Screamadelica vs Kid A

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So I was totally trolling A Readiohead Message Board, who were trying to claim that RH were "innovative" because they mixed krautrock with electronic dance music, which was a party trick that Andrew Weatherall and Primal Scream were doing back in 1990. But that was one of those moments where I realised that - despite the fact that I was ostensibly trolling and trying to wind people up - it's a far more legitimate comparison than I intended, because though Primal Scream vs Radiohead is a joke, Screamadelica is a thing unto itself.

So what say you? Which indie-dinosaur dabbling with dance music and deciding they liked the waters there produced the better album. (And this is not a contest between the two bands, but between those two specific albums.)

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Kid A 61
Screamadelica 59


They have fangs, They have teeth! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Saturday, 12 May 2012 09:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

This comparison is like a novel that just reads better if you don't know how the story ends. I'm voting for Screamadelica because, quite frankly, they just sounded like they were ~having a better time~.

It's not really a fair comparison, asking, do you prefer hedonistic ecstasy or millennial paranoia. I suppose it's asking to decide between being 20 and being 30.

I'd rather be 30. But I'd rather listen to the party sounds of being 20.

They have fangs, They have teeth! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Saturday, 12 May 2012 09:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

At the time I liked Screamadelica more, but I haven't listened to it for a decade and nor would I want to. Whereas I'll still play Kid A a couple of times a year, maybe.

pandemic, Saturday, 12 May 2012 09:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

surely XTRMNTR or however you spell it would be a more fitting vs. for kid a?

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 12 May 2012 10:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

How do I spoil my ballot paper?

Chewshabadoo, Saturday, 12 May 2012 10:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

I respect these albums more than I enjoy them. Screamadelica was a bit before my time (although I was aware of Loaded even at age 10 when it came out). I'd been on board with Radiohead for a good while when Kid A came out, but felt like it was merely trying to mix existing IDM with Yorke's vocals and never really assimilating the two very well. I don't think they truly managed to achieve a proper hybrid until In Rainbows to be honest. Cheesecake's right - Screamadelica not only sounds like the band are having a better time (the mixture seems more passionate, more spirited, less toiled over and clinical - the fact the scream were on the right drugs at the time helps). Then again there are whole chunks on Screamadelica that plod by, the third quarter is a huge stretch for me and I generally get bored by that point whereas Kid A is more consistent in quality.

Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Saturday, 12 May 2012 10:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

kid a vs xtrmntr was our middle school version of stravinsky/schoenberg

i think i preferred xtrmntr and still do, tho i regard kid a v highly

nakhchivan, Saturday, 12 May 2012 10:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

Both of these are wildly inconsistent, overrated and intermittently great, Screamadelica really doesn't need such an extended comedown section and Kid A sags massively in the middle. But Screamadelica is more enjoyable.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Saturday, 12 May 2012 10:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

"Don't Fight It, Feel It" is better than anything on Kid A, but overall Kid A takes it.

DavidM, Saturday, 12 May 2012 12:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

Dog Latin, sometimes I read your posts and wonder what you're smoking. In Rainbows was the album where RH stopped mucking about with IDM electronics and went back to writing guitar based rawk songs again. How does that make for an effective synthesis?

They have fangs, They have teeth! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Saturday, 12 May 2012 13:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

Screamadelica > Kid A for me - though I rarely listen to either these days.

"I'd rather be 30. But I'd rather listen to the party sounds of being 20."
WCC OTM.
Although now that I'm 40, 30 sounds like 20.

XTRMNTR > both

Keith pissed on my chips (onimo), Saturday, 12 May 2012 13:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

I think "Kid A" is already aging better. At least, whenever I hear bits of it anywhere - before a show, say, over the PA - it still sounds intriguing to me. "Screamadelica," the idea of it has aged very well, but I never hear it or play it, really. It's part of a bigger scene picture, whereas at the time at least "Kid A" was sort of its own thing.

I will say that I know I saw PS on the "XTRMNTR" tour, with Kevin Shields hovering about, and the vague memory is still swimming in my subconscious almost like a scary nightmare.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 12 May 2012 13:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

Well, the main reason I was comparing Screamadelica to Kid A rather than XTRMNTR was because those were the albums that happened at the same point in the bands' relative careers, rather than at the same point in time. Both of them were the point where a band who were known and had achieved reasonable success for being a guitar-based rock band suddenly made an unexpected turn and made an EDM-influenced album. And then had even greater success with that than they had with the guitar-based rock.

Other parallels are quite funny - the fact that Bobbie G was so little involved in Screamadelica is what made it so much better than the two albums that bookended it. While the lesser involvement of Thom Yorke's voice in Kid A makes it (to my ears) worse than the albums that came after it.

I do agree that both albums are actually overrated in terms of how just how canonised they've become. Though I actually think that Screamadelica bears its overrating better, that it does actually almost stand up to its reputation. While Kid A's reputation has pretty much almost swamped it. But that might be because Primal Scream's star has risen and definitely fallen irretrievably, so Screamadelica looks so much better by comparison, while the canonisation of Radiohead is still an active process. That I'm surprised Screamadelica is as good as it is, while Kid A couldn't possibly ever live up to the hype that is still being wrapped around it.

I just have better memories to Screamadelica. It's one of those albums that I hear, and it makes me think of so many experiences of dropping a tab and dancing till dawn. I couldn't imagine dropping a tab to Kid A, that would just be the worst trip ever. It's just that Screamadelica is such a drugs, clubbing, parties, good times kind of album, it's a rock album that manages to capture the feeling of going out dancing (even the saggy dub symphony bit is the bit of the evening where you wander off and have urgent emotional bonding in the ladies' room) while I just would not want to go to the club that Kid A got its vibe off. Kid A is a sitting in your room listening to it on headphones album, which is good and necessary, and I like headphones albums, but it misses the point of dance music, and almost seems to have a kind of contempt for clubbing as an activity, even as it's adopting the sounds and signifiers of "dance" music.

They have fangs, They have teeth! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Saturday, 12 May 2012 14:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

(I have just realised that I think Screamadelica is great start to finish because I never, ever, ever listen to Damaged all the way through. I just skip it the moment it even starts to play.)

They have fangs, They have teeth! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Saturday, 12 May 2012 14:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm also going to commit absolute blasphemy now, but I saw both PRML SCRM and Radiohead several times around the XTRMNTR/Kid A period.

And Primal Scream, during the Kevin Shields/Mani era, when they hit a really good night, were actually the better live band. But that could have been because I was seeing them in smaller venues. It's easier to lift the roof off a secret gig at the Mean Fiddler than a gigantor tent in Victoria Park.

I mean, Kevin Shields vs Jonny Greenwood, no competition. Come on.

I probably feel the same way about Andrew Weatherall vs Nigel Godrich to be honest.

You will also note the one comparison I am resisting making.

They have fangs, They have teeth! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Saturday, 12 May 2012 14:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

Okay just listened to 'Screamadelica' for the first time in a decade. 'Don't Fight It, Feel It' is v good. The rest? Nah, not for me.

pandemic, Saturday, 12 May 2012 14:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

Damn!

tuff q.

will get back to you(se)

Mark G, Saturday, 12 May 2012 20:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

Screamadelica in a heartbeat. To me it stands for that whole era where the most of-the-moment electronic music was vivid, extrovert, communal, on intimate terms with pop. It makes me think of St Etienne, Happy Mondays, MBV (all of whom were remixed by Weatherall). Kid A is austere, isolated, strained, aloof, and makes me think of nothing but itself. Raves >>>>>> bedrooms. Also, their career arcs matter - only XTRMNTR rivals or exceeds Screamadelica, whereas Kid A is at best my fifth favourite Radiohead album.

And this is OTM:

Other parallels are quite funny - the fact that Bobbie G was so little involved in Screamadelica is what made it so much better than the two albums that bookended it. While the lesser involvement of Thom Yorke's voice in Kid A makes it (to my ears) worse than the albums that came after it.

Get wolves (DL), Saturday, 12 May 2012 20:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

kid a easy.

WCC otm about the obvious difference in vibe between the two ("a rock album that manages to capture the feeling of going out dancing" vs. "a sitting in your room listening to it on headphones album"). screamadelica's infectious energy and enthusiasm don't necessarily trump kid a's creepy, hermetic disassociation, though. these are just two different approaches, both valid, and i find the latter much more successful and interesting, overall. even in its moment, primal scream's rave rock euphoria came across as a bit cloying to me. and i just hate xtrmntr.

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 12 May 2012 20:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

DL powerfully OTM.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 12 May 2012 21:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

So consensus is Kid A has aged better but Screamadelica is more fun?

Moka, Saturday, 12 May 2012 22:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

My problem with Screamadelica is the gospel choirs it has going on in some songs like Movin on Up and Come Together. I'm very picky with the use of choirs. Anything rock that sounds like going to church puts me off.

Moka, Saturday, 12 May 2012 22:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

personally: XTRMNTR >>>> kid a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screamadelica

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 12 May 2012 22:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

Then again, it is called Screamadelica.

Moka, Saturday, 12 May 2012 22:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

Screamadelica easy. Never have warmed to Kid A.

But Screamadelica came out when I was 19. It was the right thing at the right time. And it still conjures memories of those heady days, which is all the reliving of them I care to ever do.

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 12 May 2012 22:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

Kid A is a sitting in your room listening to it on headphones album, which is good and necessary, and I like headphones albums, but it misses the point of dance music, and almost seems to have a kind of contempt for clubbing as an activity, even as it's adopting the sounds and signifiers of "dance" music.

― They have fangs, They have teeth! (White Chocolate Cheesecake)

something off about this. agree that kid a is a loner/introvert headphones album, but i don't think it "misses the point of dance music". it simply has different aims. and i really don't understand the sense in which it might be said to have "contempt for clubbing as an activity".

10. “Pour Some Sugar On Me” – Tom Cruise (contenderizer), Saturday, 12 May 2012 22:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

my world of ravers

ogmor, Sunday, 13 May 2012 00:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

Not that I'm particularly in the mood to stan for Kid A but the "oh it's just this lazy swiping of ideas from IDM" line that people trot out constantly really shits me to tears. It always feels like the person saying it imagines themselves as standing in a pulpit addressing a congregation unaware that Autechre or Aphex Twin or Oval exist.

Tim F, Sunday, 13 May 2012 07:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

Also contenderizer is correct, by 2000 1970 non-dancing electronic music was well entrenched enough that you could be influenced by it without necessarily adopting any stance at all vis a vis clubbing.

Tim F, Sunday, 13 May 2012 07:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

i am not qualified to talk about this particular discussion (i've never heard screamadelica) but i'm just going to throw this in for, hopefully, tim f to pick up: when kid a came out and got its rapturous plaudits, at the time what made me gnash my teeth was that to my ears tori amos's to venus and back had done the alt-musician-goes-electronic thing with so much more life and invention and ideas.

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Sunday, 13 May 2012 07:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

I mentally replaced To Venus and Back with From the Choirgirl Hotel and decided not to call you out on it because that's a pretty good album and stuff even if I disagree with you totally. And then I noticed that it in fact said To Venus and Back and I just stared at what you said in shock for like 4 minutes.

Melissa W, Sunday, 13 May 2012 07:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

I don't think their approaches to electronic music are particular similar.

I couldn't even say what electronic music Tori was listening to in order to come up with her arrangements, which is one of those actually-neutral-in-itself facts that can be framed as a positive or negative depending on yr aim - either she "got electronic music wrong" or she "got electronic music wrong in a way that was right, or at least more interesting."

Whereas Radiohead offered a very competent, very thoughtful integration of contemporary electronic music mores. So it's either more competent or more predictable, depending on how you frame it. The problem I have with "oh it's just IDM DO YOU SEE" stance is not that it's wrong but that it's just an obvious criticism, it's really only one step away from "OH BUT IT HAS GUITARS." As music listeners (and occasionally music crit writers) we are better than this, or should be.

My experience of the reception to Kid A was that it was rather negative, Brett D at pitchfork aside. There's been a lot of retrospective upgrading of its rep.

I remember a guy at the cinema where I worked smugly announcing to me at the beginning of 2001 that the next Radiohead album would be a return to the sound of OK Computer and was the album that they'd meant to release all along and Kid A would be wiped from popular consciousness.

Would have loved to watch his face the first time he listened to Amnesiac.

Tim F, Sunday, 13 May 2012 07:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

Haha I did the same thing as Melissa initially. I obv. like To Venus and Back but I don't think it moves beyond From The Choirgirl Hotel arrangements-wise.

Tim F, Sunday, 13 May 2012 07:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

FTR "Higher Than The Sun" is the best thing on either album and more than anything else suggests an awesome parallel universe where The Orb produced a raft of dance-pop crossover tunes.

Tim F, Sunday, 13 May 2012 07:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

(either album being Kid A and Screamadelica)

Tim F, Sunday, 13 May 2012 07:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

i think FTCH has better songs but TVAB is way more invested in electronic production, which is why i used that example

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Sunday, 13 May 2012 07:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

One thing that I think would be interesting to talk about is the waves of electronic music influence that lapped over the (for want of a better word) alternative music world throughout the nineties and early 00s, like ripples in a pond.

For instance I tend to think that Tori was part of more of a mid-nineties moment of musicians reacting to trip hop and even taking their cues from U2 - sorry Lex! but in truth both those Tori albums sound like her imagining working with Flood (maybe to make it more palatable sub in "A Perfect Day Elise" where I refer to U2).

Radiohead were obv drawing on a different sonic palette and if there's a female musician that beat them to that particular punch it's Bjork with Homogenic - as you'd expect.

Tim F, Sunday, 13 May 2012 08:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

Also I wonder if Tori had listened to Ruby's Salt Peter. OMG Lex did you ever hear that album?

Tim F, Sunday, 13 May 2012 08:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

Oh I just checked the relevant thread and you very much did. Of course!

Tim F, Sunday, 13 May 2012 08:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah Is This Desire? and Salt Peter both sounded way more innovative and strange than Kid A, too - Salt Peter and TVAB have been almost totally written out of history though

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Sunday, 13 May 2012 08:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

I couldn't even say what electronic music Tori was listening to in order to come up with her arrangements, which is one of those actually-neutral-in-itself facts that can be framed as a positive or negative depending on yr aim - either she "got electronic music wrong" or she "got electronic music wrong in a way that was right, or at least more interesting."

me neither! apart from obviously BT and Armand Van H?

literally unbelievable that apparently no one actually asked her this at the time.

liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Sunday, 13 May 2012 08:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

xpost Historical developments very much in character.

Tim F, Sunday, 13 May 2012 08:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

Actually a sonically and historically plausible explanation is The Downward Spiral?

My sense from the time is that anyone who tried to do use looped drums and electronic textures was boxed by the media as ripping from Portishead and Tricky regardless of whether they sounded even remotely similar..

Again, same thing as saying Kid A is "just" a rock band ripping ideas from IDM.

It's an unfortunate feature of rock crit that rock band influences are allowed in all their subtlety and nuance and infinitesimal degrees of individuation but any attempt to incorporate electronic music sees everyone leaping for the laziest analogies possible.

But then I guess this is expressive of that general truth of music reception, that the less familiar you are with a particular style then the more examples of it will appear alike to the point of redundancy.

Tim F, Sunday, 13 May 2012 08:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

Oh god, so many x-posts which I won't read but this was in response to Tim F's first 2 posts.

Firstly, thank you very much but I'm very well aware of the history of non-dancing electronic music. But my opinions have also been formed by reading a lot of interviews with Thom Yorke and his own particular history with music, and dance music in particular (stuff like, he was a DJ while at college, and he used to incessantly play "house records" to the great annoyance of his housemates/future bandmates while they were trying to listen to Pale Saints. Another interview where Jonny was taking the piss out of Thom and saying "Thom basically wants to be Madonna" and Thom not understanding why this might even be considered to be an insult, because he would actually love to be Madonna) There has been a tension, within Radiohead, between Thom's love of club music and other members of the band (and a large segment of their fanbase!) who do have a contempt towards dance music, and would have preferred that they remain a more traditional rock group - or would prefer to be the BBC Radiophonic Workshop in Jonny's case. That's part of what makes them interesting, to me, the ways that they tried to resolve this tension before they just went off in the end and diverted those conflicting impulses to solo work/collaborations.

It's ironic, because the dialogue over that "standing in a pulpit" argument was exactly what triggered my bout of trolling.

It's always kind of a shock going on a Radiohead forum, because I'm used to discussing music in an atmosphere like ILM, where most people have a pretty good comprehensive knowledge of the history of music, even if they have prejudices or just concentrate on their own particular branch of expertise. This is a group of music obsessives. And when someone tries the "it's lazy swiping ideas from IDM' argument here, they will get called on it, as I have been doing since late 2000.

But a forum for a band like Radiohead will contain a core group of music obsessives with an ILM-like musical library, and also contain a huge number of, well... I get called a snob if I refer to them as "12 CD people" but people for whom Radiohead really are the *most* out-there band they know. When you have a band that are that popular, you will get a large proportion of fans who are not music obsessives. It happens. Which is fine, people like what they like. But there *are* some people in that group of people who have, literally, never heard an Autechre record, and insist that Radiohead are somehow groundbreaking or experimental or even avant-garde. This is not straw-manning, these people exist and one of those threads happens like clockwork every few months.

And I would hate to take that pulpit-y attitude because bands like Radiohead are doing something different and equally valid - they are popularisers of ideas, rather than innovators. I think it's actually much harder to take ideas *from* the cutting edge and get them to have the kind of mass popular appeal and exposure that RH have. But they didn't invent those ideas, and the claim that they did (as people do) is just ludicrous.

I get really wound up by the idea of "innovation" obsession. I basically stopped reading the Aphex Twin vs Autechre thread because of that obsession with "innovation" and newness, I find it just perplexing and totally alien. Yes, I recognise that being overly derivative in music is a bad thing, but it doesn't seem like the solution is that constant churning search for "newness" - that race to be "FIRST!" Because that innovation obsession is just treating music like a race, and whoever happens to be the first to stumble into a new technique or piece of technology is often random, and the person who does it first is not always going to be the first. That the artist who refines or popularises or mutates the innovative idea has as much to contribute as the very first person that discovers what happens if you flick that particular switch.

So all these kinds of jumbled thoughts were what triggered the question, and it's quite irritating, Tim, to feel like you're putting words in my mouth stating the exact opposite of the line of thought that got me to asking the question.

They have fangs, They have teeth! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Sunday, 13 May 2012 08:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

n.b. that Ruby album was amazing and I was just listening to Tiny Meat yesterday!

They have fangs, They have teeth! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Sunday, 13 May 2012 08:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

I picked Primal Scream to rile Radiohead fans because they've been going long enough for 12-CD people to be aware of them, and their current reputation for awfulness.

But the conversation about overlapping waves of embarrassing indie-rock / club music crossover could go back further, to Jesus Jones and EMF but I don't think that anyone there would have heard of them to wince over.

Or further still to New Order, who did probably actually invent the whole thing, but the argument of "rock band suddenly switches to club music" would only work if you included Joy Division as part of New Order, because New Order pretty much seem to have been conceived from inception to ~include a dance element~.

I mean, the whole "there's always been a dance element to our music" joke of ageing dinosaur bands who suddenly got a remix and a makeover, when did that cliche date to?

They have fangs, They have teeth! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Sunday, 13 May 2012 08:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

Also, Lex, you will HATE Screamadelica, and Primal Scream will just make you gnash your teeth in general, but I do urge you to go to the top of this thread and listen to Don't Fight It Feel It, which I posted at the beginning of the thread, to get an idea of exactly how much of a deviation Screamadelica was from what was ~expected~ of a regulation Creation Revival-Rock band.

They have fangs, They have teeth! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Sunday, 13 May 2012 08:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

I was agreeing with you against Dog Latin re Radiohead's use of IDM.

But whatever members of the band may have personally thought, I can't listen to Kid A and think "hmm, this smacks of contempt of club culture", and I'm curious as to what musical cues you think suggest that.

Clearly there's a tension between operating as a traditional band and not, but to me it doesn't feel like club culture is at one end of that tension. Definitely more like a modern equiv of a mid to late 70s Eno record (which, similarly, had nothing to say one way or another about disco culture).

Radiohead-fans having contempt of club-culture is a different matter and I'm sure everything you say in that regard is correct.

Tim F, Sunday, 13 May 2012 08:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

Oh, OK, I thought that was to me and got defensive. Fair enough.

I think it's being aware that members of Radiohead themselves had contempt for club culture - and listening to Idioteque with that filter in mind. I mean, even calling the song Idioteque seems to drip with a kind of snide contempt, though Yorke's contempt is often so scattershot it's hard to tell where it's aimed at. I am probably interpreting it completely wrongly, but that song, the contrast between the music and the lyrics just seems to have this undercurrent of "how can you fuckwits be dancing round your mobiles when the polar caps are melting."

They have fangs, They have teeth! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Sunday, 13 May 2012 08:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

(Basically, the best way for me to actually enjoy RH is to not listen to or attempt to understand the lyrics at all, because I always get them wrong.)

They have fangs, They have teeth! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Sunday, 13 May 2012 08:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

left out Spacemen 3 in that lineage

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 14 May 2012 17:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah, good point. other points on the curve:

sonic youth claim can as an influence, something i think you can hear in primitive form on early tracks like "the burning spear" and "brave men run"
can as a frequent reference point in reviews of noisy/drony stuff like live skull and a.c. temple during the early 90s
paperhouse records (active 1990-93)

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 18:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'd like to thank this thread for getting me to go back and listen to Screamadelica for the first time in a long time. Don't Fight It, Feel It sounds much better than I remember it being, Moving On Up not quite as good as I remember but still good. Those two plus Higher Than The Sun are the big keepers for me. I still kind of hate Loaded but there you go. What also strikes me generally is how slow a lot of the tunes sound now.

Mr Andy M, Monday, 14 May 2012 18:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

In Rainbows is the worst sequenced album in RH's entire bunch!

I think that The Teardrop Explodes can probably go quite early in that sequence, in fact they might even claim the "first!" of indie Krautrock obsession?

They have fangs, They have teeth! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Monday, 14 May 2012 18:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

This is the narrative that everyone keeps mentioning when trying to make sense of the record. I suspect it's more based on Thom going on about Warp records in interviews rather than the sound of the album itself. Aside from the vocal effect on the title track and the vaguely Selected Ambient Works quality of Treefingers, I don't hear anything on the rest of the that codes as IDM-inflected?

Beats-wise, I certainly can hear Autechre Amber-era on Idioteque or the Anti EP, even... but I'm sure this topic has been discussed a million times. You're probably right to the extent that I'm just prejudiced. My position isn't particularly sophisticated or insightful, I guess I'll be voting for Screamadelica.

MikoMcha, Monday, 14 May 2012 18:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

Pete Shelley: "I never would have played guitar if not for Marc Bolan and Michael Karoli of Can".

pat rice memorial barbecue (Ward Fowler), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

In Rainbows is the worst sequenced album in RH's entire bunch!

― They have fangs, They have teeth! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Monday, May 14, 2012 6:14 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I couldn't agree with this. I'd say Pablo Honey was the one where they really dropped the ball on the track order.

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Monday, 14 May 2012 20:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

OK Computer and In Rainbows are perfectly sequenced I think. Kid A and Amnesiac not so much.

― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Monday, May 14, 2012 5:48 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The second half of Kid A (from 'Optimistic' to 'Motion Picture Soundtrack') is impeccably sequenced, it feels continuous and has such a momentum to it. As for the first half, I've never been taken with the positioning of the title track as the 2nd track, but looking at the songs that they had at the time, I'm struggling to think of where else they could have put it.

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

tru confessions: I was an insufferable 14 y/o 12-CD owning radiohead fanboy ca. kid a. I was absolutely infatuated w them after eating a steady diet of classic rock and metallica and nirvana. they were my gateway into electronic music generally, and specifically krautrock/aphex twin/etc later. whoever said screamadelica was extroverted and kid a was introverted was right. I think that's one of the things that drew me in about it. I listen t kid a "more objectively" now but it has ~personal meaning~ for me.

got into screamadelica years later. love it too. love xtrmntr more tho. feel like "national anthem" and "mbv arkestra (if they move kill em)" are built from similar things (mbv arkestra wins that battle, way more apocalyptic feeling)

he bit me (it felt like a diss) (m bison), Monday, 14 May 2012 21:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

screamadelica is fun, kid a isn't. there you go. if it had been screamadelica vs. amesiac it would have been a different story though. amnesiac isn't fun neither, it is stronger than fun, it is scaring.

alex in mainhattan, Monday, 14 May 2012 21:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm with MikoMcha all the way here. And yes I hear a clear IDM influence (though perhaps not a wholesale ripping-off of any one artist's steez) running all the way through it. I've changed my mind in more recent times as to whether that's a bad or good thing.

I've decided I prefer Radiohead as a band, Kid A as an album, but the opening verses to Higher Than The Sun do something to me that very little music can.

Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Monday, 14 May 2012 22:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

screamadelica is fun, kid a isn't.

this also resolves the timeless "john coltrane vs the wiggles" debate

The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Monday, 14 May 2012 22:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

i can't believe it but i'm actually voting for Screamadelica. must be that acid trip at Joshua Tree.

Bee OK, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 02:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

wiggles aren't fun but they're stronger than fun, they're scaring.

Tim F, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 02:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

wiggle and learn

Pacific Trash Vortex (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 07:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

I've never liked The National Anthem. And not just bcz Primal Scream & early Spiritualized and Stereolab and even 13 era Blur did more convincing free jazz freakouts. (so it's not just IDM that snobs can sniff about on this album.)

It's that if you listen to either version of ITMKE, it's that prowling bassline that adds a swagger to the menace which makes it oddly emotionally conflicted. Like yeah, this is evil, but it's seductive evil in that apocalypse. You can see why ppl would go for that evil.

The bassline on National Anthem really lets it down. It's the evil of incompetence rather than the genuine seductive malevolence of ITMKE.

Sorry. ITMKE is possibly my fave Scream song but I have to be in a cage-pacing mood for TNA.

They have fangs, They have teeth! (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 07:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

Well, what can I say? For me, Kid A is sequenced fine, the basslines are cool too, and while I'm here.. to all my old bands I ever played bass for: Do not mistake my reticence to overburden your lovely music with overdecorous or fussy bass notes for incompetence, alright? Oh, you did...

Mark G, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 08:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

ITMKE?

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 08:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

National Anthem was always my fave on Kid A because it sounded like an XTRMNTR out-take to me.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 08:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

It took me a while too: If They Move, Kill' em.

Mark G, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 08:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

Aha!

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 08:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

No, that's KMKY

Mark G, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 08:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

I was wondering what the result was for this one.

Soon come, I guess..

Mark G, Thursday, 24 May 2012 10:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

I listened to Kid A on decent headphones for the first time in about a decade. That was interesting. There were all kinds of details I had either never heard or completely forgotten about.

Still prefer Screamadelica tho.

Winner goes on to face Technique. ;-)

Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Thursday, 24 May 2012 12:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

!

Mark G, Thursday, 24 May 2012 12:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

Was it this thread that suggested I dig out the Apparat DJ Kicks? He seems to have such a high hitrate for picking out sparkly bobbins I will like. Or perhaps he just sparkles everything up. I wish I liked his albums as much as his collabs and DJ sets. I should dig out Walls again. But I listened to his last one and it just sounded entirely too much like U2 in places.

(I know everyone has been saying how much it sounds like Radiohead but it sounds like the bits of RH I don't like.)

Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Thursday, 24 May 2012 13:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

I know this is wrong, but I voted for Screamadelica despite not having heard Kid A. But there are so few records I prefer to Screamadelica, what are the odds Kid A would be one of them?

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 24 May 2012 13:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

Voted option 3 by using Firebug.

Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 24 May 2012 13:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Friday, 25 May 2012 00:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

Come on Screamadelica.

MikoMcha, Friday, 25 May 2012 21:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

Sounds like you enjoyed it too much.

Chewshabadoo, Friday, 25 May 2012 21:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

Or he's having a Harry Hill moment

Mark G, Friday, 25 May 2012 22:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

I just don't feel that way about Radiohead...

MikoMcha, Friday, 25 May 2012 22:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

C'mon Thommy! Don't fight it, feel it!

WOO! HEY!

Whoops, sorry, I voted for the other one. ;_;

Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Friday, 25 May 2012 22:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

We're gonna have a good time! We're gonna have a party!

MikoMcha, Friday, 25 May 2012 22:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

We wanna be FREE to DO what we wanna DO.

And we wanna be free to ride our MACHINES without being HASSLED by THE MAN!!!

Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Friday, 25 May 2012 22:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

(Shit, I always forget. That line's in the film, but it's not in the song, is it?)

Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Friday, 25 May 2012 22:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

It's that bit at about 3:25 where, after the "I'm gonna get deep down, deep down, woo, hey" spoken bit, and then there's this groovy bit of house piano and then suddenly THE BIGGEST MOST REVERBED OUT GUITAR CHORD IN THE WORLD COMES IN about twice as loud as anything else on the track, and everything else is silent but the bongos and the kick drum, and I have heard that a million times over the past 20 years and it still scares the shit out of me every time. Such a spine-tingling moment.

Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Friday, 25 May 2012 22:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

I used to think that 'just what is it you want to do" and all that was from that episode of Star Trek where the enterprise got 'invaded' by hippies.

like, "We're gonna have a pardee.." was Kirk being sarcastic and getting some bongos out.

Mark G, Friday, 25 May 2012 23:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

Not Knowing the film, obv.

Still, when I hear that dude say "and that's what we're gonna do" etc, and the kid in the background gets all keen..

It always sounds like it's gonna end really badly!

I have no idea if that's what happens in the film or what.

Mark G, Friday, 25 May 2012 23:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

That would be an understatement.

But, still, Nancy Sinatra's hair stays amazing through the whole thing.

Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Friday, 25 May 2012 23:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

Oh, is that where she's called "Mike"?

I just read about the 'influences' of 69 love songs, it mentions her on the "Papa was a rodeo" song page.

Mark G, Friday, 25 May 2012 23:58 (1 year ago) Permalink

Wow! Close!

Mark G, Saturday, 26 May 2012 00:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Saturday, 26 May 2012 00:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

i voted for the winner with literally 1 minute left in the poll

some dude, Saturday, 26 May 2012 00:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

thank you, some dude

spextor vs bextor (contenderizer), Saturday, 26 May 2012 00:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

closer than i expected. Wrong, but I figured on a Kid A rout.

EZ Snappin, Saturday, 26 May 2012 00:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

Solipsism wins on the Internet. Who would have thought.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 26 May 2012 03:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

i voted Screamadelica but know deep down that Kid A is a better record. just have better memories for the former, fair results.

Bee OK, Saturday, 26 May 2012 04:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

I did not expect it to be that close! Neither did I expect that winner!

I do actually think Screamadelica is the better record, but I think it's probably an age thing, that both Kid A and RH are more fresh in ppl's minds.

It's good to be surprised by a poll you thought was a lock-in though!

Dixie Narco Martenot (White Chocolate Cheesecake), Saturday, 26 May 2012 06:50 (1 year ago) Permalink


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