Every huge artist has their "New Jersey" - a huge event album that ultimately feels a bit hollow & signals a career decline

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from the Lady Gaga ARTPOP thread:

i have a theory that every super popular artist has a "New Jersey" - like Bon Jovi's album New Jersey -- where it's still super popular and even more popular than the albums that preceded it but there's some sense that the gig is up.

― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:21 AM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^
that'd be a nice thread (if it doesn't already exist)!

― mr.raffles, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:24 AM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

btw dudes i was like a kid when New Jersey came out...but even me as just a fan, i kinda *wanted* to like New Jersey as much, and there was some sense that it was a "big deal" and i should like it and i bought the cassette but i think we all could sense it just wasn't *as good*...i'm not sure what critics thought but i bet they did, i didn't read reviews or have access to them.

so i wasn't talking critically.

but anyway like as time goes by you'll find that people going to gaga show would be way more jazzed about like "bad romance" than "edge of glory"...

like I'm trying to think of another example....Graduation is Kanye's New Jersey.....that's another example....

― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:40 AM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You're black, white, beige, POLLa descent: Lady Gaga - Born This Way (poll)

― lex pretend, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:46 AM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and people get on me about MY poll titles!

(j/k, i am curious to see how this one turns out...)

― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:49 AM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Graduation is Kanye's New Jersey.....that's another example....

I think it's a stronger case to say 808s was his New Jersey

― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:50 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think of a band's New Jersey as their bigger but hollower victory lap album so def Graduation not 808s

― da croupier, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:54 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"bigger" meaning bombast not necessarily sales

― da croupier, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:55 AM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

NJ had five top tens including two #1's and except for "Bad Medicine" they've all vanished from the face of the earth

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:55 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fuck that noise "I'll Be There For You" will always be there for me

― da croupier, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:56 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"Born To Be My Baby" and "Lay Your Hands On Me" are definitely arena filler though

― da croupier, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:56 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

all i remember about "living in sin" is that the video seemed risque when i last saw it in elementary school

― da croupier, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:57 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

omg I had completely blocked "Living In Sin" from my memory

― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:57 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

parents got upset when "Living in Sin" showed two mulleted youths defying society and good fashion taste and I think MTV banned it from playing during daylight hours or something

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:57 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

seriously mad at all of you right now, gah

you are ruining my JAMC because all I can hear over "Catchfire" is the chorus to "Living In Sin"

― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 11:58 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

To be a New Jersey:
- follow-up to a huge, (possibly) defining record
- has less and/or smaller hits than prev album - or - hits based more on momentum than appeal
- brings with it the feeling that the NEXT record (if there is one) will see the bottom fall out (relatively speaking)

Sound about right?

I'll go ahead and nominate 'Here's to Future Days.'

― mr.raffles, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:00 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

then I nominate Huey Lewis and the News' Fore!.

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:01 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^ SO otm

― mr.raffles, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:01 PM (38 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Did Around the World in a Day feel that way in '85?

― Eric H., Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:02 PM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:04 (four years ago) Permalink

Fore! is the fourth album by American rock band Huey Lewis and the News, released in 1986 (see 1986 in music). The album hit number one on the Billboard 200 album chart and contained five top-ten Billboard Hot 100 singles, including the number-one hits: "Stuck with You" and "Jacob's Ladder."

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:04 (four years ago) Permalink

this is American Life in a nutshell

keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:05 (four years ago) Permalink

or wait, is it Music? I think actually Music is the album that qualifies

I'm so bad at this

keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:06 (four years ago) Permalink

ZZ TOP - Afterburner

mr.raffles, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:07 (four years ago) Permalink

are we conflating "victory lap" albums with Huge Event Albums That Ultimately Feel Shallow?

cuz Music feels like both!

a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:07 (four years ago) Permalink

Cher - Heart of Stone

mr.raffles, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:09 (four years ago) Permalink

how i phrased it in the other thread:

it's just an album that survived mostly on zeitgeist and professionalism that in hindsight served as a stopgap before a major drop or left turn

not everyone has one!

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:10 (four years ago) Permalink

This would technically have to be an album that really DID mark the end of an artist's era, right? Like, we're talking artists that only ascended to the apex once and then fell almost just as fast? If so, Madonna probably doesn't exactly qualify.

Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:10 (four years ago) Permalink

ZZ TOP - Afterburner

― mr.raffles, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:07 PM (49 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^bingo

Dan, for most people Madonna is an 80s artists or an early 90s artists at the very latest....she wasn't huge in pop culture by then, you could make a case for Erotica but i don't think she has a New Jersey.

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:10 (four years ago) Permalink

but either way madonna was no where near her zeitgiest or sales peak on ray of light, which is what i think dan is suggesting?

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:10 (four years ago) Permalink

R.E.M. - Monster

From Wikipedia:
Monster debuted #1 in the US and UK charts. "What's the Frequency, Kenneth?" and "Bang and Blame" were the band's last American Top 40 hits. Their following album New Adventures in Hi-Fi debuted at number two in the US and number one in the UK. The five million copies of the album sold were a reversal of the group's commercial fortunes of the previous five years.

Moka, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:11 (four years ago) Permalink

Mj's "bad"

Listen to this, dad (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:11 (four years ago) Permalink

Music doesn't count cuz "Don't Tell Me" is like one of her biggest late era hits and people love that album

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:11 (four years ago) Permalink

Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness.

skip, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:11 (four years ago) Permalink

An element of buyer's remorse also factors in. The "I realized one album too late that he/she/they were never all that."

Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:11 (four years ago) Permalink

it's funny....Watch the Throne ISN'T one of these because of where it fits in their careers, but man does it FEEL like one.

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:12 (four years ago) Permalink

Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness.

― skip, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:11 PM (34 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^great example

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:12 (four years ago) Permalink

xpost I mean, that's the pulse reading everyone's giving Born This Way now.

Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:12 (four years ago) Permalink

Melon Collie has too many fans to count. Plus "1979"!

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:13 (four years ago) Permalink

Smashing Pumpkins fans aren't saying "oh man I can't even remember those Melon Collie singles"

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:13 (four years ago) Permalink

interesting though how some bands react to this: so I'd say Rattle & Hum is U2's New Jersey but their best albums came afterward; or am I f'ing this up?

Euler, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:14 (four years ago) Permalink

Monster is probably a much better mid 90s example of this though... Mellon Collie certainly has its "hollow" moments but "The End Is The Beginning Is The End" is probably the real beginning of the end for SP.

skip, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:15 (four years ago) Permalink

This would technically have to be an album that really DID mark the end of an artist's era, right? Like, we're talking artists that only ascended to the apex once and then fell almost just as fast? If so, Madonna probably doesn't exactly qualify.

well, the thing about being the end of Bon Jovi's era is that it was the end of the era where they got automatic radio play; they still sell out practically every venue they play and every album they've released since Slippery When Wet has hit the top ten, most often #1

so, I feel a lot of this is based on perception rather than actual performance; Ray of Light has sold more copies than Like A Prayer, for example

keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:16 (four years ago) Permalink

I don't want to admit Monster counts cuz I love it but the sheer number of copies sold back probably defines "buyer's remorse"

Rattle & Hum probably counts in that it was definitely followed by a left turn and people today would be like "um, Angel In Harlem was a top 20 hit? Really?"

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:16 (four years ago) Permalink

I get the sense artists don't recover from their New Jersey.

Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:16 (four years ago) Permalink

Dancing on the Ceiling - Lionel Richie

mr.raffles, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:18 (four years ago) Permalink

xpost - Monster is, in many ways, the iconic Used CD.

on an indie rock level:

The Shins - Chutes too Narrow

interesting though how some bands react to this: so I'd say Rattle & Hum is U2's New Jersey but their best albums came afterward; or am I f'ing this up?

― Euler, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:14 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah but Rattle & Hum is a New Jersey...U2 just did the trick of pulling a Kid A after a New Jersey

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:18 (four years ago) Permalink

haha raffles is good at this

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:18 (four years ago) Permalink

Bon Jovi has certainly had a ton of hits and made a ton of cash since but it was definitely a game changer. Madonna doesn't quite work because basically she was Queen Shit and aging gracefully (with a mild mis-step around Erotica) and then made American Life.

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:18 (four years ago) Permalink

Human touch/Lucky town

Listen to this, dad (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:19 (four years ago) Permalink

well, the thing about being the end of Bon Jovi's era is that it was the end of the era where they got automatic radio play; they still sell out practically every venue they play and every album they've released since Slippery When Wet has hit the top ten, most often #1

Maybe then it's less a signpost of "career decline" and more a mass discovery of career limits that didn't previously seem obvious/relevant.

Eric H., Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:19 (four years ago) Permalink

Mj's "bad"

I would say it's probably Dangerous, that was MJ's first CD-length album and clearly was meant to be the start of a new era, free from QJ, on to a different sound, etc. etc. And there were a ton of singles from it but compared to Off the Wall, Thriller, and Bad, only maybe one of them is still ubiquitous today (and that one is one of his most routinely mocked).

frogbs, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:19 (four years ago) Permalink

Even less-huge artists have this. e.g., Replacements and Don't Tell a Soul.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:20 (four years ago) Permalink

Genesis - I Can't Dance (in re: the career of Phil Collins)

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:20 (four years ago) Permalink

Don Henley - The End of the Innocence

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:20 (four years ago) Permalink

that album still has a lot of respect for a Don Henley album - in Don's career I'd argue Eagles' Hell Freezes Over

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:21 (four years ago) Permalink

Wait a sec, what about NIN - The Fragile

frogbs, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:21 (four years ago) Permalink

nice one frogbs

skip, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:22 (four years ago) Permalink

yeah but i don't think a New Jersey is necessarily terrible or even critical reviled, it can be good and popular etc but there's this inexpressible sense that the era of this artist is slipping away even as they are super popular at the moment.

Wait a sec, what about NIN - The Fragile

― frogbs, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:21 PM (58 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^this would be a great pick but Trent lets too much time go in between albums, it was a different era when he reemerged, but if it were like a year or two after the downward spiral i'd be totally on board

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:23 (four years ago) Permalink

thing is, an album like End Of The Innocence or Melon Collie isn't loaded with the sense of somebody slipping away, it's just the last album they made before it happened.

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:24 (four years ago) Permalink

and with the pumpkins it's more like Madonna where they had to go and push the envelope too far on the next album

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:25 (four years ago) Permalink

Mellencamp "Lonesome Jubilee"

chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:25 (four years ago) Permalink

ultimately i am not the world's foremost don henley expert....so i will defer.

melon collie DID have some hits, and at least one (1979) that's beloved, but man even at the time that was a fucking SLOG

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:25 (four years ago) Permalink

I hate myself for writing this but... Wild Mood Swings

keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (four years ago) Permalink

INXS - Welcome to Wherever You Are

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (four years ago) Permalink

Mellencamp "Lonesome Jubilee"

― chr1sb3singer, Tuesday, August 7, 2012 12:25 PM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^good one

Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (four years ago) Permalink

I hate myself for writing this but... Wild Mood Swings

― keeping things contextual (DJP), Tuesday, August 7, 2012 1:26 PM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wouldnt wish be a better examp

Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (four years ago) Permalink

I wish Weezer's Make Believe had been one of these but they are just as popular as ever.

skip, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:26 (four years ago) Permalink

this would be a great pick but Trent lets too much time go in between albums, it was a different era when he reemerged, but if it were like a year or two after the downward spiral i'd be totally on board

I see what you mean, this is why I didn't really want to mention Human After All because the follow-up to Discovery would have been huge had it came out in 2003. But The Fragile still sold boatloads.

frogbs, Tuesday, 7 August 2012 17:27 (four years ago) Permalink

uhh

maura, Friday, 25 November 2016 23:09 (four months ago) Permalink

One Dance is def Drakes signature song in that it is completely unmemorable

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Saturday, 26 November 2016 01:18 (four months ago) Permalink

Drake might be rap music's New Jersey

Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 26 November 2016 01:23 (four months ago) Permalink

I don't really think one dance is his signature song. It's like a point of comparison Chris molanphy made, the "how do you want it" to "hotline bling"'s "California love." The former charted way higher

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Saturday, 26 November 2016 01:53 (four months ago) Permalink

hang fire, wasn't The Weeknd in an artistic decline since pretty much after the first mixtape? certainly since Trilogy, i mean Kiss Land was sniffily reviewed left right and centre http://www.metacritic.com/music/kiss-land/the-weeknd

piscesx, Saturday, 26 November 2016 01:58 (four months ago) Permalink

no I think Hotline Bling is his signature song, what I was asking was can a New Jersey have the artist's biggest hit on it (One Dance)?

flappy bird, Saturday, 26 November 2016 02:09 (four months ago) Permalink

yeah "Hotline Bling" is gonna be remembered in 10 years more than "One Dance," chart peaks be damned

mountain dooblebob (some dude), Saturday, 26 November 2016 02:21 (four months ago) Permalink

does this mean one dance is the new jersey of drake singles

qualx, Saturday, 26 November 2016 02:37 (four months ago) Permalink

...yes

flappy bird, Saturday, 26 November 2016 02:37 (four months ago) Permalink

can we new jersey anything?

qualx, Saturday, 26 November 2016 02:37 (four months ago) Permalink

am i in the new jersey of my life? oh god

qualx, Saturday, 26 November 2016 02:37 (four months ago) Permalink

It doesn't really matter if the album has big hits on it - it's a definitive feature of New Jerseys that they are successful! ''Signature song'' might be tougher (though it'd make another fun thread: artists whose biggest song is on an album no one cares about now), but ultimately comes down to a version of the ''well, we'd have to wait and see'' issue that concerns evaluating New Jersey status.

re: Gaga, it was in a conversation about the (then-forthcoming) ARTPOP that we got into New Jerseyism in the first place - but in reference to Born This Way, and the ''successful album that still somehow diminishes the artist'' phenomenon. Each time we circle back to her, it seems more and more clear that yes, it was a New Jersey. Bummer.

walk back to the halftime long, billy lynn, billy lynn (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 26 November 2016 04:53 (four months ago) Permalink

Drake "hold on we're going home" feels like a more timeless piece than hotline bling to me but agree with views being the new jersey moment.

No longer active (Moka), Saturday, 26 November 2016 10:54 (four months ago) Permalink

Another idea for a thread: artists who were expected to follow with a new jersey album but defied expectations e.g. Radiohead with Kid A instead of releasing OKC2.

No longer active (Moka), Saturday, 26 November 2016 10:56 (four months ago) Permalink

was Views an event album though? how many people care abt albums in 2016?

perhaps these days event singles are more likely to signal a career decline

niels, Saturday, 26 November 2016 11:35 (four months ago) Permalink

http://www.billboard.com/articles/business/7565791/drakes-views-has-over-3-billion-spotify-streams

http://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2016/10/28/six-months-in-the-only-person-who-can-stop-views-is-drake-himself/#78be50d57436

Tomorrow marks six months since Drake’s Views was unleashed onto the world, and in just a relatively short period of time, the hip-hop magnate’s album has proven to be a consistent seller, streamer, and truly one for the history books.. When it first hit streaming platforms, it racked up almost a quarter of a billion plays in just one week (despite the fact that it was only available on Apple Music), and that helped the new title begin with a million-plus opening frame, a truly rare feat saved for the biggest the industry has ever known.

piscesx, Saturday, 26 November 2016 11:41 (four months ago) Permalink

i dunno, "As of August 2016, it has sold 1.4 million copies in the United States" which is not too impressive

Hotline Bling and One Dance account for 50% of the album's streams while the least streamed track on the album has 23.5 million listens so I'm not entirely convinced it's a hit album as much as hit singles...

niels, Saturday, 26 November 2016 12:19 (four months ago) Permalink

Jill Stein crowdfunding for a recount after suspected Russian hacks.

attention vampire (MatthewK), Saturday, 26 November 2016 12:19 (four months ago) Permalink

I don't think it makes to much sense to think of streaming as purchases - most users are streaming for free, it's more like radio airplay with users as DJs (and treating streams as radio airplay is probably why Views performs well on the Billboard chart but not equivalent to sales performance)

I imagine these "records" nicely follow the general development in streaming growth https://www.statista.com/statistics/367739/spotify-global-mau/

niels, Saturday, 26 November 2016 12:29 (four months ago) Permalink

For such a supposedly popular artist, it's amazing that I've never heard a single note of this Drake fellow's music in my life. Is he any good? Music is so weird and fragmented now.

Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 26 November 2016 14:48 (four months ago) Permalink

oh come ON there's no way man

walk back to the halftime long, billy lynn, billy lynn (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 26 November 2016 14:53 (four months ago) Permalink

I don't even OWN a Drake

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Saturday, 26 November 2016 22:34 (four months ago) Permalink

Is he any good?

No

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Sunday, 27 November 2016 00:17 (four months ago) Permalink

*adds third thing to mrsnrub.txt*

qualx, Sunday, 27 November 2016 00:24 (four months ago) Permalink

hotline bling bangs

flappy bird, Sunday, 27 November 2016 02:27 (four months ago) Permalink

the only thing that might make views *not* a new jersey is that i don't think it's actually much different from his earlier albums quality-wise lol

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Sunday, 27 November 2016 19:57 (four months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Not a perfect fit but I suddenly thought ofSoul Asylum's Let Your Dim Light Shine just now, and it feels like a suitable contender

if you share please do so with copy and paste (Drugs A. Money), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 19:11 (one month ago) Permalink

the 90s was pretty populated by poorly selling follow-up albums by alt-rock bands who had sizable success with their last album but shed most of their old fans

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 19:22 (one month ago) Permalink

i.e. Dear You by Jawbreaker

flappy bird, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 19:22 (one month ago) Permalink

Everclear's Scenes From An American Dream?

frogbs, Wednesday, 1 February 2017 19:24 (one month ago) Permalink

That did not seem like an event at the time, in my memory. A big (badly-calculated) release but nobody gave a shit.

Was actually just talking about NJ-dom in movies last night; my friends voted for Eraser for Arnold (over True Lies, which imo is a bigger event and more hollow in hindsight) just cause after the fact it doesn't even have the look/feel of a titanic blockbuster starring the biggest action hero on earth. And certainly everything after that point seems VERY diminished versus his heyday. But they also concurred with our earlier discussion of how his timeline is kind of confused by Last Action Hero, etc.

stein beck ii: the wrath of grapes (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 1 February 2017 21:25 (one month ago) Permalink

p4k claims Adele's 25 is a New Jersey:

And in 2017, a strong year for albums—the entire Urban Contemporary category alone would make a fine Album of the Year slate—the voters couldn't find anything more compelling for the main event than Justin Bieber, post-peak Drake, Sturgill Simpson, and a particularly cursory Adele. While 21 defined the zeitgeist and carried the industry in sales for two years, 25 sold well and didn't linger. 25 is the “Set Fire to the Rain” to 21's “Rolling in the Deep."

flappy bird, Monday, 13 February 2017 18:20 (one month ago) Permalink

25 is the third single from 21, 21 being the lead single from 21

niels, Tuesday, 14 February 2017 22:11 (one month ago) Permalink

A third single that is/was still pretty massive.

I think the most recent NJ could be Prism: "Roar" seems to be the only single whose shelf-life has lasted beyond it's initial chart run.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 23:09 (one month ago) Permalink

in fuckin' 2015 colleagues claimed 25 was already a NJ. And the album's already at least matched its predecessor's sales.

No one has a clue how well Adele will do in three years.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 February 2017 23:19 (one month ago) Permalink

well, she is a singer, singer

niels, Thursday, 16 February 2017 13:20 (one month ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Sia fits the bill here I think. "1000 Forms of Fear" was a huge album commercially and did fairly well critically, but it's definitely the moment the train went off the tracks. It's a shame because the album that came before "We Are Born" is probably her best.

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:53 (two weeks ago) Permalink

sia is still minting number ones so idk

maura, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:58 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Ehhhh, idk, pretty hard to argue that there's a "career decline" when the album put forth as a New Jersey is basically her breakthrough, she's only had one album after, and that more recent album has sold as many or more copies than the breakthrough, AND netted her her first #1 on a bunch of charts.

tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:02 (two weeks ago) Permalink

xpost

tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:02 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah I think I'm off the mark here - it's an artistic decline in terms of quality but Sia is still hugely successful.

Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:11 (two weeks ago) Permalink

"Peter Gabriel's Us, maybe? "

I scrolled thruogh the thread to see if this was there. Seems to definitely qualify. This was essentially his last album of his (well, he only really release one new album since then), there was a massive, multi year tour after it, at least 4 singles...and none of them had staying power. Note that I rate the album pretty highly and really love it, and loved the three shows I saw in support of it, but it seems like a weird abberation now for sure.

akm, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 04:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

last album of HITS i mean

akm, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 04:48 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Us may be an outlier but it doesn't feel hollow

niels, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 06:50 (two weeks ago) Permalink

hard to argue for gabriel when he's only released one proper studio album of new material since, ten years after "us", and that album doesn't even seem to have aimed for serious chart success. it's like arguing "the sensual world" as kate bush's "new jersey".

increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 07:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink

25's sales don't disqualify it from being a new jersey, from the OP: it's still super popular and even more popular than the albums that preceded it but there's some sense that the gig is up.

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 17:24 (two weeks ago) Permalink

http://pitchfork.com/news/72471-drakes-more-life-goes-no-1-sets-streaming-record/?mbid=homepage-more-latest-and-video

that settles the question regarding "Views" as a "New Jersey"... no decline yet for Drizzy !
(that said, even before "More Life", I disagreed with the idea of "Views" being a "New Jersey")

AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 27 March 2017 12:01 (three days ago) Permalink

Yeah people get carried away when it comes to drake, lol. Pure wishful thinking. He's not going anywhere.

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Monday, 27 March 2017 12:12 (three days ago) Permalink

i was loudly naysaying the Drake idea upthread, he's the biggest artist in the world, has been for 2 years. makes no sense to suggest otherwise!

piscesx, Monday, 27 March 2017 13:44 (three days ago) Permalink


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