This is the POLL We Live In: Genesis - Invisible Touch

fuck, this album is the bald Thriller

― Barack 2 Chainz Obama (some dude), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 02:33 (10 months ago) Permalink

srsly

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 02:33 (10 months ago) Permalink

Hmmm I don't know the album tracks, but tell me that's a sidelong prog suite about tony banks getting his pubes waxed

― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 02:43 (10 months ago) Permalink

it's a sidelong prog suite about Tony Banks getting his pubes waxed.

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 02:45 (10 months ago) Permalink

Invisible Touch, Land of Confusion or Throwing It All Away. Going with the latter.

― jetfan, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 03:00 (10 months ago) Permalink

tell me that's a sidelong prog suite about tony banks getting his pubes waxed

Domino is not too far off from that

― Team Safeword (Abbbottt), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 03:13 (10 months ago) Permalink

Splitting "Domino" into its components is cheating!

― PITILESS LIVE SHOW (DJP), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 03:16 (10 months ago) Permalink

I wish I could find DJP's great post about that song from years back. It made me buy Invisible Touch!

― Team Safeword (Abbbottt), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 03:16 (10 months ago) Permalink

Which half of Domino has the line about the beautiful rivers of blood?

― Team Safeword (Abbbottt), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 03:17 (10 months ago) Permalink

"The Last Domino," between which and "The Brazilian" I am wavering between voting. "The Last Domino" is the one that really modified me when I was listening to this a lot, but "The Brazilian" is the one that no one pays attention to but which is amazing. But now that I'm listening to "The Brazilian" I'm finding the drums a little bit fussy and leaning towards "The Last Domino." Will report back.

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 03:42 (10 months ago) Permalink

Title track is the best of the singles on this, by the way. Late-period Genesis was great at straght hits ("That's All", "Invisible Touch") and great at weirdo over-the-top prog-genre exercises ("Domino", "Silver Rainbow") but never combined the two in a satsifying way after "Abacab" (which to be fair is greater than anything of any kind they recorded after it.)

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 03:46 (10 months ago) Permalink

― ostrich tuning (get bent), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 03:52 (10 months ago) Permalink

Title track is the best of the singles on this, by the way. Late-period Genesis was great at straght hits ("That's All", "Invisible Touch") and great at weirdo over-the-top prog-genre exercises ("Domino", "Silver Rainbow") but never combined the two in a satsifying way after "Abacab" (which to be fair is greater than anything of any kind they recorded after it.)

This is pretty OTM and explains why I Can't Dance doesn't work

― PITILESS LIVE SHOW (DJP), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 03:54 (10 months ago) Permalink

Confession: the only single I don't like is "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight."

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 13:16 (10 months ago) Permalink

^ That's the only one of these songs I DO like.

― Marco YOLO (Phil D.), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 13:20 (10 months ago) Permalink

"Tonight, Tonight, Tonight" is massive imo, definitely considering voting for it

― Barack 2 Chainz Obama (some dude), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 13:26 (10 months ago) Permalink

my dad musta played this tape in the car every day for a year and i still can't remember anything but the hits

― big-mammed punisher (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 13:28 (10 months ago) Permalink

Still protesting splitting "Domino" in half, going with "In the Glow of the Night" because of the chorus

― PITILESS LIVE SHOW (DJP), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 13:29 (10 months ago) Permalink

i have a feeling it was my dad's attempt to introduce me to his beloved prog at any early age, but i guess it kinda backfired because it only left me with a lingering obsession with mid 80s pop schlock.

― big-mammed punisher (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 13:32 (10 months ago) Permalink

thanks to Collins' pop instincts, "Domino" IS mid 80's pop schlock.

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 13:33 (10 months ago) Permalink

it's kind of crazy to me that "In Too Deep" is one of the weaker songs on this album

― PITILESS LIVE SHOW (DJP), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 14:20 (10 months ago) Permalink

NOW SEE WHAT YOU'VE GONE 'N' DONE

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 14:21 (10 months ago) Permalink

You've got to go Domino.

― jim, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 14:24 (10 months ago) Permalink

btw Abbs, here's that post you referenced: So what about that New Toyota Ad with Phil Collins?

― PITILESS LIVE SHOW (DJP), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 14:27 (10 months ago) Permalink

Collins at his most punchable?

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 14:36 (10 months ago) Permalink

haha somehow I knew that was going to be the "Invisible Touch" video

although have you seen the "Anything She Does" video? it may be the most punchable thing ever:

― PITILESS LIVE SHOW (DJP), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 14:42 (10 months ago) Permalink

Immense poll. Side one is unfuckwithable, side two isn't sticking except The Brazilian, which is nice. Love Phil's vocals, they're so *urgent*. Has this been hugely compressed, actually? It's far more punchy than these headphones normally allow.

Anyway, I'm going with Tonight, Tonight, Tonight. This album is the most forbidden of fruit for me btw - has never been remotely fashionable, looks horrible, probably politically vile AND was one of the handful of contemporary records my parents owned.

― Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 14:45 (10 months ago) Permalink

The bridge on Tonight, Tonight, Tonight is epic.

― Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 15:19 (10 months ago) Permalink

I remember liking the bridge. Maybe I should listen to the album version before dismissing it (it's been years).

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 16:10 (10 months ago) Permalink

oh you really should

― PITILESS LIVE SHOW (DJP), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 16:11 (10 months ago) Permalink

my god so everything here was a single or B-side except "Domino."

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 16:14 (10 months ago) Permalink

according to Wikipedia, both halves of "Domino" were b-sides (to "Invisible Touch" and "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight" respectively)

― PITILESS LIVE SHOW (DJP), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 16:18 (10 months ago) Permalink

bald Thriller, y'all

― Barack 2 Chainz Obama (some dude), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 16:21 (10 months ago) Permalink

"Tonight, Tonight, Tonight" (album version) vs. "Throwing It All Away." "Land of Confusion" is really good, too. I like the dual epics at the end, but as much as I admire Tony Banks, in the '80s much of his work sounded like a preset demo (see: solo on "Abacab," solo on "Tonightx3," much of "Domino" and "Brazilian."

I love this record. I was talking to a friend about the drums on "Throwing It All Away," just this perfect, immediately-identifiable groove, something that Phil can pull off better than most.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 16:25 (10 months ago) Permalink

The ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-AHH's on "Throwing it All Away" are A+.

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 16:27 (10 months ago) Permalink

a wonderful keyboardist but from the looks of those videos (and the "Behind The Music" episode) there might not be a duller person in the history of the world than Tony Banks.

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 16:28 (10 months ago) Permalink

By the way, I find these guys so far from punchable it's silly to even suggest it. No one could say they didn't put in the time and effort and talent. I think they were as amused at their super-stardom as anyone. Just a bunch of upper class - and yes, dull - British dudes and their hammy working class buddy. Who it bears noting took a while to give in to the spotlight and get his smug on.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 16:31 (10 months ago) Permalink

a while back i made a thread about artists who had a long streak of every album selling more than the last where i just marveled at the fact that these guys had a thirteen-album streak of getting bigger and bigger (6 w/ Gabriel, 7 with Collins), which is kind of unheard of.

― Barack 2 Chainz Obama (some dude), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 16:33 (10 months ago) Permalink

In a Q Magazine article published around the time of Calling All Stations (lol), Mike Rutherford, asked about that very fact, goes, "Well, we're prepared to take the hit this time."

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 16:38 (10 months ago) Permalink

well, We Can't Dance technically broke the streak but that still sold 4 million or something

― Barack 2 Chainz Obama (some dude), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 16:39 (10 months ago) Permalink

I think the record stood until CAS in England.

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 16:41 (10 months ago) Permalink

Ed Goodgold on dullness (from the Genesis Archive booklet):

I told them that it was my practice to hire detectives to follow all the musicians that I managed while they were on tour and that I had just received the report from the agency. I took an envelope out of my pocket and started reading the report: 'Of the five detectives originally assigned to follow the members of Genesis on their inaugural tour of the States, four have died of boredom. The fifth...the fifth is in a coma.'

I like Tony Banks. He comes across earnest, straightforward, and mostly just interested in talking about the music.

― jim, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 16:54 (10 months ago) Permalink

Sounds a bit like Rush. In that (great) doc, the band talks about how on their stint opening for Kiss, the Kiss guys would be going nuts, while the Rush guys would be reading. Kiss could not compute.

For those who have not seen this classic 1972 clip, it's got Tony playing guitar. And Peter playing flute.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 17:17 (10 months ago) Permalink

man the 2007 remaster of this is TERRIBLE, just A/B'd it with the original and i can tell even on spotify

― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 19:13 (10 months ago) Permalink

2007 remaster shat all over Trick of the Tail, too.

― SongOfSam, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 20:07 (10 months ago) Permalink

Pretty sure 2007 Genesis remasters were actually reMIXES. Big difference.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 22:26 (10 months ago) Permalink

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/archive/index.php/t-234428.html

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 22:27 (10 months ago) Permalink

fuck, this album is the bald Thriller
― Barack 2 Chainz Obama (some dude), Wednesday, July 18, 2012 3:33 AM (20 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this might be my favorite thing ever written on ILM
Serious thank yous

― Walter Galt, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 22:52 (10 months ago) Permalink

:)

― Barack 2 Chainz Obama (some dude), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 22:58 (10 months ago) Permalink

The title track, which is the only thing I can stomach off this thing. Post-Hackett Genesis ain't really my bag.

― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Friday, 20 July 2012 02:02 (10 months ago) Permalink

but these are the hands we're givein

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 July 2012 02:04 (10 months ago) Permalink

fuck, this album is the bald Thriller

― Barack 2 Chainz Obama (some dude), Wednesday, July 18, 2012 2:33 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

As well as being an epic meditation on intangibility? Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear the nuance of every instrument.

― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Friday, 20 July 2012 02:08 (10 months ago) Permalink

Pretty sure 2007 Genesis remasters were actually reMIXES. Big difference.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, July 18, 2012 5:26 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah okay that makes sense because some stuff was way different (and way worse)

― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 20 July 2012 02:10 (10 months ago) Permalink

I agree that the 2007 re-releases didn't always get it right, but I thought Trick Of The Tail sounded great.

― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Friday, 20 July 2012 02:13 (10 months ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

― System, Thursday, 26 July 2012 00:01 (9 months ago) Permalink

I wrote a long screed about a year or two ago about how "Tonight Tonight Tonight" (and to a lesser extent the album generally) had a massive emotional impact on c. 5 year old me. I can't really be objective in this poll.

― Tim F, Thursday, 26 July 2012 00:21 (9 months ago) Permalink

can you link to the screed?

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 July 2012 00:21 (9 months ago) Permalink

Defend the Indefensible: Genesis' "Invisible Touch"

― Tim F, Thursday, 26 July 2012 00:24 (9 months ago) Permalink

The album cover completely mystified me until recently, but one of my possible interpretations of the image within the square was a penis head with cartoon eyes drawn on it with the shadow of a broken gun.

― how's life, Thursday, 26 July 2012 00:32 (9 months ago) Permalink

Fantastic post, Tim.

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 July 2012 00:48 (9 months ago) Permalink

Wow. That's the best and most otm post on all ilx.

― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 26 July 2012 03:57 (9 months ago) Permalink

I read that before because it sent me on a Spotify question for this:

the gentle but widescreen mysticism of the extended mix of the Commodores' "Night Shift".

And agree, great post.

― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 26 July 2012 15:34 (9 months ago) Permalink

er, quest, not question

― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 26 July 2012 15:34 (9 months ago) Permalink

re: Tim's post and "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight", isn't that song specifically about an addict? Which makes its use in this Michelob commercial even more twisted/wrong:

― keeping things contextual (DJP), Thursday, 26 July 2012 15:56 (9 months ago) Permalink

also I should not have started playing this album because I now am second-guessing my vote

both TTT and LoC are fucking monstrous

― keeping things contextual (DJP), Thursday, 26 July 2012 16:08 (9 months ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

― System, Friday, 27 July 2012 00:01 (9 months ago) Permalink

Whoah, shocker.

― Naive Teen Idol, Friday, 27 July 2012 16:05 (9 months ago) Permalink

yeah didn't really see that coming

― keeping things contextual (DJP), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:09 (9 months ago) Permalink

It has a built-in ability!

― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 July 2012 16:11 (9 months ago) Permalink

The Brazilian over In Too Deep! Wow.

― Crabbits, Friday, 27 July 2012 23:10 (9 months ago) Permalink

As it should be!

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 28 July 2012 00:32 (9 months ago) Permalink

"Domino" driving down a deserted Turnpike on an early Sunday afternoon.

― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 14 January 2013 00:16 (4 months ago) Permalink