I'm always rapping "I don't give a cottonpickin' fuck about a brother tryin' to size a nigga up/I hold my oowwwwn" after that line.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 July 2015 21:19 (eight years ago) link
i talked about this before upthread i think but it's such a romantic line to me that he's asking his lover to pick a star in the sky to say goodbye to bc they both got up to watch the sunrise and the stars are slowly giving way to the peach color sky
― 龜, Monday, 6 July 2015 21:21 (eight years ago) link
they also need coffee because, uh, they both stayed up all night fucking each other
― 龜, Monday, 6 July 2015 21:22 (eight years ago) link
no they didn't! gunplay turns into pillow talk pillow talk turns into sweet dreams
― lex pretend, Monday, 6 July 2015 21:28 (eight years ago) link
tru :)
― 龜, Monday, 6 July 2015 21:30 (eight years ago) link
and he's having coffee on his own right? she's still asleep and he doesn't want to wake her up. it's a moment of contemplation and clarity about the night before
― lex pretend, Monday, 6 July 2015 21:31 (eight years ago) link
I got the impression that he's alone or in the other room or wahtever. The song works because it summons the anticipation of a possible fuck and evokes the bliss state of the next morning. Not many songs do both.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 July 2015 21:34 (eight years ago) link
Remember the explicit version, you guys
― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Monday, 6 July 2015 21:35 (eight years ago) link
yeah the best thing about that song and miguel in general - and what the remix got so disastrously wrong - is that he gets why fucking is amazing, and also why the non-fucking bits of the night or the relationship are amazing as well
― lex pretend, Monday, 6 July 2015 21:35 (eight years ago) link
Since when is "We talk street art and sarcasm/ crass humor and high fashion/ bubble bath, truth or dare/ and would you rather / a cold flame, the thrill of no shame/ drugs, sex, and polaroids" a good lyric? These people are scum.
― longneck, Monday, 6 July 2015 21:48 (eight years ago) link
...
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 6 July 2015 22:03 (eight years ago) link
bubble baths reduce or prevent scum iirc
― r|t|c, Monday, 6 July 2015 22:06 (eight years ago) link
that's a great lyric u philistine
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Monday, 6 July 2015 22:49 (eight years ago) link
this is how conversations that may lead to sex usually go?
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 July 2015 22:54 (eight years ago) link
only skimmed through this new album so could be totally wrong of course but as with the last album, miguel is one of my favourite singers of anyone right now, but lyric-wise, he is often just ridiculous/moronic/vacuous/just plain nonsensical and confused. that pitchfork interview also left me no wiser. i cant tell if he occasionally likes to make himself sound more bro-like than he actually is, or maybe he really just is, which is maybe worse (its also just an awkward fit with his free spirit sort of image). but what a singer. might be alone in this but the way he projects his voice makes me think of jeff buckley a lot (use me from the last album was also very jeff buckley to me).
― StillAdvance, Monday, 6 July 2015 22:59 (eight years ago) link
http://thedailyloud.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/gunplay3.jpghttp://https%3A//whatson.bfi.org.uk/ArticleMedia/Images/WhatsOn%20images/December%202012/Doris%20Day/pillow_talk_01.jpghttp://www.drfunkenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/eurythmics.jpghttp://www.aliceinnappyland.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/pam-grier.jpg
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 6 July 2015 23:02 (eight years ago) link
ah well, insert this between gunplay and annie:http://40.media.tumblr.com/a535d8efa524d62e56f153bb55c260bd/tumblr_mroohav7Is1ro21o5o1_500.jpg
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 6 July 2015 23:03 (eight years ago) link
are "Adorn," "Arch n Point," "what's normal anyway," "face the sun," and "Sure Thing" moronic?
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 July 2015 23:04 (eight years ago) link
I don't mind nonsensical! Sex is nonsensical.
fyi i think the album version of coffee has 'fucking in the morning' in the last 30 second outro
also i think the version of the coffee single i bought is no longer on itunes?? lol (it's clean and also doesn't have wale)
― 龜, Monday, 6 July 2015 23:18 (eight years ago) link
thrilled that i apparently have a #rare #coffee
― 龜, Monday, 6 July 2015 23:21 (eight years ago) link
#beautiful!
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 July 2015 23:21 (eight years ago) link
you're right. I wondered why that was marked as Explicit
― rob, Monday, 6 July 2015 23:22 (eight years ago) link
actually there's a clean version of wildheart up on itunes too so you can probably just get it that way
― 龜, Monday, 6 July 2015 23:26 (eight years ago) link
might be alone in this but the way he projects his voice makes me think of jeff buckley a lot (use me from the last album was also very jeff buckley to me).
i immediately compared "flesh" to jeff buckley
i like his lyrics generally though. his bro-like aspects are v californian, but they're more place than personality, and/or the two are inextricable
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 03:00 (eight years ago) link
anyway he often gets very precise details of dating/relationships/sex completely right in a kind of earnest dorky and charming way, this is everything i like about miguel
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 03:01 (eight years ago) link
^^^
― List of people who are ready for woe and how we know this (seandalai), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 08:22 (eight years ago) link
is miguel going to be like the male fka twigs? 'he gets sex EXACTLY right'
― StillAdvance, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 09:19 (eight years ago) link
My only problem with that first verse of "Coffee" is it feels like a retread of "Do You" ("rock paper scissors WAIT best out of three" etc).
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 01:58 (eight years ago) link
yeah it always totally reminded me of that too. i like both a lot tho.
― some dude, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 02:44 (eight years ago) link
I have just learned from twitter that there are a lot of people who have it in for Miguel and I'm just like
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGTUOlXU8AA8iQp.jpg
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 05:58 (eight years ago) link
lol rad times indeed
https://twitter.com/Miguel/status/618555102714970112
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 06:28 (eight years ago) link
The only lyrical thing that bums me out on the album is Kurupt's verse on NWA, because he makes 'hyenas' sound like 'anus' twice, and um Lee Iacocca
― Your Ribs are My Ladder, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 09:32 (eight years ago) link
ha, I just figured out what the guitar on "goingtohell" reminds me of: "Sara Smile"
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 09:54 (eight years ago) link
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yeah my TL has not been as awash in miguel praise/thirst as i would have thought
― 龜, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 11:38 (eight years ago) link
he's not as good as Frank Ocean, c'mon
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 11:42 (eight years ago) link
I didn't know Frank Ocean had stans like that
― Hikikomori Povich (tsrobodo), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 12:18 (eight years ago) link
you have no idea
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 13:06 (eight years ago) link
Channel Orange sold about twice as much as Kaleidoscope Dream. Miguel is on the radio more but Frank has more diehards.
― some dude, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 13:44 (eight years ago) link
and a percentage of those Ocean fans revere him because he's admitted to same sex feelings thus is a hero and different from other R&B artists.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 13:50 (eight years ago) link
It's such a boring and arbitrary "feud" since I wouldn't even imagine either of them occupying the same lane musically. It's like comparing Trey Songz to The Weeknd.
― Greer, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 14:10 (eight years ago) link
this feud is infuriatingly reductive and everyone blaming miguel for stoking it should have an issue with the reporter who asked the question in the first place
― maura, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 15:11 (eight years ago) link
(also i find frank ocean's thing pretty snoozy tbh.)
but like why does the media have to set up a FITE between two artists of color who are defying boundaries? it's almost as if their minds are B L O W N by the idea that two non-cishet white bros can balance artistic and commercial success without canceling each other out!
(also as meaghan garvey pointed out this whole thing leaves out dawn richard, who is also on their level, but maybe these unimaginative writers can only engage in one othering act at a time)
― maura, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 15:19 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, way too many outlets reporting on this feud whose R&B music coverage is otherwise lacking or nonexistent.
― Greer, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 15:29 (eight years ago) link
i am glad my reading doesn't take me to any place where such a "feud" is happening
dawn put out a better album than either of these guys tbh
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 16:32 (eight years ago) link
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu)
yeah
Well, and once again, it doesn't occur to critics that they can compare male artists to female ones.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 July 2015 16:34 (eight years ago) link
Despite numerous efforts and liking a few songs on various EPs of hers, I still find Dawn largely impenetrable, but agree with the sentiment that there's plenty of other interesting things going on in the genre that don't get talked about whole folks bicker back and forth about Miguel versus Frank.
― Greer, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 16:41 (eight years ago) link
But maybe this is all more suited to the general R&B thread.
― Greer, Wednesday, 8 July 2015 16:42 (eight years ago) link
after "what's normal anyway" this album is perfect
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 8 July 2015 17:05 (eight years ago) link