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because this dude has outgrown the R&B thread

bron paul (k3vin k.), Sunday, 4 March 2012 07:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

new ep is fantastic. 'adorn' and 'gravity' are immediately brilliant but 'that i do' has also really grown on me. i only really remember loving 'sure thing' and 'all i want is you' from the album last year but this has made me wanna relisten.

bass, Sunday, 4 March 2012 11:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

I've come to the opinion that "Quickie" is the best single from the debut

marissa explains it all (The Reverend), Sunday, 4 March 2012 12:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah i love the new EP, this after "all i want is you" and "sure thing" were basically my favorite r&b songs of the past 2 years. he's making a case for replacing jeremih as my facvorite male r&b singer

bron paul (k3vin k.), Sunday, 4 March 2012 17:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

how big is this dude now I have no sense of scale for pop music anymore

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 4 March 2012 17:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

genuinely like what I've heard of his

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 4 March 2012 17:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Adorn" is the best song I've heard this year. Thanks Rev!

EZ Snappin, Sunday, 4 March 2012 17:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

how big is this dude now I have no sense of scale for pop music anymore

― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, March 4, 2012 12:46 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark

"sure thing" was the #1 song on u.s. urban radio last year and his song w/ wale brings his total of big r&b hits to 4, but he hasn't crossed over to pop audiences at all, even to the moderate extent of trey songz or whoever

some dude, Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

so sad that adorn is only 2:19 long

flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

i guess he's in that weird robin thicke zone of 'non-black r&b singer whose fanbase is predominantly black'

some dude, Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

Miguel Jontel Pimentel was born in Los Angeles.[1][2] He is one of two sons born to a Mexican father and an African American mother.[2]

flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

oh word, i thought he was just full on hoos is mexican

some dude, Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

so sad that adorn is only 2:19 long

― flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, March 4, 2012 10:21 AM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is prob the best part about it!

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

like it ends and I'm all "what a good song that was"

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

what a good post that was

flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:47 (3 years ago) Permalink

I grew up w/ indian parents who only listened to indian music but since I grew up in new orleans they also listened to a lot of aaron neville and only nevilee (????) and I think there is something nevilleish abt this that I really appreciate

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

didn't mean to spell him wrong the second time

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

"that i do" is incredible

Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Sunday, 4 March 2012 21:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

"gravity" is my favourite on the EP i think

"adorn" hasn't clicked with me yet, i think with these reedy-voiced guys like miguel and jeremih, i find myself either falling head over heels with songs where some alchemy makes them sound perfect ("sure thing", "birthday sex", "imma star") or i'm left a bit cold.

lex pretend, Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

the production doesn't grab you?

flagp∞st (dayo), Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

i don't think anything on the EP touches "adorn" but that's the single of the year so far, so no biggie

J0rdan S., Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

it's nice? it might sneak up on me in time.

it's not the single of the year, it's not even the r&b single of the year lol

lex pretend, Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

*shrug*

J0rdan S., Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

yah "adorn" is my favorite song this year too i think. out of the 20 i've heard at least

bron paul (k3vin k.), Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

i don't think anything on the EP touches "adorn" but that's the single of the year so far, so no biggie

― J0rdan S., Sunday, March 4, 2012 6:24 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark

haven't heard it yet but aren't there only like 2 other songs on the EP? 'best of three' is kind of...anyway "Adorn" is nice but i have absolutely no idea how it's in any way different from or better than anything off the first album.

some dude, Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

i'm not saying that it is! just that it's the best song i've heard this year

J0rdan S., Sunday, 4 March 2012 23:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

"gravity" is really good too

al you don't see how "adorn" is stylistically different than like, "sure thing"?

bron paul (k3vin k.), Monday, 5 March 2012 00:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

you just gotta vibe to adorn, dude

flagp∞st (dayo), Monday, 5 March 2012 00:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

i vibe to it, but i also vibe to his whole album.

at this point he's only got a fairly small number of songs out that are all good to great and none too similar to each other. so "adorn" is unique but of a piece of that body of work just as "sure thing" is. its brevity is the only thing i see as any kind of departure.

some dude, Monday, 5 March 2012 01:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

I need to check out this ep. Thanks

curmudgeon, Monday, 5 March 2012 15:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

So I found this 2005 12-inch in a dollar bin a year and a half ago, and I bought it on the off chance it was the same Miguel. Turns out it was. The song is very much a product of its time.

Evan R, Monday, 5 March 2012 15:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

just went on Spotify to see if they had the new EP, they don't, but they do have a single he apparently released in 2011 called "Strawberry Amazing," which i had never heard anything about before, pretty good, very lo-fi Prince

something i noticed on the Art Dealer Chic liner notes -- Miguel self-produced the whole thing (except for one co-production from Fisticuffs, who did "Quickie" and "Girls Like You"). afaik Miguel didn't really do any of the production on the first album, so it looks like he's really stepping up and getting more involved in that side of things.

some dude, Monday, 5 March 2012 15:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Strawberry Amazing" was on his 2008's Mischief, too, and he co-produced that entire mixtape with Fisticuffs. That mixtape was super lo-fi; it sounds like he recorded it with a Casio and a boombox, but you can definitely hear a lot of echoes of the new EP in it.

Evan R, Monday, 5 March 2012 16:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

i don't really feel like the Jive album sanded off the edges of that aesthetic much at all, give or take a few of the more established producers' contributions

some dude, Monday, 5 March 2012 16:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I agree. When I first heard the Jive album, I was actually surprised by how low-budget it sounded at times, especially the Fisticuffs productions. Because it came out so quietly at the time (this was before "Sure Thing" had any legs) I was wondering if Jive had cut corners and were just trying to bury the album. It definitely took a few listens for some of the more muffled production to make sense.

Evan R, Monday, 5 March 2012 16:52 (3 years ago) Permalink

I kind of think of that hazy, reverbed vibe as the album's distinguishing characteristic. Gives it a very warm, intimate feel. Although a lot of that is down to Miguel himself, too.

marissa explains it all (The Reverend), Monday, 5 March 2012 17:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

like Strawberry Amazing but always hear a little Lenny Kravitz :/

bnw, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 04:32 (3 years ago) Permalink

i don't think anything on the EP touches "adorn" but that's the single of the year so far, so no biggie

― J0rdan S., Sunday, March 4, 2012 6:24 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark

'adorn' is great but the single of the year so far is obv 'climax'

flagp∞st (dayo), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 14:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Climax" hasn't really hit me yet. I'm an "Adorn" partisan.

marissa explains it all (The Reverend), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 00:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

'adorn' is great but the single of the year so far is obv 'climax'

wanna say "dayo otm", but i guess i got something to listen to when i get home

meticulously showcased in a stunning fart presentation (contenderizer), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 00:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

My ex is friends w his little brother lol. Apparently he sings too tho not professionally afaik

I like miguel. Sure thing was never my thing but he has a great voice and feels like a genuine original

D-40, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 01:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think EZsnappin nailed it on tumblr where he said "Adorn" sounds like early-80s Marvin. The greater trick though, is that he achieves that vibe without any air of tribute or homage.

marissa explains it all (The Reverend), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 05:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

ban dayo

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 7 March 2012 05:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

"adorn" is so killing me atm

meticulously showcased in a stunning fart presentation (contenderizer), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 05:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

i agree with dayo that "climax" is better than "adorn"

lex pretend, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 10:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

"Adorn" makes me think of Prince fwiw

D-40, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 11:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

it makes me think of Prince less than 80% of his material but he definitely wrote it in part because he couldn't write another song called "Adore"

some dude, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 11:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

nbd, just a cross between marvin gaye & prince

john-claude van donne (schlump), Wednesday, 7 March 2012 12:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

vol 2, tomorrow

if you feeling frogbs, leap (The Reverend), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 00:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

my neighbors always know when I come home because I bump adorn 4 times

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 27 March 2012 00:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

coffee takes me places :D

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 14 August 2015 01:33 (1 week ago) Permalink

otm

marcos, Friday, 14 August 2015 01:36 (1 week ago) Permalink

i love the rock touches on this!!! still as wonderful as ever for me

lex pretend, Friday, 14 August 2015 09:22 (1 week ago) Permalink

idk i never really liked "coffee" that much

i do find the album lacking somewhat compared to kaleidoscope dream but it still has a few great songs

dyl, Friday, 14 August 2015 15:01 (1 week ago) Permalink

this album is so warm and glowy idk

, Friday, 14 August 2015 19:00 (1 week ago) Permalink

First Ave show was moved to State Theater. A somewhat less exciting prospect but I'll be there. He talks about the venue change here: http://www.citypages.com/music/miguel-talks-first-ave-racial-expectations-sex-7567982

Ys Man a.k.a. Have One on G (geoffreyess), Saturday, 15 August 2015 01:50 (1 week ago) Permalink

great url lol

marcos, Saturday, 15 August 2015 03:37 (1 week ago) Permalink

I was at the State Theater show in Minneapolis last night. People were not kidding how incredible his band is. One of the highlights was the guitarist spinning around really fast whilst playing The Thrill. One of the best live shows I've been to.

Kitchen Person, Sunday, 16 August 2015 13:25 (1 week ago) Permalink

I'm having this weird relationship with the album right now where on one listen I'll really like it, and then on the next I'll find its spotty and trying.

"Coffee" still among the best tracks of the year, if not THE best.

― The New Gay Sadness (cryptosicko), Thursday, August 13, 2015 9:32 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha yea me too, i listened this morning and i was like "okay this is awesome there are only like 2 tracks i don't like"

marcos, Monday, 17 August 2015 14:39 (1 week ago) Permalink

"the valley" is really bad imo, i'm just not feeling that tune at all

"flesh" on the other hand is great

"leaves" i've always liked but this morning it's been especially powerful, that tune is amaaaaaaaaaaaazing

marcos, Monday, 17 August 2015 14:41 (1 week ago) Permalink

i don't think i know who geoffreyess is???

i was at the minneapolis show. i had a great time, but in recollection my feelings are kind of negative, i'll have to think about it

goole, Monday, 17 August 2015 15:31 (1 week ago) Permalink

it was kind of a marathon; he gave songs i liked less real workouts, stuff i liked he just kind of breezed through.

and maybe i totally lost the plot but i don't think he played arch & point?

i was into how douchey is band was though

goole, Monday, 17 August 2015 15:34 (1 week ago) Permalink

man that opener though, wtf was that even

goole, Monday, 17 August 2015 15:36 (1 week ago) Permalink

these guys? they sound pretty um.
https://soundcloud.com/dorothytheband

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Monday, 17 August 2015 15:43 (1 week ago) Permalink

i really like them

maura, Monday, 17 August 2015 16:17 (1 week ago) Permalink

(i wrote about them for RS six months ago! thanks whiney)

maura, Monday, 17 August 2015 16:17 (1 week ago) Permalink

first two songs not doing anything for me but i respect yer opinion so will try again

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Monday, 17 August 2015 16:50 (1 week ago) Permalink

i mean if you're not into the whole deap vally/dead sara/loud ladies over crushing blues riffs thing then it might not be your cup o tea

maura, Monday, 17 August 2015 16:55 (1 week ago) Permalink

yyyyyyyyeah, this may be a case of diverging tastes. they sound to me like a faster pussycat cover band with a female lead.

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Monday, 17 August 2015 17:13 (1 week ago) Permalink

you say that like it's a bad thing

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 17 August 2015 17:30 (1 week ago) Permalink

if you had asked me twenty years ago!

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Monday, 17 August 2015 17:56 (1 week ago) Permalink

Dorothy was not my cup o tea at all but I admired the commitment and sorta understood why they might have been invited to open. In a month that has already brought much worse opening acts, I had some mild affection for them.

Ys Man a.k.a. Have One on G (geoffreyess), Monday, 17 August 2015 23:54 (1 week ago) Permalink

I didn't hear "Arch and Point" played, though the boundaries between songs were somewhat indistinct at times, the music restructured to address and engage the audience.

Ys Man a.k.a. Have One on G (geoffreyess), Monday, 17 August 2015 23:56 (1 week ago) Permalink

Anyway I had a great, smiley time at the show. Thrusting, come-ons, long-winded monologue about celebrating your individuality, the "How Many Drinks" processional to the balcony, then brief disappearance (where's Miguel??) and triumphant return to the stage. It was all good.

Ys Man a.k.a. Have One on G (geoffreyess), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 00:05 (1 week ago) Permalink

discovered the flow of this record would be improved slightly if "coffee" and "what's normal anyway" were moved after "hollywood dreams"

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 00:16 (1 week ago) Permalink

i guess if you want the back half of the album to completely destroy the first half instead of merely outshining it

some dude, Tuesday, 18 August 2015 01:56 (1 week ago) Permalink

eh i love the first half of this record

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 02:20 (1 week ago) Permalink

The Valley isn't Miguel's greatest moment, but it def suffers a bit because I get an itchy trigger finger to get to Coffee.

alpine static, Tuesday, 18 August 2015 02:43 (1 week ago) Permalink

long-winded monologue about celebrating your individuality

i found this really moving

goole, Tuesday, 18 August 2015 21:15 (1 week ago) Permalink

i was, like, so close to him when he came up the aisle. tastefully kept my phone pocketed.

goole, Tuesday, 18 August 2015 21:18 (1 week ago) Permalink

i found this really moving

Me too!

Ys Man a.k.a. Have One on G (geoffreyess), Wednesday, 19 August 2015 15:56 (1 week ago) Permalink

he was quite smothered by phones

Ys Man a.k.a. Have One on G (geoffreyess), Wednesday, 19 August 2015 15:56 (1 week ago) Permalink

a modern malaise if any

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 August 2015 15:59 (1 week ago) Permalink

DEAL is such a jam

marcos, Thursday, 20 August 2015 14:40 (1 week ago) Permalink

Although kinda subtle and not awfully dramatic, "what's normal anyway" has increasingly revealed itself to be the beating heart of this record. Sleeper deep cut. Is that manipulated vocal hook that occurs throughout sampling anything? Sounds awfully familiar...

vmajestic, Thursday, 20 August 2015 15:00 (1 week ago) Permalink

I accept "What's Normal Anyway" as the heart of this record but I really don't fuck with it at all. I mean, I used to do the "I'm mixed, woe is me, nobody understands me" thing but then I recognized it for the internalized manifestation of white supremacy it is and can't stand when other people get in their #MixedFeelings. Like it's really fucking shitty to monoracial black people.

drown zoowap (The Reverend), Thursday, 20 August 2015 23:46 (1 week ago) Permalink

it's a very pretty song, it does so much with very little, but the lyrics are definitely the worst mutation of his individuality fixation

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Thursday, 20 August 2015 23:55 (1 week ago) Permalink

i respect those takes takes but the song doesn't feel self-pitying or yearning to fit in to me, just the phrase "what's normal anyway" seems to me like a poetically casual way to shrug it all off. race is obviously a big component of the song that i can speak to but i think it's also pretty broadly about a lot of 'caught between two different worlds' feelings that a lot of people have in different situations.

some dude, Friday, 21 August 2015 00:28 (6 days ago) Permalink

i mean compared to the smug clumsy way a Kid Cudi or a Childish Gambino addresses that subject matter it's pretty deft imo.

some dude, Friday, 21 August 2015 00:30 (6 days ago) Permalink

The tossed-off way he sings the hook mitigates the self-pity imo. Brevity helps too.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 August 2015 00:32 (6 days ago) Permalink

if individuality fixation means pharrell influence, which i guess it does

r|t|c, Friday, 21 August 2015 00:33 (6 days ago) Permalink

hm true some dude, just sort of dislike the effect of ~i don't work in a binary~ *reinforces other binaries*

it's such a prettyyyy song though

insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Friday, 21 August 2015 02:23 (6 days ago) Permalink

too crazy for boystown, too much of a boy for crazytown

Merdeyeux, Friday, 21 August 2015 02:27 (6 days ago) Permalink

lmao

some dude, Friday, 21 August 2015 02:33 (6 days ago) Permalink

In a crowd and I need a bone.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 August 2015 02:37 (6 days ago) Permalink

I accept "What's Normal Anyway" as the heart of this record but I really don't fuck with it at all. I mean, I used to do the "I'm mixed, woe is me, nobody understands me" thing but then I recognized it for the internalized manifestation of white supremacy it is and can't stand when other people get in their #MixedFeelings. Like it's really fucking shitty to monoracial black people.

― drown zoowap (The Reverend), Thursday, August 20, 2015 11:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

if mixed ppl don't talk about the specific issues of being mixed no one else will though. i've definitely seen some instances where the internalised white supremacy is obvious but i disagree that #mixedproblems are inherently shitty to black people.

"what's normal anyway" feels v borne of miguel's own life experiences

lex pretend, Friday, 21 August 2015 06:57 (6 days ago) Permalink

imo it is one of the weaker songs on here, i think it's a little corny and obvious tbh. i admire the spirit of the song. i'm hispanic/latino but grew up in a completely homogenous white suburb so have always felt like an outsider among both white and latino circles, it took a long time for me to be able to process the yes *intersectional* aspects of my identity, being a poc but also feeling more familiar (though not comfortable) with white middle class environments, tbh the 15-year-old me would have fucking loved the song to death but it's a little too much for me now? idk.

and tbf to miguel he's talking about being mixed mexican/black and that's a somewhat different dynamic than the #mixedfeelings rev is referencing?

that said i do think both lex & rev are otm here.

marcos, Friday, 21 August 2015 13:40 (6 days ago) Permalink

He talks a little about What's Normal Anyway specifcally here: http://www.portlandmercury.com/portland/whats-normal-anyway/Content?oid=16294961

Even after his quick rise and the success of Kaleidoscope Dream, Miguel says he still has "a bit of an underdog mentality" that he'll likely carry for the rest of his life. But he's carrying a lot less than he used to. He calls "What's Normal Anyway" an "emancipation" from the feelings it expresses; just by writing them and singing them out loud, he has not only offloaded their power over him, but has turned them into forces for good.

"Letting go of all of these parameters that I felt kept me from connecting, I've almost repurposed them and made them the reason why I do connect," Miguel says. "Because in that vulnerability, there's commonality, and people can relate with feeling out of place."

alpine static, Friday, 21 August 2015 14:24 (6 days ago) Permalink

parameters, repurposed, commonality

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 August 2015 14:26 (6 days ago) Permalink

he's got the jargon down

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 August 2015 14:26 (6 days ago) Permalink


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