t/s: hessle audio vs hemlock vs hotflush vs hyperdub

who best defines INTELLIGENT BASS?

(honorable mentions to tectonic, apple pips, etc)

I like Hessle Audio the best because they seem much more interested in drums than bass.

Hessle Audio by quite a margin in terms of consistency I think, though Hemlock do release some great ones too.

Weird how this stuff sits in the context of other uk music.

I find Hessle stuff a bit too minimal tbh. Yes, lots of drums, not much int he way of basslines, and that's okay but I think I've been more excited by Hyperdub. Not sure how familiar I am with the other two.

I definitely think Hotflush has gotten better the further it's moved away from "dubstep" towards house and techno. The Back & 4th compilation is highly recommendable.

Who runs Hemlock? I tend to associate the other three with the artists that run them.

Write-in vote for Punch Drunk btw.

Untold is the guy behind Hemlock

Which is funny because Untold's best track ("Anaconda") was on a Hessle Audio single.

Ah right, never really listened to that guy's stuff.

you should, untold is the best

i feel like hotflush hasn't come out with anything very interesting since mount kimbie. i like some sepalcure tracks i guess. hyperdub is still killing it.

my favourite untold track is by far "cool story bro"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1Ivek0hqfE

hyperdub may have done both my most and least favourite things out of all these labels

Hessle & Hyperdub are my favourites out of that lot. Hemlock have some killer stuff but don't release too much and when they do there is a risk of Breton lol. Hotflush can be hit'n'miss but when they hit they're quality. I'd put Punch Drunk & Swamp 81 up there with Hessle & Hyperdub. Keysound have been upping the game a lot over the last few years too. Non Plus+ really hit the spot when they go wierdo house/electro. Planet Mu often nail it, love the LPs and comps recently. No comment on the inteligent bass tag haha.

hyperdub may have done both my most and least favourite things out of all these labels

I can't disagree with this at all.

I can't not disagree either

i'm guessing that lex is talking about cooly g & ikonika vs burial?

and when they do there is a risk of Breton lol

ha i am so far from having any idea what this means

You prob don't want to know its all a bit indie disco '06

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYuxZ2otU8s

ah i see

i figure untold is the best producer out of this group by a fair margin so i think i'm going to try to make an argument for hemlock

also don't forget about the SSSSS sublabel

re: breton_ (don't sleep on the underscore) at least we got "RDI (girl unit remix)" out of it

Hyperdub have done the most things I really like (albums as well as singles) but Hessle Audio seem really consistent. Not familiar with the earlier Hotflush stuff - is that Space & Time comp worth getting?

I like Hemlock enough just not Breton, couldn't really get into the Girl Unit remix either. Hemlock is solid as hell otherwise.

How about Numbers and Night Slugs? When they're on form... fuck. Both have lows mind... L-Vis is so bad its unreal as a producer but it doesn't seem to effect the labels output much apart from when he drops a 12" which isn't often thankfuly. Numbers, I dunno sometimes they're missing something other times they kill it.

they're not really doing "intelligent bass" though are they?

I don't think any of these people are...

well you know what i mean. They're not as "serious" at the others i guess

which is why they're better

I mean the distance from the colourful synth heavy Hyperdub stuff aint far away from loads of Night Slugs releases and the Night Slugs drums aint far off Hessle. So I don't think you can say Night Slugs/Numbers are much diffrent from that pack whatever you wanna label it as.

NS and numbers are rarely as DRY as these labels can be

I definitely like Night Slugs better than any of these. Though they've slowed up recently

i didn't add night slugs, numbers, butterz, well rounded, ramp, pattern, 3024 etc because they seem more rooted in grime & funky than in dubstep, whereas hemlock, hessle, etc are strongly rooted in proper dubstep and drum and bass (untold was a drum and bass engineer)

grime, funky & ukg i should say

personally i think the night slugs stuff sounds much, much different from hessle & hemlock. i get your point with hyperdub, i just threw it in there because i liked the H

lex is right, the hessle & hemlock stuff *is* more dry and that's what makes it better than night slugs, etc

Dry is absolutely the word to describe Hessle. That Blawan track "Getting Me Down" kills everything else he's ever done because the vocal sample injects a bit of fun into it. I'd vote Night Slugs in a heartbeat over any of these, and yeah they count - I'd mix NS stuff in with Hyperdub etc...

ugh I hate fun, even the word you use ("injection") makes it sound nasty

oh here you go, here's yr prescribed "fun", better smile like you love r&b or we'll take yr dissensus account away

i hate fun as well, "getting me down" is deadly serious and all the better for it but it's not dry either

if you don't love r&b i don't know wtf went wrong with your life really

like anyone on dissensus knows shit about r&b though

for every NS release that bangs (thinking of the immense bok bok "southside" release) there's some garbage like mosca or velour lurking

velour is one of their best releases!!!!! i could listen to "she wore velour" forever

in fact i think i might put that ep second only behind wut in their catalogue

well we've already established we have different tastes so ...

you can only listen to that track forever cause its so deathly boring you wouldn't know the difference

"Dance fans who hate fun". Uh huh, okay.

Also Mosca and Velour are responsible for some of my favourite tracks in recent years (although that recent "boring house" EP Mosca released recently is the epitome of "dry/not fun".

fuck fun, i want something simultaneously steely and thought-provoking, like reinforced to night slugs' talkin' loud

more fun to go around for everyone else then I guess...

"she wore velour" is like if somebody tried to remake "discopolis" or "stars" (mr fingers) on a playstation

in a bad way

oh hello perfect immortal song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FkVaoe_BSE

pardon my while i poop out some nasty cheap synth diarrhea and an awful "swung" beat all over you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CWNL06R7z0

the synth trombone at 1:35 is particularly ... musical

i mean, to be fair, on balance it's not *that* bad but it's just a standard 2010 "future garage" beat + some bloopy synths over a mr fingers sample

i like my fun like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDb-9bNRW_Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGoQ5oWaA0M

well when you put it that way, i agree

how about that loefah interview in resident advisor?

So that Laurel Halo album is gonna be the best album of the year, right?

Is it able to be listened to anywhere?

is it? i don't know much about her, but i remember the couple tracks i've heard feeling a little too dense and busy.

i liked her ep last year. haven't heard anything from her album tho.

<3 that loefah interview and especially love his swamp81 tumblr

So that Laurel Halo album is gonna be the best album of the year, right?

Here's hoping!

I still haven't found any tracks off her 'Spring' EP that was supposed to be out a couple of days ago on Liberation Technologies under the name King Felix. Could maybe use a Laurel Halo thread tbh.

I didn't know there's a swamp81 tumblr! checking that out asap

i've enjoyed some of the boddika stuff i've heard on swamp 81

HEK002 a-side is called "discipline"

this immediately made me think of throbbing gristle. it doesn't really sound like throbbing gristle per se, but it does have a throbbing 23 skidoo-ish death-funk grind at the beginning and builds to a couple of screaming climaxes with all the intensity of my favorite postpunk tracks.

its like a mix of post-dubstep and PiL or something

amazing track

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DodCDN6m9ZY

i think it sounds like late sabres of paradise or early two lone swordsmen

good pick, and i would agree. i was enjoying it for the chilling beginning and then once it settles into a groove it's really infectious

Can I just say that Fhloston Paradigm is pretty much the best name ever!

Am I willing to stomach fabric for another hessle audio night with insane lineup?

new Elgato is really good - fav hessle release

anyone heard Untold's newest on Hemlock? i'm not super familiar with most of this stuff, but i really dig it

So what's been the best stuff on these labels this year? The whole Change In A Dynamic Environment series from Untold is flat-out amazing, anything else around as good as that?

LV album (for FUN)
new Sigha album (for getting your face sanded off)

there have been some great Funkystepz things as well but I lose track of their titles tbh

New Pangaea 2xEP is really great. From earlier in the year, the Objekt 12" on Hessle is a monster, and the Bandshell & Elgato 12s are excellent, too, although the latter works best on a really good system - I bought the record but it didn't click until I heard it in a club. Rinse shows are consistently great.

(I'm a Hessle Stan, think they along with like LIES, Livity Sound, Pan and maybe Sex Tags are definite "Buy on sight" labels)

I really love Laurel Halo's album on Hyperdub - probably my favourite LP this year, and the Hyper Williams and Cooly G albums are also good. The Terror Danjah EP is pretty nice, too.

Joe's 12 on Hemlock is great.

Hotflush's releases the last 1-2 years have bored me, though I do like Sigha so I'm kind of looking forward to the album.

thought i would check out the new pangaea 12" after reading the jukebox piece on him in wire but i find viaduct weirdly half breaksy/half hard brainy-ish techno. i loved elgatos zone and pearson sounds clutch but i wished i liked this new post-uk bass techno more than i actually do. i know some people think theres a 'more brixton than berghain' angle to it but im not really seeing it (whether it actually needs to have a uk angle is another matter - why are we so obsessed with this?) unless were talking night slugs maybe. then again the flipside of that would be some of the recent keysound releases, which while i do quite like in principle, sound like theyre trying a bit too hard to sound like a uk/london thing.

It's a shame about the direction Untold's gone in. He used to be one of the best post-dubstep guys but now he's just another techno producer

Scuba used to be good too.

Hyperdub used to be buy on sight but I've not bought anything from them since the last Burial release

Hessle Audio are still very good but Pangaea has fallen off a bit. Last couple of releases from him haven't been up to much. Pearson Sound's last 12" on is own lable was quality

i gotta admit these labels bore me a bit these days

http://boomkat.com/downloads/886609-pangaea-fabriclive-73-pangaea

this is surprisingly... normal sounding.

yeah, disappointing

that new hyperdub 10.3 comp where everyone on the label turns in an ambient piece ('a soundtrack to a film never made' etc etc) might have been good, but it just seems so self aware and a bit silly really. the good thing about hyperdub is/was that they sound like they COULD be on a soundtrack (and they actually were on children of men, well kode 9 at least), but actually DOING that seems to ruin the idea. i need to hear it a few more times, and there are some good/interesting pieces on here, but i think most of these producers work better with/should stick to beats. i also wish hyperdub did more EPs than albums.

where everyone on the label turns in an ambient piece

Sounds like the old Metalheadz box set comp. Self-awareness as a criticism just feels like trying to stop people breaking out of their pigeonholes tho. Everybody said the same about DnB artists moving off DnB beats. Cobblers then cobblers now :)

not sure anyone on hyperdub (or any of these labels) is in a pigeonhole to be honest. not like its 2006 and its still thought of as a dubstep label...

Yeah, just picked up 10.3 and I'm absolutely loving it. Not sure what the criticisms are talking about (ILM is not the only place I've seen opinions about it being too whatever-ish).

I really liked the hyperdub 10.4 set

Also picked up that one, but have not played it yet.

heh, i like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsAhvNSyiyQ

in lieu of a Hyperdub 15 physical release it looks like we're getting a digital release/adult swim collaboration

HyperSwim is a 19 track digital-only compilation which will be streaming in its entirety this Friday, November 22nd, on @adultswim, then will be available on all digital platforms from Saturday November 23rd. pic.twitter.com/Bp5GnXjoAw

— Hyperdub (@Hyperdub) November 18, 2019

Is VERSION part of this axis? Them, if so.

Whities >>>>

Hyperdub has released some truly woeful music in the past five years, a roster of utter mediocrity coasting along on residual critical acclaim

yeah whities.

although I probably only enjoy about 1/3rd of it, I dare say the rest is still good, just not for me.

loraine james album on hyperdub is beautiful imo

xxxp harsh but fair

Hessle Audio still killing it though. Best UK dance music label since the glory days of dubstep for me.

Hessle Audio haven't released a single record in 2019.

Whities for the win.

Overmono's "iii's Front" on Whities was maybe my favourite club record of 2018.

my (maybe) fave of 2019 is also by Overmono. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvpyQQjahL8

Hyperdub is having a renaissance imo, they're doing what they should be doing signing the younger generation (Loraine James, DJ Haram, Nazar, Proc Fiskal)

DJ Haram record is VG++

Overmono's "iii's Front" on Whities was maybe my favourite club record of 2018.

Killer tune. Sick breaks. What more could you want...

Hyperdub is having a renaissance imo, they're doing what they should be doing signing the younger generation (Loraine James, DJ Haram, Nazar, Proc Fiskal)

They're not quite at the same level of quality as they used to be in the first ~5 years (you could probably easily argue first ~10 years even), but there's some good stuff as of late. The old guard (Kode9, Burial) aren't too interesting these days as much as I hate to say it, but I do love a lot of the new UK signees especially Haram and Proc as well as the Teklife producers.

http://www.adultswim.com/music/hyper-swim/

Burial has a synth now.

But for real, lotssss of good tracks on here so far.

I agree! It's good to see the old guard still going strong ie Ikonika, Cooly G, Scratcha and of course Burial

INTELLIGENT BASS

Ergh :(

I really don't get Proc Fiskal, at all. The Loraine James album is actually really good though, thanks to this thread for encouraging me to finally get around to it

proc fiskal is a funny name at least