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because this dude has outgrown the R&B thread

bron paul (k3vin k.), Sunday, 4 March 2012 07:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

new ep is fantastic. 'adorn' and 'gravity' are immediately brilliant but 'that i do' has also really grown on me. i only really remember loving 'sure thing' and 'all i want is you' from the album last year but this has made me wanna relisten.

bass, Sunday, 4 March 2012 11:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

I've come to the opinion that "Quickie" is the best single from the debut

marissa explains it all (The Reverend), Sunday, 4 March 2012 12:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah i love the new EP, this after "all i want is you" and "sure thing" were basically my favorite r&b songs of the past 2 years. he's making a case for replacing jeremih as my facvorite male r&b singer

bron paul (k3vin k.), Sunday, 4 March 2012 17:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

how big is this dude now I have no sense of scale for pop music anymore

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 4 March 2012 17:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

genuinely like what I've heard of his

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 4 March 2012 17:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Adorn" is the best song I've heard this year. Thanks Rev!

EZ Snappin, Sunday, 4 March 2012 17:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

how big is this dude now I have no sense of scale for pop music anymore

― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, March 4, 2012 12:46 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark

"sure thing" was the #1 song on u.s. urban radio last year and his song w/ wale brings his total of big r&b hits to 4, but he hasn't crossed over to pop audiences at all, even to the moderate extent of trey songz or whoever

some dude, Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

so sad that adorn is only 2:19 long

flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

i guess he's in that weird robin thicke zone of 'non-black r&b singer whose fanbase is predominantly black'

some dude, Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

Miguel Jontel Pimentel was born in Los Angeles.[1][2] He is one of two sons born to a Mexican father and an African American mother.[2]

flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

oh word, i thought he was just full on hoos is mexican

some dude, Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

so sad that adorn is only 2:19 long

― flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, March 4, 2012 10:21 AM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is prob the best part about it!

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

like it ends and I'm all "what a good song that was"

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

what a good post that was

flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

I grew up w/ indian parents who only listened to indian music but since I grew up in new orleans they also listened to a lot of aaron neville and only nevilee (????) and I think there is something nevilleish abt this that I really appreciate

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

didn't mean to spell him wrong the second time

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

"that i do" is incredible

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Sunday, 4 March 2012 21:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

"gravity" is my favourite on the EP i think

"adorn" hasn't clicked with me yet, i think with these reedy-voiced guys like miguel and jeremih, i find myself either falling head over heels with songs where some alchemy makes them sound perfect ("sure thing", "birthday sex", "imma star") or i'm left a bit cold.

lex pretend, Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

the production doesn't grab you?

flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

i don't think anything on the EP touches "adorn" but that's the single of the year so far, so no biggie

J0rdan S., Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

it's nice? it might sneak up on me in time.

it's not the single of the year, it's not even the r&b single of the year lol

lex pretend, Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

*shrug*

J0rdan S., Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

yah "adorn" is my favorite song this year too i think. out of the 20 i've heard at least

bron paul (k3vin k.), Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

i don't think anything on the EP touches "adorn" but that's the single of the year so far, so no biggie

― J0rdan S., Sunday, March 4, 2012 6:24 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark

haven't heard it yet but aren't there only like 2 other songs on the EP? 'best of three' is kind of...anyway "Adorn" is nice but i have absolutely no idea how it's in any way different from or better than anything off the first album.

some dude, Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

i'm not saying that it is! just that it's the best song i've heard this year

J0rdan S., Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

"gravity" is really good too

al you don't see how "adorn" is stylistically different than like, "sure thing"?

bron paul (k3vin k.), Monday, 5 March 2012 00:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

you just gotta vibe to adorn, dude

flagp∞st (dayo), Monday, 5 March 2012 00:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

i vibe to it, but i also vibe to his whole album.

at this point he's only got a fairly small number of songs out that are all good to great and none too similar to each other. so "adorn" is unique but of a piece of that body of work just as "sure thing" is. its brevity is the only thing i see as any kind of departure.

some dude, Monday, 5 March 2012 01:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

I need to check out this ep. Thanks

curmudgeon, Monday, 5 March 2012 15:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

So I found this 2005 12-inch in a dollar bin a year and a half ago, and I bought it on the off chance it was the same Miguel. Turns out it was. The song is very much a product of its time.

Evan R, Monday, 5 March 2012 15:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

just went on Spotify to see if they had the new EP, they don't, but they do have a single he apparently released in 2011 called "Strawberry Amazing," which i had never heard anything about before, pretty good, very lo-fi Prince

something i noticed on the Art Dealer Chic liner notes -- Miguel self-produced the whole thing (except for one co-production from Fisticuffs, who did "Quickie" and "Girls Like You"). afaik Miguel didn't really do any of the production on the first album, so it looks like he's really stepping up and getting more involved in that side of things.

some dude, Monday, 5 March 2012 15:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Strawberry Amazing" was on his 2008's Mischief, too, and he co-produced that entire mixtape with Fisticuffs. That mixtape was super lo-fi; it sounds like he recorded it with a Casio and a boombox, but you can definitely hear a lot of echoes of the new EP in it.

Evan R, Monday, 5 March 2012 16:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

i don't really feel like the Jive album sanded off the edges of that aesthetic much at all, give or take a few of the more established producers' contributions

some dude, Monday, 5 March 2012 16:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I agree. When I first heard the Jive album, I was actually surprised by how low-budget it sounded at times, especially the Fisticuffs productions. Because it came out so quietly at the time (this was before "Sure Thing" had any legs) I was wondering if Jive had cut corners and were just trying to bury the album. It definitely took a few listens for some of the more muffled production to make sense.

Evan R, Monday, 5 March 2012 16:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

I kind of think of that hazy, reverbed vibe as the album's distinguishing characteristic. Gives it a very warm, intimate feel. Although a lot of that is down to Miguel himself, too.

marissa explains it all (The Reverend), Monday, 5 March 2012 17:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

like Strawberry Amazing but always hear a little Lenny Kravitz :/

bnw, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 04:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

i don't think anything on the EP touches "adorn" but that's the single of the year so far, so no biggie

― J0rdan S., Sunday, March 4, 2012 6:24 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark

'adorn' is great but the single of the year so far is obv 'climax'

flagp∞st (dayo), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 14:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Climax" hasn't really hit me yet. I'm an "Adorn" partisan.

marissa explains it all (The Reverend), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 00:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

'adorn' is great but the single of the year so far is obv 'climax'

wanna say "dayo otm", but i guess i got something to listen to when i get home

meticulously showcased in a stunning fart presentation (contenderizer), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 00:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

My ex is friends w his little brother lol. Apparently he sings too tho not professionally afaik

I like miguel. Sure thing was never my thing but he has a great voice and feels like a genuine original

D-40, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 01:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think EZsnappin nailed it on tumblr where he said "Adorn" sounds like early-80s Marvin. The greater trick though, is that he achieves that vibe without any air of tribute or homage.

marissa explains it all (The Reverend), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 05:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

ban dayo

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 7 March 2012 05:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

"adorn" is so killing me atm

meticulously showcased in a stunning fart presentation (contenderizer), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 05:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

i agree with dayo that "climax" is better than "adorn"

lex pretend, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 10:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Adorn" makes me think of Prince fwiw

D-40, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 11:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

it makes me think of Prince less than 80% of his material but he definitely wrote it in part because he couldn't write another song called "Adore"

some dude, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 11:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

nbd, just a cross between marvin gaye & prince

john-claude van donne (schlump), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 12:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

vol 2, tomorrow

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 00:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

my neighbors always know when I come home because I bump adorn 4 times

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 00:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

(i've never heard a smashing pumpkins song so don't @ me)

lex pretend, Thursday, 2 July 2015 09:28 (4 days ago) Permalink

Get ready for people who Don't Listen to R&B But Like Miguel to be louder this time

Okay, that's pretty much me right there, tbh. But this is much less appealing than Kaleidoscope Dream (a rare 2012 release I actually spent proper money on) after several listens. Plenty of these reflexive "Wait, couldn't this be more conspicuously R&B-ish please?" reactions.

Maximum big surprise! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Thursday, 2 July 2015 10:38 (4 days ago) Permalink

"Coffee" is the rare moment on an album suffused with dread. Even "chase the sun" makes love sound terrifying (which it is).

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 July 2015 11:10 (4 days ago) Permalink

chase = face obv

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 July 2015 11:11 (4 days ago) Permalink

yes. There are a lot of references to death, dying, the end, etc

droit au butt (Euler), Thursday, 2 July 2015 12:08 (4 days ago) Permalink

apparently the epigraph for the first video tie-in is 'find what you love and let it kill you,' which is the opening line of his chemical brothers collab

maura, Thursday, 2 July 2015 12:59 (4 days ago) Permalink

also vh1 soul is showing a miguel soul story that includes 'lotus flower bomb' and 'primetime' but leaves out '#beautiful'

maura, Thursday, 2 July 2015 13:02 (4 days ago) Permalink

Only now noticing that the hashtag is actually part of the song name. #observant

Hikikomori Povich (tsrobodo), Thursday, 2 July 2015 13:04 (4 days ago) Permalink

lex otm. also the "1979" connection enhances "leaves" imo lol

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Thursday, 2 July 2015 14:26 (4 days ago) Permalink

quickie is bad too, even sure thing isn't great

― for sale: baby shoes, never worn your ass (katherine), Thursday, July 2, 2015 1:22 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark

man "quickie" is so fucking good. he closed the npr show out with it and it sounded so nice.

J0rdan S., Thursday, 2 July 2015 15:06 (4 days ago) Permalink

as an ex maniac fan of smashing pumpkins, weirdly i appreciate this connection.

Nourry, Thursday, 2 July 2015 15:25 (4 days ago) Permalink

Yes to "Quickie" and "Sure thing"; and "1979" is one of the few Smashing Pumpkins songs I like

curmudgeon, Thursday, 2 July 2015 15:55 (4 days ago) Permalink

"Sure Thing" was so simple and brief that it blew me in 2011. I put it in my top ten. I can hear -- but not accept -- how it might sound underfed now.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 July 2015 16:29 (4 days ago) Permalink

blew me = I wish. Blew me away.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 July 2015 16:29 (4 days ago) Permalink

listening to this album imaging miguel under the influence of 90's alt rock is wigging me out

Heez, Thursday, 2 July 2015 17:19 (4 days ago) Permalink

is it migging you out

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 July 2015 17:56 (4 days ago) Permalink

god "...goingtohell" is the best

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Thursday, 2 July 2015 18:34 (4 days ago) Permalink

The songwriting on All I Want Is You is pretty underrated compared to KD but I feel like he just took this big jump forward as a singer (both his voice and his phrasing) between the first and second albums. I listened to Sure Thing again today and it's amazing, but when he sings "just put your pretty little hand in mine" he still has that pinched, slightly nasal thing you hear with lesser R&B singers. Fast forward to Adorn and he really SINGS those high notes, like his throat is wide open, his technique is way better.

Listened to the new one again and I think my main problem is just that A Beautiful Exit is a really disappointing opener compared to his first two albums. It's actually a good song but the production and arrangement choices kill it for me, virtually anything would accompany it better than that lumpen guitar hook. Also, I was all ready to laugh at the NIN comparison but actually the way he sings "I want to fuck like we're filming in the valley" is pure Reznor (a way sweeter Reznor, but there's something there definitely).

Kaleidoscope Dream really felt like Miggy exploring the space between Marvin and Stevie and late 60s/early 70s psych and modernising it in the process. The rock influences here are different, both feel like California albums, but it's like he's exploring the West Coast music of a decade or two later. Prince is ever-present in the background, but it's a different Prince (and Miguel very rarely actually sounds like Prince).

Matt DC, Thursday, 2 July 2015 19:45 (4 days ago) Permalink

This album is closer to Neil Young and Mamas and Papas imo

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 July 2015 19:58 (4 days ago) Permalink

Listened to the new one again and I think my main problem is just that A Beautiful Exit is a really disappointing opener compared to his first two albums. It's actually a good song but the production and arrangement choices kill it for me, virtually anything would accompany it better than that lumpen guitar hook.

yea this is very much how i feel about the opener

marcos, Thursday, 2 July 2015 20:03 (4 days ago) Permalink

Yeah I'm not saying it's saturated in 90s rock references by any means (and they could be entirely unintentional) but it feels like a more expansive record than KD - a lot of these songs feel like *driving music* in a way that the last album didn't really.

Matt DC, Thursday, 2 July 2015 20:04 (4 days ago) Permalink

I think we'd be disappointed in any opener not "Adorn."

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 July 2015 20:05 (4 days ago) Permalink

he did "girls like you" at the npr show in the style of an anthemic rock song and i thought it sounded better than the album version

J0rdan S., Thursday, 2 July 2015 20:08 (4 days ago) Permalink

"what's normal anyway" reminds me of this neglected little thing:

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 July 2015 20:28 (4 days ago) Permalink

maybe I'm going overboard with 90s-hunting but the second half of "Face the Sun" gives me strong "Where Is My Mind" vibes

List of people who are ready for woe and how we know this (seandalai), Friday, 3 July 2015 01:07 (3 days ago) Permalink

quickie is bad too, even sure thing isn't great

― for sale: baby shoes, never worn your ass (katherine), Thursday, July 2, 2015 1:22 AM (20 hours ago)

um, what

wisdom be leakin out my louche douche truths (k3vin k.), Friday, 3 July 2015 01:52 (3 days ago) Permalink

It gives me strong Purple Rain vibes tbh but I don't think you need to strain too hard for 90s rock echoes on a song with LENNY KRAVITZ on it.

The album in general feels more 80s than 90s to me, there's some big anthemic pop-rock sound that the faster, more top-down songs remind me of a bit, it's not Don Henley but it's something not far off.

NWA makes a really good companion to #HoodLove by Jazmine Sullivan btw. The whole stretch from Coffee through to Face The Sun is virtually flawless. The weather is helping.

Matt DC, Friday, 3 July 2015 07:46 (3 days ago) Permalink

yeah it's an amazing sticky summer evening album

is "the valley" beat really not a sample? it sounds so familiar but maybe it's just Generic Dubstep Growl

lex pretend, Friday, 3 July 2015 08:54 (3 days ago) Permalink

Album reminds me of Iggy Pop's "Candy".

Tim F, Friday, 3 July 2015 09:03 (3 days ago) Permalink

It gives me strong Purple Rain vibes tbh but I don't think you need to strain too hard for 90s rock echoes on a song with LENNY KRAVITZ on it.

well especially when he starts literally singing "purple rain", perfect interpolation at perfect moment

lex pretend, Friday, 3 July 2015 09:07 (3 days ago) Permalink

enjoying this record a lot

Joan Crawford Loves Chachi, Friday, 3 July 2015 12:59 (3 days ago) Permalink

this feels like more of an 'album' than the other two i love it so much fuiud

, Friday, 3 July 2015 13:59 (3 days ago) Permalink

not here to hate on the debut but it was v much "solid collection of songs overshadowed by the 10/10 classic single" where the next two have been incredible and fully realised pieces of work

thinking about the contrast between this and KD, KD's overall vibe was sort of floating, drifting, on cloud nine emotionally and in this bubble of romance; wildheart is all dirt and grit and roughness and stuff that pushes you rather than makes you swoon

lex pretend, Friday, 3 July 2015 15:00 (3 days ago) Permalink

"coffee" in fact feels like the outlier in this respect (an amazing outlier tho)

lex pretend, Friday, 3 July 2015 15:00 (3 days ago) Permalink

yep

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 July 2015 15:01 (3 days ago) Permalink

If Kaleidoscope Dream was Oracle then Wildheart is Odessey.

geoffreyess, Friday, 3 July 2015 15:11 (3 days ago) Permalink

Percussion on damned is wow

, Friday, 3 July 2015 15:11 (3 days ago) Permalink

maybe I'm going overboard with 90s-hunting but the second half of "Face the Sun" gives me strong "Where Is My Mind" vibes

The whole album is Sebadoh (with sex)!

pophatte (admrl), Friday, 3 July 2015 15:12 (3 days ago) Permalink

Miguel made the same song w leaves and face the sun and put them one right after the other and it's still great and amazing

, Friday, 3 July 2015 15:16 (3 days ago) Permalink

Re: the 90s, the guitars on "A Beautiful Exit" kind of sound like "Souvlaki Space Station" rewritten to soundtrack the opening of Altman's "Short Cuts" or better yet Bigelow's "Strange Days."

geoffreyess, Friday, 3 July 2015 18:20 (3 days ago) Permalink

And "the valley" reminds of "Closer" mainly in the way that I can imagine having seen the real cool video with the "fuck" bleeped out and then getting the album home and hearing it uncensored for the first time. Like, I can imagine it so vividly, it's a mere technicality it didn't actually happen that way.

geoffreyess, Friday, 3 July 2015 18:23 (3 days ago) Permalink

Haha

Tim F, Friday, 3 July 2015 21:39 (3 days ago) Permalink

"Waves" sounds like "Electric Feel".

The Reverend, Saturday, 4 July 2015 08:58 (2 days ago) Permalink

The songwriting on All I Want Is You is pretty underrated compared to KD but I feel like he just took this big jump forward as a singer (both his voice and his phrasing) between the first and second albums. I listened to Sure Thing again today and it's amazing, but when he sings "just put your pretty little hand in mine" he still has that pinched, slightly nasal thing you hear with lesser R&B singers. Fast forward to Adorn and he really SINGS those high notes, like his throat is wide open, his technique is way better.

It's worth remembering that "Sure Thing" was recorded in like 2007 or so. (It's was the song on his demo that got him signed, then his label sat on him for a couple years.) Something like "Teach Me" is a lot closer to his current phrasing.

The Reverend, Saturday, 4 July 2015 09:27 (2 days ago) Permalink

i learned that he was originally signed as a songwriter more or less and "sure thing" was specifically earmarked for usher

J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 July 2015 15:46 (2 days ago) Permalink

pretty obsessed with "Leaves"-> "Face the Sun"

I am a dummy on "production" but these two songs do this thing where they build up layer by layer steadily over the song, until the climax is a wall of sound. though if you're listening carefully the sound is good enough to hear the different layers individually. like you're listening to a pyramid, a three dimensional object, being built. this is particularly true of "Face the Sun". I don't know enough to say what lineage that sound has: it's very complex, layers of counterpoint building, more and more tracks coming in. I dunno, maybe I think of like Be Here Now? Miguel gets pretty shouty on these songs, well and elsewhere on the album. maybe it's a kinda cokey sound? this is no shade: I am just listening to those two on repeat, with "Waves" once in a while, which is a more linear groove. I dunno, I'm hearing something that's probably really easy for the rest of you to classify etc but for me it's pretty striking.

droit au butt (Euler), Saturday, 4 July 2015 20:13 (2 days ago) Permalink

"Waves" sounds like "Electric Feel".

I've been thinking this too.

MikoMcha, Sunday, 5 July 2015 06:25 (Yesterday) Permalink

'electric feel' reminds me of los angeles hotel lobbies, so the connection makes sense

maura, Sunday, 5 July 2015 07:06 (Yesterday) Permalink

i could wipe you down right now baby
let me ride that wave right now baby

, Sunday, 5 July 2015 12:38 (Yesterday) Permalink


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