What do you think of MTV Teen Mom Farrah Abraham's first single?

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Am I a rockist if I say this is one of the worst things I've ever heard?

http://www.intouchweekly.com/entertainment/news/sneak-preview-teen-mom-farrah-s-first-single#.UCA4nUQ6psu

thirdalternative, Monday, 6 August 2012 21:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

people listen to these things exclusively for the opportunity to say that, don't they?

Diary of a Whiney Kid: Dog Days (some dude), Monday, 6 August 2012 22:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

pretty much

Shrimpface Killah (Noodle Vague), Monday, 6 August 2012 22:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

I've just finished listening to this entire album, and you've really got to hear it. It's pure outsider art - fucking brilliant. Makes Peaches and Le Tigre sound like Taylor Swift. Seriously, here's the Spotify link, judge for yourself. I haven't heard anything this alienating in years - the Autotune abuse is so over the top and jarring, the lyrics are so disconnected and seemingly random, there's no way this happened by accident. This girl (because I think she produced this herself, I can't find credits anywhere) is some kind of insane genius.

誤訳侮辱, Sunday, 19 August 2012 01:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 19 August 2012 01:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

Debra_Bags

some dude, Sunday, 19 August 2012 01:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

scott seward, Sunday, 19 August 2012 02:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

i gotta admit just when i thought i'd heard everything...

scott seward, Sunday, 19 August 2012 02:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm telling you, she's some kind of genius outsider artist. I want to review this album for The Wire.

誤訳侮辱, Sunday, 19 August 2012 02:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

i do like that its so short.

scott seward, Sunday, 19 August 2012 02:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'm always hoping people go back to the 2 minute single. and definitely in her case. it makes the dementia more concise and easier to focus on.

scott seward, Sunday, 19 August 2012 02:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

wow this is genuinely incredible

steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 19 August 2012 02:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

Did she just leave autotune on its default setting or something?

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 19 August 2012 02:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

the autotune is really the least weird thing about it, lots of people have made more raw/amateurish use of it the last of people. the words and the random meter are just bizarre.

some dude, Sunday, 19 August 2012 02:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

er "the last few years"

some dude, Sunday, 19 August 2012 02:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

i pretty much wrote a farrah lyric by accident for a second there

some dude, Sunday, 19 August 2012 02:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

super interesting thing about it is that it really is an audible lesson in what autotune can't fix. compare this to the flavor flav single from a few years back. flav can't sing for shit, but he has the basic idea down - he just has bad pitch. he sings the song, they autotune the shit out of it, now when he sings "deeeeep" it sounds like a robot hitting the note. on this, her leaps are so far from the actual melody that AT or melodyne just corrects to something near it, and it's still audibly wrong. then they build the track around that, it sounds like. this is less outsider than...like those sound-library discs collectors get obsessed with?

steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 19 August 2012 02:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

oops here

scott seward, Sunday, 19 August 2012 02:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

You guys haven't even seen the video! She and her daughter visit the father's grave (if you're not a Teen Mom viewer, you should know that Farrah's kid's father is dead):

The whole song repeats twice - it's like the Residents' "Commercial Album" principle applied without a wink.

誤訳侮辱, Sunday, 19 August 2012 02:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

that one almost sounds like xiu xiu xp

half-worm inchworm tapeworm (donna rouge), Sunday, 19 August 2012 02:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

a friend's girlfriend works as a producer on Teen Mom, really need to talk to them about this next time i see them

some dude, Sunday, 19 August 2012 02:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

love how that song ends with the phrase "this is the best i can do," delivered with an autotuned shrug

some dude, Sunday, 19 August 2012 02:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

not having seen the show & having only these to go on I gotta say there's something in the earnestness of her delivery and the unrevised bluntness of the lines that's kind of moving in the way some GUYS I JUST REALIZED SOMETHING ABOUT THE WORLD hardcore used to be, these lyrics that'd be like THERE HAS TO BE! A BETTER WAY!

at any rate enjoy it while you can, by this time next week you will be as sick of this as you got of Rebecca Black

steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 19 August 2012 02:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

the header of her official website is "Your go to public figure..."

some dude, Sunday, 19 August 2012 02:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

at any rate enjoy it while you can, by this time next week you will be as sick of this as you got of Rebecca Black

I'll have moved on to something else for sure, but this is a completely different kind of kick for me. Rebecca Black (who I never got even momentarily interested in) was a girl trying to make pop music and mostly failing; this is something else. I'm genuinely unsure whether this girl thinks she's making pop records which could be hits, or whether she's making some kind of bizarro confessional art-song. To tie it into something Scott said on Facebook, I feel like Editions Mego should license this album and put it out with cover art designed by Stephen O'Malley and see what happens.

誤訳侮辱, Sunday, 19 August 2012 02:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah i mean the album is a soundtrack to her book right? i kinda wonder if she has any misguided pop ambitions or just threw it together as part of her media platform

some dude, Sunday, 19 August 2012 03:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah it's different & more fun for sure but online it will play out the same way, with 10 million people saying THIS SUCKS in as many "clever" ways as they can xp

steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 19 August 2012 03:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

wow she's like the lucia pamela of the autotune generation. tracks need more cowbell tho

cock chirea, Sunday, 19 August 2012 03:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

This is fucking wild. I am in awe.

Everything You Like Sucks, Sunday, 19 August 2012 06:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

I would probably have believed it if someone told me 'Finally Getting Up...' was the new Crystal Castles single tbh.

pandemic, Sunday, 19 August 2012 11:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

This is amazing. Reminds me a lot of the Russian Youtube-hit singer Anzhela London. Same blend of twisted-commercial-pop elements and outsider art.

Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Sunday, 19 August 2012 11:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

The album is quite remarkable. As mentioned upthread, it really doesn't sound like it ended up being weird, abrasive and disjointed accidentally. Appalling music can certainly take on a strange avant-garde quality without meaning to but this sounds more deliberate and focused somehow.

Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Sunday, 19 August 2012 11:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

that one almost sounds like xiu xiu xp

― half-worm inchworm tapeworm (donna rouge), Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:34 AM (19 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^

it's-a me, irl (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 19 August 2012 22:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

like by the law of averages there are probably gonna be ppl that look at this thread w/o listening to the songs and think that this is just a bunch of music nerds hi-fiving over fucking Residents references or whatever, but... this is really... something

it's-a me, irl (DJ Mencap), Sunday, 19 August 2012 22:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

haha pandemic OTM, this is super reminiscent of Crystal Castles to me

Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Sunday, 19 August 2012 22:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'm really into it. the whole album. it's like if supposed former infatuation junkie era alanis made an edm record.

hamlisch kilgour (get bent), Sunday, 19 August 2012 22:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

just otm-ing everyone at this point but the song is almost avant garde, pretend it came out of brooklyn with some blog buzz anda nice visual aesthetic and sky's the limit.

call all destroyer, Sunday, 19 August 2012 22:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

there's no musical throughline to her melodies, it's just diary entries sung at random pitches.

hamlisch kilgour (get bent), Sunday, 19 August 2012 22:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah, this stuff is pretty rad. one of her songs was making the rounds on my Facebook feed for the LOLZ a few days ago and i ended up listening to it probably 8 times in a row.

circa1916, Sunday, 19 August 2012 23:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

Damn,....

I cannot fucking believe I'm saying this but

Is this on itunes?

Jandek at the Disco (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 20 August 2012 00:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

xiu xiu is a surprisingly apt comparison. mindfuck.

jed_, Monday, 20 August 2012 00:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

I seriously can't believe this is related to an MTV reality star, like I feel we're going to find out this is actually Har Mar Superstar with a pitchshifter

Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Monday, 20 August 2012 03:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

this girl's persona on the show is completely tragic btw. a lot of legitimately bad things have happened to her (boyfriend dying, her mom is abusive iirc) but she's also kind of awful. her speaking voice is one of the least appealing sounds.

horseshoe, Monday, 20 August 2012 03:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh I got the speaking voice thing from her Youtube cooking show, which was really the end of the world

this album is weirdly compelling though

Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Monday, 20 August 2012 03:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

like "Liar Liar" is genuinely amazing

Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Monday, 20 August 2012 03:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think Romney blasts this on his tour bus, since it's sadface android music

Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Monday, 20 August 2012 03:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

I wrote about her for the sci-fi website io9.

誤訳侮辱, Monday, 3 September 2012 21:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

you guys

this may be my favorite release of 2012

DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 02:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

like wtf is going on in "Caught In The Act"

DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 02:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

http://www.fishwrapper.com/post/2013/10/09/farrah-abraham-daughter-mother-worst-eyebrows-tweeze-photos/

These days, former Teen Mom star Farrah Abraham spends most of her time appearing at strip clubs or giving interviews. But she insists time apart from daughter Sophia, 4, isn't hurting the little girl. "It's healthy that we have a break," claims Farrah, 22 (whose dad lives near her and Sophia in Texas). "She has her own life and is doing her own thing, and I'm doing mine.

Read more: http://www.fishwrapper.com/post/2013/10/09/farrah-abraham-daughter-mother-worst-eyebrows-tweeze-photos/#ixzz2hSCxbu8N
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lorde willin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 11 October 2013 22:10 (9 months ago) Permalink

O_O

Bitch Fantastic (DJP), Friday, 11 October 2013 22:11 (9 months ago) Permalink

Lovely.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 12 October 2013 18:15 (9 months ago) Permalink

The details of her "$1M contract" were finally revealed a couple of weeks ago.

She got $10k up front and then 3% royalties. At last count, Vivid reported about $125k paid to the "Back Door Teen Mom".

While not chump change, the payout looks to come in far short of a million dollars.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 12 October 2013 18:21 (9 months ago) Permalink

still can't quite wrap my head around how bizarre her antic have been, even for your typical reality celeb, and it's only amplified by her cult status as this weird "outsider artist".

On that note, I showed a friend some of her work and she said it just sounded like house beats with weird over-autotuned vocals on top of them. I'm not too great at analyzing music, but is that description really that accurate? It's never sounded like anything with which I could make real comparisons.

arctic mindbath (President of the People's Republic of Antarctica), Saturday, 12 October 2013 23:32 (9 months ago) Permalink

definitely not

dyl, Sunday, 13 October 2013 01:54 (9 months ago) Permalink

it sounds like the music teenagers make when they're just starting out with sequencers

fresh (crüt), Sunday, 13 October 2013 02:12 (9 months ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

looks like this guy produced for the album?

like the combination of piano and strings about 30 seconds into this track he's talking about sounds uncannily similar to that in e.g. "searching for closure" so i am ready to believe it

dyl, Thursday, 5 December 2013 07:35 (7 months ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

NEW FARRAH ABRAHAM SONG!!!

Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 01:29 (4 months ago) Permalink

my Farrah connect told me she was working on new music a while back, i'd been looking forward to this XD

The Greta Gerwig In The Sky (some dude), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 01:34 (4 months ago) Permalink

And they said autotune makes everyone sound the same, pft

james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 01:37 (4 months ago) Permalink

the production feels slightly more standard but that just makes the autotune excesses seem even more out-there.

Merdeyeux, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 01:53 (4 months ago) Permalink

The guy mentioned upthread with the Facebook profile is an audio engineer at a studio down the road from the Art Institute of Ft. Lauderdale, where FLA went to school for a bit. Wikipedia now says he produced the whole album, but no cite. Is it time for the important two-year anniversary retrospective?

cr4bdbgs, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 02:07 (4 months ago) Permalink

Interesting how you can be considered an 'outsider artist' when you are a reality show star on MTV. It certainly doesn't drain that term of all meaning.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 02:47 (4 months ago) Permalink

bored tonight and catching up on ilm threads, this is incredibly sad:

But she insists time apart from daughter Sophia, 4, isn't hurting the little girl. "It's healthy that we have a break," claims Farrah, 22 (whose dad lives near her and Sophia in Texas). "She has her own life and is doing her own thing, and I'm doing mine.

as the father of a 4-year-old girl, i'd bet Sophia is not all that happy to have a "healthy" break from her mom to focus on "her own life and ... her own thing"

for sure, 4-year-olds are starting to develop their own lives and their own things, but in general, a 4-year-old girl's life IS her mom/parents. Farrah talks about her like she's 17.

heartbreaking.

alpine static, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 07:32 (4 months ago) Permalink

4-yr-olds are basically starting school all day?

lex pretend, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 08:26 (4 months ago) Permalink

Interesting how you can be considered an 'outsider artist' when you are a reality show star on MTV. It certainly doesn't drain that term of all meaning.

― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, March 18, 2014 2:47 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what a disaster for outsider artistry

in my day this was all feels (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 08:33 (4 months ago) Permalink

It's high time she teamed up with Chaka Khan for an inflammatorily titled duo project

Slight damage to cover on top corner (chewed by a kitten) (Craigo Boingo), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 08:39 (4 months ago) Permalink

this is a tune, anyway, more conventional than one would think but i'm singing the chorus before it's halfway over

lex pretend, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 08:40 (4 months ago) Permalink

omg her dancing in the avatar of her own twitter account

reddening, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 08:45 (4 months ago) Permalink

but isn't reality tv just outsider acting

based grandpa (noz), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 14:49 (4 months ago) Permalink

If it's on TV it is not outsider, it is monoculture.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 14:50 (4 months ago) Permalink

It's kind of like when you had critics saying the blurry action scenes in Transformers 3 was a brilliant work of abstract art.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 14:51 (4 months ago) Permalink

okay but her music is not on tv so

based grandpa (noz), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:26 (4 months ago) Permalink

'outsider' means unschooled if not mentally ill

goole, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:29 (4 months ago) Permalink

like, gw bush is an outsider painter

goole, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:29 (4 months ago) Permalink

and he was president!!

point is it's a pretty dumm and fraught term

goole, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:30 (4 months ago) Permalink

"outsider" is also often used with a shade of "fails to achieve what it sets out to achieve but accidentally achieves something else great"

it's kind of a condescending term in that way, but honestly it's hard to imagine listening to farrah abraham in a way not slightly tainted by condescension.

james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:32 (4 months ago) Permalink

adam bruneau = the board's Allan Bloom

james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:33 (4 months ago) Permalink

"but honestly it's hard to imagine listening to farrah abraham in a way not slightly tainted by condescension."

what if you find value in the sounds she makes and the emotions she conveys

based grandpa (noz), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:40 (4 months ago) Permalink

condescension is underrated

goole, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:42 (4 months ago) Permalink

Yeah i thought 'outsider art' meant 'Someone who is living outside of society'. Shut-ins, hermits, etc.

Applying it to W or Farrah seems to invoke a different meaning, more to do with kitsch or ironic appropriation (and including condescension).

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:44 (4 months ago) Permalink

Her music is pretty interesting tho, I have to admit. Like if a more boring version of Ed Wood had been given Michael Bay's budgets.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:45 (4 months ago) Permalink

I'm like 98% sure I've already had this convo w/ you but the idea that authentic outsider artists (lol) aren't subject to kitsch or ironic appropriation or condescension is just baffling to me

in my day this was all feels (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:49 (4 months ago) Permalink

Ok punching holes in whatever dumb arguments are making is fine, and I admit I'm trolling a little. Still, how 'outsider' can you be when your first single is premiered on http://www.intouchweekly.com?

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 17:33 (4 months ago) Permalink

You seem to have a weirdly rigid idea of what constitutes "outside" society adam

Surely it's possible to feel like an outsider or express outsiderdom even while ostensibly being part of mainstream society? Especially if you're someone who's experienced the kind of life trauma and weirdness FA has?

lex pretend, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 18:45 (4 months ago) Permalink

'outsider' is a slippery concept, obviously superstars & heads of state &c. often feel separated & isolated, kanye feels persecuted or w/e, but expressing that is different from being removed from mainstream aesthetic discourse

ogmor, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 19:47 (4 months ago) Permalink

Like if a more boring version of Ed Wood had been given Michael Bay's budgets.

if she's going to be like any version of Ed Wood then surely she meets some reasonable definition of 'outsider'? I'm sure anyone who wanted to be a pop star and had a reasonable budget or backing could get some jobbing producer (e.g. anyone above ARK Music Factory standards) and make something that did a passable if probably not very interesting job of being pop music. That FA seems to have deviated from that easy path somewhat is notable at least.

Merdeyeux, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:02 (4 months ago) Permalink

But Ed Wood didn't have his own syndicated show and flock of gossip magazines eating up everything he said did he?

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:06 (4 months ago) Permalink

But yeah y'all have some good points to make and yeah my idea of 'outsider artist' does seem to clash w the regularly accepted parameters. Just seems like someone doing something really pedestrian and mainstream but utterly failing, rather than bringing anything unique to the table other than a complete lack of talent. But it doesn't really matter that much to me so I'll shut up about it.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:13 (4 months ago) Permalink

I doubt it's THAT easy -- I imagine most jobbing producers would prefer not to work with reality stars, hence most reality stars getting fairly fifth-string producers

katherine, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:16 (4 months ago) Permalink

(I kind of like to think of "outsider artist" in terms of "will this shit still exist in 30 years or is it doomed to be ephemeral" but that's also a re-interpretation)

katherine, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:17 (4 months ago) Permalink

there's plenty of ultra-mainstream crap that is forgotten immediately tho

ogmor, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:21 (4 months ago) Permalink

I like imagining that "the dude who runs the audio recording facility closest to Art Institute of Ft. Lauderdale" is the Michael Bay of pop music! Would like to know if this guy actually produced the whole album, though.

cr4bdbgs, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:29 (4 months ago) Permalink

there's definitely something in the term about slippage between intent and effect. i think what we mean an artist who has some aesthetic power but it's not what was intended. or the intent is really opaque.

one of my favorite local art exhibits of the past few years was a bunch of work done as part of art therapy for people with really profound mental illness or disability. there's almost no way to talk about it w/o terms that slide into condescension, i guess. but just on a formal level these artists happened upon (see? "happened upon") ways of working or repeating things that were really affecting. and maybe they wouldn't have been so powerful had i not known the story; there's no way of knowing.

goole, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:31 (4 months ago) Permalink

W/ Farrah Abraham "outsider" is an easy way to avoid using the phrase "experimental artist," which she (also?) is. It might hedge against agency/intentionality (probably not wrongly, but who knows?). It's a bit of a game of not quite this ("experimental musician") but definitely not that ("pop star"). I really don't understand how anyone could listen to "MTDE" and think, "oh man, listen to all these failed pop songs!"

I figure that "My Teenage Dream Ended" sounds very much like what she was intending it to sound like. I think she was messing around and through ambiguous means ended up with something great, and that any accidental greatness isn't any more or less accidental than anyone else's greatness.

cr4bdbgs, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:44 (4 months ago) Permalink

CelebURty -CelebURty --CelebURty

is there some deep meaning behind her spelling it this way in the video description's lyrics? anyway i am really enjoying this

dyl, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 23:04 (4 months ago) Permalink

i figured it was just "U R a celebrity"?

The Greta Gerwig In The Sky (some dude), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 23:49 (4 months ago) Permalink

I am singing this new song constantly.

boxedjoy, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 20:55 (4 months ago) Permalink

xp oh of course! farrah is always operating a level ahead of me when it comes to wordplay and such (only just realized that fla, in addition to obv being her initials, refers to "the sunshine state" itself)

i've also been playing this song more than i thought i would initially

dyl, Thursday, 27 March 2014 00:54 (4 months ago) Permalink


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