anyone else hear them? anyone lucky enough to see them?
this reminds me of, slightly, when the first Interpol EP came out and everyone thought they were going to be so important. Hopefully Savages won't deflate as soon as they actually release something, but something tells me they are better.
― akm, Friday, 1 June 2012 14:38 (11 months ago) Permalink
disgusting band
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 1 June 2012 14:44 (11 months ago) Permalink
got an email a few weeks back along the lines of "!!! SAVAGES CONFIRMED FOR FIELD DAY !!!"
mmmhmmm
― tpp, Friday, 1 June 2012 14:46 (11 months ago) Permalink
actually this rules, feel you on the early interpol thing
― wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 1 June 2012 14:47 (11 months ago) Permalink
I'm always a little wary of bands who seem so perfect, They read Celine! They sound like the Birthday Party crossed with Gang of Four times the Pop Group! The bits I've heard online are fine but nothing that particularly grabbed me. They certainly sound like an English Post-Punk band.
― chr1sb3singer, Friday, 1 June 2012 14:49 (11 months ago) Permalink
...which in my book is a good thing. I think their influences are still on their sleeves but I'm hoping for further growth.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 1 June 2012 19:23 (11 months ago) Permalink
been looking forward to hearing what they've been up to, they used to practice at ours and it always sounded cool
― Crackle Box, Saturday, 2 June 2012 12:00 (11 months ago) Permalink
kinda expecting them all to fall out and split up by the end of the year tho, ha, there will be a lineup change or too i'm sure
― Crackle Box, Saturday, 2 June 2012 12:03 (11 months ago) Permalink
eugh, *two hangover
There are seven or eight like bands per block but none with as cute a lead singer, that's it, right?
― poxen, Saturday, 2 June 2012 12:10 (11 months ago) Permalink
i really liked this lot on later..
― mark e, Thursday, 4 October 2012 10:03 (7 months ago) Permalink
Yeah, I watched that and enjoyed it/them a lot. Hilarious to read the "call that music"-type tweets from misogynist rockist grandads afterwards.
I see they've got an album out next week on vinyl only.
― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 4 October 2012 11:12 (7 months ago) Permalink
Confused now - Amazon says it's double vinyl, HMV that it's a 12" single with a bonus CD!
― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 4 October 2012 11:14 (7 months ago) Permalink
I think it's just single vinyl http://popnoire.bigcartel.com/product/savages-12-live-ep-i-am-here
― Map Ref 52°N 6°W (useless chamber), Thursday, 4 October 2012 11:35 (7 months ago) Permalink
"Husbands" guitar sound is quite the Dead Kennedys homage. But, again, I like the stew they're drawing from, just got the live EP now.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 5 October 2012 00:34 (7 months ago) Permalink
i like the urgent vocals on husbands.
they have this sort of "aura" around them and maybe it's a contrived aesthetic but they seem like one of the more interesting new bands in a while to me
― monotony, Friday, 5 October 2012 01:29 (7 months ago) Permalink
There's an album now? I've been loving "Husbands" for months.
― this is the dream of avril and chad (jer.fairall), Friday, 5 October 2012 03:43 (7 months ago) Permalink
John and Jehn is pretty cool too if you like that kind of thing "and we run" should have been a bigger hit imo
― Crackle Box, Friday, 5 October 2012 12:56 (7 months ago) Permalink
bump
― monotony, Friday, 19 April 2013 03:08 (1 month ago) Permalink
http://silenceyourself.savagesband.com/
Their forthcoming LP, "Silence Yourself", is now streaming on their website.
― Maria Tesla Pizzeria, Monday, 29 April 2013 14:45 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
Saw them live a couple weeks ago. Furious amount of sound they generate - breathtakingly so. The Dead Kennedy's reference upthread is particularly spot on as my first thought was "Siouxsie & the opening to 'Holiday In Cambodia.'" It's a great sound, but after a hour all the songs just felt similar. Suspect they could make a truly great album if they worked on the material more.
― Elvis Telecom, Monday, 29 April 2013 15:02 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
I saw them too in SF, one of the best live bands I've seen in a long time.
― akm, Monday, 29 April 2013 15:29 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
Sunday April 28 New York Times Jon Pareles writeup and podcast mention
― curmudgeon, Monday, 29 April 2013 17:34 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
Very serious facsimile this lot.
― Hinklepicker, Monday, 29 April 2013 21:05 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
Curious to see them live, but eh, just think they lean a bit too hard on post-punk during a time when that period feels like it's been wrung dry as a source of inspiration.
― Position Position, Monday, 29 April 2013 21:18 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
Reading the fancy Pitchfork thing now and their rise seems so inevitable and choreographed. Perhaps they are completely natural and authentic but it feels like we are being manipulated by another kind of hype machine. The rote nature of the music is the main reason I am unconvinced by this band but this kind of cool and slick marketing is another.
― Hinklepicker, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 08:51 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
I don't know about slick marketing, or even what the "hype machine" means these days. When I first came across them it was through genuine buzz around their live shows. Of course if you don't like the music then you'll read excitement as hype.
― Deafening silence (DL), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 08:57 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
Yeah, if you have gripes with "cool and slick marketing" take it to the daft punk thread
― monotony, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 09:07 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
I take DL's point - if I liked the music then the hype probably would not bother me. I am not enraged by the ineptitude of the music by the way just kind of underwhelmed by something which is clearly so special and exciting to so many. Maybe I am just jaded and old.
― Hinklepicker, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 09:13 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
just think they lean a bit too hard on post-punk during a time when that period feels like it's been wrung dry as a source of inspiration.
idk unless there's a big tranche of stuff I'm missing I think this is a pretty good time for a band like them to stand out. the only currently-happening stuff that came to mind as soundalikes for me is all these American anarcho/goth/postpunk bands that are springing up now, but I doubt most ppl who grab the Savages album are gonna hear any of them. bits of it also reminded me of Throwing Muses somewhat. liked it way more than I was expecting overall
― congo nattefrost (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 09:36 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
Was that Pitchfork piece actually linked yet? Looks like not, so:
http://pitchfork.com/features/cover-story/reader/savages/
Keep in mind I had to switch computers to actually get the darn thing to load fully. Good use of the technology.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 15:25 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
I am into their unsmiling meannesss. I like this record.
― Maria Tesla Pizzeria, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 15:48 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
that Later.. performance was really something IMO
― piscesx, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 16:35 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
When I first came across them it was through genuine buzz around their live shows.
Same here. I first heard about them over a year ago when one of the UK music blogs I check in with mentioned their live show and to keep watch.
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 08:07 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
When did Pitchfork start formatting features like that? That's pretty cool.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 13:16 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
holy fuck @ everything about this group
this is really shaping up to be a phenomenal year for music
― Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 13:42 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
I love this year
xp Matt, I think the first P4k feature like that was Bat for Lashes, but it didn't play with video like this does. I got so unsettled by the band staring at me that I couldn't concentrate on the text and had to read the lo-tech version instead.
― Deafening silence (DL), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 13:43 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
Is everyone else able to read that feature OK? I couldn't read half of it in Chrome, tried it on Linux & Windows.
― Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 13:46 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
I read it fine in Chrome on a 2 month old computer
― Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 13:54 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
wow @ the p-fork article ... thats impressive ...
― mark e, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 14:22 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
whoever mentioned east bay ray in relation to the guitar O T M. i half agree about this being almost comically boxed in by the period perfect postpunk costuming, but that later performance is astonishing. fuck yeah. reminds me a bit of his electro blue voice (italian band), but less heavy, noisy + psychedelic.
― controversial vegan pregnancy (contenderizer), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 14:23 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
Great ambient music, in the sense of "It's definitely Siouxsie/East Bay Ray with further noises and therefore easy to have playing without worrying too much." (I assure you, a compliment.)
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 14:30 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
streaming the album now; 1:40 into "Shut Up" and I have another new favorite band
― Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 14:33 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
most things are worrisome
― controversial vegan pregnancy (contenderizer), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 14:34 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
And happily this is not!
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 14:35 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
I guess no surprise that SFJ is writing about them in the New Yorker (piece behind paywall)
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 14:58 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
I streamed about half the album yesterday and liked it enough that I don't want to risk having my enjoyment ruined by reading whatever SFJ has to say. I will just buy it next week and listen to it for pleasure, like a normal person.
― 誤訳侮辱, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 15:22 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
streaming the album now, damn good
here are a couple hebv tracks, in case anyone's curious. both from a few years back:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnXdpbLQBUg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzmUzelvmFk
― controversial vegan pregnancy (contenderizer), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 16:09 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
I think I first heard them back in 1980.
― _Rudipherous_, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 16:10 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
with music this good i really don't care how it's packaged. great to finally be excited about a relatively new band.
― Chuck E was a hero to most (s.clover), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 20:25 (3 weeks ago) Permalink
well if we're going there, more bands should ape Euromasters
― far too much asshole flesh (DJP), Thursday, 9 May 2013 20:25 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
when i think of the vast futuristic universes created by disco, funk, jazz, and prog/psych in the 70's and punk - the most conservative and retro movement outside of dixieland - gets labeled "revolutionary" i just laugh in that way i have of laughing. i mean i like punk cuz i like rock but it was about as revolutionary as my granny's chamber pot.
i see where this is coming from, but punk isn't just the conservative/conformist loudfastrules thing. it's also an ethos and sensibility that extends out into a hugely diverse body of art: crass, the cbgb's crew, no wave, flipper & the germs, gary panter, wire circa document & eyewitness, survival research laboratories, transgressive underground cinema, english postpunk, american indie and hardcore, noise as music, extremists like swans, "industrial culture", "pigfuck", etc.
tangential to this thread, but i get bugged by the "punk = ramones & pistols, lol punk is conservative" argument.
― controversial vegan pregnancy (contenderizer), Thursday, 9 May 2013 20:30 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
Gabber Gabber Hey.
xpost
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 May 2013 20:31 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
xp yeah obv scott/simon reynolds are overestimating the vast futurism of disco funk jazz prog/psych and underestimating the radicalism of punk, i mean obviously scott owns some pretty cosmic disco records but that doesn't map onto your average 1977 listener's experience so nicely. the idea that punk was revolutionary was a product of cliches existing at the time, but that doesn't mean we can an equally misrepresentative cliche in the other direction made today is any better
― flopson, Thursday, 9 May 2013 20:37 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
contenderizer otm
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 9 May 2013 20:38 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
I've never actually read any of simon's books. don't tell him. I like him though.
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 May 2013 20:57 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
simon introduced me to joy press and the first thing she said was that she was a big fan of mine! omg I almost died! I love her. made me wish that I wrote more. #braggin
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:07 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
Anyone been watching the stream?
― Evan, Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:34 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
Crowd looks upset they can't check their texts
― Evan, Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:35 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
i love this sense i get (perhaps entirely manufactured) that they're working with sounds and symbols and emotions that are way more powerful than they know exactly what to do with. like the whole "wrote you a story" bit with hit me was ridiculous and out there, but then they pulled it into a strong performance.
on the other hand they seemed totally pro at the end of the set -- not exhausted and etc. at all but just like they could deliver a performance that seemed like it took all their energy, but it was just that, a performance.
which isn't a bad thing either.
― stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:56 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
Yeah I'm a bit turned off by the melodrama/over-seriousness about them but am very much liking the songs and they perform well it seems.
― Evan, Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:03 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
okay, I THINK I've found the ultimate influence on Savages.
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:04 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
this album is.....ok? they seem like they would be good live, but i'm not overly enamored w/the songs or the sound of the record.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 10 May 2013 00:28 (1 week ago) Permalink
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, May 1, 2013 10:30 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
OTM, but I perceive a subtle cut in the ambiguity of "ambient" (or at least a slightly less sanguine compliment). Savages' product is calculated and tight, attractively ernest but v. controlled, and the energy/intensity/excitement they exude is at the core cold and mercenary. their blunt rapaciousness in the context of indie rock seems fresh after two decades of ironic/furtive/incidental/fortuitous/idealized ambition, and they remind me most of early U2, not so much in sound as in presentation and affect. if they can thread the needle and define themselves outside of the postpunk revivalist ghetto (while still sporting its mystique), they might be huge. (their music atm is bloodless and tasteful pastiche, but they're probably already negotiating w/ heavyweight producers w/bags of big tunes, so w/e).
― Hellhouse, Friday, 10 May 2013 01:30 (1 week ago) Permalink
well that's why if you watch the videos of the singer's previous group - there are a lot of them including a rather precious acoustic indie rock thin lizzy cover - you see that this is someone working lots of angles/styles in the search of...a hit? a career? something that will stick? and then on to savages which is art directed up the wazoo. which is fine by me. ambition doesn't turn me off. I will be celebrating the 30th anniversary of Madonna's debut this summer with cake and balloons.
― scott seward, Friday, 10 May 2013 01:42 (1 week ago) Permalink
and they are definitely a band that sound-wise could go anywhere.
― scott seward, Friday, 10 May 2013 01:43 (1 week ago) Permalink
I have no idea how successful he previous group was. maybe they were huge in france. maybe she has already had some chart success? haven't read anything about that.
― scott seward, Friday, 10 May 2013 01:44 (1 week ago) Permalink
It is very art directed. Makes me wonder how they create records like this if any one member isn't exactly on the same page... even when it comes down to things like when the drums come back on here, and what instrument is playing by itself there, etc.
Seems like it would real work
― Evan, Friday, 10 May 2013 02:17 (1 week ago) Permalink
would be
― Evan, Friday, 10 May 2013 02:18 (1 week ago) Permalink
careful arrangement should be real work
― ptsd.psd (electricsound), Friday, 10 May 2013 02:35 (1 week ago) Permalink
the strokes: UK edition
― unprepared guitar (Edward III), Friday, 10 May 2013 03:05 (1 week ago) Permalink
if only these guys wrote songs like the strokes
― call all destroyer, Friday, 10 May 2013 03:06 (1 week ago) Permalink
Wow, with this much hype, soon they could be as big as Fischerspooner!
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Friday, 10 May 2013 06:54 (1 week ago) Permalink
You obviously don't need to be distinctive; if you did, half the dance music I see celebrated on this site would get ignored.
A lot of the best dance music is pretty distinctive, but in general it's meant to be faceless, meant to slot seamlessly into a wider whole. Rock music by contrast is all about personality, if a rock star doesn't hold your attention, isn't the most riveting thing you can see or hear at any point, then they're doing something wrong. I know a lot of US and UK indie-pop undercuts this to an extent but with a band as in-your-face as Savages I still feel there's something missing.
― Matt DC, Friday, 10 May 2013 09:03 (1 week ago) Permalink
Like I said they do feel like there's something there as well that could develop into something fantastic by their second or third album but they seem kind of half formed at the moment.
― Matt DC, Friday, 10 May 2013 09:04 (1 week ago) Permalink
If your producer is called "Johnny Hostile" then don't be surprised if people take you less than seriously. People in rock who call themselves Johnny anything should be conscripted.
― Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Friday, 10 May 2013 12:59 (1 week ago) Permalink
didn't realise she'd done a thing with bo ningen. cool!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAXYdAR2f3Q
― Crackle Box, Friday, 10 May 2013 13:15 (1 week ago) Permalink
The PR / Marketing for these folks is raging full on..I see an ad for them on every other site.
― I'll take the jangle-jangle over the throb-throb (brg30), Saturday, 11 May 2013 02:14 (1 week ago) Permalink
I've listened to the album a few times now and.......it's good. Not amazing. I'm not too fond of "Strife," "No Face" or "Hit Me," but the rest is fine (ignoring "Dead Nature" here). I wish it was mixed better - it's a bit too dense for my liking - it needs some more space. There isn't much Joy Division-sounding on the album, but I thought of Crispy Ambulance a couple of times. Jehnny Beth doesn't sound much like Siouxsie besides the "uh uh" things on "Husbands" (I prefer the single version of that, to be honest). The lyrics aren't as good as Jehnny probably thinks they are, but I can ignore that. The bassist is REALLY good though.
I had no idea this band was hyped at all until Matador announced the LP... Some friends were talking about them last year so I gave them a listen and dug it enough to buy the 7" and the live EP. I liked that stuff enough to pre-order the album at my local record store and bought it on the day of release. This is the first time in years that I've bought an album without listening to it thoroughly beforehand, so I am disappointed that I don't like it as much as I hoped.
I don't spend much time worrying about people's motives or looking for clues about who they're ripping off, but I don't think emulating obscure (by general public standards) bands from decades ago is a guaranteed path to superstardom. Maybe I'm naive to think it isn't totally calculated, but they could be copying top 40 pop stuff with guest rap stars and probably reach a much wider audience than they will with this type of music.
― Kent Burt, Saturday, 11 May 2013 02:36 (1 week ago) Permalink
Enjoyed Shut Up today - thought about Echo and the Bunnymen for some reason while listening - not that this detracted from the tune.
― Hinklepicker, Saturday, 11 May 2013 02:49 (1 week ago) Permalink
Good spot on Crispy Ambulance. There's a bit of Warsaw, Kitchens Of Distinction, Southern Death Cult, Diamanda Galas... I think the Banshees thing is pretty uncontroversial though. They're more like a Limey Interpol rather than Strokes surely?
It's pretty depressing the amount of misogynist comments I've had to delete off our site about them. Of a really lame... "I'm not sexist but... [insert sexist comment here]" type.
― Doran, Saturday, 11 May 2013 10:04 (1 week ago) Permalink
Yeah, that is pretty depressing actually. It's 2013, for fucks sake...
― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Saturday, 11 May 2013 10:11 (1 week ago) Permalink
Southern Death Cult is a good spot I think.
― dschinghis kraan (NickB), Saturday, 11 May 2013 10:34 (1 week ago) Permalink
Been listening to this a bit more now that the weather has turned to shit here and I'm definitely coming round to it, think I was pretty much wrong when I said they didn't have the songs. Still hard to shake the echoes of other bands but it actually feels fairly fresh in a way cos there are interesting combinations of influences once you get beyond the 'oh it's just post punk' blanket statement and they play it with enough skill and dead-on conviction that it does stand up on its own merits. Kind of like the Iceage records maybe?
Gets gothier in the later half of the record, but some of the tracks on the first side (especially 'I Am Here') are a bit like early YYY's meet Scratch Acid (a testament to the excellent bass player that). Singer sounds very Karen O-ish in places, but the more intense and yelpy she gets, the more undeniable the Siouxsieness is. Also there's things like on Hit Me where she sings 'tell me, tell me, tell me' and it feels like a direct reference to the Banshees via 'Helter Skelter'. 'She Will' is the one that sounds like early Cult, that's such a Billy Duffy guitar line on there. Husbands is like a cross between the Banshees and 'Horses' and '12XU' (impossible for me not to sing 'saw you in a mag, kissing a man' to the first line).
― dschinghis kraan (NickB), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:47 (1 week ago) Permalink
Actually, Husbands feels even gothier still when you pretend she's singing 'Huysmans, Huysmans, Huysmans'
― dschinghis kraan (NickB), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:49 (1 week ago) Permalink
Definitely get a YYYs vibe from Hit Me.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 14 May 2013 20:57 (1 week ago) Permalink
boring
― i also enjoy in line skateing (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 14 May 2013 21:33 (1 week ago) Permalink
KEXP session pretty good, but probably won't sway the nay sayers
http://www.npr.org/event/music/184349634/savages-elegant-brutality-rendered-anything-but-silent
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 17 May 2013 02:27 (6 days ago) Permalink
this is my favorite album of the year so far
― AMERICA IS ABOUT RESSLING (DJP), Friday, 17 May 2013 02:28 (6 days ago) Permalink
it's been done
― Poliopolice, Friday, 17 May 2013 03:46 (6 days ago) Permalink
so's yr mom
― balls, Friday, 17 May 2013 03:51 (6 days ago) Permalink
even that was better the first time
― truth bomb lawyer mean mean pride (Edward III), Friday, 17 May 2013 11:46 (6 days ago) Permalink
You know if I was taping this for a friend, I might be tempted to put Griller by Ut on side two
― dschinghis kraan (NickB), Friday, 17 May 2013 11:49 (6 days ago) Permalink
I keep reading the thread title as "Sausages."
― Beatrix Kiddo (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 17 May 2013 12:20 (6 days ago) Permalink
That would undermine the feminist themes on the album.
― Evan, Friday, 17 May 2013 14:55 (6 days ago) Permalink
when I first read this thread I googled the band and now I get fucking savages banners on every site I visit.
― wk, Friday, 17 May 2013 15:40 (6 days ago) Permalink
hasn't everyone's mom?
― Poliopolice, Friday, 17 May 2013 16:00 (6 days ago) Permalink
srsly the ad buys for this band are insane
before I'd even heard of them I was searching youtube for some obscure brooklyn band and half of the related videos was savages stuff
2013 stringent UK postpunk band SEO guess papers oink invites
xp
― truth bomb lawyer mean mean pride (Edward III), Friday, 17 May 2013 17:53 (6 days ago) Permalink
free savages gift cards
― wk, Friday, 17 May 2013 17:57 (6 days ago) Permalink
download "husbands" for yr hubby on father's day, he deserves it
― truth bomb lawyer mean mean pride (Edward III), Friday, 17 May 2013 18:04 (6 days ago) Permalink