Itunes, Billboard, and the marginalization of black music and black audiences in America

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So today Billboard changed their policy to allow digital music sales to count on previously airplay-driven genre charts. The problem with this is that there is no way of separating by demographics like there is for radio. The radio listener chooses the station that best fits their tastes, whereas anyone might buy from Itunes. Further compounding the problem is that that isn't even true -- economically privileged listeners, who are more likely to be white, are much more likely to purchase digital music.

The introduction of Itunes data to the Billboard Hot 100 in 2005 has had the effect of slowly but surely pushing music favored by black audiences off the pop charts and top 40 (and even rhythmic) radio, to the point where there are now very few songs that cross over from urban radio to other formats. Over the past year or so, there have been only a few songs popular on the r&b charts that cross over into the top 40 at any given time, usually below the top 10 (even this year's huge rap hits "The Motto" and "Mercy" got stuck in the teens on the big chart), while most of urban radio's big songs get stuck in the 30-100 range of the Hot 100. This has also led to the trend of black music stars like Nicki Minaj and Usher creating entirely different singles for different radio formats, with pop songs for white radio and r&b or rap songs for black radio.

Billboard's new changes potentially strike an even bigger blow to black audiences being able to determine their own hits. On this week's r&b chart, with the changes enacted, Rihanna's decidedly pop (and, it should be noted, terrible) "Diamonds" jumps from #61 to #1, pushing Miguel's decidedly r&b (and brilliant) "Adorn" out of the top spot. Urban radio stations may have lost one of their last impetuses left not to play pop music with white-leaning audiences.

There's even more to this but I don't have time to explain every last factor at work right this second. Here's what's been said on the rolling r&b thread:

um... some dude... wtf is going on with the R&B chart? why is Rihanna's "Diamonds" suddenly #1?

― (whose paintings looked like (pink) vaginas) (The Brainwasher), Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:14 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ha i was just about to come to this thread to gripe about that

basically the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart has tradtionally been mostly airplay + physical single sales, so if a nominal R&B song (by, say, Rihanna) did well on iTunes and pop radio but not actual R&B stations, it wouldn't make much of an impact on the R&B chart. but as of this week, iTunes is a factor on the Hot R&B/Hip-Hop like it has been on the Hot 100 for years, so now suddenly "Diamonds" is #1, and there's now a R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay chart which is basically what the main chart used to be, and on that "Adorn" is #1 and "Diamonds is #61.

this is massively fuck up whatever confidence R&B stations and labels had left to not cater to pop crossover imo. horrible move by Billboard.

― some dude, Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:57 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

And now Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs is 50 deep instead of 100.

25-deep R&B Songs chart now, too.

― Andy K, Thursday, October 11, 2012 10:20 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

R&B Songs and Rap Songs will serve as 25-position distillations of the overall Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart, highlighting the differences between pure R&B and rap titles in the overall, wide-ranging R&B/hip-hop field.

Eleven of the 25 songs on R&B Songs feature rappers, so "pure R&B" must mean songs with an R&B artist as only or lead voice.

― Andy K, Thursday, October 11, 2012 10:34 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Make that 10, not 11.

― Andy K, Thursday, October 11, 2012 10:34 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:21 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

excuse me while I find a corner to curl up into the fetal position and cry in

― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:22 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

rev's "Itunes destroyed Black American pop music" rant on twitter a few months ago was so righteous that i saved it in a doc, tempted to just post it right now

― some dude, Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:34 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

post it! i missed it!

― lex pretend, Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:36 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i'd have to clean it up and re-order it for it to make sense, but here's the short version he put on tumblr: http://reverenddollars.tumblr.com/post/24446685357/positing-not-claiming

― some dude, Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:38 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ha i saw that, think i favourited it somewhere

― lex pretend, Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:42 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I've gone on at least a couple such extended twitter rants. Been meaning to start a thread on the subject here and I think I will now. Please post whatever you saved.

― Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:43 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh wow, part of my gripe about this was going to be that the Country charts didn't get the same treatment but they did -- Taylor Swift leaps from #21 to #1 on the revamped download-heavy Country chart. fucking Billboard, putting nails in the coffin of terrestrial radio formats' ability to make hits.

― some dude, Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:45 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

would quite like to hear about the role itunes is playing in this - that's not in the tumblr & i don't really know

― lex pretend, Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:46 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Wonder if (the very good, all-R&B) Two Eleven has a shot at the Top Ten of the Billboard 200. "Put It Down": 70-76-72 last three weeks on Hot 100 and 16-5-3 last three weeks on Hot R&B/Hip-Hop. Doesn't really bode well.

― Andy K, Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:48 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

2 columns that chris molanphy and i wrote about r&b's hot 100 decline that get into how itunes changed things:

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2011/05/chris_brown_look_at_me_now_hot_100.php

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2012/07/sales_slump_usher_chris_brown.php

― some dude, Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:51 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i read both of those at the time - they were great and i think i may have linked one in my independent r&b piece - but what is it about itunes that means it's an inefficient driver of r&b? it's so geared towards casual/spontaneous consumption that it inherently privileges pop?

― lex pretend, Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:54 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

whereas radio-driven r&b is dependent on gatekeepers to an extent?

― lex pretend, Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:54 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

those might be factors but the more simple truth is just that demographically speaking the songs and artists that get chart boosts from iTunes sales, particularly single sales, strongly skew pop and not urban

― some dude, Thursday, October 11, 2012 12:57 PM Bookmark

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

so iTunes ID3 genre tags DO matter lol

stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm quite shocked by this. i didn't know people still cared about billboard charts

frogbs, Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

It's not the charts themselves that I care about so much as how they reflect and drive cultural changes.

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah the charts are bullshit but they have real ramifications in terms of what gets bankrolled

stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

Oh and Psy has been placed on top of the rap charts, because obv "Gangnam Style" is what's hot in the streets right now.

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

If you have any interest in this phenomenon, please read the Molanphy articles.

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

another good reason to hate apple

We demand justice: who murdered Chanel? (Matt P), Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

Are there charts for most genres? And did they change too?

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah the charts are bullshit but they have real ramifications in terms of what gets bankrolled

so does a list of 'what music is actually being bought'

iatee, Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

This is really interesting, Rev. We've never really had high-stakes multiple charts and the US system has always seemed incredibly complicated to me, but then we're a million times smaller so it's a different proposition, I guess.

emil.y, Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

well, they used to be lists of what music is actually being played and requested on the radio, too. but however they combine these different statistics always seems to heavily favor sales over overplay. (xpost)

some dude, Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

I for one never liked the idea of airplay contributing to the charts here in the UK and I'm glad it remains sales based.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

but I can see why it works better in the USA. You only ever got top 40 or oldies radio here and that was it until digital radio and 1extra.

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

Chris Mol@nphy wrote this column in ship's column last year:

All I'll add to the exhaustive data you offer is a hobby-horse I've been riding for a couple of years now: the need for Billboard to finally add digital-sales data to the R&B/Hip-Hop chart.

They've been resisting for years, on the (implied, not overtly stated) premise that it would ruin the character of a chart that has a long history with black-owned and oriented retailers. But with that segment (along with all brick-and-mortar music retail) at death's door anyway, the sales portion of Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs has been near-nonexistent for years, making it essentially a radio chart a la the deadly, predigital Hot 100 of 2000–05.

That's led to a problem where there's no longer a radio programmer-to-consumer-back-to-programmer feedback loop that makes for great charts. I'm sure there's a one-way influence from radio to the teen urban-music buyer who then downloads a Trey Songz MP3. But with that sale not reflected on the R&B/Hip-Hop chart, the loop ends there; programmers aren't given clear enough signals of how to reflect their most avid audience members' tastes (especially young audience).

In my ideal fantasy world, you'd be able to segment iTunes/AmazonMP3 song sales to pockets of the country that have large black populations or high urban-radio listenership, but that's probably impossible, or at least fraught. But at the very least, I think it'd be trivial for Billboard to set up a rule whereby a song eligible for R&B/Hip-Hop Songs would have to hit some kind of urban-radio threshold before their iTunes sales would count toward the chart.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

here's an explanation of the changes, which affect all genre charts:

http://www.billboard.com/news#/news/taylor-swift-rihanna-psy-buoyed-by-billboard-1007978552.story

the rock charts are much less affected by this than R&B or country -- for instance this week fun.'s "Some Nights" went back to #1 after falling to #8, because it had started to run its course on radio but is still selling strong on iTunes.

some dude, Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

ok lol i spoke to soon -- Philip Philips and Train are now big on the rock charts

some dude, Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

wtf is philip philips?

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Train are now big on the rock charts

chilling words in any context

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

also holy shit SIX Mumford & Sons songs in a row on the rock songs chart, because that was the last big album release so every song is getting bought individually on itunes

Phillip Phillips won American Idol last year

some dude, Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

see that is bullshit with buying albums and the tracks being on a singles track

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

*chart

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

what i'm saying!

some dude, Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's one thing that rihanna has the #1 R&B song now, but when her album is released she'll probably take up the whole top 5

some dude, Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

you mentioned itunes sales in the other thread shipz - i'm guessing those are discounted albums rather than individual tracks?

apart from that and

economically privileged listeners, who are more likely to be white, are much more likely to purchase digital music

i'd be interested to know why r&b/rap/country etc might not be as digitally-driven...?

lex pretend, Thursday, 11 October 2012 20:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's funny, you might've thought before this all happened that iTunes impacting singles charts might mean that new artists and grassroots successes that have been shut out by the radio industry might get a better shot at breaking through. instead, it feels like any song by the biggest stars is stomping out songs people love by less famous artists via the power of name recognition and fanatical fanclub followings.

some dude, Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

you mentioned itunes sales in the other thread shipz - i'm guessing those are discounted albums rather than individual tracks?

Not discounted albums, people buy lots of album tracks individually from popular albums all the time. A hit album is almost guaranteed to have several album tracks enter the Hot 100 on its week of release because of this.

i'd be interested to know why r&b/rap/country etc might not be as digitally-driven...?

That isn't quite true of country, but white demographics are a lot more likely to have internet in their homes than black/latinos. And even if they do, the white listener is a lot more likely to have spare $$$ to spend on digital music.

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

i mean if you want to go by the stereotype that country fans are rural/poorer than the same would apply to them too

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

seems pretty obv

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

ok...how does that square with the boom in free rap mixtapes?

also, i don't think i realised til now how airplay-driven charts would help songs specifically popular in demographics with no spare $$$ to actually buy them in whatever format.

lex pretend, Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

Note that of the top 20-selling songs in the US during the first half of 2012, only two, #16 "Rack City" and #18 "The Motto" reached the top 50 of the r&b chart.

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

what genre of music dominates the US singles charts now?

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

i mean if you want to go by the stereotype that country fans are rural/poorer than the same would apply to them too

― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, October 11, 2012 2:07 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't think this is as true as one might assume? A lot of well-off suburban country listeners. Or at least country seems to do fairly well on Itunes.

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

capital-p Pop -- Katy Perry, Rihanna, Gaga, Kelly Clarkson, Pink, One Direction, etc. although this year stuff like Gotye and fun. has mixed things up a bit. (xpost)

some dude, Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

there's also the argument that buying your favorite song on iTunes (as opposed to just listening to it on the radio, streaming it on YouTube now and again, or buying the album) is a generational habit, and so things that skew younger benefit from this -- Taylor, Rihanna etc.

some dude, Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

i mean it sucks because a lot of these formats had been fostering new stars and putting interesting songs at #1 lately, but you're never gonna see Miguel top the R&B chart or Eric Church top the country chart again after this

some dude, Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

don't forget Maroon 5

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

interesting stuff. i don't have my head entirely around the numbers & methodologies here, but there's something about a "return to monoculture" either in real terms or as a measurement phenomenon.

there is no dana, only (goole), Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

is the pop domination due to itunes or changing of radio playlists/genre stations changing to top 40 or just one of those things that happens?

Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

interesting stuff. i don't have my head entirely around the numbers & methodologies here, but there's something about a "return to monoculture" either in real terms or as a measurement phenomenon.

It's been happening on radio for a while. It's impossible to break the Rihanna-Goyte-Katy-Perry-Maroon-5 stranglehold on Clear Channel Radio. I mean, I hear "One More Night" every 45 minutes.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

but you're never gonna see Miguel top the R&B chart or Eric Church top the country chart again after this

to be blunt about this, it's because, even though Rihanna makes club trance, she "is R&B" (because, you know), and Taylor Swift makes pop dubstep, she "is country" (again, because, you know). right?

in a way it seems like this is a identity/identification/musicalogical problem. almost.

there is no dana, only (goole), Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

Taylor Swift... makes pop dubstep?

The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

p much

there is no dana, only (goole), Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

well, it's because when five Rihanna tracks become available her fans will download them at once from iTunes.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

SWIFTSTEP

lex pretend, Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

What would an ideal modern chart system look like?

wk, Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

Taylor Swift... makes pop dubstep?

I'll assume you don't want to hear her latest track.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

What would an ideal modern chart system look like?

"Adorn" and "Springsteen" topping every chart.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 October 2012 21:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

Earned It rules, tho looking into The Weeknd's catalogue after hearing it ws a v unpleasant experience (obv). Song reads as abt his first unmisogynistic to me and I kinda think that's part of its success (along w pretty arrangement/vocal etc). Tracer's reading just seems willfully weird

sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Saturday, 4 April 2015 09:40 (1 month ago) Permalink

"earned it" and "you're worth it" are explicitly transactional phrases.. this isn't some kind of weird reach

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 4 April 2015 10:27 (1 month ago) Permalink

and yes, i put it in the context of his previous creepy-ass songs, why wouldn't i?

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 4 April 2015 10:28 (1 month ago) Permalink

Yeah that bit makes sense, bt those transactional phrases're v commonly used to describe relationships, bc capitalism, so that bit seemed a big stretch

sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Saturday, 4 April 2015 10:45 (1 month ago) Permalink

the new #1 is wiz khalifa's pop-rap song from the furious 7 movie

"trap queen" rises to #4

"post to be" jumps to #16 and possibly headed for top 10. as w/ "trap queen" before it's getting streamed a ton and only has major airplay at urban radio for now (tho gaining at rhythmic).

big sean's "blessings" (don't really like the song but w/e) is also in a similar situation w/ very high streaming activity and major play only at urban, so it could be on its way too. (neither it nor "post to be" have been really big sellers like "trap queen" has become tho.)

i would say the streaming metric is (recently) serving a similar purpose as retail singles sales did in the 90s for r&b songs, i.e. to drive initial gains up the chart so non-urban stations will take notice and start giving them some play.

the hot 100's top positions look like they could end up being about as male-dominated as they were (white) female-dominated for some time last year. black women not named nicki minaj, rihanna or beyonce (or natalie la rose for 1 week) lose either way :(

dyl, Thursday, 16 April 2015 20:20 (1 month ago) Permalink

to be fair black women besides those 3 artists aren't really on urban radio that much at the moment either. Ciara's latest peaked at #16 on R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay, Sevyn Streeter at #19, Mary J. Blige at #35...women besides Beyonce are having it rough in R&B.

some dude, Friday, 17 April 2015 04:50 (1 month ago) Permalink

i dunno if we have a "race in music" thread or if this is it, so
http://clandesteen.tumblr.com/post/107484511963/dont-cash-crop-my-cornrows-a-crash-discourse-on
sorta sarkeesian-y but you could do plenty worse for a sixteen year old's assessment of the landscape

Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Friday, 17 April 2015 05:27 (1 month ago) Permalink

point of order that the dude who sings the hook on that wiz song is charlie puth, whose terrible meghan trainor collab 'marvin gaye' has been covered in the worst songs thread

maura, Friday, 17 April 2015 14:30 (1 month ago) Permalink

forks wtf

deej loaf (D-40), Friday, 17 April 2015 14:45 (1 month ago) Permalink

i'm really frightened that charlie puth might actually become a thing

dyl, Friday, 17 April 2015 15:59 (1 month ago) Permalink

are you offering some pushback

deej loaf (D-40), Friday, 17 April 2015 16:01 (1 month ago) Permalink

goddamit safari autocorrect ruined my brilliant pun

deej loaf (D-40), Friday, 17 April 2015 16:01 (1 month ago) Permalink

puthback

deej loaf (D-40), Friday, 17 April 2015 16:01 (1 month ago) Permalink

lol

dyl, Friday, 17 April 2015 16:02 (1 month ago) Permalink

deej wtf

Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Friday, 17 April 2015 16:11 (1 month ago) Permalink

i'm really frightened that charlie puth might actually become a thing

― dyl, Friday, April 17, 2015 11:59 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i've never known what "become a thing" really means, but especially now if singing a #1 pop hit doesn't count

some dude, Friday, 17 April 2015 17:46 (1 month ago) Permalink

"become a thing" = get his own thread on ilx

Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Friday, 17 April 2015 17:47 (1 month ago) Permalink

Macklemore & Ryan Lewis: a thing
Wanz: not a thing

da croupier, Friday, 17 April 2015 17:48 (1 month ago) Permalink

another example - LMFAO vs "Lauren Bennett and Goonrock"

da croupier, Friday, 17 April 2015 17:49 (1 month ago) Permalink

yeah i wouldn't worry too much about charlie pluth becoming a thing

J0rdan S., Friday, 17 April 2015 18:16 (1 month ago) Permalink

i dunno Sam Smith primed America for more simpering cry-singing

some dude, Friday, 17 April 2015 18:33 (1 month ago) Permalink

charlie puth is way more marketable (and in more of a catbird seat, in that song) than lauren bennett or goonrock

katherine, Friday, 17 April 2015 18:46 (1 month ago) Permalink

also more punchable

example (crüt), Friday, 17 April 2015 19:01 (1 month ago) Permalink

oh i wasn't saying charlie puth is or isn't a potential thing (i think i'll let info about this guy come to me rather than seek it out), i was just trying to clarify how one could be "not a thing" and on a #1 hit

da croupier, Friday, 17 April 2015 19:12 (1 month ago) Permalink

oh god i just looked up charlie puth on google

damn my curiosity

da croupier, Friday, 17 April 2015 19:15 (1 month ago) Permalink

the lead singer from Magic! doesn't seem to have become a thing so lets not overestimate america's long term taste for punchable things

deej loaf (D-40), Friday, 17 April 2015 19:15 (1 month ago) Permalink

charlie bluth

deej loaf (D-40), Friday, 17 April 2015 19:16 (1 month ago) Permalink

i still haven't ruled out the possibility that Charlie Puth is just a hilarious Andy Samberg character

some dude, Friday, 17 April 2015 19:16 (1 month ago) Permalink

while i'm proud america has shunned at least three potential follow-up singles to rude i wouldn't count those dudes out until the follow-up album tanks

da croupier, Friday, 17 April 2015 19:19 (1 month ago) Permalink

if they were just some lucky nudniks who stumbled onto a novelty hit i'd say they were toast, but the singer is a successful pro songwriter and pretty immersed in the biz. this feels like saying candyman in the mirror, but there's still the possibility of "featuring Nasri" becoming a thing.

da croupier, Friday, 17 April 2015 19:24 (1 month ago) Permalink

aaaaaaaaaagh no no no no shut up shut up

DJP, Friday, 17 April 2015 19:27 (1 month ago) Permalink

*says it three times while looking at billboard on my computer, annoying lyrical hook comes out of screen and kills me*

da croupier, Friday, 17 April 2015 19:31 (1 month ago) Permalink

it's such a truly unknowable crapshoot who survives and thrives and who doesn't in the music industry
talent, money, connections, looks, originality, experience, past performance; nothing is a tell-tale indicator of success
the only thing that ever seems to work is hitching a ride on the zeitgeist but how the fuck do you plan that

Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Friday, 17 April 2015 19:32 (1 month ago) Permalink

is recording vocals using an earbud as your monitor a "thing"?

example (crüt), Friday, 17 April 2015 19:48 (1 month ago) Permalink

30 years ago a child would kick a ball on the street.

some dude, Friday, 17 April 2015 19:48 (1 month ago) Permalink

he looks like if you took all the New Kids and morphed them into one face

da croupier, Friday, 17 April 2015 19:49 (1 month ago) Permalink

and then punched him in the nose a whole lot.

Eric H., Friday, 17 April 2015 19:51 (1 month ago) Permalink

there is one immediately telling difference between charlie and nasri though

katherine, Friday, 17 April 2015 20:07 (1 month ago) Permalink

(gestures to thread title)

katherine, Friday, 17 April 2015 20:07 (1 month ago) Permalink

(nasri is palestinian and not black, but the people choosing who gets to be the teen dream -- and the audiences who fall in line behind them, they're not off the hook -- are more likely to do so for someone who looks like charlie puth)

katherine, Friday, 17 April 2015 20:10 (1 month ago) Permalink

this week "earned it" becomes, with "happy" and "all of me", one of the three songs since 2010 to have gone #1 in all-format radio play (http://www.billboard.com/charts/radio-songs) that broke r&b radio before pop radio rather than the other way around. 2010 is the year when rihanna's "what's my name" was the only such song to do the same. (from 2009 going back to the first full year that billboard's hot 100 airplay chart was tracking an all-format panel [1999] several such songs would pull it off.)

dyl, Thursday, 30 April 2015 20:54 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

*'several such songs would pull it off each year' i should say

dyl, Thursday, 30 April 2015 20:55 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

*tears for Trap Queen*

longneck, Thursday, 30 April 2015 21:09 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Wait, how did this T-Wayne song suddenly enter at #17? Is it a thing?

longneck, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 17:41 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

vine

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 5 May 2015 17:46 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

also kylie jenner's instagram appears to be the smoking gun of what boosted it that high

some dude, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 18:00 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

t-wayne signed a deal w/ 300 entertainment just like fetty wap so the radio play will prob start catching up any minute now...

dyl, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 18:05 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Wow

longneck, Tuesday, 5 May 2015 18:15 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Educate me on T-wayne

, Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:15 (5 days ago) Permalink

Check out D-wops of Jupiter

polyphonic, Thursday, 21 May 2015 18:18 (5 days ago) Permalink


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