it seems pretty dumb that the actuall YELLOW AND GREEN version is like only 500 copies and on shitty see-thru vinyl
― camp lo magellan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 July 2012 23:12 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i was too late for it mine is the orange one ltd to 1500
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Thursday, 19 July 2012 23:28 (eleven years ago) link
― camp lo magellan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:12 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i already said it itt but......relapse! fuck those guys.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 19 July 2012 23:42 (eleven years ago) link
Orange is opaque vinyl and is gonna sound better #yolo
― camp lo magellan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 19 July 2012 23:47 (eleven years ago) link
is that the swirly peach job, or the yellow-looking one. i like the peach. would buy, if i had 40 bucks to spend on music i'm already listening to.
anyway, i've listened to this a couple few more times. warming up to green, though it's spotty at best. figure if you swapped a couple of the better tracks in for "sea lungs" and "eula", you'd have a damn near perfect, if rather short, single album in yellow.
not sure that this music lives or dies by its hooks. i say that cuz a lot of these songs seem to get by on arrangement, texture and a burly sort of yearning - without being all that immediately memorable. personally, i think yellow's greatest strength is its sense of musical geography. in that, it suggests a 70s ideal: the album as a journey through fantastic lands. pink floyd, yes, king crimson, that sort of thing.
i do wonder, now that i've had a little time to process it, why there's so little trace of, you know, real heavy metal on this thing. i don't mind the soft, clean, processed sounds, but the "rocking out" moments are too muffled and polite to generate much heat. the fuzztone guitar at the end of "cocanium", for instance, feels like it's trying to bust out and kick some ass, but the production and arrangement keep everything too carefully reined in. the overall smoothness might even be more striking if it were subject to the occasional violent interruption.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 19 July 2012 23:50 (eleven years ago) link
but the "rocking out" moments are too muffled and polite to generate much heat.
this is completely otm
― call all destroyer, Friday, 20 July 2012 00:08 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, like hammers of misfortune go for (and often nail) the same kind of epic, slightly cheezy unicorn uplift, but they balance it out with some real chopping.
― contenderizer, Friday, 20 July 2012 00:20 (eleven years ago) link
it's v. frustrating because the band responsible for this succinct blast of hooky, heavy, melodic rock with just a splash of prog sounds completely lost in the weeds now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH9KMlf7p78
― call all destroyer, Friday, 20 July 2012 00:25 (eleven years ago) link
well, i do like Y&G a good deal more than you, so i'll quibble with "lost in the woods", but rays on pinion is badass, yeah. not to mention:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22xFxEwcZ2Q
― contenderizer, Friday, 20 July 2012 00:34 (eleven years ago) link
do wonder who ray is and what's the deal with his opinion
― contenderizer, Friday, 20 July 2012 00:36 (eleven years ago) link
i mean i shouldn't bitch about how the record sounds, there will hardly be any good sounding "pro" rock albums ever from now on so i better get used to it. and this isn't particularly obnoxious or anything. it's just good bass & drum sound are lost to history mostly. :(
I think the album sounds great, but it's true that it does not try to sound like 1972. But there's a whole shitload of bands dedicated to reproducing that sound, and many are amazing, recent ones being Captain Crimson, Orcus Chylde and Kadavar. Looking forward to the new Witchcraft too.
― Fastnbulbous, Friday, 20 July 2012 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, i was thinking of witchcraft in response to m@tt's complaints about the sound, though i'm not sure why. i like the committed psych/prog 70s-ness of Y&G just as i enjoyed those elements on blue record, but i'm glad that baroness aren't a wayback machine. i respect their attempt to integrate those sounds and styles with something more modern, even if they do sometimes get stuck in the late 90s.
― contenderizer, Friday, 20 July 2012 20:45 (eleven years ago) link
if you actually think clear vinyl is lower quality than opaque vinyl that is a sad comment on how much you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to vinyl
― tallarico dreams (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 20 July 2012 21:08 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, the clear kind has less optical drag
― contenderizer, Friday, 20 July 2012 21:18 (eleven years ago) link
lol A+. also less heavy diffraction
― tallarico dreams (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 20 July 2012 21:27 (eleven years ago) link
buncha experts up in here
― scott seward, Friday, 20 July 2012 21:33 (eleven years ago) link
don't take it from me, talk to people who actually cut records like I've been doing for nearly 20 years
― tallarico dreams (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 20 July 2012 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
did you just say "don't take it from me, take it from me"
― PITILESS LIVE SHOW (DJP), Friday, 20 July 2012 21:35 (eleven years ago) link
that is approaching "sink their boats then give them new boats" levels of awesome
― PITILESS LIVE SHOW (DJP), Friday, 20 July 2012 21:36 (eleven years ago) link
experts will tell you black vinyl is best
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 20 July 2012 21:37 (eleven years ago) link
vinyl starts out clear. then they add carbon black to it. if you think the adding of carbon black makes the vinyl sound better then you should also look into drawing around just the edge of your cds with a green marker. you have to use a special green marker though I'm the only guy I know who has them. they start to lose potency after 5-10 cds. they are 20 dollars apiece how many would you like?
― tallarico dreams (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 20 July 2012 21:40 (eleven years ago) link
no no - I don't "cut" records I just make music. "Cutting records" means actually producing the master. John Golden, Andy VenDette, guys like that. Please tell them about how clear colored vinyl doesn't "sound as good" as opaque colored vinyl. Then get a tattoo of the look they give you because that look will be priceless.
― tallarico dreams (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 20 July 2012 21:47 (eleven years ago) link
http://turntabling.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/Man-or-Astroman-Your-Weight-On-The-Moon.jpg
^ way to go
― contenderizer, Friday, 20 July 2012 21:48 (eleven years ago) link
i was only stating what vinyl 'experts' say.
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 20 July 2012 21:50 (eleven years ago) link
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1212/644691063_995935c97d.jpg
objectively superior
― contenderizer, Friday, 20 July 2012 21:51 (eleven years ago) link
I'm with contenderizer; using vinyl records to make useful household objects like ashtrays, or placemats, is definitely a better option than attempting to listen to music on them. Vinyl sucks. Hated it in the 80s, hate it now.
― 誤訳侮辱, Friday, 20 July 2012 21:56 (eleven years ago) link
ha AG no I know I'm just being a dick as usual. vinyl expert-ism is a whole field of confirmation bias & subjective response, all of which is valid really - if I have a pressing that looks so awesome to me that I'm all amped for my listening experience then probably I'm in a really receptive headspace when I sit down to listen, whereas if I've been digesting received wisdom about which colors of vinyl are best I'm probably going to be focusing hard on the flaws. The quality of the mastering job is of infinitely more importance than the color of the vinyl, as is the plant where it got pressed, but only the hardest of the hardcore even talk about this stuff - and yet, many have opinions about whether the color of the dye added to the batch changes the sound on the vinyl, which was imprinted onto it by a plate.
mastering & cutting are probably the most important steps in the process imo and if you care about the sound of your vinyl that's what you oughta study, but unfortunately that means if yr favorite band goes to the most affordable pressing plant, no other choice they make about the pressing will improve the sound. if you're really hardcore audiophile you'd get records because you like the guys who worked on them, but who listens to music like that?
― tallarico dreams (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 20 July 2012 21:56 (eleven years ago) link
No offense to anyone who pays the rent by fobbing off this totally inferior format on suckers, of course. Friends forever, Scott!
― 誤訳侮辱, Friday, 20 July 2012 21:58 (eleven years ago) link
if you're really hardcore audiophile you'd get records because you like the guys who worked on them, but who listens to music like that?
Plenty of people. Usually they only listen to music made in the 60s or 70s as "music was better then" or "records sounded better then"
― Algerian Goalkeeper, Friday, 20 July 2012 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
all of you guys should have a t.v. show together and you should call that show THE EXPERT SHOW.
― scott seward, Friday, 20 July 2012 22:10 (eleven years ago) link
i would be the cute one
― contenderizer, Friday, 20 July 2012 22:25 (eleven years ago) link
I'll be the nude one
― tallarico dreams (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 20 July 2012 22:39 (eleven years ago) link
what I've heard that sounds most convincing about "records sounded better then" is that the plants were running day & night and you had a surplus of dudes who knew what they were doing, because they were lifers. this makes simple intuitive sense: you could also probably buy a better manual typewriter during the era when there was a lot of competition in the field & people bought manual typewriters
― tallarico dreams (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Friday, 20 July 2012 22:41 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, my big lesson in this has been the sound quality of 70s and 80s pressings by major label artists. the records are sometimes so thin they might as well be flexi-discs (RCA's "dynaflex" and suchlike), but they usually sound great, especially in comparison to the shoddy "deluxe" crap you so often get today. the vinyl can't have been super premium or anything, it was just industry standard goo, but the product is the result of skilled craftsmen putting in a lifetime of 40-hour weeks on top-of-the-line machinery. super pro mastering, cutting and pressing - makes all the difference.
― contenderizer, Friday, 20 July 2012 22:56 (eleven years ago) link
"...putting in a lifetimes of 40-hour weeks..."
― contenderizer, Friday, 20 July 2012 22:57 (eleven years ago) link
not that there aren't people out there today doing excellent work
i loved this out of the gate, and it's growing on me. i now like "eula", cheesy as it is, and most of green. probably gonna be in the running for my album of the year.
― contenderizer, Saturday, 21 July 2012 03:15 (eleven years ago) link
this is one of those i albums i keep putting on because it doesn't actively annoy me and then i slowly grow to love it.
― ryan, Thursday, 26 July 2012 21:28 (eleven years ago) link
is this album good
if you liked the last two
― skrill xx (cozen), Thursday, 26 July 2012 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
It's different than the last two, that much is for sure.
― pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Thursday, 26 July 2012 21:49 (eleven years ago) link
I like Red but not Blue and love this
― camp lo magellan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 26 July 2012 21:51 (eleven years ago) link
ok i have been listening through this and i def like green better than yellow
― O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Friday, 27 July 2012 04:49 (eleven years ago) link
Green is def more interesting based on the playthroughs I did
although not quite interesting enough to make me want to buy it
― keeping things contextual (DJP), Friday, 27 July 2012 13:21 (eleven years ago) link
CAN'T FORGET THE TASTE OF MY OWN TONGUE
― markers, Friday, 27 July 2012 13:22 (eleven years ago) link
Tastes like chicken iirc
― ledge, Friday, 27 July 2012 13:23 (eleven years ago) link
na but I do <3 eula.
― ledge, Friday, 27 July 2012 13:24 (eleven years ago) link
green is more varied than yellow, but the songwriting isn't anywhere near as strong, overall, imo. and i like the more elaborate production and arrangements on yellow.
― contenderizer, Friday, 27 July 2012 20:33 (eleven years ago) link
you know what's kind of a better overblown arty proggy mainstream hard rock record than this? the new smashing pumpkins
― Elrond Hubbard (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 17:35 (eleven years ago) link
ugh no. the Pumpkins record *sounds* better than they have in a while but the songs just aren't there.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 1 August 2012 17:58 (eleven years ago) link
Saw someone with a Baroness tshirt on today.Well, bye.
― Quickly, take hold of my hand, asshole! (dog latin), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 18:04 (eleven years ago) link