'Disintegration' vs 'Violator': a POLL

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If this helps the Smiths' last three albums are certified gold in America, NO have three, and Depeche Mode and the Cure each boast several albums that have gone at least platinum.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 23:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

I vividly remember tons of folks in high school with "Disintegration" t-shirts after the show. Never saw a "Violator" shirt. But in college, I saw tons of "Songs of Faith and Devotion" shirts.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 00:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Violator makes the best shirt of these.

Word of Wisdom Robots (Abbbottt), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 00:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

I had 4 different tshirts from the Violator tour, I remember spending all of my disposable income on them. I wish I still had them, they were awesome.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 01:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah, "Love Song" was an honest smash, but DM were a party band by comparison

Euler, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 01:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

i didn't hear depeche mode (or the smiths) until somewhat later, but there was a guy in my high school who was into hot hot hot.

he was on my basketball team and was the fucking dirtiest player you can imagine -- he'd step on peoples' feet, yank your jersey, spit on you, whatever.

i'm curious what he thought of disintegration.

mookieproof, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 01:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

I was waiting for you to say he hooked up with the power forward.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 01:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

Roffle.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 01:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha i was the power forward

mookieproof, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 01:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

iykwim

mookieproof, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 01:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

what

crüt, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 02:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

disintegration is pretty good so i voted for it

sleepingbag, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 02:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

no one in 20 odd years attempted to recreate the sound of disintegration, i'm constantly amazed by that. lots of bands are taking cues from early cure these days but you won't get disintegration-type records any time soon. for such an era defining album that's pretty weird, the lack of inheritors i mean.

cock chirea, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 03:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

well, no one is as sad as robert smith

mookieproof, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 03:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

Absolutely, in my experience. Depeche Mode, New Order and the Cure were the holy trinity for my friends when I was 15, 16.

everybody in my circle would rep for New Order & the Cure, Depeche Mode was not even considered anywhere near that level & I'd still argue that. "Words like violence/break the silence" Jesus Christ dude even Barney is better than that & he's terrible

cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 03:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh shi

mookieproof, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 03:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

Here comes love, it's like violence/You can't buy it with silence

the fey monster (ledge), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 08:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

Well, at least Barney does not impart his nonsense with portent. You get the feeling he views lyrics as a formality. Martin Gore one imagines considers his lyrics poetry of the heart.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 14:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Or the music of the night.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 15:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

Absolutely, in my experience. Depeche Mode, New Order and the Cure were the holy trinity for my friends when I was 15, 16. We all had Disintegration, Violator and Technique - three big post-punk bands hitting their commercial (and arguably creative) peaks at around the same time. They felt inseparable to me.

― Get wolves (DL), Tuesday, May 15, 2012 6:30 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and

I knew that people lump(ed) these groups, and even the Smiths, together in North America

lol, yeah

For most of my life (from early teens through pretty recently) if you'd asked me who my all time fav bands were My answer would have been these four though which order I'd rank them in has changed throughout the years.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 15:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

My best friend's mom let her older sister paint the walls of her bedroom black and paint the lyrics to "Pictures of You" on it in swirly Cure script. I thought it was just about the coolest thing I'd ever seen.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 15:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

Echo & the Bunnymen was certainly a big part of that milieu, too, for a while at least. John Hughes knew what was up.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

Didn't think E&tB had anything close to the stature of these other bands this side of the Atlantic? According to Wikipedia, they peaked at #51 on the US album charts, #41 on Canada's. No silver or gold albums afaik.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah &B had a clutch of college radio singles played a bit in the US but nothing like the Cure, NO, or Depeche's sales.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

I just know what people in my class had on their Trapper Keepers.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

*E&B

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

I could ask Will Sergeant what he thought about it all, I'm meeting him this Saturday.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

I like E&B a lot but didn't get into them until later and never as much as the others. TBH the BIG THREE to me have always been The Cure, DM and The Smiths. I would put NO in there now but that wasn't always the case especially when I was a young teenager.

wolf kabob (ENBB), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

violator by a million miles. sorry dan

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 17:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

"disintegration" is where I dropped the CURE. I just don't like all that spacious sound. I love all the albums before it, and sort of became a singles fan after it.

I'm not voting because I can't stand Depeche Mode

nicky lo-fi, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

'disintegration' was the first cure record I anticipated in advance having heard 'kiss me x3' months after it was actually out and worked my way back from there. Also the first band I loved as a teenager. I had HUGE HUGE HUGE expectations for 'Disintegration'. It surpassed them.

pandemic, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

decided to listen to both for the first time back-to-back since i enjoy these bands mainly as singles acts and was kind of curious to answer the question for myself. i generally think of myself as preferring The Cure, but right now I gotta go with Violator, Disintegration is such a slog, even the songs i like on it kind of get the air sucked out of them in the context of the album.

some dude, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

otm, I've tried soooo many times to get beyond the singles on Disintegration (which I love) & I lose focus every time.

Euler, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 18:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

The second of Disintegration defines "mire" (except for "Untitled").

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 19:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

Again, that's silly, since that ignores "Prayers for Rain" and the title track, which are about as tough and exiting as the band in this guise gets.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 19:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

I mean, I would be lying if I said I ever listened to "Blue Dress" or "Clean" after "Policy of Truth" is done.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 19:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

(hah, exciting, I meant)

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 20:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

Maybe thrilling is a better word?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 20:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't either!

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

re listen to "Clean" or "Blue Dress."

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

Which sort of detracts from the album, no? And reduces it to more of an ... awesome EP? Minus those two tracks it drops down to 35 minutes. It's in some ways I think more forgivable for "Disintegration" to go on too long, seeing as it's designed to be sort of oppressive, monolithic, even hypnotically turgid, than it is for "Violator" to peter out after it blows its wad with the incredible "Policy of Truth." "Homesick" and "Untitled," on the other hand, are the perfect comes downs after the epic-ness of "Disintegration."

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

(BTW, I once interviewed Robert Smith, and I asked him if he made Simon Gallop play those repetitive basslines on songs like "Disintegration" as a form of torture. He laughed and claimed Gallop actually liked playing those parts.)

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

but Violator FEELS shorter

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

I never think, "Ugh -- second side coming"

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

Because you (like me) skip the last two songs! That's a full quarter of the running time.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

Whereas "Disintegration" is at least designed as a slog. As opposed to, say, the last two Red Hot Chili Peppers records, which are simply too long. (Just as an example)

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 21:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

But Violator boasts "Halo," "The Sweetest Perfection" and "Waiting For the Night" besides the singles while Disintegration only coughs up "Untitled" at the end.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

I dunno. I think we're all just dancing around the consensus that "The Same Deep Water As You" is what drags down the second side; the rest of the non-singles on "Disintegration" are pretty strong.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

same deep water is great
clean is great

Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

Nah. Don't care for the title track, "Homesick," "Prayers for Rain," "Closedown," "The Same Deep Water As You," or "Last Dance."

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 22:42 (2 years ago) Permalink


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