1980'S ROCK POLL ALBUMS/TRACKS VOTING THREAD. (Voting closes September 20) (all welcome to vote inc Lurkers)

I've got my tracks ballot more or less sorted, need to whittle the LPs down. I usually find ranking tracks more difficult but I did this one by gut instinct.

i get the feeling metal wont be anywhere near the dominant genre here

Are you expecting indie rock to dominate? I think metal and prog will probably be well-represented on my ballot. Nothingface will likely make the top 5.

Straight-ahead punk rock and hardcore (excluding stuff like early emo or Fugazi or Husker Du) will get the least representation. I'm actually a little curious how that stuff will place.

I'll vote for Crass and Nomeansno too. So maybe I'm making false distinctions. I'm thinking of, I dunno, Agent Orange or Social Distortion or 7 Seconds or something, none of whom I know well. Maybe they're all awesome.

They are great,but like Swans, people are split between early stuff and later 80s material. Unlike Swans though, most of the90s stuff is shit. Though I still like Independent Worm Saloon, but it wasn't as good as the preceding albums.

― VOTE in the 1980's ROCK POLL PLEASE! (Algerian Goalkeeper)

ot, but listened to the whole buttholes catalog a few times recently and find that i like independent worm saloon a hell of a lot more now than i ever did back then. at the time, i objected to its slickness and accessibility, the way it ditched all the butthole's experimental and most of their oddball tendencies in favor of burly alt-nation metalpunk. funny thing is that i'd always wanted them to do a whole album of stuff like "human cannonball" and "fast". indie hypocrisy at its finest.

like so many albums of the early CD era, it's way too long, but the best tracks are fucking great, and it's definitely leary's best showcase as blues rock guitarist. "the wooden song"! and it's great to finally have a studio version of "strawberry". would definitely vote for it in a 90s version of this poll.

Straight-ahead punk rock and hardcore (excluding stuff like early emo or Fugazi or Husker Du) will get the least representation. I'm actually a little curious how that stuff will place.

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, September 3, 2012 11:23 AM (4 minutes ago)

i probably won't vote for anything that isn't A) played really fucking fast and B) pop as fuck

It's hard to say but yeah I expect indie rock like SY/The Cure/REM etc to be top 10. So top half it will dominate .
Metal and hardcore might do best in the lower reaches. Can see a lot of it there. The length of the list depends on how many ballots we get.

Will be interesting to see if the Foetus/Death In June/Coil/Current 93/EN type voters show up. So far I dont see any of it showing up judging by participants in the poll and I get the feeling fans of those bands wont click on the thread "oh its just rock indie or metal"

Maybe if some of us revived threads on those bands it might help?
Still, you cant force anyone to open threads. I'm sure there's a lot of poll fatigue around.

Still think we will get good results and the more who vote the better they will be, especially fans of those smaller cult lesser known/talked about bands.

I did post on the foetus thread alerting them.

but my idea of "pop" and "fast" may be nonstandard

We'll both vote for "The Tower" though so it's all good.

2xpost It would be very funny if REM topped this poll.

would definitely vote for it in a 90s version of this poll.

Maybe in spring I will consider that. 90s is my era though so It would be murder to even cut a shortlist to 100.

I havent seen the ballots so have no idea what it looks like but i fully expect Daydream nation/Pornography/Isnt Anything to be the top 3. Dunno bout order though.

But who knows!!! That's why it's important everyone votes.

I'll feel a little ill if the the Cure makes the top 10 of this poll.

*the Cure

would be lols if someone like the butthole surfers or Big Black or bad Brains won. I would approve if they did haha

Will my fellow Dü fans get out in numbers?

Oh yeah and Daydream Nation and Double Nickels will be 1 & 2. Then the other 2.
The Fall fans might show up too.

Tracks I have no fucking idea

like so many albums of the early CD era, it's way too long, but the best tracks are fucking great

I like how "Alcohol" still ends up sounding like LSD.

I dragged my feet getting around to listening to the Butthole Surfers. I was just annoyed by the name and graphics at the time (not sure why I singled them out in particular since there were plenty of other bands I listened to with a similar image). Even when I heard tracks I liked, I didn't follow up; and then even after I saw them live and liked it (probably around 90/91), I still took my time. Then I listened to them a whole bunch in 92-93/4. (In some ways that's the point where I definitively cut down on listening to rock of any sort (not out of principle, just disinterest), so until pretty recently--mid-last-decade--they were the last rock band I got into in a big way.)

I don't think they get enough credit nowadays. When i got into music in the early 90s them and Husker Du and The Replacements were godlike.

Which probably meansthe poll will be a mix of bands who were important to people at the time and then bands who have survived/joined the 'canon' for young people to discover.

I never liked/got Husker Du except for their Eight Miles High (which is one of my favorite things ever) and their cover of "Ticket to Ride." I must not have known anyone into the Replacements, because I hardly remember hearing about them much at the time (while, on the other hand, knowing someone who had everything by Husker Du and Sonic Youth, and some others), though I like exactly one of their songs. So much of my listening was dictated by terrestrial radio at that point, so it could be hit and miss. (Maybe I was just always out of the room when certain bands were announced?)

Eight Miles High

Which WKDU in Philadelphia used to play every fifteen minutes, at that time.

I asked earlier about How about the Coil/Current 93/Nurse With Wound/Death In June/Young Gods/Swans/Foetus/Einsturzende Neubauten albums.

They were nominated by some so where's the discussion on them?
Do they not feel ROCK enough to you guys?

I guess Swans have been discussed. I'll rep for Young Gods any day of the week. They were my 1st ever gig (with Laika supporting)

nominations from the alleged non-rock division of the poll:

http://open.spotify.com/user/1234500846/playlist/1AzmE0WHNhtp78LpnPn3gQ

tracklist:

1) 8 Eyed Spy - Lazy in Love
2) Bad Brains - Don’t Need It
3) Band of Susans - Hope Against Hope
4) Band of Susans - No God
5) Bauhaus - Dark Entries
6) Birthday Party - Swampland
7) Bitch Magnet - Knucklehead
8) Black Flag - I’ve Got to Run
9) Black Flag - In My Head
10) Black Flag - My War
11) Black Flag - Out of This World
12) Black Flag - What I See
13) Cows - Sugar
14) Crash Course in Science - Cardboard Lamb
15) Crash Course in Science - Factory Forehead
16) Dead Kennedys - Holiday in Cambodia
17) Die Kreuzen - Man in the Trees
18) Einsturzende Neubauten - Tanz Debil
19) Feedtime - If You Can’t
20) Feedtime - More than Love
21) Feedtime - Pulling a Line
22) Feedtime - Rock ‘n Roll
23) Flipper - Ever
24) Glenn Branca - Lesson No. 1
25) Glenn Branca - Structure
26) Godflesh - Avalanche Master Song
27) Godflesh - Streetcleaner
28) Gore - Last Steps
29) Helmet - Rumble
30) Honor Role - Lives of the Saints #135 (Naked Wife)
31) Killing Joke - The Wait
32) Laughing Hyenas - Gabriel
33) Meat Puppets - In a Car
34) Minor Threat - Filler
35) Minor Threat - I Don’t Want to Hear It
36) Minor Threat - Seeing Red
37) Minutemen - Boy Dylan Wrote Propaganda Songs
38) Misfits - Earth A.D.
39) Misfits - She
40) Morbid Angel - Maze of Torment
41) Naked Raygun - I Don’t Know
42) Public Image Ltd. - Banging the Door
43) Public Image Ltd. - Flowers of Romance
44) Scraping Foetus off the Wheel - Clothes Hoist
45) Scraping Foetus off the Wheel - Pigswill
46) Scratch Acid - She Said
47) Slayer - Behind the Crooked Cross
48) Sonic Youth - Brother James
49) Sonic Youth - Death to Our Friends
50) Sonic Youth - Flower
51) Sonic Youth - Inhuman
52) SPK - Slogun
53) Suicidal Tendencies - Possessed
54) Swans - Half Life
55) Swans - Right Wrong
56) Swans - Thank You
57) The Flesh Eaters - Divine Horsemen (live)
58) Virgin Prunes - Come to Daddy
59) White Zombie - Ratmouth
60) X - The Hungry Wolf
61) Young Gods - Pas Mal
62) Zeni Geva - Blackout
63) Zeni Geva - War Pig

/shameless campaigning (the last time I'll post this, I promise)

Will be interesting to see what Meat Puppets album comes out on top.
Same with Big Black.

Janes Addiction could do well. No vote splitting to worry about.

(Of course I immediately jumped to stuff like this which was not particularly far from rock (and obviously partly influenced by it), really, though more rhythmically mind-blowing to me.)

What age are you?

Soon to be 47. :(

I listened to "Silver Rocket" and "100%" on headphones this morning. Right away, the drums and vocals sound clearer and crisper on "100%". Generally, higher frequency response seems better. Also, the individual parts are more clearly separated and spatialized.

I wonder if there's a mastering problem with the currently in-print versions of DN. The snare drum is really distorted.

Anyway, as I mentioned, Goo was done in part at the same studio with the same producer and I think parts of that are where they really nail that sound. Dirty has a wider frequency range, but the high frequency response sounds hyper-real to me - like if I heard those guitars in a room, they wouldn't sound like that. I'd be curious to know what the comparison is between the mid-range output on Goo and Dirty.

Will my fellow Dü fans get out in numbers?

ime Husker Du wins or dominates pretty much any ilx poll it's an option in. which has always bewildered me since growing up they seemed like the least interesting of the big SST bands (as well as the least popular among my friends)

I dunno, Double Nickels always beats them. It wins every poll it's in.

I wonder if there's a mastering problem with the currently in-print versions of DN. The snare drum is really distorted.

Maybe this is it! I especially noticed this on the drums. I've never heard the original vinyl.

well i didn't say HD will have the #1 album or song. but they'll prob have a shitload of high placements in both, definitely more than the Minutemen.

Listening more, I think Goo might even go too far. A track "Disappearer" feels at first like it has a nice amount of high-end output, but I end up thinking that the comfortable range of Daydream Nation is being stretched.

I keep thinking of the third Velvet Underground album. No one's going to wish for more high end on that - there's plenty. And yet, there's something really comfortable about the whole range of sound.

I only have DN on original vinyl. Not heard the remastered cd.

I keep thinking of the third Velvet Underground album. No one's going to wish for more high end on that - there's plenty. And yet, there's something really comfortable about the whole range of sound.

I agree that this album sounds great, better than either Daydream Nation or Goo.

(at least the CD of Daydream Nation)

the old cd or remaster?

The Geffen CD release, not the Blast First CD or the 2007 deluxe edition. It's the only one I've ever known.

Is the deluxe 2cd edition worth picking up?

Or indeed any of the reissues?

And does anyone want to talk about How about the Coil/Current 93/Nurse With Wound/Death In June/Young Gods/Swans/Foetus/Einsturzende Neubauten albums?

BTW I'm going to be doing the roll-out for the tracks results, so if I could be kept in the loop on whats going on in that dept. It would be very nice so I can get my a/v "materials" together as soon as clear trends develop.

Also, quick question -- would people rather have me post a youtube embed w/ the results or a link?

Its spotify links ,youtube links are fine in addition but no embeds

As far as I could tell when I was voting, only Current 93 got shortchanged in the album nominations dept. and that was probably my fault.

I'm kind of lollin' at the idea that basically every album Einsturzende Neubauten cut in the 80s was nominated... looking at the list it was kind of like: so this is what people love from the 80s... Blag Flag, Minor Threat, Husker Du, Sonic Youth and... Einsturzende Neubauten!!!

yeah but will they get votes? theres always one band gets loads of noms but only 1 vote

thanks viceroy btw thats a weight off my mind. Its a lot of work doing the rollouts with spotify/youtube links. Im not sure i coulda handled both rollouts

Well I doubt EN or DIJ will place, I don't know about the rest but I wouldn't be surprised if they don't show up and the only industrial in the results is Killing Joke and Ministry.

(you are very welcome, this hopefully will be fun and not that stressful!)

NIN will show up.

top 10 maybe

I forgot about that pretty little hate machine...

There's just some albums that wont get much chat but everyone knows will place very high.

seandalai how many ballots do we have?

I must remind everyone that if you voted for N.W.A. the vote will not be counted for them.

lol keep layin down the law tough guy

All NWA votes should actually be counted towards Warrant's final total.

haha that would really please the voters

first poll i've ever felt compelled to vote in. sheer torture narrowing it down to 50.

All NWA votes should actually be counted towards Warren G's final total.

stirmonster i feel your pain

It'll be tricky trying to rank the relative merits of Blind Idiot God and Journey.

how did you manage?

I don't know. I haven't done it yet!

This is commonly my problem with polls though, unless they're e.g. artist polls. (No dis to your poll!)

Then do it! Don't be like DJP who nominates then cba voting!

I think we have 21 album ballots and 13 tracks ballots btw so please everyone vote and big thanks to those who voted!

Looking back on it, I missed out on the gimmick of up to 80 votes

Hey, there are still 2.5 weeks to listen to albums before voting. No need to rush this.

Like, I do intend to submit a ballot.

ballot submitted.

How do people think the Pixies will do? I'm not sure about critical consensus on them these days. I would expect Surfer Rosa to do well, possibly top ten?

How do people think the Pixies will do? I'm not sure about critical consensus on them these days. I would expect Surfer Rosa to do well, possibly top ten?

I'd think so, Doolittle will place somewhere too though personally I'm conflicted about voting for it - I love the album but I don't think of it as a rocking rock arecord as such (whereas Surfer Rosa seems just the right side of the line).

I know what you mean. Albini's production certainly gives Surfa Rosa some extra oomph. I suppose they're on of those bands that are perennially popular as well.

I'd be shocked if they didn't make top 10.

Remember you can post/view youtubes on
1980s Rock (With a difference) Tracks/Albums Poll YOUTUBE COMPANION THREAD

stirmonster and everyone else thanks for your votes. Please keep them coming.

Actually Stirmonster I am glad you're here. I know you're the man to answer the earlier question.

"How about the Coil/Current 93/Nurse With Wound/Death In June/Young Gods/Swans/Foetus/Einsturzende Neubauten albums?"

The only one i dont know there is Einsturzende Neubauten
the others I only know the albums nominated. What else by those acts should we all listen to?

My two favourite Neubaiten albums nominated are Halber Mensch (which is the best of the early, noisy stuff) and Haus der Luge (which is the gateway into the later, more contemplative stuff and really kind of foly - especially Ein Stuhl in der Holle).

Seriously though, this poll is impossible.

You can do it. It is really funny seeing 1 group of ilxors struggling to make a ballot and another group sweating blood and tears over cutting down the shortlist to get 50.

I so wish I had done the 80 votes thing.

btw nakhs new d/n is terrific.

Not a chance. I have just tried shortlisting the albums again and got it below 300 for the first time.

You can do it!

first try cutting to down to 1 per artist. Then try cutting down a bit to x amounts per genre. Then try sticking the tail on the donkey or something

Sorry to keep harping on the Butthole Surfers, but I just wanted to add I never really associated them with the bands who got lumped together as "lo fi," although I don't think I realize that lo fi was a thing until fairly late.

Also, I remember gareth (does he still post here--I have no idea what his name is these days if so) discovering them years ago and seemingly being surprised by how interesting they were in terms of pure sound. I don't know, I may be misremembering this. They were much more of an experimental and psychedelic band than some might guess. (I think I may have expected them to be narrowly hardcore punk back before I'd heard anything by them.)

"How about the Coil/Current 93/Nurse With Wound/Death In June/Young Gods/Swans/Foetus/Einsturzende Neubauten albums?"

i didn't vote for any Death In June, but NWW, Neubauten, Coil, Swans and Foetus all feature prominently in my top 20 albums and 3 of them are in my top 5. C93 and Young Gods also feature lower down. i ended up missing out some albums i love by these acts more than albums by other people so my poll wasn't dominated by a just few artists. i'm guessing the upper echelons of this poll will all be records i've never heard.

buttholes, birthday party / cave, big black, ministry, skinny puppy, and sonic youth also getting a lot of love from me.

heh I knew which Ministry album would be your favourite.

Some of those acts you mention should be in the top half of the poll too. It should be an interesting mix results wise.

I suppose if some metal makes it; that would be the stuff you don't know?

wait aldo you don't mean literally 300 albums in your shortlist do you

he had 400 the other day. He cried buckets over cutting down from that.

oy vey

i reckon i have heard about 80 of those albums, but then most of those were recorded before i was born

They were all recorded after I was born but most of them I did not hear in the 80s.

(Also the channeling of TV/radio evangelists: "He knows all our needs. . ." I'm not going to lie, that makes me laugh.)

yup, the only metal i know (apart from the very odd slayer and metallica track) is the NWOBHM stuff listed. i had about 250 albums and a similar number of tracks in my initial list that i had to whittle down to 50. i ended up getting completely obsessed with it and stayed up 'til 6am doing this. ha!

heh I knew which Ministry album would be your favourite.

indeed. it didn't get the no. 1 spot though.

I wonder if Dog Latin can find any 'Deconstructionist' Music in these nominations hehe. It does seem an 80s thing. Of course I do not have any knowledge of Jacques Derrida so have no idea really what DL's on about, but does NWW count?

stirmonster you and aldo really make me regret not doing the 100 votes (that is what we used in the all-time metal poll and I think last years jazz poll I ran was the same).
I didn't think there was enough nominations compared to previous polls so thought I'd be the only one who did a top 100. Oh well..

Yeah that Ministry album we're talking about, I checked it out because of you posting about it years and years ago on ILM. It was the only one I hadn't heard and it blew me away. it made me appreciate the direction they kept taking. Going a bit further each time; though I realise that was a less interesting direction for you.

well post the longer lists afterwards anyway

I don't understand deconstructionism (cue: "nobody understand deconstructionism" type joke), but I'm confident it's not whatever dog latin was talking about.

I'm still stalling out in the middle of Kant's Critique of Pure Reason after all these years. I'm never going to make it.

Recommend me music which reflects the paralogisms of pure reason.

dog latin was posting about some imaginary genre-category he had dreamed up, while borrowing a name from a a totally different field that he admitted to never haing actually read about

it's part of the reason dog latin is and always will be one of the best ilm posters

Yeah that Ministry album we're talking about, I checked it out because of you posting about it years and years ago on ILM. It was the only one I hadn't heard and it blew me away. it made me appreciate the direction they kept taking. Going a bit further each time; though I realise that was a less interesting direction for you.

cool! i LOVE the two albums that followed it but then lost interest.

yeah nothing to stop people posting their longlists after the results in the post your ballots thread. That is a highlight for a lot of people as they love checking out ballots so why not longlists?

ps stirmonster I have a reputation for doing large roll-outs (ie not restricted to 100 albums) because I believe that the smaller unknown albums lower down deserve their 15 mins. If I do a top 50 or a top 100 then post full results, that period in time during the run out where someone clicks the Spotify link is lost, as it wont happen to the same extent when just posting full lists. And certainly the discussion between the albums is lost too.
For me the order of results are irrelevant it's about introducing new music to ilxors who haven't heard it.
I love seeing the excitement of ilxors discovering great albums for the first time. That is job done for me. And I feel a longer rollout does that best. A lot of others like it too, those who dont and just want their taste confirmed in the consensus at the top of the poll can join in later.

Already on this thread I've seen excited posts about discovering Candlemass , Saint Vitus & Trouble. That is why I urge people to talk about bands and albums rather than just voting and waiting. Stan for those tracks and albums, it means others will check them out and probably give them a vote. I want to introduce people (inc myself!) to music I haven't heard. So lets share!

Isn't that the point?

Stirmonster It was Filth Pig where I lost interest. Dunno if it will sound better now (compared to what came after) but after the run of amazing albums they had, it sure pissed me off at the time.

ahh nakh, I didn't realise that's what it was. I remember Scritti Politti/Derrida discussions on early ILM and I thought that was what he was after. Not actual deconstruction rock music.
It was an interesting idea though so yes Dog Latin is a very valuable poster on ILM.

Still, there was a lot of really good music mentioned on it. I love any excuse to talk about Don Cab.

I voted, mostly for industrial and metal. But hey it's there.

Thank you! We want a good mix and those are bound to be under-represented genres, so that's great!

Interesting since I'd consider the 80s the worst decade for heavy rock if you don't include metal. I'd think this would be redundant to include metal, since that poll was already covered. I guess I'll put metal albums in my ballot otherwise I won't be able to come up with enough. Especially since a lot of what I'd choose are not on the ballot. My fault, I was consumed with my migration to database project and missed that whole thread. But here's what I'd have included:

Riot - Fire Down Under
Billy Squier – Don't Say No
Kreator – Terrible Certainty
Bad Brains - Quickness
Raven - All For One
Raven – Rock Till You Drop
More – Blood & Thunder
Raven - Wiped Out
Loudness – Law Of Devil’s Land
Overdrive – Swords and Axes
Tygers Of Pan Tang – Spellbound
Mudhoney - Mudhoney
UFO – The Wild, The Willing And The Innocent
Blue Oyster Cult - Fire Of Unknown Origin
Thin Lizzy - Renegades
UFO - Mechanix
Rainbow – Bent Out Of Shape
UFO – No Place To Run
Angel City – Dark Room
Thin Lizzy – Chinatown
Billy Squier – The Tale Of The Tape
Angel City – Face To Face
Kreator – Extreme Agression
Manowar – Hail To England
Manowar – Battle Hymns
Anvil – Metal On Metal
Whitesnake – Saints & Sinners
Accept – Restless And Wild
Anvil – Forged In Fire

But hey, at least there's Loverboy ;)

Chuck stole his log-in!

I am not offended! As I was eating lunch and blood resumed flowing to my brain, I realized this is not necessarily a heavy rock poll, just rock. I guess I'll have to reconsider my ballot, as I have a particular bias towards a lot of post-punk!

I have tried to make clear to people it's not a metal poll since I know lots of people might assume it is because I run metal polls, but I don't want metal to be ignored. A nice good mix of great albums in many styles would be great!

"I'm on Heat " for this but am a "Shadow" of my former self when it comes to using my shitty Macbook. Is there an easy way to edit down? copy and paste in google and delete from there.
I'm a very thick man.

I blame it on a part of a brain that has forced the whole of it to listen to shit depressing music for thirty years plus

I'm not sure what you're asking but you can copy & paste the nominations to notepad or whatever and work your way down the list and copy and paste albums or tracks you feel you want to vote for. And if you have more than 50 then delete the ones you might think aren't quite as important to vote foras others until you get down to 50.

Then you need to decide whether you want to order them
(weighted ballot) 1 -50 (do not put numbers on voting form)
(Unweighted ballot) just list 50 albums or tracks and give them all equal points
(split ballot) Rank some then have the rest given equal remaining points.

Yeah, with metal and post-punk, 80s weren't so bad, heh. A few missing things I was surprised at, like Buzzcocks, Gang Of Four, Comsat Angels, Magazine, Eleventh Dream Day, Chameleons, Hoodoo Gurus, Hunters & Collectors, and a couple albums by X and The Birthday Party, but otherwise pretty much covered.

Comsat Angels are in there

The Comsat Angels - Sleep No More
The Comsat Angels - Waiting For A Miracle

were nominated

if you guys look on the husker du thread there are rumours about reissues.

Which should please some of you. There's lots of unreleased tracks in bootleg form so I hope they make it onto bonus discs. There's good demos around too.

I have about 10gb of live bootlegs so i dont really need anymore live material haha

Another 2 ballots today, thanks!

Keep em coming!

Aldo you cut your list down yet?

Only by another 20 or so. Can't be done.

you can do it

i have.

DOING THIS

i think it's going to be pretty easy, tbh. the trick is to only vote for things you like.

did i not nominate fucking "right brigade"?!?

apparently i didn't. wtf, me?

but i did nominate the cosmic psychos "lost cause", which is approximately a billion times better than the only other cosmic psychos song nominated, but it's now to late to do anything about it, so boo fucking hoo.

should have checked the updates to make sure everything i nommed got included :(

yes you should have! Why didn't you?

uh, i also nominated the lime spiders "out of control", which didn't get included in the list, though "weirdo libido" (nominated a few minutes later) did. fuck this. that's one of the tracks i was most looking forward to voting for.

cuz i've nominated tons of stuff for other polls over the years and haven't had to?

i mean, i only really blame myself, but i'm bummed nonetheless

at least it means you can cut the shortlist down easier?

and it's not like there aren't a ton of other tracks for me to vote for

lol yeah

gonna go stick em in the youtube thread for memorial purposes

Does anyone click on that thread and watch youtubes?

I watched all the Youtubes you posted.

Wooooo! I do wonder if anyone else does though.

jon forget politics and post in here instead dude!

Where's the Albini fans? Expected more big black chat and the nick cave fans.

Billy Dods good news we got your vote this time!

viceroy any news on the spotify list for albums?

I HOPE YOU'RE HAPPY NOW

I was reading the Big Black chapter in Our Band Could Be Your Life this very morning. Nothing like some misanthropy to get your day off to a good start. Anyway, Atomizer and Songs About Fucking will both feature in my ballot, and so will Two Nuns and a Pack Mule (probably).

Thanks guys!

I think someone sent a webmail by a name I don't recognise but there's no way to reply as there's no email. Presumably they read this thread.

well this poll certainly made me dig out all my Husker Du albums again! Flip your Wig is still the best of them imo

Sometimes It can be my fave, as its the one I listen to most often these days. With Husker Du & Sonic Youth they have so many great albums ,that it does happen sometimes my current fave can change. I'm sure Some Dude's fave SY changes.

either murray street or sister are my fave sy albums

I've got the hardback version of this with a different cover
http://www.fromahighhorse.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/our-band-could-be-your-life.jpg

I'm sure Some Dude's fave SY changes.

― VOTE in the 1980's ROCK POLL PLEASE! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, September 6, 2012 4:33 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark

DN has been my default favorite probably since i first heard it. but my top 5 or top 10 has shuffled over time and has often been too close to call.

anyone here read 'try' by dennis cooper? the main protagonist is a sexually abused (by his two gay dads) teen called Ziggy who is obsessed with Husker Du and publishes a fanzine called "I Apologize". its quite disturbing but powerful.

got both my tracks and albums lists down to the mid 50s. having a really hard time pulling the trigger on the last few cuts though...

were any of them a drummer?
xp

Aldo tell us how you cut your shortlist.

cut a lot of my favorites early on cuz i know i'd be the only one voting for them :(

OK... I got them down under 100 by absolutely getting down to the things I would vote in top 10. Then pasted them into an Excel type programme (it was open office calc for me) starting in column b. Then I wrote in column a what number I would genuinely vote for them to be - in isolation, not with respect to anything else. Then sorted by column a and resorted then renumbered.

The end result was things I never would have thought of being cut got cut, but things I love ended up where they should have been. I'm actually pretty happy with how it ended up.

Contenderizer fancy trying that?

thinking about it. i'm already working in excel w multiple degree-of-affection columns, wouldn't hurt to add another...

I have office and no idea how to use it other than keep a track of my monthly CC spending. Which I guess is more important but I'd like to be able to do more if ever needed.

Although do not post ballots/reveal placings please do talk about the albums so that you can help boost them and others check them out. That's the point of the poll!

cut a lot of my favorites early on cuz i know i'd be the only one voting for them :(

putting aside the usual "pragmatic" considerations, why would you do this? my question springs less from naivete than curiosity about your take on voting this way.

I'm interested in the perceived stakes in having a liked track place over having a loved one not.

I suppose it's because they want to influence the poll rather than vote for something nobody else will and regret not having pushed something up several places by voting for it.

BUT THAT IS WHY YOU TALK ABOUT AND RECOMMEND ALBUMS ON HERE. Boostering works! You can't complain albums dont make it in the results if you didn't bother campaigning for them in this thread.

it's strictly pragmatic. i really love "candle opera" by claw hammer, even posted a video i made in the youtube thread, but i can't imagine that anyone else will vote for it no matter what i say or do. would rather devote a few points to something i genuinely like that could use the boost. "born too late", for instance...

sure, but what's the fallout from voting for "candle opera" and having it place near the bottom?

of course people want to influence the poll, but to what end? there are a few possible answers, but I'm looking for specifics.

xp

Then everyone who has voted or is making their list needs to answer you.

no, it's not an inquisition. obviously no one needs to answer me. it's a very simple question about the perceived meaning (in the context of ILM) of having one of your noms on the final list. it's not a vast, unsolvable mystery, just a point of curiosity.

well, a stone cast into a well that results in a slight change in ILM poll rankings can at least claim to have had an effect on the world. otherwise, it's nothing but the act of casting a stone into a well.

like, i probably wouldn't be typing these letters into a box unless i was fairly certain this message was gonna appear in this thread.

I'm just interested in the divergence between attempting to be a tastemaker and accurately representing oneself. I mean, everyone is going to be able to publish their ballots at the end of the poll, so even a wildly thrown stone is going to have an effect.

*ballot

I'm not trying to troll you, btw, or single you out, so w/e. nbd.

I think, from previous polls experience, that some ILXors always regret not giving points to an album that finished lower down than expected. However if you vote for your favourites and campaign on these threads for them, you might find unexpected albums/tracks making it.
Also remember that in previous polls I've gone beyond a top 100 (as long as enough people vote) so that these albums do do get in the rundown therefore voting for obscure favourites high up on your ballot combined with campaigning is not a pointless exercise after all.
I always find the lower reaches of lists to be by far the most interesting. My polls are not about who wins but what less unknown/obscure/cult albums get in the lower reaches.

But obviously you can vote as you please. There is no set way. Just please vote and campaign on the thread for albums/tracks.

There is a reason I sit here and talk about Candlemass,Trouble, Saint Vitus, Husker Du, Sonic Youth albums other than DN - it's to get people checking them out and maybe they will get some votes.

That's why I asked about Coil,C93,NWW,Foetus etc so people might chat about them and then get votes.

Oh and everyone please give Redd Kross votes!

I agree with your point about the more colorful lower reaches of the poll, hence my question about the the urge to push up liked tracks at the expense of (probably more interesting) beloved tracks that may not get voted for at all (and therefore not even be represented in these lower reaches).

*campaigns for seven churches*

whole album is on YouTube as one clip

it's not a mystery, just an interest in other perspectives on the poll.

xxp

If anyone wants to answer please do.

But what were the obscure albums people cut? we should talk about them. Maybe others might vote for them. That's why it might be worth discussing albums on the thread before voting.

There is a reason I sit here and talk about Candlemass,Trouble, Saint Vitus, Husker Du, Sonic Youth

yeah, but there's every reason to think those acts might place. they still seem interesting to a lot of ILXors. for whatever reason, the oddball/marginal garage rock stuff i like best is a much tougher sell.

nevertheless, you've convinced me. i'm gonna vote for all kinds of goof marginalia and see what happens.

i, i say, i say, uh, "goofball"

Well make sure you ,and everyone else, campaigns for that stuff. I want to get introduced to new music/introduce others to new music. Best way to do that is to talk about it.

Listened to Form Destroyer twice today. It's fantastic!

v. cool. you've just doubled the amount of votes it'll receive!

Not '80s, but definitely check out Xaman, too; it absolutely kills.

thats the spirit; told you campaigning works

maybe it's time for me to post my compilation of skullflower rarities again

Listened to Form Destroyer twice today. It's fantastic!

I completely forgot about both the '88 EP Birthdeath and the '90 CD Ruins, which compiles Form Destroyer, half of Birthdeath, and two other tracks.

Form Destroyer is far better than Birthdeath, so nbd over not nominating it.

always hated the mastering on the ruins CD

90s CDs in general are terrible.

I shoulda nommed skullflower's '89 shock 7" in tracks, oops

anyway, here's that comp

skullflower - ancient bloodless eye (1988 - 1992)

01 i live in the bottomless pit (1989 shock 7")
02 bo diddley's shitpump (1989 shock 7")
03 timebomb (1988 birthdeath 12")
04 rift (1990 majora 7")
05 avalanche (1990 majora 7")
06 rotten sun (1991 toejam 7")
07 spook rise (1991 toejam 7")
08 evil twin (1991 split 7" w/ m.t.t. on minus habens)
09 aquatic horrorshape (1992 shrine compilation)

http://www.mediafire.com/?pa3vtrfyvcjp3my

Awesome, thanks!

not familiar at all with Skullflower, thanks Edward!

Nice to see melvins and Skullflower fans about, i must say

skullflower hugely important to me in '89, think I might've done the first US interview for them back then?

And a former ilxor probably did the first UK interview with Melvins.

Actually does anyone remember when in the UK; Melvins first got written about? Was it along with Mudhoney ?

probably Everett True in the late 80's. ive never heard a note of Skullflower. better rectify that!

well I was assuming it was ET, just wasn't sure when.

from 88 - 92 skullflower were a nasty driven lo-fi psych rock band, then they dropped the rock part and spent 20 years making vaguely differentiated noise records

You know what; see when you guys talk about an album or two the next few ballots have those albums in their ballot. Coincidence? I think not.

Wonder if it would work for Zoogs Rift or Poison Idea.

spent 20 years making vaguely differentiated noise records

ha, yes, I believe "bottomless pit of artistic onanism" was the reference on the YouTube thread. thanx f/the comp, btw did you receive a text yest?

a text yest? no I don't think so?

pm sent.

ok lol so I know hellhouse irl

just fyi, I will hunt down anyone who doesn't rep a little industrial on their ballot

hellhouse just tell us who you are

I believe he is a house made of hell

djp anything in particular you wish people to check out and vote for?

I believe he is a house made of hell

^^^

oddly true.

pretty accurate tbh

just fyi, I will hunt down anyone who doesn't rep a little industrial on their ballot

I nommed Test Dept., SPK and Neubauten tracks, as well as a Test Dept. rec, or are you referring to the Skinny Puppy/KMFDM wing?

I'm referring to any and all; Test Dept and SPK are fucking bad-ass but I am big Skinny Puppy/KMFDM booster

djp loves all industrial including those with dodgy politics!

just fyi, I will hunt down anyone who doesn't rep a little industrial on their ballot

― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Friday, September 7, 2012 4:46 PM

umm. checks list.

phew.....

just not metal

xp

DJP, was any industrial played at your wedding?

*Imagines the Bridal dance to Mindphaser*

Willing to bet they had ...And This Is What The Devil Does.

is Pretty Hate Machine a get out of jail free card?

I think he meant more than 1 token album

I'm trying to remember what I voted for that means Dan will still speak to me.

Hysteria

Open Up And Say...Ahhh!

Slippery When Wet

Holy fucking shit, I'm scanning the remastered deluxe edition of Daydream Nation on iTunes. It sounds so phenomenally better than the 90s Geffen CD I'm used to that I'm a little in shock. The noise break on "Silver Rocket", which I'd thought of as lazy and lacklustre, has so much more detail to it.

The guitars are actually clear and distinct. The drums actually have some presence to them!

I was so excited that I bought it off iTunes instead of holding out for the CDs. Damn.

since we can't post youtubes itt, and as there hasn't been much discussion in the designated tube thread, i'm gonna do a little campaigning for a few forgotten favorites. if you want to hear any of this stuff, videos of most tracks have been posted here.

BAND OF SUSANS - HARD LIGHT
one of my favorite songs of the 80s. band of susans are remembered mostly for stomping guitar machine dance tracks like "hope against hope" and for the heavy metallic din they eventually tunneled into, which makes this yearning, careening pop song somewhat unique in their catalog. should at the very least have been a minor 120 minutes hit, but the band's brief moment had arguably passed by the time love agenda was released, and they buried it near the back anyway. at 2:43 half the layered noise drops out, and susan stenger sings: "i jerk awake, from the distant isle of sleep / dawn cracks, there's a hard light in place of your dreaming face." pins my hair back every time.

CLAW HAMMER - CANDLE OPERA
i'm not sure why i like this song as much as i do. it's more than a little ridiculous, with john wahl yowling like a cat in a lawnmower over greasy, brawling bar band blues rock. i remember being repulsed by it when i first picked up the single, and for a long time preferred "drop", the more agreeably punk-rocking b-side. but "candle opera" wouldn't leave me along. i found myself singing about "long long hair to his shoulders" and "eyes oh those penetrating eyes" as i went about my daily business. it's catchy, despite the grotesque surfaces, and the hairy-chested yawping seems to suit the subject matter. hippie satanists getting freaky in the basement under the laundromat.

DEAD MOON - DEAD MOON NIGHT
dead moon eventually became emblematic of rock as an ideal, and the romantic celebration of their endurance and purity sometimes eclipses the fact that they wrote some amazing goddam songs. "dead moon night" was their first real anthem, and i still think it's the best thing they ever did. like a lot of my favorites here, what i like best about it is the way the music and lyrics combine to create something electrifying that isn't fully present in either. i get chills when fred and toody's voices crack into one another on the chorus: "D for disaster, E for my eye, A for my anger, D before i die!" i don't know why it hits me like it does, but it does, every time.

I was very surprised by that Band of Susans song! That Youtube thread is getting pretty damn unwieldy. Maybe it's best for us to just rep for songs/albums here? Everyone knows how to find something on Youtube.

That's what I've been saying! Rep for albums and tracks here but dont embed youtubes here, embed them on that thread.

Tim, were you saying that the snare drum sounds better on the original vinyl than even on the remastered digital version (of DN)?

stomping guitar machine dance tracks like "hope against hope"

thank you, contenderizer, for generously repping for this song as well. the world needs more stomping guitar machine dance tracks, tbh.

this v. cool track can be heard here:

ILM 80s Rock Playlist/Tracks

http://open.spotify.com/user/1234500846/playlist/1PUCleswca5SrhrBqNMOuD

Band Of Susans are awesome. I picked up a couple of lp's second hand in the 90s due to the page hamilton connection.

Trying to pick my votes has got me wanting to go dig out my old Black Flag mp3s. The song of theirs I can most clearly remember is "Spraypaint" and Hank's growling makes my hair stand up on end a little.

I'd like to rep for Nomeansno's Wrong, one of the most focused and intimidating punk albums I've ever heard. It's got all the threat of violence and chaos of classic 70s punk, but channeled into rehearsed, tight musicianship and thoughtful lyrics. And they eschew conventional sonic structures, playing odd times, sudden tempo shifts, and seamless jazz breaks. "Tired of Waiting" is like a lit fuse, and then the explosion is a single spoken sentence.

Hey Tom, welcome to ILM. You need to check out more Hüsker Dü and I know Butthole Surfers will be right up your alley.
You like Big Black , don't you?

I actually haven't heard any Big Black, although I do like Shellac. I am liking Hüsker Dü more and more as I hear them, eg. "Turn On the News" is great.

Must be thinking of Dan; you should borrow his records.

Hi Tom! :)

I will be voting for all of the Nick Cave and Birthday Party, sometime over the next couple of weeks. I started trying to put together a shortlist yesterday and crikeymoses this one's a lot harder than I thought!

Had my first flypast at both albums and songs. Weirdly, I've got to edit down from 107 on each.

^ I was a massive Huskers fan (where do I find the umlauts) and always found Turn on The News too erm, straight, untwisted rock. (Like Mould today going by the latest on first listen, although "Turn On.." could've been a Hart) ? That said, I know it's one of their hits

Did you see the Aussie rolling stone list posted way upthread?
xp

Rolling Stone - The 100 Greatest Albums Of The 80s
Special Issue 1990

N.B. This List Is From The Australian Edition Of The Magazine And Had The Us List At The Back Of The Magazine. I Have Listed The Us Albums First, With Any Changes In The Australian List In Brackets Next To It.

1. London Calling - The Clash
2. Purple Rain - Prince & The Revolution
3. The Joshua Tree - U2
4. Remain In Light - Talking Heads
5. Graceland - Paul Simon
6. Born In The U.S.A. - Bruce Springsteen
7. Thriller - Michael Jackson
8. Murmur - Rem / (Circus Animals - Cold Chisel)
9. Shoot Out The Lights - Richard And Linda Thompson /(Diesel And Dust - Midnight Oil)
10. Tracy Chapman - Tracy Chapman
11. Get Happy - Elvis Costello & The Attractions
12. It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us - Public Enemy / (Kick - Inxs)
13. Diesel And Dust - Midnight Oil / (Human Frailty - Hunters & Collectors)
14. So - Peter Gabriel
15. Let It Be - The Replacements / (True Colours - Split Enz)
16. 1999 - Prince / (Post - Paul Kelly)
17. Synchronicity - The Police
18. Dirty Mind - Prince
19. New York - Lou Reed
20. Pretenders - Pretenders
21. Rain Dogs - Tom Waits
22. The Smiths - The Smiths / (Crowded House - Crowded House)
23. Red - Black Uhuru / (The Smiths - The Smiths)
24. Los Angeles - X / (16 Lovers Lane - The Go-Betweens)
25. Tunnel Of Love - Bruce Springsteen
26. Back In Black - Ac/Dc
27. Appetite For Destruction - Guns 'N' Roses
28. Control - Janet Jackson
29. Double Fantasy - John Lennon & Yoko Ono
30. How Will The Wolf Survive? - Los Lobos
31. Avalon - Roxy Music
32. Uh-Huh - John Cougar Mellencamp
33. Zen Arcade - Husker Du / (Prayers On Fire - The Birthday Party)
34. Tattoo You - The Rolling Stones
35. Kill Em All - Metallica
36. Rapture - Anita Baker / (Eliminator - Zz Top)
37. Midnight Love - Marvin Gaye
38. Imperial Bedroom - Elvis Costello & The Attractions / (Lovetown - Stephen Cummings)
39. Eliminator - Zz Top / (Rapture - Anita Baker)
40. War - U2
41. Document - Rem
42. Strong Persuader - The Robert Cray Band
43. Nebraska - Bruce Springsteen
44. Oh Mercy - Bob Dylan
45. Daydream Nation - Sonic Youth
46. Peter Gabriel - Peter Gabriel (Third Solo Album - 1980)
47. Private Dancer - Tina Turner
48. Skylarking - Xtc / (Quasimodo's Dream - The Reels)
49. Crazy Rhythms - The Feelies / (Cats And Dogs - Mental As Anything)
50. Madonna - Madonna
51. Run Dmc - Run Dmc
52. Making Movies - Dire Straights
53. Bring The Family - John Hiatt / (Born Sandy Devotional - The Triffids)
54. Speaking In Tongues - Talking Heads
55. Centrefield - John Fogerty
56. Closer - Joy Division
57. Empty Glass - Pete Townsend / (The Swing - Inxs)
58. The Indestructible Beat Of Soweto - Various Artists
59. Computer Games - George Clinton / (Brave - Kate Ceberano)
60. The Blue Mask - Lou Reed
61. Doc At The Radar Station - Captain Beefheart
62. Pyromania - Def Leppard / (Time And Tide - Split Enz)
63. Entertainment - Gang Of Four
64. Vivid - Living Colour / (The Pleasure Of Your Company... - Models)
65. In My Tribe - 10,000 Maniacs / (East - Cold Chisel)
66. Fiyo On The Bayou - The Neville Brothers
67. Trouble In Paradise - Randy Newman / (Primitive Man - Icehouse)
68. The Specials - The Specials / (Gossip - Paul Kelly & The Coloured Girls)
69. Radio - Ll Cool J
70. Travelling Wilburys Vol. 1 - Travelling Wilburys
71. Crowded House - Crowded House / (10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 - Midnight Oil)
72. Marshall Crenshaw - Marshall Crenshaw / (The Blurred Crusade - The Church)
73. Building The Perfect Beast - Don Henley
74. Sign O' The Times - Prince
75. She's So Unusual - Cyndi Lauper
76. Second Edition - Public Image Ltd
77. Robbie Robertson - Robbie Robertson
78. Dare - The Human League
79. Guitar Town - Steve Earle / (Tender Prey - Nick Cave And The Bad Seeds)
80. Suzanne Vega - Suzanne Vega
81. 1984 - Van Halen / (East Side Story - Uk Squeeze)
82. East Side Story - Uk Squeeze / (1984 - Van Halen)
83. Let's Dance - David Bowie
84. Faith - George Michael
85. Freedom - Neil Young
86. The River - Bruce Springsteen
87. Steel Wheels - The Rolling Stones
88. Lives In The Balance - Jackson Browne
89. Who's Zooming Who - Aretha Franklin
90. ... Nothing Like The Sun - Sting
91. Lyle Lovett - Lyle Lovett / (Stoneage Romeos - Hoodoo Gurus)
92. Full Moon Fever - Tom Petty
93. The Night I Feel In Love - Luther Vandross / (For The Working Class Man - Jimmy Barnes)
94. Power, Corruption & Lies - New Order
95. Scarecreow - John Cougar Mellencamp
96. Colour By Numbers - Culture Club
97. The Mona Lisa's Sister - Graham Parker / (Lovebuzz - The Humingbirds)
98. Labour Of Love - Ub40
99. What's Up, Dog? - Was (Not Was) / (Max Q)
100. Sun City - Artists United Against Apartheid

Had my first flypast at both albums and songs. Weirdly, I've got to edit down from 107 on each.

^ I was a massive Huskers fan (where do I find the umlauts) and always found Turn on The News too erm, straight, untwisted rock. (Like Mould today going by the latest on first listen, although "Turn On.." could've been a Hart) ? That said, I know it's one of their hits

Turn On The News is one of my very fave songs
To get the umlauts I press alt + 0252

Not heard the new Mould yet.

btw what do people think of Swans - The Burning World these days?

Lol at Max Q making the 100

ü

thanks AG. I will have forgotten post ZZZs

Swans were one of the loudest ,angriest bands I saw, back at the Town and County Club about, shit ,25 years ago. Fuck.

How is your hearing?

Tim, were you saying that the snare drum sounds better on the original vinyl than even on the remastered digital version (of DN)?

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, September 7, 2012 2:51 PM (1 hour ago)

No, I don't know. Definitely distorted sounding on the remaster, though; I was wondering if it was a clipping issue.

Wonder how Hüsker Dü CD's would sound remastered thinking about it. What would you guys like to hear differently?

Yeah, the snare drum sound is still frustrating on the remaster. Everything was like that on the 90s CD, seriously!

I better listen to the remastered Loveless. That's an album that I thought could use a good remastering.

It's kind of funny to think of Husker Du albums being remastered. I associate their sound so much with the lo-fi bled-through washout.

What might be revealed in Mould's lead playing? The prospect is exciting to think about.

now that's a good point.

Oh weird, listening to "'Cross the Breeze" now, I feel like things are actually more distorted on the remaster. Maybe the increased volume just made it more immediate on the first listen or at least made everything a bit more audible? Hm. Potential audiophile fail. I'll have to give it time.

I dunno, I still feel like stuff sounds kind of distant on the old CD.

Yeah, drums are worse on the new.

interesting. i have the early 90s geffen CD and remember it clipping at certain sections, nothing too dramatic but the distortion was kind of displeasing at high volumes. as i recall drums sounded just fine tho. anyway 9 times out of 10 the new remasterings alter the essence of certain albums to a ridiculous degree and the supposed improvement in terms of sound quality is at least questionable.

Turn On The News is one of my very fave songs

and, yeah, grant wrote that one. he's much more willing than bob to go for untwisted rock songwriting, and i love him for it.

Bob's guitar at the end is amazing. Wish there was an extended version.

i could never get much into the hüskers but at the same time i really dig 'hold me down' by the goo goo dolls and those guys were basically a dü/mats tribute act at the time. i feel a bit weird about that.

haha HOLD ME UP !!

It seems we have 36 album ballots , 22 tracks ballots and a joker

my albums ballot is set but I need to revisit a lot of these tracks before i vote.

lol what's the joker

Yeah, I guess it's not so much that the drums distort on the 90s disc as that they just seem more distant than they should be to me. (Compare to the drums on Murray Street, especially the presence of the bass drum. Or Scorpions' Taken by Force, which I think is an example of an excellent recording of a heavy rock band from even earlier than SY.) Vocals are a bit like this too. On the remaster, this seems like it's corrected a little but it's at the cost of even more clipping. I guess hearing things in a slightly different way just made it seem a bit new and made the album seem more exciting the first time.

The third Velvets, which Tim mentioned above, is another good reference point.

Yeah, I guess it's not so much that the drums distort on the 90s disc as that they just seem more distant than they should be to me. (Compare to the drums on Murray Street, especially the presence of the bass drum. Or Scorpions' Taken by Force, which I think is an example of an excellent recording of a heavy rock band from even earlier than SY.) Vocals are a bit like this too. On the remaster, this seems like it's corrected a little but it's at the cost of even more clipping. I guess hearing things in a slightly different way just made it seem a bit new and made the album seem more exciting the first time.

This is the whole point of heavy compression and limiting; they're applied to make the recordings seem louder and more exciting and vivid, often at the expense of sound quality (which leads to listening fatigue over longer listening sessions). The liberal use of compression used to be more a feature of commercial radio (and singles destined for commercial radio), where it makes sense in terms of grabbing the listeners' very short attention spans, but over the past, say, fifteen years, listeners in many genres have come to expect a certain loudness from their music as a somewhat ironic signifier of high production values, and many records have been remastered several times over the years to match continually evolving expectations of loudness (which after being on the ascent for years, appear to be leveling off after considerable publicity about the "loudness war" and its toll on sound quality).

I mean, all of this is obvious and well-known, but I don't think it's merely the "newness" of the remaster that made it seem more exciting.

Things aren't remastered just to make them louder, of course. I'm sure sund4r is right that there's improved fidelity with the DN remaster, too. It's just a shame if it is indeed clipping and if the dynamic range was squashed.

I think remastering jobs used to be more properly focused on restoring and reviving older recordings and actually making them sound better, but so many remastering jobs these days (especially on fairly recent recordings) seem to be almost exclusively concerned with meeting contemporary expectations of volume (they also seem to be perceived as an opportunity to repackage a record, pick up a little publicity and sell a few more copies, especially to people who already own the record). I'm sure you're also aware of the fact that in an A-B listening test, the louder recording will almost always be picked as the superior sounding recording, even if the two recordings are identical in every other way. But I'm not at all doubting sund4r's experience. I'm just not surprised that a recently remastered recording can seemingly sound both better and worse.

/Zzzzz...

Some recordings are horribly quiet and need to be made louder. Just not all recordings need made louder for the hell of it.

I feel sick mouthy should be posting in here. Can't have a loudness war chat without him. It's just not cricket.

Do you all think original 80s cd's sounded better or worse?

You're Living All Over Me is probably the album on this list that suffered the most in its initial CD pressing and improved the most in its more recent reissue

TURN YOUR AMLIFIER UP.

Some recordings are horribly quiet and need to be made louder. Just not all recordings need made louder for the hell of it.

You're 100% right. I'm not actually an audiophile purist when it comes to these things. For instance, I would gladly take fuller, louder (even slightly clipped!) SST records over what's currently available. My only original point is that records seem to be remastered at a much faster pace these days, and for sometimes dubious reasons, and that I'm not surprised that an initially exciting remastering job seems less-than-great over an extended listening period.

I'm also under the impression that Reign in Blood has been remastered about ten times, but I can't find the info atm.

Bowie albums seemed to get remastered every 2 years for a period

Elvis Costello is the absolute worst for this.

yeah but who buys Elvis Costello albums?

If you hate 80s Rock then this thread is for you CLASSIC POP Magazine - ILM's Ideal Magazine for Old Farts?

yeah but who buys Elvis Costello albums?

― VOTE in the 1980's ROCK POLL PLEASE! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Saturday, September 8, 2012 1:44 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

stop hatin, EC >>>>>> most of the shit you're reppin itt

He's so boring. I'd rather listen to Ray Charles.

For anyone who hasn't heard it, I'd like to rep for Voivod's Nothingface: I can't think of anything else that sounds quite like this. Manages to synthesize thrash, prog, punk, and postpunk art rock into a spaced-out angular sci-fi math rock that still rocks really hard. On-a-dime stops and starts, choppy chordal inversions, nasal but tuneful vocals. Highlights, nominated on the tracks list: "Missing Sequences", "The Unknown Knows"

Also try the two Sharrock albums for post-Hendrix jazz guitar noise. Seize the Rainbow has plenty of riffing rock. Guitar is more droney guitar smear.

Did you nominate the Fushitsusha and Keiji Haino, Hellhouse? They're great.

Also repping for Queensryche's Operation: Mindcrime: Operatic, sample-happy high-concept pomp-metal with virtuosic vocals. Highlight on tracks list: "The Needle Lies". The Fates Warning is worth checking out too.

If you're a longtime poster, Hellhouse, I have a guess as to who you may be.

It was I who nominated them.

Still haven't had a chance to read all the noms here but I already know what my number one choice is going to be; it's also likely no one else's, not even in their top 10, but howandever...

VOIVOD always reminded me nicely of Die Kreuzen

Some albums on a Spotify playlist. Incomplete but it can be added to
http://open.spotify.com/user/pfunkboy/playlist/4mgtVe8Ccj0qC4K9zldY8D

It's no way complete but please subscribe to it and help out with what is missing.

Kind of funny listening to Evol after all this discussion about Sonic Youth and production and after listening to all these other noisy 80s albums. It's lo-fi but also really 80s in a way: almost like they were trying to get a Cocteau Twins atmosphere with budget gear. All that reverb!

A little surprised that Children of God mostly holds up.

Btw, I'll also rep for Einsturzende Neubauten - "Kalte Sternen", where they actually throw a sugary pop hook behind the buzzing guitars and bracing noise.

Ugh, "Kalte Sterne"

Maybe it was a Joy Division/New Order atmosphere they (or Martin Bisi, most likely) were going for?

Kind of funny listening to Evol after all this discussion about Sonic Youth and production and after listening to all these other noisy 80s albums. It's lo-fi but also really 80s in a way: almost like they were trying to get a Cocteau Twins atmosphere with budget gear. All that reverb!

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, September 9, 2012 4:45 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah hearing Evol for the first time after some later SY albums what really strikes you is the big cheesy snare drum

Thanks Hellhouse for topping the Spotify playlist up
Everyone should subscribe http://open.spotify.com/user/pfunkboy/playlist/4mgtVe8Ccj0qC4K9zldY8D

Here's the correct version of Grauzone's Eisbär. It's awesome.

spotify:local:Grauzone:Eisb%c3%a4r:Eisb%c3%a4r:255

http://open.spotify.com/local/Grauzone/Eisb%c3%a4r/Eisb%c3%a4r/255

oh shit just realized it's my own library. Move on, nothing to see here.

i see those SY records pretty much as experiments with recording techniques. funny thing is, prob no other band from that era had a run of 5 or 6 albums sounding so different from each other. the EVOL production is too sterile, sure, but bad moon rising sounds absolutely fucked up in a really amazing way. it's like they tried to make a bombastic sounding record with very limited resources and to achieve those goals they viciously pushed everything into the red and didn't look back. so they ended up having the guitars jumping out from the speakers and these mammoth, bonham kinda sounding drums from a parallel universe or something. the cymbal sound in "society is a hole" always gets me and the bass tone is fantastic all through the record. i think nothing beats BMR in terms of twisted, one of a kind production.

yeah i love that about them, that despite certain very specific hallmarks in the band's sound, they were constantly learning how to sound on record or trying different approaches. i would go as far as to say of their first 10 or 11 full-lengths each one had a pretty distinctly different character to its production compared to its predecessors, with one exception (Goo and Daydream being pretty similar)

Bad Moon Rising is the last of the 80s albums I need to re-listen to for this poll/current revival of obsession. I'm looking forward to it. Does that count as an industrial album btw?

Something I've been thinking about is how much the greater experimentation with e.g. prepared guitar techniques on the band's earliest material (esp the first album) was something they may have just done to compensate for more limited technical proficiency, which they may have abandoned to an extent as they became more comfortable with their instruments and with playing with each other. Thurston has always seemed more passionate about the Ramones and Television than about e.g. Fred Frith or Keith Rowe (favourite albums list: http://www.listology.com/richie-dagger/list/thurston-moores-favorite-albums ). I wonder whether Daydream Nation or even Murray Street may be closer to the album he'd been aspiring to make even early on.

(Also, The Eternal sounds a bit better than I remembered!)

Even if it wasn't Frith and Rowe, it was being passionate about the no wave groups and Branca. Thurston wrote the liner notes to a Swell Maps compilation where he talked about how they seemed to be mixing fairly radical things with, iirc, something like "ahead of its time songcraft awareness," and how that spoke to his own interests at the time.

Another ballot overnight, thanks!

I think we may have got to the 40 ballots point for the albums, thanks!

Sonic Youth – Smart Bar – Chicago 1985

2xlp/ CD / digital

Release Date : November 14, 2012

In August 1985 Sonic Youth were touring across the states following the

release of their recently released LP ‘Bad Moon Rising’. This performance

from August 11, 1985 at Chicago’s Smart Bar was recorded on 4-track

cassette. This live recording consists of much of Bad Moon Rising and early

performances of Secret Girl + Expressway to Yr Skull later to be released on

EVOL, as well as a rare never before released live rendition of Kat ‘N’ Hat.

Mixed and mastered by the band from the original tape source for this double

LP edition w/ download card (or CD or digital edition) along w/ liner notes by Gerard

Cosloy and Sonic Youth engineer Aaron Mullan and photos by Pat Blashill and

Steven Koress and released by Sonic Youth on their own label Goofin’

Records and distributed via Revolver USA.

Sonic Youth – Smart Bar – Chicago 1985

1- Hallowe’en
2- Death Valley ’69
3- Intro/Brave Men Run(In My Family)
4- I Love Her All The Time
5- Ghost Bitch
6- I’m Insane
7- Kat ‘N’ Hat
8- Brother James
9- Kill Yr Idols
10- Secret Girl
11- Flower
12- The Burning Spear
13- Expressway To Yr Skull
14- Making The Nature Scene

Now That's What I Call A Setlist

I'm excited about this.

Just to remind everybody of the Spotify playlist
http://open.spotify.com/user/pfunkboy/playlist/4mgtVe8Ccj0qC4K9zldY8D

And here is the tracks playlist
http://open.spotify.com/user/1234500846/playlist/1PUCleswca5SrhrBqNMOuD

OK we've barely talked about 80s psych-rock on the thread so it's time to discuss Spacemen 3 , Loop etc.

And no, it's not just a brazen attempt to get Matt M and Hows Life to come to the thread. Oh no.

It wasn't even them who nominated F/i

Thanks, Ned! We now have rid of the unwieldy title ,and no sod got the George Formby reference anyway.

PLAYING WITH FIRE or GTFO.

And it's a pity that GILDED ETERNITY came out in 1990 or 1991, since that's my faaaaave.

You could always do a 90s equivalent of this poll after this one.

We will assume he volunteered

So good: http://grooveshark.com/#!/album/Ragin+Full+On/268355

I think the last track is wrong, actually.

fIREHOSE are very underrated

more votes overnight apparently. Thanks!

So what are you guys going to campaign for?

we only have a couple of subscribers for the albums playlist http://open.spotify.com/user/pfunkboy/playlist/4mgtVe8Ccj0qC4K9zldY8D

please subscribe!

Subscribed, currently learning that I should have started listening to Die Kreuzen when I was 16 and never stopped

I would blame your brother.

btw I think we have 47 album ballots now. Who wants to help get it to 50?

Tom have you checked anything else out or plan on checking anything in particular out?

That Band of Susans album, which was alright, and then fIREHOSE, which was great, and then Damaged, which was fantastic. I started listening to Kollaps too.

There's 2 Band Of Susans albums and both are great. Later Black Flag is quite sludgy so I think you might dig that and the Melvins albums.

ok LOL @ this Die Kreuzen review
http://www.allmusic.com/album/die-kreuzen-mw0000086387

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jKLr33N23Q

when we touch we never have to fake it

no youtube embeds in here please. Put it on the proper thread.
Could a mod remove that please?

haha o well it was kind of depressing anyway

here is the youtube thread 1980s Rock (With a difference) Tracks/Albums Poll YOUTUBE COMPANION THREAD

Spotify tracks playlist http://open.spotify.com/user/1234500846/playlist/1PUCleswca5SrhrBqNMOuD
Spotify albums playlist http://open.spotify.com/user/pfunkboy/playlist/4mgtVe8Ccj0qC4K9zldY8D

Band of Susans are probably the ultimate band that sounds right for me on paper but that somehow doesn't work for me at all in practice. Maybe I should start a thread.

Going back to Neubauten albums, it's very funny that Drawings of Patient OT is an option in this poll. Still sounds good though!

why is it odd? it's one of their best albums.

I need to give it a listen then.

why is it odd?

I just find it funny to think of Drawings of Patient OT as a balls-out hard-rockin' album. I do like it!

ARE YOU READY TO ROCK?

Lol, I ruined my joke by posting a version of the song that actually rocks much harder than the one on the album I was listening to.

YOU CAN'T STOP THE ROCK

this is pretty rockin

http://youtu.be/nZkqwFXK7Lw

this is good for rockin back and forth naked on the bathroom floor when you're on break from fighting the enormous talking insects in your apartment

http://youtu.be/WVhS9DGEVe8

KORITFW

kinda bummed that I didn't nominate any holy toy

who's gonna vote for them besides me but still

http://youtu.be/wml0Jp5bwis

Holy Toy go hard, but let us return to the broken funk treasures of Drawings of OT:

Abfackeln!

^^^

actual rock music, b/c I've been listening to Zoogz Rift and This Heat all morning.

English translate: Scorch!

Let our souls be free of decay!
...free of fungus!
Wallowing in carrion
In carrion
Wallowing
Let our skulls be free of fungus!
...and if the city burns...
Yes... That's our torch...
Let's scorch our souls!
Let's scorch our souls!
Let's let our souls
Scorch!

Send "Abfackeln!" Ringtone to your Cell

Let our skulls be free of fungus!

^^^

OTM, would kill for this.

c'mon this rocks harder than a police truck full of sex crazed orcs

http://youtu.be/lzZMhAM2SqU

you have my condolences about the zoogz rift tho

I'll take those condolences if they include an icepick.

if you insist

http://youtu.be/lgvIbW9C12k

i'd have voted for holy toy.

is there some trick to c+p out of that google doc or is my computer just fucking up

actually a bit awed that ZR crushes myth of no wave being impervious to ruin.

xxp

submitted, having second thoughts (for instance, no die kreuzen, but i think i'm okay with it)

jjj it allowed me to C+P . highlight them all right click and select copy

did it work?

I imagine jjj still trying to get it to work for some reason.

into the last week of voting we go

Algerian-

to fill out the track playlist, I uploaded some local files, but I'm not sure if others can play them or not. Cop Shoot Cop were among the additions, if you could check. thx.

also, we have until the 27th for albums, right?

i'm glad you pointed that out, i'd assumed from the subject line that the whole thing closed on the 20th

No It might be the 20th it might be 24th 25th maybe 26th. It all depends on seandalai. It will not be as late as 27th.

but if I were you I'd assume both were finishing on the 20th just incase. I think its been a long enough time to vote and ballots are dropping off now.

hellhouse you seemed to remove stuff I added then added yourself. I cant see cop shoot cop.

wtf does that even mean, christ

I don't see any point in extending it and it just means more work for seandalai. better to get it all done and dusted so we can then look for album covers/spotify links.
I'm still not sure if Viceroy is going to be able to do the tracks rollout due to his work commitments.

If we get a long list as usual then I want to start the albums on fri night after the tracks finish. So I am not sure if the 27th gives seandalai enough time to run the results through. if he can assure us then the 27th might be on but I'd much prefer everyone got them in by the 20th just incase. Remember seandalai is a very busy guy.

ugh just pick a firm date and stick with. if an editor ever told me "it might be due the 13th, or maybe the 17th, we'll see" i would invariably managed to miss whatever the deadline turned out to be.

that is why i said everyone should just aim for the 20th for both. Everybody who has sent in a tracks ballot so far has voted for albums at the same time. There's been a few albums only ballots but no tracks only ones.

the top of the thread saying "Voting closes September 20 for tracks and approx September 27 for albums" is a bad idea, then

well things have changed. I've had to do most of this by myself as others have been unavailable. originally there were 3 of us and seandalai is doing me a good turn and i do not want to cause him extra work.

Why did I never listen to Locust Abortion Technician before now? (Answer: because of that stupid band name.)

I hope it blew your mind like it should do

-AG:

my mistake. I was under the impression local files could be shared (apparently not). I only deleted and re-added tracks b/c I was fucking around w/adding local tracks.

yeah if others have the mp3s it will show up for them

I don't mind what the deadline is, there's not really any extra work for me either way. I may not be able to produce the final results immediately as I'll be travelling but that's my problem.

I'd rather have the results ready to go then rather than extending the deadline.

so please get your votes in!

viceroy are you around?

Contenderizer I told everyone that their nwa vote wont count but you still had to vote for it didn't you. well it wont count.

that was probably some other guy called me

NO I AM CONTENDERIZER

we are all contenderizer.

most people have already voted, but I’m gonna take a few seconds to rep for Rhys Chatham’s “Die Donnergotter” anyway. Chatham essentially spends twenty minutes on a blown-out version of “Fur Immer”, layering six guitars over the forward slam of David Linton’s drumming for no-wave motorik sprawl. EIII claims it’s only good live, but this is a foul bag of fuck-filled challops. a thirteen-minute edit can be heard here.

the full version, along with “Guitar Trio” and Waterloo No. 2” from 1987’s Die Donnergotter LP can be found here.

/pointless pitching

...

There's a few people, who I hope will vote, who might be interested in that.

indeed. I will vote for it and send it barreling into the close with one vote.

man if you guys only knew how long this die donnergotter debate has been raging

I bought the LP of Die Donnergotter about 12 years ago and remember being tremendously disappointed. ("The fuck? This is jangle-rock!") I'm looking forward to giving it another chance. I really liked Chatham's Crimson Grail.

Thanks for the link btw! Didn't mean to be ungrateful!

What's the story with the NWA album? I added to the spreadsheet because it's in the list at the top of the thread but did AG veto it?

it's a prank, no matter what AG says, he really wants you to count the NWA votes

Long ago! in the noms thread! But somehow it was in the Spreadsheet i used to start the thread. I kept removing it from the google spreadsheet and the bugger kept reappearing and now I know why!
(ps did you get my last email?)

remember, no matter what he says

We could make it that for every NWA vote Zoogs Rift gets it instead

fuck tha island of living puke

i voted zoogz. this live take of "art band" kicks major butt.

http://youtu.be/xELPUkofqgo

let's play spot the differences:

My Daddy Works For The Secret Marines

http://youtu.be/aGxoB-rEwtg

vs

Lady Sniff

http://youtu.be/4fW0xpoGmEk

ballot submitted over here

man if you guys only knew how long this die donnergotter debate has been raging

well, you're right about the live version being more exciting, but the studio version remains compelling in some ways because of its stark production.

idk, with Chatham I used to make the obvious comparison to Branca, but the association can be misleading. the title and length and sense of melodic grandeur of Die Donnergotte all suggest similarities w/Branca's symphonies, but the actual guitarwork reminds me a lot of Ut and Mars and early Slovenly, and their dry, plinky riffs. the track's Neu influence is obvious, but take a listen to Ut's Conviction LP, or even this later track from In Gut's House. I mean, I can obviously hear in DD the droning, anthemic qualities that were passed on to Band of Susans, but I can also hear the skeletal riffs and atonal runs passed on to Ut (even though members of both bands may have injected some of those qualities into Chatham's work during their tenure). in other words, while I'm sure in a live setting DD delivers an imposing and choice wash of guitar noise, I can appreciate the studio version and its leaner, more angular sound that references no wave more explicitly, and consequently see the two versions as entirely different animals with different qualities.

but I have the feeling that I've probably said this to you about fifty times, so w/e, fuck it. everyone should own a copy of Guitar Trio, though (looking forward to hearing Chatham's half-hour versions that he's released).

I bought the LP of Die Donnergotter about 12 years ago and remember being tremendously disappointed. ("The fuck? This is jangle-rock!")

this is crazy. i bought an LP of the doner god like 20 years ago because it look cool & what. crushed my head then as it still does today.

Not heard it

two links in my post above.

Someone called 'Sonic Ruth' voted (you will never guess what dominated the top of both her tracks n albums ballot).
No doubt Hüsker Drü will be voting soon followed by Jack Flag presumably.

down to 100 albums, now it's getting hard!

I had no idea making lists got you so excited. Who needs viagra!

right, albums ballot done. I'm going to take a break then have a think about tracks.

Lets hope you manage it

"Die Donnergotter" does sound much better now, like good instrumental postpunk. Tbh, I think I wanted it to be more like Branca at the time. I still think that drum sound is very wrong. "Waterloo" is kind of lame though.

Now that I'm done with the Who I can give my full attention to these

first stop - albums

thankfully there's no 80s Who albums on the list!

"Waterloo" is kind of lame though.

I'm guessing, but I think Chatham's early work with La Monte Young and Tony Conrad instilled a bias towards psych that Branca doesn't seem to share, and I would relate Waterloo No. 2 to that tendency. on the '87 Homestead LP, Waterloo is sandwiched between DD and Guitar Trio, and I can definitely hear a continuity in the distinctly visceral emphasis on rhythm and texture and repetition (as well as in the alternating currents of melancholy and exuberance that also differentiate Chatham from Branca). (I love Branca's work, btw.)

so Waterloo obviously isn't that far removed from Chatham's other work, but I can see how fans of dense guitarwork might hate it.

in the spirit of peace I offer a youtube of the complete die donnergotter

http://youtu.be/NC5NI6jvJgw

LET THE HEALING BEGIN

thx! v. cool.

would love to have my YouTube restrictions lifted, which is why I suspect it won't happen (THEY KNOW).

album vote is in ...need another week or so to figger out tracks

good luck, it only took me 6 years

xp

xp

you dont have a week!

agh crap I got the dates mixed around

looks like I'll be doing the tracks this weekend

did I say we're past the 50 ballot mark for albums?

rock

this voting requires more effort than other ilx votes i have voted for.

Dog Latin how are you doing with checking out all these albums?

billstevejim > thats good. Sign of a good poll!

Albums playlist http://open.spotify.com/user/pfunkboy/playlist/4mgtVe8Ccj0qC4K9zldY8D

Tracks playlist http://open.spotify.com/user/1234500846/playlist/1PUCleswca5SrhrBqNMOuD

bump

I've got me lists honed down to 50. Should I be arsed to order them or just bomb the full unit in. Guide me please. It's sunday and I have a headache

You can do it any way you like.
There's ranking them 1-50 (weighted)
There's Split where you can rank a portion of your choice then have the remainder in any order
There's unweighted where they all get equal (51 points iirc).
But the latter option would mean those who vote for weighted albums will get more points for albums in the top part of their poll whilst yours dont.
Split seems to be the popular choice of many.

I voted. Albums split, tracks unweighted.

Weighted will certainly help to prevent ties

And with the deadline looming and some ballots to come this is your last chance to influence them by campaigning for your fave albums & tracks

Would like to thank this poll for reminding me of just how much I love You're Living All Over Me.
Will have my tracks list done by the end of the day and hopefully my albums list too.

Awesome!

so Bitch Magnet are p great aren't they. I'd not heard them before.

Indeed. I got those reissues for xmas last year.

David Grubbs is one of those US indie rock guys who seem to have been in all sorts of good bands.

Oh boy, I Don't Wanna Hear It by Minor Threat is pretty much off the charts in terms of the 'it rocks!' factor. Shame that In My Eyes didn't get nommed but hey, seeing as I didn't participate in that stage I can't really complain.
Going through the lists is turning into a bit of a nostalgia-fest for me as you've probably guessed.

I was totally unaware of all this stuff in the 1980s (born 73) I'm envious of those who had brothers and sisters. Since those who did all seem to have been introduced to music by them.

Well I was born in 85, when I say nostalgia-fest I mean that the punky end of this stuff formed a big part of what I was listening to as a teen in the late 90s/early 2000s.

well,yeah, a lot of it I discovered early/mid 90s so I guess I can get nostalgic for that. However there are lots of old farts on ILM nostalgic for music they remember in the 80s (and 70s maybe 60s?)

I'm an only child born in '70 and this was all I listened to in high school

Just made my albums ballot. It's not possible to submit one ballot at a time, is it?

I'm very proud of this ballot btw. (Also thinking that I might not want to listen to rock music from the 80s for another year or so.)

yeah I think it's ok to submit one then the other. Most find it easier to do both though. Its up to you. Doesn't cause seandalai any more work afaik

Albums ballot submitted.

Thanks. Please keep campaigning for albums though!

Are you all enjoying listening to stuff for the poll and discussing it?

What, no Dead C?

You obviously did not nominate it!

yeah I think it's ok to submit one then the other. Most find it easier to do both though. Its up to you. Doesn't cause seandalai any more work afaik

― VOTE in the 1980's ROCK POLL PLEASE! (Algerian Goalkeeper), Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:19 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

ok this makes it extra hilarious that you still have different deadlines for the albums and tracks polls at the top of the thread

oh n/m i misread your post, sry for being a jerk

Done yours yet?

more or less, but i'm going to see if i have time this week to listen to more stuff and tweak my ballot or just send it in as it is now.

last-minute YouTubes for some misfit noms:

Drunks With Guns - Beautiful Happiness
repping for the Drunks With Guns LP.
http://youtu.be/yRbm9rNTCAo

Prong - Cling to Life
repping for the Primitive Origins LP. also have a vid for "Climate Control" on my channel.
http://youtu.be/BPUdj5N6-fw

Einsturzende Neubauten - Sehnsucht (Zitternd)
repping for the Halber Mensch LP.
http://youtu.be/ZKHwNkakNDE

Pailhead - Don't Stand in Line
repping for this bombastic mess by Ian Mackaye and Al Jourgensen. bathetic shit w/sick drums.
http://youtu.be/O422LYaYF-8

the YouTube companion thread for stragglers running two HAL 9000's:

1980s Rock (With a difference) Tracks/Albums Poll YOUTUBE COMPANION THREAD - unread

xp I had no idea Ian Mackaye and Al Jourgensen had been in a band together. I'll check that out!

yeah, a v. weird collaboration that I appreciate more than Fugazi because it's overblown and hammering instead of tasteful and fussy. do not expect any OTMs for this.

I know what you mean about Fugazi, though I have warmed to them over the years.

Anyone voting for any death metal? Morbid Angel and Obituary both made my albums ballot.

Atheist made my albums ballot.

it's not easy getting that type of metal fan to vote

I completely forgot to vote for Nothing's Shocking! I don't know how this happened.

Not surprised since nobody has been talking about them here

ftr #2 and #3 on my tracks ballot are going to be Sex Bomb and Sex Beat

Not surprised since nobody has been talking about them here

No, even when I downloaded the albums list, I thought "That's one I need to vote for." Somehow when I started deleting albums I didn't know or didn't like, I must have deleted it accidentally.:(

altars of madness def getting a vote from me

Maybe we need more chat on Jane's Addiction anyway

last few days of voting

how are we looking ballots-wise?

I think its 29 track ballots and 54 album ballots

And still no sign of viceroy either so I dunno whats gonna happen to tracks runout

*GALLIFREY EARTH CALLING VICEROY*

Tracks ballot submitted

thanks!

did you vote for "fish in a pool" by the electric deads? no? anybody?

can't really justify my near-mystical love for this song

http://youtu.be/wx7PBS4Abvo

Who all plans to submit a ballot?

not me

can't really justify my near-mystical love for this song

Psychocandy w/more punk + angry teen girl. v. nice.

Tracks ballot submitted.

It was hard/interesting to weigh between things I liked as a kid in the 80s, things I got into later at different stages, and things I was introduced to because of this poll itself. The latter probably got the shortest shrift, even though learning about them has obviously been the most valuable part of the exercise.

A 50-track list felt so short!

I regret not making it 100 but I didn't think enough would do it

I had to shave off a couple of Def Leppard tracks to get it down to 50 but it wasn't as tough as I thought it would be

I started with a 4-page 'long list' of tracks I know and like to varying degrees.

Viceroy are you still doing the tracks rollout on monday? Can you manage it all?