Baroness - Yellow And Green (2012)

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"Go ahead....say Orange 9MM"

listening to "Isak" now and it basically scans to me as "monotone grunge dude sings over Tool-influenced music"

― PITILESS LIVE SHOW (DJP), Thursday, July 19, 2012 3:27 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fuck u dan perry go listen to some goth bullshit

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it's miller time!

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fucking gorgeous packaging...haha i don't even love it now i'm thinking about the vinyl lol i have a problem

yeah I kinda want it just for the vinyl. :/

mine came yesterday!

it seems pretty dumb that the actuall YELLOW AND GREEN version is like only 500 copies and on shitty see-thru vinyl

yeah i was too late for it mine is the orange one ltd to 1500

it seems pretty dumb that the actuall YELLOW AND GREEN version is like only 500 copies and on shitty see-thru vinyl

― camp lo magellan (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, July 19, 2012 7:12 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i already said it itt but......relapse! fuck those guys.

Orange is opaque vinyl and is gonna sound better #yolo

is that the swirly peach job, or the yellow-looking one. i like the peach. would buy, if i had 40 bucks to spend on music i'm already listening to.

anyway, i've listened to this a couple few more times. warming up to green, though it's spotty at best. figure if you swapped a couple of the better tracks in for "sea lungs" and "eula", you'd have a damn near perfect, if rather short, single album in yellow.

not sure that this music lives or dies by its hooks. i say that cuz a lot of these songs seem to get by on arrangement, texture and a burly sort of yearning - without being all that immediately memorable. personally, i think yellow's greatest strength is its sense of musical geography. in that, it suggests a 70s ideal: the album as a journey through fantastic lands. pink floyd, yes, king crimson, that sort of thing.

i do wonder, now that i've had a little time to process it, why there's so little trace of, you know, real heavy metal on this thing. i don't mind the soft, clean, processed sounds, but the "rocking out" moments are too muffled and polite to generate much heat. the fuzztone guitar at the end of "cocanium", for instance, feels like it's trying to bust out and kick some ass, but the production and arrangement keep everything too carefully reined in. the overall smoothness might even be more striking if it were subject to the occasional violent interruption.

but the "rocking out" moments are too muffled and polite to generate much heat.

this is completely otm

yeah, like hammers of misfortune go for (and often nail) the same kind of epic, slightly cheezy unicorn uplift, but they balance it out with some real chopping.

it's v. frustrating because the band responsible for this succinct blast of hooky, heavy, melodic rock with just a splash of prog sounds completely lost in the weeds now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH9KMlf7p78

well, i do like Y&G a good deal more than you, so i'll quibble with "lost in the woods", but rays on pinion is badass, yeah. not to mention:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22xFxEwcZ2Q

do wonder who ray is and what's the deal with his opinion

i mean i shouldn't bitch about how the record sounds, there will hardly be any good sounding "pro" rock albums ever from now on so i better get used to it. and this isn't particularly obnoxious or anything. it's just good bass & drum sound are lost to history mostly. :(

I think the album sounds great, but it's true that it does not try to sound like 1972. But there's a whole shitload of bands dedicated to reproducing that sound, and many are amazing, recent ones being Captain Crimson, Orcus Chylde and Kadavar. Looking forward to the new Witchcraft too.

yeah, i was thinking of witchcraft in response to m@tt's complaints about the sound, though i'm not sure why. i like the committed psych/prog 70s-ness of Y&G just as i enjoyed those elements on blue record, but i'm glad that baroness aren't a wayback machine. i respect their attempt to integrate those sounds and styles with something more modern, even if they do sometimes get stuck in the late 90s.

it seems pretty dumb that the actuall YELLOW AND GREEN version is like only 500 copies and on shitty see-thru vinyl

if you actually think clear vinyl is lower quality than opaque vinyl that is a sad comment on how much you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to vinyl

yeah, the clear kind has less optical drag

lol A+. also less heavy diffraction

buncha experts up in here

don't take it from me, talk to people who actually cut records like I've been doing for nearly 20 years

did you just say "don't take it from me, take it from me"

that is approaching "sink their boats then give them new boats" levels of awesome

experts will tell you black vinyl is best

vinyl starts out clear. then they add carbon black to it. if you think the adding of carbon black makes the vinyl sound better then you should also look into drawing around just the edge of your cds with a green marker. you have to use a special green marker though I'm the only guy I know who has them. they start to lose potency after 5-10 cds. they are 20 dollars apiece how many would you like?

did you just say "don't take it from me, take it from me"

no no - I don't "cut" records I just make music. "Cutting records" means actually producing the master. John Golden, Andy VenDette, guys like that. Please tell them about how clear colored vinyl doesn't "sound as good" as opaque colored vinyl. Then get a tattoo of the look they give you because that look will be priceless.

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^ way to go

vinyl starts out clear. then they add carbon black to it. if you think the adding of carbon black makes the vinyl sound better then you should also look into drawing around just the edge of your cds with a green marker. you have to use a special green marker though I'm the only guy I know who has them. they start to lose potency after 5-10 cds. they are 20 dollars apiece how many would you like?

i was only stating what vinyl 'experts' say.

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objectively superior

I'm with contenderizer; using vinyl records to make useful household objects like ashtrays, or placemats, is definitely a better option than attempting to listen to music on them. Vinyl sucks. Hated it in the 80s, hate it now.

ha AG no I know I'm just being a dick as usual. vinyl expert-ism is a whole field of confirmation bias & subjective response, all of which is valid really - if I have a pressing that looks so awesome to me that I'm all amped for my listening experience then probably I'm in a really receptive headspace when I sit down to listen, whereas if I've been digesting received wisdom about which colors of vinyl are best I'm probably going to be focusing hard on the flaws. The quality of the mastering job is of infinitely more importance than the color of the vinyl, as is the plant where it got pressed, but only the hardest of the hardcore even talk about this stuff - and yet, many have opinions about whether the color of the dye added to the batch changes the sound on the vinyl, which was imprinted onto it by a plate.

mastering & cutting are probably the most important steps in the process imo and if you care about the sound of your vinyl that's what you oughta study, but unfortunately that means if yr favorite band goes to the most affordable pressing plant, no other choice they make about the pressing will improve the sound. if you're really hardcore audiophile you'd get records because you like the guys who worked on them, but who listens to music like that?

No offense to anyone who pays the rent by fobbing off this totally inferior format on suckers, of course. Friends forever, Scott!

if you're really hardcore audiophile you'd get records because you like the guys who worked on them, but who listens to music like that?

Plenty of people. Usually they only listen to music made in the 60s or 70s as "music was better then" or "records sounded better then"

all of you guys should have a t.v. show together and you should call that show THE EXPERT SHOW.

i would be the cute one

I'll be the nude one

Plenty of people. Usually they only listen to music made in the 60s or 70s as "music was better then" or "records sounded better then"

what I've heard that sounds most convincing about "records sounded better then" is that the plants were running day & night and you had a surplus of dudes who knew what they were doing, because they were lifers. this makes simple intuitive sense: you could also probably buy a better manual typewriter during the era when there was a lot of competition in the field & people bought manual typewriters

yeah, my big lesson in this has been the sound quality of 70s and 80s pressings by major label artists. the records are sometimes so thin they might as well be flexi-discs (RCA's "dynaflex" and suchlike), but they usually sound great, especially in comparison to the shoddy "deluxe" crap you so often get today. the vinyl can't have been super premium or anything, it was just industry standard goo, but the product is the result of skilled craftsmen putting in a lifetime of 40-hour weeks on top-of-the-line machinery. super pro mastering, cutting and pressing - makes all the difference.

"...putting in a lifetimes of 40-hour weeks..."

not that there aren't people out there today doing excellent work

i loved this out of the gate, and it's growing on me. i now like "eula", cheesy as it is, and most of green. probably gonna be in the running for my album of the year.

this is one of those i albums i keep putting on because it doesn't actively annoy me and then i slowly grow to love it.

is this album good

if you liked the last two

It's different than the last two, that much is for sure.

I like Red but not Blue and love this

ok i have been listening through this and i def like green better than yellow

Green is def more interesting based on the playthroughs I did

although not quite interesting enough to make me want to buy it