Also that's a pretty great mix though not as good as Andre Galuzzi's similar Berghain 01.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:28 (twelve years ago) link
ben UFO though is doing something that a lot of people have assumed for a long time to be impossible ("serious" techno/house w/ heavily swung urban stuff like ukg, post-dubstep, dubstep, grime, etc) AND doing it 100% w/ vinyl AND doing it w/ tons of energy and excitement and dj tricks and whatnot
ty for posting this the day before Ben UFO plays here
― ┗|∵|┓ (sic), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:39 (twelve years ago) link
Aren't all Loco Dice tracks ghost written by Martiin? Either way I can't stand that sound.
― Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
Er, Martin Buttrich.
― Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 22:44 (twelve years ago) link
I was referring to the DJ mix not his tracks (though there were a couple of great Loco Dice tracks).
― Tim F, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 23:05 (twelve years ago) link
OK, but I can't stand the whole "sunglasses" sound to be honest. Around 2005/2006 was the first time I realised some minimal house was getting very different from the stuff I was digging.
― Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 19 April 2012 08:29 (twelve years ago) link
yeah it became about how you looked rather than what the music was. eg if you wore sunglasses you were obviously a moron incapable of liking good music.
― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Thursday, 19 April 2012 08:51 (twelve years ago) link
Loco Dice put out 2 12"s around 2005/2006 on Ovum which were pretty classic. Would be prob filed under deep house currently. Both Buttrich productions. Having seen him play a few times I'd say he pretty competent but no surprises. Tim F is right he really was a star of 'minimal' which he achieved by doing both the Ibiza DC10 thing, the Germany/Berlin thing and linking up with big labels of the time; Cadenza and M_nus. He wore sunglasses a lot at had the right 'look', i.e. not a pasty looking european.
― mmmm, Thursday, 19 April 2012 10:31 (twelve years ago) link
i've heard of about 3 of these...
― Scary Move 4 (dog latin), Thursday, 19 April 2012 10:33 (twelve years ago) link
some really unfamiliar names there. vera heindel (is this the dj known as vera?), binh, praslea, alexandra, tulbure, kozo, sonja moonear, laetitia katapult, priku, juniper.
I voted for prosumer. He's not the best technically but damn he's a great digger. Also feel that they should've been nominated: nina kraviz, todd terje, john osborn, prins thomas, serge, steffi, tama sumo.
― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Thursday, 19 April 2012 10:46 (twelve years ago) link
vera heindel is that vera...binh is resident at club der visionaere
prob put a few too many of the romanians in i forgot prins thomas (and move d), both should have been insteffi was nominated (tho her recent sets not been that great)
― coal, Thursday, 19 April 2012 11:30 (twelve years ago) link
I admit I've only seen Steffi in Youtube clips though, haha. She looks so cool and charismatic. Selections are ace, too.
― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Thursday, 19 April 2012 11:34 (twelve years ago) link
didn't really want to do this thread based too much on having actually seen play out as its not up to me how a person makes a choice if people want to base it on mix podcasts or whatever thats totally fine....but on the other hand...
― coal, Thursday, 19 April 2012 11:37 (twelve years ago) link
i dont vote in polls because they're kind of dumb but if i did, based on recent sets would prob go for either zip or any of the rpr soundsystem
― coal, Thursday, 19 April 2012 11:39 (twelve years ago) link
why is zip underrated? clips of him blew me away.
― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Thursday, 19 April 2012 11:44 (twelve years ago) link
Zip is like a DJs DJ. He's very very good but not in the premier league of crowd pulling DJs. He hasn't got the profile of Jamie Jones, Seth Troxler, Ricardo etc.. He doesn't exactly have a busy release schedule of his own music either which DJs do to get up the ladder.
― mmmm, Thursday, 19 April 2012 11:55 (twelve years ago) link
recommend me a good zip mix
― the late great, Thursday, 19 April 2012 15:56 (twelve years ago) link
lol i dunno any good zip mixes online like with most of these its more from hearing them out
― coal, Thursday, 19 April 2012 15:58 (twelve years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 00:01 (eleven years ago) link
out of these going to go with ricardo, had too many best nights ever seeing him. one time around 2003/4 he played mint club in leeds and the night went from people not really getting (into) it to applauding every new track. when the lights came on everyone was gushing over what they'd just heard and it was 7 in the morning and even though the drugs were wearing off the buzz from everyone around was enough to ward off a comedown. t'was a good night out dancing and i'm guessing ricardo made his name by doing nights like that and converting a room full of people to his sound
surgeon has been on fire recently, but that style of techno doesn't seem to get covered much on ILM. also ha, glad other people on ILM like intergalactic gary :D
i'd have a real tough time telling mixes by a lot of these people apart but out of that list i wouldn't mind popping out to see any of the following play
Daniel BellZipBen ufoTheo ParrishBen KlockProsumerRicardo VillalobosMarcel DettmannLawrenceRon TrentAnton ZapJus-edKerri Chandler
predictably ILMish cuz i guess that's where i heard about most of them in the first place
― Crackle Box, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 15:16 (eleven years ago) link
the night went from people not really getting (into) it to applauding every new trackdrugs
any correlation?
― fauxmarc, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 15:24 (eleven years ago) link
haha weird list. voted dettmann
― J0rdan, Diddy (tpp), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 15:30 (eleven years ago) link
Exclusion of both Dozzy and Move D a bit of a clanger so I'll go with the lovely Steffi.
― millmeister, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 20:44 (eleven years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Thursday, 26 April 2012 00:01 (eleven years ago) link
ben ufo was robbed
― the late great, Thursday, 26 April 2012 00:14 (eleven years ago) link
maybe i don't listen to enough uk bass/whatever music to hear it, but what's so good about this ben ufo fella? saw him at corsica a few months ago, and eh, it was alright, nothing magical, just sounded like rinse usually sounds. i guess i'm not really a fan of that quick cut pre-programmed dj-ing style, it's a bit too invasive add for my tastes
theo is a treat, long long sets, super loud, loads of unreleased edits, shoddy mixing, heavy heavy heavy, full of surprises, he played some chris and cosey one time when i saw him!
― Crackle Box, Thursday, 26 April 2012 13:26 (eleven years ago) link
the one time i saw theo parrish he was EQ'ing everything in this really exaggerated way that was totally stupid, it seemed like he was making fun of the people he was playing for. people wanted to get into it but it sounded like total shit. it was at some event with a bunch of different DJs and it kind of sucked, so he might've just been annoyed with the whole thing.
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 26 April 2012 13:46 (eleven years ago) link
kinda surprised at theo winning - had partially wanted people to say when voting how many of these they'd seen play out in the last idk 2 years?
― coal, Thursday, 26 April 2012 14:01 (eleven years ago) link
Seen 10 play out in the last 2 or 3 years. Only 3 of them more than once. Voted Cassy over Zip in the end.
― mmmm, Thursday, 26 April 2012 14:09 (eleven years ago) link
i think seen 22 in that time frame - didn't vote though
― coal, Thursday, 26 April 2012 14:11 (eleven years ago) link
Was there a reason for your abstention? Do you have any preferences over the 22?
― mmmm, Thursday, 26 April 2012 14:23 (eleven years ago) link
never really got into listening to any of ufo, but now that i've looked around via this thread he's pretty great
i dunno, none of these insults about him + rinse really seem to apply here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qkXGWyteWA
also: villalobos, lol
― fauxmarc, Thursday, 26 April 2012 15:02 (eleven years ago) link
― mmmm, Thursday, 26 April 2012 15:23
i never vote in polls
― coal, Thursday, 26 April 2012 15:10 (eleven years ago) link
you just make them and force these poor people to pick from your arbitrary list you twisted fuck
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 26 April 2012 15:16 (eleven years ago) link
you know, i think the "you can only judge them if you've seen them live" thing is a canard
ime as much as there's sometimes something "special" about seeing a DJ live that you don't get from a recording, there's also a lot of subjective factors that can distract or interfere with your enjoyment - how the crowd is acting, whether you have a headache, how many drugs you took, etc.
is jeff mills a good DJ? yeah. i've heard a lot of jeff mills live sets that confirm that as well as videos and video streams from clubs and other settings. the one time i saw jeff mills i had an awful time. they gave him a 3 am slot, after a few hours of deeply underwhelming prog/electrohouse. the crowd was an odd mix of hollywood / santa monica douchebags & douchebitches as well as a big contingent of extremely cracked-out looking vietnamese and korean people in their late 30s and 40s. the sound was off, the space was uncomfortable and had a boomy room echo, many people were jostling to take cellphone photos, mills was pissed because the decks were a millimetre off from where he wanted them (and he had them replace all three needles as well as his headphones) and trying to dance while sober to his music after three hours of dancing to west coast tribal deep house in a different room was punishing, to say the least
― the late great, Thursday, 26 April 2012 15:31 (eleven years ago) link
i've never seen ben ufo live, because i don't think he's ever done a show in america. i've seen him "live" on upstream videocasts and listened to many livesets and podcasts on the internet. he DJs in a way that's technically impressive and that pushes the boundaries of my thinking about dance music. theo parrish has done the same, and even though i find theo's thing is a little more tiring and a little less impressive, he's managed to do the same.
― the late great, Thursday, 26 April 2012 15:33 (eleven years ago) link
yep - is why i didn't explicitly say about having seen them - really it was more about who you would like to see this weekend - wherever you might live or go would have a bearing on the outcome
also, the outcome doesn't matter
― coal, Thursday, 26 April 2012 15:34 (eleven years ago) link
show me one of these boundry pushing ben ufo mixes, i'm really up for being converted, especially now the sun's coming out. and i wasn't dissing rinse or ufo upthread? just isn't too much to my tastes atm. i haven't heard anything from him that's jumped out and made me go woah and the times i've seen him i've been underwhelmed.
on that youtube upthead he cuts tracks out all over the place, sends a text, people are just standing around gawping at him. it's clinical and controlled and little bit boring, i'd find it hard to lose my shit and get into the music if i was there and that's his job, to aid that whole process
interesting about seeing djs live vs just listening to mixes. i'll judge a dj on where they play and with who they play, on what soundsystem as much as what they play and how they play it. also rarely get the time to listen to a 3hr dj mix so i tend to judge people mostly on seeing them out.
― Crackle Box, Thursday, 26 April 2012 16:18 (eleven years ago) link
i mean he may not just be to your taste, i really like all of the boiler room mixes, podcasts, rinse mix CDs, etc. but i know some ilxors whose taste i respect don't find him nearly as impressive as i do (tim finney comes to mind) ... as far as people standing around gawping isn't that like the front row of every "big dj" set ever?
― the late great, Thursday, 26 April 2012 16:24 (eleven years ago) link
ben (like zip actually) is pretty adaptable to different scenario's imo and can take in whatever direction
― coal, Thursday, 26 April 2012 16:26 (eleven years ago) link
I like the UFO, he's a great digger who also picks up on some big tunes early on and he usuually keeps the transitions interesting - that clip up there seems like a typical after-party-style eclectic set though. There was a great UFO/Jackmaster B2B on Rinse a few months ago, but again it's a radio show rather than a club set.
Here's the link, but I think it's drop offline: http://podcast.dgen.net/rinsefm/podcast/BenUFO160212.mp3
― Chewshabadoo, Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:09 (eleven years ago) link
I can stick it up somewhere in case anyone's interested.
sure
― mr. jane goodall (toandos), Thursday, 26 April 2012 17:13 (eleven years ago) link
Actually I really like Ben UFO, vahid, I just thought the Rinse mix was just okay.
My favourite Ben UFO sets I've heard were from 2008/2009, which may reflect the fact that this was when his style seemed most new and exciting.
When I get home I'll see which ones I like most and maybe even upload them.
I doubt the problem is that he's gotten worse since then - maybe he's even gotten better - but his style has since become one vein of post-dubstep orthodoxy, which makes it a lot harder for it to strike me as exciting (in the same way that nu-deep post-minimal DJ sets became radically less exciting circa 2008 even though there wasn't necessarily any drop in quality from the best DJs).
― Tim F, Thursday, 26 April 2012 23:23 (eleven years ago) link
Ah yeah that's right, Ben UFO Hessle Audio Fabric Takeover mix (from 2009) is the one:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/n4xhiq
I'd concede his style has gotten more wide-ranging since then (here's it kind of consistently a technoid broken beat) but I just love basically every tune on this (and props for including Aphrodisiax's "Unfinished Business"!).
― Tim F, Friday, 27 April 2012 23:19 (eleven years ago) link
have you heard the pearson sound mix from the same night? so great!
― the late great, Saturday, 28 April 2012 00:05 (eleven years ago) link
oh wait i see it's fabric, not boiler room, forget it
I've decided that Hessle Audio Fabric Takeovers are one of the few reasons life is worth living.
― EDB, Saturday, 28 April 2012 00:12 (eleven years ago) link
Ricardo Villalobos turns up at gigs in a canoe
― hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Saturday, 28 April 2012 06:47 (eleven years ago) link
Does Theo's heavy EQ-ing really work in live settings? Because from some video clips and recorded sets I sometimes feel it is a bit excessive and disrupts my enjoyment of the tracks.
― dan138zig (Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 12:12 (eleven years ago) link