from the Lady Gaga ARTPOP thread:
i have a theory that every super popular artist has a "New Jersey" - like Bon Jovi's album New Jersey -- where it's still super popular and even more popular than the albums that preceded it but there's some sense that the gig is up.
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:21 AM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^^^ that'd be a nice thread (if it doesn't already exist)!
― mr.raffles, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:24 AM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
btw dudes i was like a kid when New Jersey came out...but even me as just a fan, i kinda *wanted* to like New Jersey as much, and there was some sense that it was a "big deal" and i should like it and i bought the cassette but i think we all could sense it just wasn't *as good*...i'm not sure what critics thought but i bet they did, i didn't read reviews or have access to them.
so i wasn't talking critically.
but anyway like as time goes by you'll find that people going to gaga show would be way more jazzed about like "bad romance" than "edge of glory"...
like I'm trying to think of another example....Graduation is Kanye's New Jersey.....that's another example....
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:40 AM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
You're black, white, beige, POLLa descent: Lady Gaga - Born This Way (poll)
― lex pretend, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:46 AM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
and people get on me about MY poll titles!
(j/k, i am curious to see how this one turns out...)
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:49 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Graduation is Kanye's New Jersey.....that's another example....
I think it's a stronger case to say 808s was his New Jersey
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:50 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i think of a band's New Jersey as their bigger but hollower victory lap album so def Graduation not 808s
― da croupier, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:54 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
"bigger" meaning bombast not necessarily sales
― da croupier, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:55 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
NJ had five top tens including two #1's and except for "Bad Medicine" they've all vanished from the face of the earth
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:55 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
fuck that noise "I'll Be There For You" will always be there for me
― da croupier, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:56 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
"Born To Be My Baby" and "Lay Your Hands On Me" are definitely arena filler though
all i remember about "living in sin" is that the video seemed risque when i last saw it in elementary school
― da croupier, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:57 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
omg I had completely blocked "Living In Sin" from my memory
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:57 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
parents got upset when "Living in Sin" showed two mulleted youths defying society and good fashion taste and I think MTV banned it from playing during daylight hours or something
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:57 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
seriously mad at all of you right now, gah
you are ruining my JAMC because all I can hear over "Catchfire" is the chorus to "Living In Sin"
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:58 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
To be a New Jersey:- follow-up to a huge, (possibly) defining record- has less and/or smaller hits than prev album - or - hits based more on momentum than appeal - brings with it the feeling that the NEXT record (if there is one) will see the bottom fall out (relatively speaking)
Sound about right?
I'll go ahead and nominate 'Here's to Future Days.'
― mr.raffles, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:00 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
then I nominate Huey Lewis and the News' Fore!.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:01 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^^ SO otm
― mr.raffles, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:01 PM (38 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Did Around the World in a Day feel that way in '85?
― Eric H., Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:02 PM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:04 (9 months ago) Permalink
Fore! is the fourth album by American rock band Huey Lewis and the News, released in 1986 (see 1986 in music). The album hit number one on the Billboard 200 album chart and contained five top-ten Billboard Hot 100 singles, including the number-one hits: "Stuck with You" and "Jacob's Ladder."
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:04 (9 months ago) Permalink
this is American Life in a nutshell
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:05 (9 months ago) Permalink
or wait, is it Music? I think actually Music is the album that qualifies
I'm so bad at this
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:06 (9 months ago) Permalink
ZZ TOP - Afterburner
― mr.raffles, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:07 (9 months ago) Permalink
are we conflating "victory lap" albums with Huge Event Albums That Ultimately Feel Shallow?
cuz Music feels like both!
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:07 (9 months ago) Permalink
Cher - Heart of Stone
― mr.raffles, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:09 (9 months ago) Permalink
how i phrased it in the other thread:
it's just an album that survived mostly on zeitgeist and professionalism that in hindsight served as a stopgap before a major drop or left turn
not everyone has one!
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:10 (9 months ago) Permalink
This would technically have to be an album that really DID mark the end of an artist's era, right? Like, we're talking artists that only ascended to the apex once and then fell almost just as fast? If so, Madonna probably doesn't exactly qualify.
― Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:10 (9 months ago) Permalink
― mr.raffles, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:07 PM (49 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^^bingo
Dan, for most people Madonna is an 80s artists or an early 90s artists at the very latest....she wasn't huge in pop culture by then, you could make a case for Erotica but i don't think she has a New Jersey.
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:10 (9 months ago) Permalink
but either way madonna was no where near her zeitgiest or sales peak on ray of light, which is what i think dan is suggesting?
R.E.M. - Monster
From Wikipedia:Monster debuted #1 in the US and UK charts. "What's the Frequency, Kenneth?" and "Bang and Blame" were the band's last American Top 40 hits. Their following album New Adventures in Hi-Fi debuted at number two in the US and number one in the UK. The five million copies of the album sold were a reversal of the group's commercial fortunes of the previous five years.
― Moka, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:11 (9 months ago) Permalink
Mj's "bad"
― Listen to this, dad (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:11 (9 months ago) Permalink
Music doesn't count cuz "Don't Tell Me" is like one of her biggest late era hits and people love that album
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:11 (9 months ago) Permalink
Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness.
― skip, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:11 (9 months ago) Permalink
An element of buyer's remorse also factors in. The "I realized one album too late that he/she/they were never all that."
― Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:11 (9 months ago) Permalink
it's funny....Watch the Throne ISN'T one of these because of where it fits in their careers, but man does it FEEL like one.
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:12 (9 months ago) Permalink
― skip, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:11 PM (34 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^^great example
xpost I mean, that's the pulse reading everyone's giving Born This Way now.
― Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:12 (9 months ago) Permalink
Melon Collie has too many fans to count. Plus "1979"!
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:13 (9 months ago) Permalink
Smashing Pumpkins fans aren't saying "oh man I can't even remember those Melon Collie singles"
interesting though how some bands react to this: so I'd say Rattle & Hum is U2's New Jersey but their best albums came afterward; or am I f'ing this up?
― Euler, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:14 (9 months ago) Permalink
Monster is probably a much better mid 90s example of this though... Mellon Collie certainly has its "hollow" moments but "The End Is The Beginning Is The End" is probably the real beginning of the end for SP.
― skip, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:15 (9 months ago) Permalink
well, the thing about being the end of Bon Jovi's era is that it was the end of the era where they got automatic radio play; they still sell out practically every venue they play and every album they've released since Slippery When Wet has hit the top ten, most often #1
so, I feel a lot of this is based on perception rather than actual performance; Ray of Light has sold more copies than Like A Prayer, for example
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:16 (9 months ago) Permalink
I don't want to admit Monster counts cuz I love it but the sheer number of copies sold back probably defines "buyer's remorse"
Rattle & Hum probably counts in that it was definitely followed by a left turn and people today would be like "um, Angel In Harlem was a top 20 hit? Really?"
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:16 (9 months ago) Permalink
I get the sense artists don't recover from their New Jersey.
― Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:16 (9 months ago) Permalink
Dancing on the Ceiling - Lionel Richie
― mr.raffles, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:18 (9 months ago) Permalink
xpost - Monster is, in many ways, the iconic Used CD.
on an indie rock level:
The Shins - Chutes too Narrow
― Euler, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:14 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah but Rattle & Hum is a New Jersey...U2 just did the trick of pulling a Kid A after a New Jersey
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:18 (9 months ago) Permalink
haha raffles is good at this
Bon Jovi has certainly had a ton of hits and made a ton of cash since but it was definitely a game changer. Madonna doesn't quite work because basically she was Queen Shit and aging gracefully (with a mild mis-step around Erotica) and then made American Life.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:18 (9 months ago) Permalink
Human touch/Lucky town
― Listen to this, dad (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:19 (9 months ago) Permalink
Maybe then it's less a signpost of "career decline" and more a mass discovery of career limits that didn't previously seem obvious/relevant.
― Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:19 (9 months ago) Permalink
I would say it's probably Dangerous, that was MJ's first CD-length album and clearly was meant to be the start of a new era, free from QJ, on to a different sound, etc. etc. And there were a ton of singles from it but compared to Off the Wall, Thriller, and Bad, only maybe one of them is still ubiquitous today (and that one is one of his most routinely mocked).
― frogbs, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:19 (9 months ago) Permalink
Even less-huge artists have this. e.g., Replacements and Don't Tell a Soul.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:20 (9 months ago) Permalink
Genesis - I Can't Dance (in re: the career of Phil Collins)
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:20 (9 months ago) Permalink
Don Henley - The End of the Innocence
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:20 (9 months ago) Permalink
that album still has a lot of respect for a Don Henley album - in Don's career I'd argue Eagles' Hell Freezes Over
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:21 (9 months ago) Permalink
Wait a sec, what about NIN - The Fragile
― frogbs, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:21 (9 months ago) Permalink
nice one frogbs
― skip, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:22 (9 months ago) Permalink
yeah but i don't think a New Jersey is necessarily terrible or even critical reviled, it can be good and popular etc but there's this inexpressible sense that the era of this artist is slipping away even as they are super popular at the moment.
― frogbs, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:21 PM (58 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^this would be a great pick but Trent lets too much time go in between albums, it was a different era when he reemerged, but if it were like a year or two after the downward spiral i'd be totally on board
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:23 (9 months ago) Permalink
thing is, an album like End Of The Innocence or Melon Collie isn't loaded with the sense of somebody slipping away, it's just the last album they made before it happened.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:24 (9 months ago) Permalink
and with the pumpkins it's more like Madonna where they had to go and push the envelope too far on the next album
― da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:25 (9 months ago) Permalink
Mellencamp "Lonesome Jubilee"
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:25 (9 months ago) Permalink
ultimately i am not the world's foremost don henley expert....so i will defer.
melon collie DID have some hits, and at least one (1979) that's beloved, but man even at the time that was a fucking SLOG
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:25 (9 months ago) Permalink
I hate myself for writing this but... Wild Mood Swings
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (9 months ago) Permalink
INXS - Welcome to Wherever You Are
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (9 months ago) Permalink
― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:25 PM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^good one
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (9 months ago) Permalink
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 1:26 PM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
wouldnt wish be a better examp
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (9 months ago) Permalink
I wish Weezer's Make Believe had been one of these but they are just as popular as ever.
― skip, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (9 months ago) Permalink
this would be a great pick but Trent lets too much time go in between albums, it was a different era when he reemerged, but if it were like a year or two after the downward spiral i'd be totally on board
I see what you mean, this is why I didn't really want to mention Human After All because the follow-up to Discovery would have been huge had it came out in 2003. But The Fragile still sold boatloads.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:27 (9 months ago) Permalink
so the New Jersey is the album that rides in on a wave of rose-colored goodwill generated by its predecessor and mimics its successes enough to tap that enthusiasm but in retrospect you must admit the thrill is gone
― anonanon, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 03:46 (1 month ago) Permalink
It wasn't Lonesome Jubilee that foreshadowed Mellencamp's decline, but the follow up Big Daddy. Remeber "Pop Singer"? From their on out Mellencamp''s albums got more serious and even ponderous. But Jubilee is an excellent album.
― jetfan, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 04:18 (1 month ago) Permalink
does goat's head soup count for this? there are some great tracks on it, but it definitely marks the end of their "classic" era.
― authentically inauthentic (Pat Finn), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 04:26 (1 month ago) Permalink
ah, sorry i see that's been covered already
― authentically inauthentic (Pat Finn), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 04:27 (1 month ago) Permalink
commercially Lonesome Jubilee is the only album that could plausibly qualify as Mellencamp's New Jersey, and someone cooouuld argue the album's two top tens ("Paper In Fire" and "Check It Out") from that album haven't stayed in the public consciousness like his earlier songs that had similar chart peaks ("Pink Houses," "Small Town"). But the fact that Mellencamp made such a self-conscious turn away from the marketplace with Big Daddy does cloud things.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 04:30 (1 month ago) Permalink
think "Cherry Bomb" was the other top ten (can't check Wiki now) but it's understandable: both start with "Ch"
Mellencamp returned to pop singer records on Whenever We Wanted and Human Wheels but this was the point at which the VH-1 and teen audience parted company. "Get a Leg Up" a minor hit. He wouldn't score another top five (his last) until "Wild Night" in '94.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 10:54 (1 month ago) Permalink
yeah I switched the "ch" singles, sorry. point stands, though - what keeps it from being an obvious New Jersey is that some people think it's better than Scarecrow, and that the "career decline" was self-inflicted after jubilee.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 14:15 (1 month ago) Permalink
did we mention INXS's X?
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 13:10 (1 week ago) Permalink
I think so, though it only went 2xplat so it didn't qualify for the poll
― da croupier, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 13:26 (1 week ago) Permalink
god, I hope The Knife's album doesn't end up as this. (I really like it, but then I also really liked Born This Way.)
― katherine, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 23:51 (1 week ago) Permalink
That Shins album that debuted at #1 on the Billboard chartSigur Ros' ()LCD Soundsystem's first album (challops! Yes it was a hit, but there was nothing on there as good as the singles that had already been released, and the magic was already gone)
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 9 May 2013 04:00 (1 week ago) Permalink
interpol - our love to admire?
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Thursday, 9 May 2013 04:12 (1 week ago) Permalink
Men at Work, Cargo
― pplains, Thursday, 9 May 2013 04:27 (1 week ago) Permalink
Queens of the Stone Age "lullabies to paralyze"Liz Phair "Whitechocolatespaceegg" or whateverTha Carter 4 defREM's is "New Adventures in Hi-Fi," not "Monster."Smashing Pumpkins' is "Adore," not "Mellon Collie"
Beck is kinda huge and he doesn't have a New Jersey.
― billstevejim, Thursday, 9 May 2013 06:38 (1 week ago) Permalink
Actually Beck's might be "The Information." I know a lot of people that really love "Guero."
― billstevejim, Thursday, 9 May 2013 06:41 (1 week ago) Permalink
― Euler, Thursday, 9 May 2013 10:55 (1 week ago) Permalink
xp My idea of a career decline doesn't include a record as good as Sound of Silver tbh
― Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, 9 May 2013 11:02 (1 week ago) Permalink
REM's is "New Adventures in Hi-Fi," not "Monster."
it didn't go multiplatinum
― A deeper shade of lol (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 May 2013 11:54 (1 week ago) Permalink
Yeah, I definitely think Monster is the New Jersey of R.E.M.'s catalogue.
― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Thursday, 9 May 2013 12:43 (1 week ago) Permalink
Guess you could throw Hail To The Thief into this, too.
― illegalblues, Thursday, 9 May 2013 15:47 (1 week ago) Permalink
I haven't read the whole thread but that bono gif makes me wonder : what was U2's already ?
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 9 May 2013 15:49 (1 week ago) Permalink
This was disputed repeatedly, "Rattle & Hum" fits in the sense of "huge event album that ultimately feels a bit hollow" but "career decline" doesn't quite hold up. Apparently it's "How To Dismantle an Atomic Bomb."
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 9 May 2013 15:52 (1 week ago) Permalink
hum. I don't know anybody who owns or likes "dismantle" (and I've never listened to it).I'd rather say "zooropa" or "pop" but maybe it's more linked to my own interest in that band.anyway, I won't get into the dispute...thanks for the update !
will "random access memory" be daft punk's "new jersey" ? (or was it "human after all" ?)
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 9 May 2013 15:58 (1 week ago) Permalink
I think "dismantle" may actually have been a huge album but just not in the world of anybody I hang out or talk to, see also that stage where you think they aren't popular anymore but are actually way more popular than they were when they had "buzz"
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 9 May 2013 16:03 (1 week ago) Permalink
Dismantle, definitely.
HTTF wasn't that much of an event album and In Rainbows is no decline. I think Radiohead managed to rewrite the rock-career script sufficiently to avoid a New Jersey. With the greatest respect to Amnesiac, it was no Slippery When Wet.
― Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, 9 May 2013 16:09 (1 week ago) Permalink
every time someone on this thread says what their friends thought about an album that didn't even gold, I kill an angel.
― da croupier, Thursday, 9 May 2013 16:11 (1 week ago) Permalink
The King Of Limbs may be Radiohead's New Jersey... a huge amount of people were waiting in anticipation for it on the back of In Rainbows and a large percentage of those people were ultimately disappointed. If their next album is shite, then it undoubtedly is The King Of Limbs.
― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Thursday, 9 May 2013 16:13 (1 week ago) Permalink
*kills angel*
― da croupier, Thursday, 9 May 2013 16:14 (1 week ago) Permalink
hey now, KoL went gold
that poor angle, murdered for nothing
― far too much asshole flesh (DJP), Thursday, 9 May 2013 16:16 (1 week ago) Permalink
much like my speling
yeah, yeah, but the angel still had to die on principle
― da croupier, Thursday, 9 May 2013 16:16 (1 week ago) Permalink
xp I guess based on Beck's non-platinum status for several of his albums, he's ineligible for a New Jersey.
― billstevejim, Thursday, 9 May 2013 17:27 (1 week ago) Permalink
the idea was to limit the concept to albums and artists that were actually "huge," so that we could nerd out over stats rather than have dinks debating which Apples In Stereo album was the first to suck
― da croupier, Thursday, 9 May 2013 17:30 (1 week ago) Permalink
that reminds me, This Timeless Turning was totally Sky Cries Mary's New Jersey
― far too much asshole flesh (DJP), Thursday, 9 May 2013 17:31 (1 week ago) Permalink
no way, everybody at my college radio station was mad excited about Exit At The Axis and I always knew that was poopie and nobody talk about it now, totally their new jersey
― da croupier, Thursday, 9 May 2013 17:33 (1 week ago) Permalink
isn't Beck kinda huger than whatever weirdo bands you guys are joking about?
― billstevejim, Thursday, 9 May 2013 17:40 (1 week ago) Permalink
"Fugue in D minor" was totally Bach's New Jersey. It was all downhill after that.
― billstevejim, Thursday, 9 May 2013 17:42 (1 week ago) Permalink
Hey now, I am just encouraging what I think is a specifically hilarious fit of pique, no need to get defensive.
― far too much asshole flesh (DJP), Thursday, 9 May 2013 17:42 (1 week ago) Permalink
haha i realize i'm being ridiculous, believe me. but i'm still going to wail on anybody who either can't grasp the concept, can't bother to read the thread, or check wikipedia to verify their hunches about which albums sold how much. if a chart nerd can't police a chart nerd thread then what's the point in being a chart nerd.
― da croupier, Thursday, 9 May 2013 17:47 (1 week ago) Permalink
chart groupies
― far too much asshole flesh (DJP), Thursday, 9 May 2013 17:49 (1 week ago) Permalink
no i'm like creed, i spurn them on route to the stage and then float above the throng
― da croupier, Thursday, 9 May 2013 17:50 (1 week ago) Permalink
and this thread is the hotel bar where i wait for 311 to walk by
― da croupier, Thursday, 9 May 2013 17:51 (1 week ago) Permalink
Were there New Jersey's prior to the '80s?
― billstevejim, Thursday, 9 May 2013 17:52 (1 week ago) Permalink
there was definitely a thread prior to today
― da croupier, Thursday, 9 May 2013 17:52 (1 week ago) Permalink
oh yes, i see a couple listed now. 95% of these are after the mid 80s
― billstevejim, Thursday, 9 May 2013 17:55 (1 week ago) Permalink
well that's partially a factor of poster age and comfort zone mixed in with the context of calling it a "New Jersey"; clearly the phenomenon has existed since people started buying music
― far too much asshole flesh (DJP), Thursday, 9 May 2013 17:56 (1 week ago) Permalink
also the fact that gauging multiplatinum success is easier after the riaa starting giving out the multi-platinum awards
― da croupier, Thursday, 9 May 2013 17:58 (1 week ago) Permalink
In 1976, RIAA introduced the platinum certification, first awarded to Johnnie Taylor's single, "Disco Lady", and to the Eagles album, Their Greatest Hits (1971–1975). As music sales increased with the introduction of compact discs, the RIAA created the Multi-Platinum award in 1984. Diamond awards, honoring those artists whose sales of singles or albums reached 10,000,000 copies, were introduced in 1999.
so basically, the only pre-80s albums to have multi-platinum certification are the ones who bother to get it
― da croupier, Thursday, 9 May 2013 17:59 (1 week ago) Permalink
pretty sure yo la tengo's 3x platinum 'summer sun' has the whiff of new jersey, and i'm not talking about hoboken
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 9 May 2013 18:01 (1 week ago) Permalink
I stand by my theory that New Jerseys depend on a certain way of marketing albums over a long period of time, and effectively only existed between Thriller and MP3s, although outliers can be found.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 9 May 2013 20:15 (1 week ago) Permalink