Britpop era follow up to successful albums poll

pulp in a walk

i thought that supergrass record WAS their most successful one?

thought Mansun - Six would be in here. It's also better than all of the above. next best = This Is Hardcore.

pulp in a walk

― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, May 4, 2012 10:01 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

In It For The Money is pretty good, though

The Embrace album is the only one I still like by them. The Boo Radleys album is good. Pulp is good. Supergrass is alright. Em rates the Ash album. The Blur album has loads of great hooks and arrangements, but is let down by a hideous set of lyrics and vocals from Damon.

Kula Shaker ftw.

yeah i forgot mansun. oh well.

wouldve voted for it too, heh

Blur or Supergrass. Leaning toward Supergrass.

In It For The Money, probably. Never could really get as into Pulp as everyone else seemed to be.

(I will also defend Be Here Now. Sorry.)

Pulp, Blur and Supergrass are the only bands here I ever really cared for. I think I'll vote for Supergrass; though the title track of This is Hardcore remains an extraordinary record.

Why did you go off Embrace, Sick?

Pulp must own this!

this seems like the right place to state that 'Peas, Ants, Pigs and Astronauts' was a really underrated dn by whoever that was

"This Is Hardcore" was the first Pulp song I ever heard. The entire time I kept waiting for a sexy French assassin to crawl out of the radio and kill me with her breast-garotte.

Obviously I am voting Pulp.

the anglophiles have spoken!

i'm so glad i grew up in england's worst decade

so did i it was called the '80s'

come on. look. this was the worst music ever.

someone was busking playing 'walk away' the other day and i wanted to grab him and yell DON'T PLAY THAT SONG, GOD, WHY EVEN DEVOTE THE ENERGY TO REMEMBERING THAT SONG EXISTS, LET ALONE PLAYING IT AND MAKING OTHER PEOPLE REMEMBER IT EXISTED

oh yeah the music sucks, but the 80s had thatcher = worst decade ever

I saw John Power in the pub the other day.

exciting times!

and yeah all scottish buskers play britpop or 60s stuff, why?

i met john power once. nice guy actually.

you know it's a good crowd of records when you look at it and think, actually, maybe that suede album is kind of underrated

that suede album is the pits. loved them up til that album

i wonder how bad the unreleased second Seahorses album is?

voted The Great Escape to help it fight all the bad press it gets

In it for the money
although i have a soft spot for c'mon kids

Went for C'Mon Kids, but really should've been Great Escape. 1996 was a weird echo-boom time for British pop - lots of bands hurrying to follow up their 94/95 successes as the Britpop craze slackened off.

as dadrock took off in its place

In It For The Money wipes the FLOOR with the debut; probably one of the best rock albums of that whole era, it's an amazing record!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXi6xPL52qU

no it isn't.

Dadrock? I see '96 as a strange, self contained post-Britpop era full of androgynous rockers and tongue-in-cheek poppers who blew up very quickly, got a big fanbase but were doomed to inhabit this segment of time - Skunk Anansie, Placebo, Space, Kula Shaker, Mansun y'know. I guess it's just how I compartmentalise that era. After that, Britpop went all space age and formica white - OK Computer, Urban Hymns, Ladies & Gentlemen.... and after that?

tongue-in-cheek poppers

yr doing it wrong

was waiting for that joke tbf

pulp is the best record here but i have a soft spot for the bluetones one. i suspect the supergrass one probably aged better than the rest of their records. most of these records are genuinely terrible

pulp in a walk

For me this is "how is this even a poll?"

There are only a handful of other albums on this list I even like, and none come close to This is Hardcore.

supergrass

Us And Us Only is actually a really good album IIRC

I donated my vote to a co-worker who was a huge brit pop guy, he voted for Ocean Colour Scene as a trv kvlt brit pop slept on classic, he estimated he'd heard about 90 percent of these records

he also said supergrass, paul weller, shed seven and pulp were good choices

'co-worker'

your coworker's talking out his bum tbf...

algerian - he's someone i work with, i don't even know what you're "on about"

dog latin - i have no opinion about brit pop i don't care

it was a joke

Have honestly never heard any of these albums, guessing I could probably tolerate Pulp or Supergrass but gtf with the rest of that stuff.

One omission that I could genuinely get behind: the Auteurs - After Murder Park

yeah the auteurs are fucking great

A quick, closer look at some of these...

Blur - The Great Escape isn't actually all that bad - the main complaint that I have about the record is that it's too long, and about roughly a third or so of it is filler. It's best stuff is great, though.

Oasis - Be Here Now is pretty much the sonic equivalent of excrement. Under-written and over-inflated. The mixes are too loud, and everyone concerned sounds like they can't be arsed.

The Boo Radleys - C'mon Kids is a far more interesting record than its predecessor, but the band were completely kidding themselves if they thought they were going to be able to take all of the fans that fell in love with Wake Up! with them. It's definitely not a record for everyone.

Ocean Colour Scene - Marchin' Already - basically a facsimile of their previous record, but with slightly more of a folky feel and more of an emphasis on ballads. Also, the songs aren't as good as those on Moseley Shoals.

Paul Weller - Heavy Soul is the worst solo album Weller had put out at this point in his career. Sounds very underproduced and half-written in places. 'Driving Nowhere' and 'Friday Street' are the very definition of coasting.

Pulp - This Is Hardcore is absolutely fucking excellent, and has held up extremely well. If I'm ever going to listen to Pulp, this is the album I'll dig out.

Suede - Head Music - Brett Anderson discovers crack and smack, Richard Oakes discovers cider and pies and Neil Codling takes too much drugs and can't get out of bed. A lot was made of this album at the time being a departure from the 'usual' Suede sound, but really it just sounds like a bunch of heavily produced Suede-by-numbers tracks with synthesizers on them. And don't get me started on the half-arsed lyrics...

Kula Shaker - Peasants, Pigs & Astronauts - bit of a curious one this. 'Great Hosannah' and 'S.O.S.' stand out as great over the top moments, but there's loads of strange filler on this one. 'Radhe Radhe', 'I'm Still Here', 'Timeworm', 'Last Farewell'... 'Mystical Machine Gun' was a terrible single, and they could have written stuff like '108 Battles' and 'Golden Avatar' in their sleep. But fucking hell, it's very well produced. Bob Ezrin, I do believe.

Ash - Nu-Clear Sounds - Never had a problem with this record. 'Projects' and 'Wildsurf' being particular highlights. I find 'Folk Song' really beautiful also. I'd actually rather listen to this than 1977 or Free All Angels, thinking about it.

Supergrass - In It for the Money - The best record Supergrass ever made. Yes, even better than I Should Coco, in my opinion, which I've always found to be a touch overrated.

Manic Street Preachers - This Is My Truth Tell Me Yours - zzzzZZZZZzzzzZZZZzzzZZZZzzz...

The Bluetones - Return to the Last Chance Saloon - If it wasn't for the filler placed on the later half of the album, I'd actually consider this their best album. There's more variety on this record than on Expecting To Fly, and the material is better than what they did afterwards. Love the way 'Tone Blooze' segues into 'Unpainted Arizona', the Star Trek Red Alert sien on 'U.T.A.'... 'The Jub-Jub Bird' = great... '4-Day Weekend'... 'If...'. Very underrated record.

Gomez - Liquid Skin - I've always liked this one more than the overrated Bring It On. 'California', 'Devil Will Ride', 'Las Vegas Dealer'...

Shed Seven - Let It Ride - Dear god...

Catatonia - Equally Cursed & Blessed - the thing about this record is that it was an eagerly-awaited follow-up to a record that wasn't even that good. This band never improved on their debut, Way Beyond Blue, in my opinion. 'Londinium' is a 'Road Rage' re-write, 'Karaoke Queen' is embarrassing... 'Dead From The Waist Down' is corny as hell. I have a soft spot for 'Storm The Palace' and 'Bulimic Beats', mind.

Cast - Mother Nature Calls - Sorry, no. I'd rather have my teeth pulled or have a vasectomy with no anaesthetic than ever have to endure listening to 'Soul Tied' again. Some real crud on this disc. 'Guiding Star' is probably the highlight, with 'The Mad Hatter'/'Never Gonna Tell You What To Do'/'Dance Of The Stars' being okay, I guess. But, god, the hippie titles: 'Live The Dream', 'Free Me', 'She Sun Shines'...

Oh yeah, Catatonia: Cerys Matthews ended up on heroin by the end of that. So many examples.

also you have a bunch of indiekids in adidas tops suddenly becoming popstars and then trying to / being asked to write records for the Smash Hits and Top Of The Pops crowd.
i think the records that survive are : the rock records that weren't ever part of the lurch from indie to mainstream; blur & supergrass who were always pop bands anyway, until later on at least; pulp & boos because those records are a conscious back-turning on the previous HITS!

Never really realised the extent of the coke and horse thing, but it totally makes sense. I remember that era of Britpop feeling so bloated and self-important.

Embrace are pretty much clean.

For horse tails of latterday Britpop, look no further than Marion. Fucking hellfire.

Oh god, yeah, Marion. It's incredible, because I saw them circa 1996 and they were very much 'together' onstage!

Britpop always felt like it was its own worst enemy to me. Cool Brittania and all that, believing in themselves and their time in the sun and then going on to do some self-indulgent, bloated, overwrought turd w/no sense of fun. The first albums tended to be really cute at least, if not actually great, and by their third, unless they had basically reconfigured everything, they were unlistenable.

'Cool Britannia' had fuck-all to do with the people making the music, and everything to do with the people writing about it. It went down better with some bands than with others. You'd be surprised at how many bands at the time hated terms like 'Britpop', 'Cool Britannia', 'Dadrock' and 'Noelrock', or just plain weren't arsed about being part of anything. Oasis took it to the other extreme, they literally lapped everything up, until they fell off the rails sometime post-Knebworth.

i saw marion at t in the park and they were great (as was the album) never heard the 2nd japan only album.

"always felt" = I was in the States again and this was how they were trying to market it.

HOW DOES IT FEEL
WHEN YOU'RE INSIDE

....ME

i wonder how much Pulp will win by?

97 Lovers.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

nice work ILX

whoah

>:(

bummer, I thought The Great Escape was gonna gather, well, much more votes than this

i knew i was right.

did not expect any albums to get 40+ votes

The fact that In It For The Money and This Is Hardcore were the top two doesn't surprise me at all. What surprises me is the MASSIVE spike in votes between 3rd place and 2nd.

This was a two-horse race for me between This Is Hardcore and In It For The Money, and after careful consideration I've went with This Is Hardcore.

Runners-up: The Great Escape, C'mon Kids...(snip)

― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Friday, May 4, 2012 5:11 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

C'mon Kids is a very good album you guys!

It's got some brilliant stuff on it, but it's definitely not an album for everyone.

can't really complain about these results

lol @ vote for reef

who voted for sleeper

That top five is spot on. C'mon Kids is a great album, maybe my second favourite of theirs after Giant Steps.

i put it slightly after ichabod & i

i actually own Ichabod & I on vinyl, the Boo Radleys worst album. even something not yet fully realized as Everything's Alright Forever is miles better than their debut.

I am listening to Giant Steps right this very moment(!) ... 'Upon 9th And Fairchild' is feedbacktastic.

I voted for Sleeper as it's the only one on the list I own! Not a good album, though.

131 voters?!

I had no idea ILM loved Supergrass. That kinda rules.

Suede got the most discussion and no votes! Must be bad...

Upon 9th and Fairchild is also dubtastic - makes me think of a cold blue-lit kitchen floor at 3am.

C'Mon Kids beat the Great Escape! Nice one ILX (not that I don't like GE)

Wow. I love half of This Is Hardcore but it's very weak in places. Even Owen Hatherley, who's a total Pulp stan, is critical of it in his Uncommon book. A lot rests on the title track and The Fear. But then there isn't a truly great album on the list and this is ILX so…

Don't tell that to the pulp fanatics on ilm!

TV Movie and I'm a Man are the only songs on This Is Hardcore that I don't really rate that much.

I wonder how well Mansun's Six would have done if it had been included.

I doubt very much it would have taken votes from Pulp but it may have split the Supergrass vote but we will never know.

I still cant be arsed doing the 90s dance/trip-hop version of the poll mainly because of all the dance polls lately that everyone moaned about. But if anyones brave enough go for it

You should get in line for a britpop tracks ballot poll instead, there's clearly demand for it. 'Special/Blown It (delete as appropriate)' ftw, put right some injustice.

not a chance

I have that second Marion album, Algerian Goalkeeper, got it for a couple of quid (at a record fair I think). Not listened to it for ages but liked it enough when I got it.

I own 15 of those albums and have previously owned one or two more. I'm getting tempted to make a playlist.

Was just the right age to be really into these bands, was 11 when I started reading the NME in 1994, so was timed perfectly for Britpop to be a big thing to me.

My vote went to 'Nu-Clear Sounds' because Ash where my favourite band pretty much the whole way through secondary school, and if I was to listen to an Ash album right now I'd gravitate towards that. Some really lovely "ballads" on there. I remember "Jesus Says" knocking me back a bit when I first heard it though.

i feel bad now for not voting but i thought pulp was going to win by such a landslide my vote didn't matter! i can't believe some of these got more than one vote (black grape?!)

i didn't know marion had a second album, but i loved the first

I remember being puzzled why it never got any publicity when it seemed like all their contemporaries made it big on that trajectory. I only saw them do one interview on MTV, where Jaime was really muted and even sat down while everyone else was standing.

It wasn't 'til much later that I found out about the swan-stealing &c.

This was the single from the second album ('The Program'):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_8Kh48_AVs

There may have been another single after that, can't remember.

The second Marion album wasn't bad. It was actually released in the UK in late 98 but with no fanfare. It was Menswe@r's second album that only came out in Japan. Miyako Hideaway is a great single, should have been a hit. They've actually just reformed, Jamie has been a really bad way for a long time by the sounds of it. I remember seeing them on that Britpop Now show thinking they were the coolest band on there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bvLDHWYy_E

Man, I had albums or singles by many of these artists but one by one they were sold. Very few had much staying power past their debut album or single. Of all these bands I'll still go to bat for the first Cast album (which was such a breath of fresh air at the time) and the early Sleeper singles and their second album, "The It Girl". Elastica's best moments were when Mark E Smith was collaborating with them!

sorry to hear you were chained to a radiator in Beirut

disappointed DG didn't post here, it's his fave era of music.