(THIS) POLL REVERE(S) — ILM Artist Poll #19 — Beastie Boys VOTING THREAD

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64 is the backbone of the first half of the song.

how's life, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 15:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

I remember excitedly buying paul's boutique on its release date and, like a whole lot of other people, just not getting it. the fanzine I was writing for at the time was very pro-beasties, but we ended up giving it to lisa suckdog to pan since nobody else wanted to touch it. there were a lot of positive reviews in the mainstream press, but iirc they mostly exhibited a begrudging respect for its sprawl rather than actual passionate raving.

then a weird thing happened... in 1990 I got an inexplicable hankering to hear it again. there wasn't any impetus, like a song being in a commercial or a TV show appearance, just wanted to check it out again, so I went looking for it in record stores and couldn't find a copy *anywhere*. I phoned up one store and the guy on the line said, "you are the third person who's called looking for that album this week. no, we don't have it." some bizarre hive mind moment. when I finally did locate a copy it didn't leave my car stereo for months.

paul's boutique was one of those times when somebody gets so far out in front it takes a while to catch on, and nobody ever catches up.

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 15:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

Throughout most of the 90s, the Beasties were a good year ahead of everyone else in almost every respect. I don't think they were conscious about steering trends, but they were doing it.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 15:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

the fanzine I was writing for at the time was very pro-beasties, but we ended up giving it to lisa suckdog to pan since nobody else wanted to touch it.

can i just say how much i love this sentence

some dude, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 15:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'll have to listen again with 64 in mind; it'll probably be embarrassingly obvious now, it's just never really registered. The drums from The End hit me the first time I heard it, I think.

cosign on the sentence. Would hang with Lisa Suckdog.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 15:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

what's suckdog?

fishermen are coveted by whores & stoners (Pillbox), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 15:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

Read Edward's post!

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 15:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

btw carrying on from this convo, Paul's is the 2nd most popular of the band's original LPs to return to the Billboard 200 this week:

In the wake of Beastie Boys member Adam "MCA" Yauch's
 death on Friday, the group's landmark 1986 debut, Licensed to Ill, broke back onto the charts at #18 on sales of 19,000, as business picked up by more than 800 percent over the previous week.

It was one of several Beastie Boys albums
 that crashed back onto the charts, which also included Solid Gold Hits (#51, 8,000), Paul's Boutique (#56, 8,000), Hot Sauce Committee Part Two (#107, 4,000), Ill Communication (#109, 4,000), Check Your Head (#124, 4,000) and Anthology: Sounds of Science (#141, 3,000).

some dude, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 15:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

I was at Target yesterday and they had cds of Licensed to Ill for $5 (didn't see any of the other albums at all). I got one just because it's easier than digging in a box to find my old copy.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 15:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

pillbox you may know her by her govt name

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Crystal_Carver

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 15:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

very diff albums pecking order on the current most listened to albums on US Spotify btw: Ill Communication (#62), Licensed (#65), Hello Nasty (#66), Paul's Boutique (#70), Hot Sauce (#99)

some dude, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 15:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

i just kind of vaguely know Lisa Suckdog as an '80s underground rock person, since she wrote the liners for the reissue of Sonic Youth's Evol

some dude, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 15:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

I somehow ended up with a cassette copy of Licensed to Ill when I was about 15 - I don't remember buying it so I'm not sure how I ended up with it. But especially once I started driving, it was "the little cassette that could" for like, 10 years. Bored with new stuff, radio sucks? Throw on LTI. Crappy day, gonna drive to get some pizza? LTI.
Even when PB and CYH became the cool Beasties albums, there was something about LTI. And like someone mentioned upthread, it always settled those knock down, drag out, who-rules-the-stereo-arguments with your friends.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 16:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

lisa never really rocked, except maybe back and forth

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 16:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

it's going to be hard not to do a 100% paul's boutique / ill communication ballot

the late great, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 16:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

dunno that there's such a thing as a bad ballot itt

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 16:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

I fucked up the order of my ballot because I was too impatient to get it out there, but I'm happy with my song selection.

how's life, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 16:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

i just remembered that LTI was the first non-Christian record I owned as a kid (mom was on the whole PMRC/satanic-panic tip), on cassette & given to me for my tenth birthday by my not-totally-ex-hippie uncle David. My folks let me keep it for some reason &, there then being no rationale for a continued household ban on the devil's music, I was free to pursue a life of music fandom and hedonic apostasy.

fishermen are coveted by whores & stoners (Pillbox), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 16:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

my ballot was pretty silly, I'm sure I would rank them differently on any given day. Resisted the urge to just submit the Paul's Boutique tracklisting.

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 16:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

when the re-appraisal of Paul's Boutique kicked in is hard to measure. I remember it being praised as similar to (and better than) "3 Feet High and Rising" when it came out while I was in high school, but I couldn't find a copy. I remember seeing the Hey Ladies video and being jealous of a classmate who had a cassette copy, but wasn't able to locate a copy of my own until 2 years later, at which point I was blown away. And then Check Your Head came out shortly afterwards.

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 16:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm not sure reappraisal is the right word when the album got awesome reviews in '89. We discovered it many years later.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 16:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

Pazz and Jop '89:

11. Tom Petty: Full Moon Fever (MCA) 381 (35)
12. Beastie Boys: Paul's Boutique (Capitol) 347 (32)
13. Fine Young Cannibals: The Raw and The Cooked (I.R.S.)

interesting sandwich!

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 16:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

would gladly consume such a sandwich tbh

fishermen are coveted by whores & stoners (Pillbox), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 16:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

Really wish I had bought Paul's Boutique instead of Raw and the Cooked : (

how's life, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 16:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

Owning either (or both) makes life better, so don't beat yourself up.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 16:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm not sure reappraisal is the right word

sure - it's an album that had trouble finding it's audience, I guess. I'm not sure why. It's not like my tastes changed radically between '89 and '91, I just literally could not get my hands on the album.

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 16:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

I heard about it for a few years before I actually heard it. I remember reading excited reviews about it in various places, but unlike LTI -- which was much in evidence everywhere throughout my college years -- I don't remember knowing anyone who had a copy of Paul's Boutique. It went on my "I should check that out" list, and eventually I did.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 16:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

just wanna vote for the second half of Ill Communication except that it's such a groove in itself that it's hard to separate things. probably perverse to vote "Transitions" #1 but I'm thinking about it

Euler, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 17:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah i mean...a much higher percentage of Appetite For Destruction fans bought GNR Lies than Licensed To Ill fans bought Paul's Boutique. it was really kind of a huge initial dropoff in sales.

some dude, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 17:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah and I don't get why that was, exactly? was there some kind of backlash to LTI that I'm forgetting? I guess Tougher Than Leather had a similar drop-off

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 17:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

Mr Veg remembers a lot people complaining that PB was 'too noisy', ie bc of so much sampling. And I think a lot of people took them literally with the tuff leather jackets partyboy stuff and got mad when they didn't do LTI Part II

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 17:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

The differences between Tougher Than Leather and Raising Hell are WAY less substantial than the differences between Paul's Boutique and Licensed to Ill. I think a ton of people who thought No Sleep Til Brooklyn and Fight for Your Right were like, "what? This is actual rap. I want some rock with rapping on it."

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 17:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

Lies had an enormous hit ballad.

how's life, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 17:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

but see that would require that people actually heard PB and didn't like it. which to my mind was not the case, people just didn't buy it or hear it (or even know about it)

xp

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 17:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

actually not as hard as i thought

my breakdown

LTI - two songs, quite low
PB - nine songs, def dominating the top 10
CYH - only four songs, even though i really like it as an album it's hard to pick individual songs off of it, everything seems to work better in context
IC - only two songs?!? i thought i liked this album!
HN - three songs, but two of them are quite high

the late great, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 17:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

didn't pick any instrumental tracks because it didn't seem to make sense but if i picked one it would probably be "butterfly"

the late great, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 17:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

The differences between Tougher Than Leather and Raising Hell are WAY less substantial than the differences between Paul's Boutique and Licensed to Ill.

right, I was just bringing it up because they were both on Def Jam and both previous records sounded similar - a sound which was (maybe? I don't remember) considered passe by '88.

xp

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 17:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

relistening to Ill Communication and DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN!

Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 17:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

not that PB sounded like LTI obviously, just that maybe people assumed it did and so didn't bother...?

xp

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 17:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

RUN DMC was never on Def Jam, though...right? Profile all the way!

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 17:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

i somehow forgot how FUNKY this album is. Crazy, especially considering the hardcore thrown in doesn't throw it off at all.

Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 17:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

RUN DMC was never on Def Jam, though...right? Profile all the way!

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 18:09 (15 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

understandable mistake to make, being brothers w/ Russell Simmons.

Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 17:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

paul's boutique commercial failure was due to 1) no hit single and 2) it alienated almost all the existing fans who bought it unheard

with no word of mouth and nothing on radio/TV what was going to fuel sales?

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 17:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

when heard in the context of the album "hey ladies" makes sense, but as a single it sounded like a big mess. the chorus is non-existent, and those retro funk moves sounded kinda kitschy after years of 80s future shock and their own brief legacy of big drums and riffage. as a habitual MTV watcher at the time I can say honestly say I saw the "shake your rump" video once, and "hey ladies" 0 times.

diamanda ram dass (Edward III), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 17:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

I saw Hey Ladies every morning before school for a while.

how's life, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 17:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

haha I always forget that about Run DMC. I habitually associate Def Jam with that early Rick Rubin style, what can I say

def saw the Hey Ladies video a couple times when it came out

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 17:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

I remember the premiere of Hey Ladies being a huge deal on MTV, but I don't think I saw any of the other Paul's Boutique videos until well into the 90s.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 17:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

with no word of mouth and nothing on radio/TV what was going to fuel sales?

Robert Hillburn!

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 17:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

of course!

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 17:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

Maybe if Hey Ladies hadn't had to compete with Love Shack for America's retro kitcsh dollars that fall.

how's life, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 17:28 (1 year ago) Permalink


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