t/s: hessle audio vs hemlock vs hotflush vs hyperdub

Lex what have you heard about an actual potential jungle revival?

very little concrete, it's just one of those things you realise you've been seeing out of the corner of your eye for a while. more people talking about it, the t.williams fact mix devolved into jungle in its last quarter...and it's probably the right "time" for it too. i'll be glad if it turns out to be abortive! this led to people tweeting even more jungle tunes at me in a bid to win me over and they were all kinda bad.

i've been thinking to myself recently "breaks are back, huh?" (a bit more generally than dnb in partic)

re dnb in partic, total freedom played this (from 2002, years in the wilderness) at the fade to mind party i went to and it got a huge reaction. obv that's connected to its whitney-ness, but it still felt like the exact right moment and this is like my favorite old track i've discovered this year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZnXyXoSMwU

ben's a great dj and that was a good interview

don't really like jackmaster's style too much

haven't heard anything about a jungle revival but have def heard quite a bit of double 99/r.i.p productions out

^^^^ yeah I'd expect a speed garage revival before anything else.

I would love a speed garage revival. Stuff like that Mosca single points to this happening surely?

the low-profile drum'n'bass has been keeping these last few years could well mean there's a gap in the market for a jungle revival. That Mosca Bax EP is full on garage.

xpost yes, and people acting like "Bax" is the second coming. Which I'm not narky about, but it's indicative, I think.

very little concrete, it's just one of those things you realise you've been seeing out of the corner of your eye for a while. more people talking about it, the t.williams fact mix devolved into jungle in its last quarter...

My suspicion is that 90s jungle has become the UK equivalent of detroit techno - many people will pay lip service to it but it's more one of those "we trace our lineage from this" influences that will perennially seem relevant around the edges, rather than something that will be subject to full-blown revival (and certainly not populist revival).

I straight up love Danny Native aka Altered Natives unconditionally. He doesn't really fit into the labels that are the subject of this thread but he seems to roll with some of the same crowd and his stuff seems to fit into a harcore tradition (dare I say.... "continuum"?) that isn't jungle but has some of the same punishing aspect, obsession with samples and cut up drum loops. And it's just ridiculously satisfying to listen to very very loud.

But to answer the question, Funkystepz are on Hyperdub so....

many people will pay lip service to it but it's more one of those "we trace our lineage from this" influences that will perennially seem relevant around the edges, rather than something that will be subject to full-blown revival (and certainly not populist revival).

i agree with this, i think we were talking about it in the dance partisans thread recently

the musical vocabulary of drum and bass is pretty exhausted ... i think it would be hard to do something "new" that still scans as drum and bass.

the last big innovation in drum and bass was what, leaving out every other drum hit while keeping pretty much everything else the same? what's next?

More evidence of a speed garage revival:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuGOiohEVcU

do plan to continue this thread w/ a release-by-release breakdown and comparison of hessle and hemlock tracks

what i am finding is that hemlock seems more influenced by older d&b and techno while hessle seems more hip to contemporary trends

^Have always felt Hessle stuff took some influence from German minimal type stuff, Perlon and that kind of thing. I'm far from an expert on that kind of music though so it may be a screwy comparison.

I think my love of the first 6 or so Hessle 12s was based on the fact that they were like a dubstep equivalent of that sound.

Tim do you mean here that you've not liked the subsequent Hessle releases or just that you've liked them based on different reasons?
Just asking 'cause to me one of Hessle's strengths is that they've never really gone through a phase where I've felt like they've fallen off. Like the latest 12 from Objekt, don't think it's ever going to be one of my personal favorites on the label but it's still solid enough.

I meant more that for that period I was kinda excited about what felt at the time like a new development, and pretty much precisely the direction I'd been wanting dubstep to go in - this was before post-dubstep both coalesced into something distinct from its ancestry and turned into the multi-fangled many-tentacled thing it is today.

My favourite Hessle release probably would be (surprise surprise) "Wad" (give or take "Blimey") but that's on a different tip obv.

objekt's "cactus" is def a new personal favorite for me

"Wad" is so good

"Wad" is dope, but my fave = "Fuk Tha 101"

I think this mix was the highpoint of my love of the early Hessle (and etc.) sound:

http://www.dubstepforum.com/studio-mix-d-r-e-a-m-vol-1-dowee-t42706.html

hek001, untold's "yukon / walk through walls" is a great photek / source direct imitation

except with

get this

A TWISTED R&B VOCAL SAMPLE

b-side is more hidden agenda i guess

with some thievery corporation overtones

If we're talking fave releases then my top 5 for Hessle would be something like -
TRG - Broken Heart (Martyn remix)
Pearson Sound - Wad
Peverelist - Dance Til The Police Come
Joe - Claptrap
Joe - Rut

I meant more that for that period I was kinda excited about what felt at the time like a new development, and pretty much precisely the direction I'd been wanting dubstep to go in - this was before post-dubstep both coalesced into something distinct from its ancestry and turned into the multi-fangled many-tentacled thing it is today.

OK I get you, yeah it did seem like a really fresh direction when those tunes were first coming through.

So, the Laurel Halo album is to come out on Hyperdub eh?

Hyperdub ‏ @Hyperdub
HDBCD014 Laurel Halo - 'Quarantine' Her debut album, released in May on Hyperdub.

how about that loefah interview in resident advisor?

So that Laurel Halo album is gonna be the best album of the year, right?

Is it able to be listened to anywhere?

is it? i don't know much about her, but i remember the couple tracks i've heard feeling a little too dense and busy.

i liked her ep last year. haven't heard anything from her album tho.

<3 that loefah interview and especially love his swamp81 tumblr

So that Laurel Halo album is gonna be the best album of the year, right?

Here's hoping!

I still haven't found any tracks off her 'Spring' EP that was supposed to be out a couple of days ago on Liberation Technologies under the name King Felix. Could maybe use a Laurel Halo thread tbh.

I didn't know there's a swamp81 tumblr! checking that out asap

i've enjoyed some of the boddika stuff i've heard on swamp 81

HEK002 a-side is called "discipline"

this immediately made me think of throbbing gristle. it doesn't really sound like throbbing gristle per se, but it does have a throbbing 23 skidoo-ish death-funk grind at the beginning and builds to a couple of screaming climaxes with all the intensity of my favorite postpunk tracks.

its like a mix of post-dubstep and PiL or something

amazing track

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DodCDN6m9ZY

i think it sounds like late sabres of paradise or early two lone swordsmen

good pick, and i would agree. i was enjoying it for the chilling beginning and then once it settles into a groove it's really infectious

Can I just say that Fhloston Paradigm is pretty much the best name ever!

Am I willing to stomach fabric for another hessle audio night with insane lineup?

new Elgato is really good - fav hessle release

anyone heard Untold's newest on Hemlock? i'm not super familiar with most of this stuff, but i really dig it

So what's been the best stuff on these labels this year? The whole Change In A Dynamic Environment series from Untold is flat-out amazing, anything else around as good as that?

LV album (for FUN)
new Sigha album (for getting your face sanded off)

there have been some great Funkystepz things as well but I lose track of their titles tbh

New Pangaea 2xEP is really great. From earlier in the year, the Objekt 12" on Hessle is a monster, and the Bandshell & Elgato 12s are excellent, too, although the latter works best on a really good system - I bought the record but it didn't click until I heard it in a club. Rinse shows are consistently great.

(I'm a Hessle Stan, think they along with like LIES, Livity Sound, Pan and maybe Sex Tags are definite "Buy on sight" labels)

I really love Laurel Halo's album on Hyperdub - probably my favourite LP this year, and the Hyper Williams and Cooly G albums are also good. The Terror Danjah EP is pretty nice, too.

Joe's 12 on Hemlock is great.

Hotflush's releases the last 1-2 years have bored me, though I do like Sigha so I'm kind of looking forward to the album.