 2004 (2005 went to a posthumous Ray Charles release).
•Aside from Pharrell Williams and Nile Rodgers' featured work on Daft Punk's "Get Lucky," the Record of the Year winners have all been white since 2005, when Ray Charles won the award with Norah Jones. A rap song has never taken the trophy in that category.
•Song of the Year went to Beyoncé's "Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It)" in 2010; other than that, the winners were all white after Luther Vandross in 2004.
•The two Best New Artist winners of color in the past 10 years were Esperanza Spalding in 2011 and John Legend in 2006.

curmudgeon, Monday, 9 February 2015 18:38 (1 month ago) Permalink

iggy azalea's 'fancy' is better than any song on eminem's album

deej loaf (D-40), Monday, 9 February 2015 18:41 (1 month ago) Permalink

Song of the Year went to Beyoncé's "Single Ladies (Put a Ring on It)" in 2010

I still have no idea how this happened.

Eric H., Monday, 9 February 2015 18:43 (1 month ago) Permalink

great song

when is the new Jim O'Rourke album coming out (spazzmatazz), Monday, 9 February 2015 18:43 (1 month ago) Permalink

Buzz Lightyear gets secret royalties for that one like Tom Petty does for "Stay With Me"

some dude, Monday, 9 February 2015 18:51 (1 month ago) Permalink

I still have no idea how this happened.

great song

Precisely!

Eric H., Monday, 9 February 2015 18:53 (1 month ago) Permalink

If you think Beck has consistently pastiched black music then I'm guessing you've only heard a couple of Beck records.

― Minaj moron (Re-Make/Re-Model), Monday, February 9, 2015 3:38 AM Bookmark

This is right but it's worth pointing out that he's only good when he's pastiching black music.

aybaybayfan (The Reverend), Monday, 9 February 2015 21:12 (1 month ago) Permalink

this is pretty accurate, depending on how much black pastiche you think is happening on Guero

"Go pet your dog" is the name of my dog (DJP), Monday, 9 February 2015 21:14 (1 month ago) Permalink

it's a pastiche of himself

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 February 2015 21:16 (1 month ago) Permalink

^^^

aybaybayfan (The Reverend), Monday, 9 February 2015 21:17 (1 month ago) Permalink

Expert self-cannibalization, I think, but I haven't played the record in years.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 February 2015 21:17 (1 month ago) Permalink

Midnite Vultures is my favorite Beck album, naturally.

aybaybayfan (The Reverend), Monday, 9 February 2015 21:22 (1 month ago) Permalink

The indie club I used to hit in the early 2000s loved the shit out of "Sexx Laws" and "Mixed Bizness." I'm scared to play "Debra" though.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 February 2015 21:26 (1 month ago) Permalink

"Debra" is the one glaring false note on that album (obv Beck's best, duh).

Eric H., Monday, 9 February 2015 21:28 (1 month ago) Permalink

I remember loving how an episode of "Homicide" used "Beautiful Way."

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 February 2015 21:30 (1 month ago) Permalink

I remember how an episode of "Murder She Wrote" made all the lesbians scream.

Eric H., Monday, 9 February 2015 21:33 (1 month ago) Permalink

it mixed bizness withleather iirc

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 February 2015 21:36 (1 month ago) Permalink

mixed bizness is the fucking JAM

flopson, Monday, 9 February 2015 21:47 (1 month ago) Permalink

lowest Grammy ratings in 6 years

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 01:52 (1 month ago) Permalink

makes sense. i can't even think of who the big draw would be for viewers, other than Beyonce, who was on last year's Grammys and every other awards show that's aired since then.

some dude, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 01:58 (1 month ago) Permalink

I was gonna post the cover of One Foot In The Grave but uh yeah I guess

oochie wally (clean version) (sic), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 02:18 (1 month ago) Permalink

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 02:22 (1 month ago) Permalink

this was what was playing in my head as a dazed and confused beck accepted the second award and called up a host of industry vets to stand with him

first two responses on that youtube are

thewirah14 hours ago
Kanye West makes me wanna smoke crack.

and too much time on ilx
Nina Reyes4 months ago
Im 77 and i love Beck <3

the plight of y0landa (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 02:25 (1 month ago) Permalink

This is right but it's worth pointing out that he's only good when he's pastiching black music.

Ha, true.

Minaj moron (Re-Make/Re-Model), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 11:09 (1 month ago) Permalink

"FourFiveSeconds" additionally zooms 2-1 on Billboard's Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart.

http://www.billboard.com/articles/6465909/hot-100-rihanna-kanye-west-paul-mccartney-ellie-goulding-mark-ronson

dyl, Wednesday, 11 February 2015 20:29 (1 month ago) Permalink

Rihanna rising up the Hot 100 just broke the 5-week streak of zero black artists in the top 10 (last one was The Weeknd on Ariana Grande's "Love Me Harder").

some dude, Wednesday, 11 February 2015 23:08 (1 month ago) Permalink

glad this is look like a real sustainable hit

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 11 February 2015 23:17 (1 month ago) Permalink

that Billboard article went into a real lather over the McCartney records broken by this hit.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 February 2015 23:19 (1 month ago) Permalink

surely we can all agree that "Spies Like Us" is a worthier epitaph.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 February 2015 23:20 (1 month ago) Permalink

four five seconds from spyin'

some dude, Thursday, 12 February 2015 01:46 (1 month ago) Permalink

But rap has decentralized, and the Internet — not New York City — is now its spiritual center. These days, Mr. Ferro said, the station can “dabble” in more mainstream music, like the current No. 1 on the Billboard singles chart, “Uptown Funk!” by Mark Ronson. But he also acknowledged that there was the possibility of going “overboard” with nonrap songs. “There is absolutely a line that cannot be crossed,” he said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/14/arts/music/hot-97-a-hip-hop-pioneer-on-radio-reaches-a-crossroads.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=c-column-middle-span-region®ion=c-column-middle-span-region&WT.nav=c-column-middle-span-region

curmudgeon, Saturday, 14 February 2015 16:52 (1 month ago) Permalink

line is apparently back behind royals tho'

the plight of y0landa (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 14 February 2015 17:08 (1 month ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

chart minutiae: making a strong gain to #12 this week, "trap queen" could very well be the next rap song to sneak into hot 100's top 10. ^____^ (erm other than pitbull/ne-yo lol.) its viral appeal seems to be doing most of the work: it's #6 in streaming and selling pretty healthily too (#17 digital songs) despite only having major support at r&b radio right now, where it is almost top 10.

a couple lingering outside the top 10 that might not make it: usher's "i don't mind" (#11) and nicki's "truffle butter" (#14). they're #s 10 and 11 in all-format play rn, supported almost completely by rhythmic and r&b, but more modest in streaming and sales (altho "truffle butter" is selling about as well as "trap queen"). they're both lacking music videos and i'm not sure if one is planned for either. (iirc it's common for young money not to shoot videos for their radio hits or to put them out way late.) pop is actually playing "i don't mind" a little albeit not enthusiastically -- the edit the station here is playing cuts out so many of the words in the chorus that it is nearly unlistenable.

dyl, Thursday, 12 March 2015 21:30 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

The pleasing success of "Truffle Butter" affirms to me that (a) it should have been on the standard tracklisting of the Pinkprint and (b) it should have been the Drake x Wayne single instead of "Only"

bae sremmurd (monotony), Thursday, 12 March 2015 22:13 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

they just put out a "truffle butter" lyric video

given everything going on with cash money right now i would be pretty surprised if they ever put a video out for that

J0rdan S., Thursday, 12 March 2015 22:16 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

also the natalie la rose/jeremih song is in the top 20 now and has been rising pretty steadily for weeks

J0rdan S., Thursday, 12 March 2015 22:17 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

"i don't mind" has been hanging around that ~12 spot for a few weeks now, i figured it was stalling out but maybe it will tick up one more place again

J0rdan S., Thursday, 12 March 2015 22:19 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

i had no idea trap queen was blowing up nationally, good for him

Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Friday, 13 March 2015 04:51 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Some Dude in a recent noisey.vice article:

It’s obnoxious that Mark Ronson’s “Uptown Funk” pastiched 80s funk bands like The Time and topped the Hot 100 this year during a monthlong stretch in which no African American artists had a top ten hit (although Trinidad James got a check for his lyrical inspiration for the song).

curmudgeon, Friday, 13 March 2015 14:09 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

And yet people are worried the blurred lines verdict will deny us similar endeavors

da croupier, Friday, 13 March 2015 14:16 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

Trap Queen is amazing, mad @ Whiney for confining it to his stupid spongebob thread

, Friday, 13 March 2015 14:33 (2 weeks ago) Permalink

fetty wap in the top 10

J0rdan S., Thursday, 19 March 2015 13:44 (1 week ago) Permalink

a bit too early for top 10 talk but the ciara single made a huge jump this week, will be top 40 next week

J0rdan S., Thursday, 19 March 2015 13:45 (1 week ago) Permalink


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