Rudimentary Peni VS Flux of Pink Indians

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Who was more original/influential

ali frazier, Wednesday, 18 September 2002 01:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

i dunno but i broke a lamp in my house dancing around to Rudimentary Peni just last week!

chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 01:39 (10 years ago) Permalink

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J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 02:02 (10 years ago) Permalink

what planet is this?

ron (ron), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 03:07 (10 years ago) Permalink

the peni.

your null fame (yournullfame), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 05:35 (10 years ago) Permalink

ive always wanted to get a few things straight.. was Peni really 15 when they recorded Farce and Death Church?

chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 06:59 (10 years ago) Permalink

also, are the lyrics to that FOPI song really "i wanna marry a tube disaster"? if so, that's a great line so they win.

dave k, Wednesday, 18 September 2002 15:30 (10 years ago) Permalink

Douglas Wolk to thread!

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 19 September 2002 01:56 (10 years ago) Permalink

6 months pass...
no one answered me and i love PENI

chaki (chaki), Friday, 4 April 2003 08:58 (10 years ago) Permalink

mdc

gaz (gaz), Friday, 4 April 2003 09:01 (10 years ago) Permalink

Original: Peni
Influential: FOPI

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 4 April 2003 11:29 (10 years ago) Permalink

Both were generic but Peni

SplendidMullet (iamamonkey), Friday, 4 April 2003 14:50 (10 years ago) Permalink

"The Fucking Cunts Treat Us Like Pricks".

It must be years since I first saw that title listed somewhere and it has remained my all-time favourite title of any art form of any description. For that, FOPI rool. And I've never heard it or owt else by them.

darren (darren), Friday, 4 April 2003 18:12 (10 years ago) Permalink

Rudimentary Peni has been a band that I have wanted to check out for a long time. Where would would you recommend to start?

earlnash, Friday, 4 April 2003 22:40 (10 years ago) Permalink

DEATH CHURCH!!!!!

chaki (chaki), Friday, 4 April 2003 22:40 (10 years ago) Permalink

earlnash, check out "EPs of RP" - collected EPs, some of their best and most easily accessible stuff. "death church" is also very good, just don't start with any of their late-period albums...

your null fame (yournullfame), Friday, 4 April 2003 23:12 (10 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...
both peni and FOPI are killer

ben dover, Tuesday, 10 June 2003 09:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...
this isn't a competition is it? just listen to both dammit!

michelle, Sunday, 29 June 2003 22:25 (9 years ago) Permalink

hey chaki, no they weren't fifteen, nick blinko was 19 when he formed peni

michelle, Sunday, 29 June 2003 22:29 (9 years ago) Permalink

thanks, michelle.

chaki (chaki), Sunday, 29 June 2003 23:15 (9 years ago) Permalink

yup

michelle, Sunday, 6 July 2003 05:46 (9 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...
Flux is much more musically creative and enjoyable, lets say to be played at a kickback, w/ fellow punks over some screwdrivers and good conversation. Nick's lyrics however knock the shit outta Flux's and Peni's music would be fun as hell to slam to (oh, if only). It really comes down to if you prefer poetic morbidity and 30 second harcore, or political commentary set to neato catchy Crass like stuff. Last month I would've devoutly claimed that Peni was better, but right now I think it's Flux. -Fin

Kevin Rhea, Friday, 1 August 2003 05:49 (9 years ago) Permalink

very well stated

michelle, Sunday, 3 August 2003 17:15 (9 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...
Flux owns Rudi anyday, for one Flux was real, the drummer of Rudi ate meat, which is bullshit. So in closing, Flux owns.

MarxyBoy

|-|4x0|7, Monday, 25 August 2003 04:23 (9 years ago) Permalink

hahahahhahahahh`~~!!!!!

chaki (chaki), Monday, 25 August 2003 07:11 (9 years ago) Permalink

8 months pass...
Wow, I never knew that music was a competition! Im surprised that people are mumbling over the creativity of two of the most amazing bands we've seen. Just enjoy the music, not everything has to be a competition in this crazy rat race world.

RadioSchizo, Wednesday, 28 April 2004 23:54 (9 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, plus its too hard to choose. They were both so fucking great.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 29 April 2004 00:02 (9 years ago) Permalink

An easier one might be Poison Girls -vs- Icons of Filth

Cuz IOF would win easily.

Or Citizen Fish -vs- Schwarzenegger!

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 29 April 2004 00:04 (9 years ago) Permalink

Or Conflict -vs- Discharge That one is a toughie.

It might be a tie.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 29 April 2004 00:05 (9 years ago) Permalink

For me it might be:

Crass
Flux
Subhumans
Rudimentari Peni
Discharge
Conflict

But that's just today. If I slept on it my answer might be different.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 29 April 2004 00:07 (9 years ago) Permalink

Peni have a new EP coming out in June or July, I think (also they win)

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 29 April 2004 08:09 (9 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...
rudimentary peni and flux are very good bands. so it's hard to put one up against the other but sinse i listen more and having rudimentary peni as my fav band i guess i'd choose them. i doubt they were 15 when they wrote those songs.

karie jenk (77 rudiments to reject), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 00:34 (8 years ago) Permalink

Never cared for either, really. But I hate Rudimentary Peni.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 01:03 (8 years ago) Permalink

I don't know enough of either to have a preference but I'm very pleased that A) someone asked this question and that B) it actually drew righteous googlers!!

Sonny A. (Keiko), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 01:11 (8 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...
Can we talk about how good the recent Rudi Peni "Underclass" and "Archaic" EP's are? Short, ultra-heavy, memorable songs. And not one mention on this thread about "Cacophony", their best by far... a very unique album of Lovecraft-drenched horror-punk goodies.

IF ANY SPARK OF LIFE BE YET REMAINING, DOWN, DOWN TO HELL, AND SAY I SENT THEE THITHER!!!

Never liked early Flux. I like 'Fucking Cunts' but my copy was the One Little Indian reissue without the lyrics - kinda pointless. Still wish I hadn't sold it.

What I like almost as much as the Peni is the post-FOPI album by Flux called "Uncarved Block". Very different, Adrian Sherwood and On-U Sound people participate and the music also has a lot more melody and color.

sleeve (sleeve), Monday, 6 February 2006 03:14 (7 years ago) Permalink

C or D:: Flux "Uncarved Block"

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 6 February 2006 03:20 (7 years ago) Permalink

awright! ilm unites behind unsung classic!

sleeve (sleeve), Monday, 6 February 2006 04:20 (7 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

i heard rudimentary peni for the first time this weekend. it fucked me up! the album "cacophony" woah nellie what a crazy record....

i had no idea shit like that was going on in the UK then, it totes gets written out of history....crazy talk.

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 31 March 2008 18:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

seriously like i had no idea hardcore continued on in the UK....you never heard about it, esp. this which is beyond twisted art/metal/hardcore/strangeness....it would seem to fit in better with what was happening in the US, late SST and touch & go and shit...but i thought everyone just stopped at a certain point in the UK...

M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 31 March 2008 18:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeah seriously! it's very overlooked.

latebloomer, Monday, 31 March 2008 18:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

"Flux of Pink Indians" is such a great name!

roxymuzak, Monday, 31 March 2008 18:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

RFI - Crusty punk

latebloomer, Monday, 31 March 2008 18:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

good stuff. grindcore wouldn't have existed without this kind of music.

latebloomer, Monday, 31 March 2008 18:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

it's true!

J0hn D., Monday, 31 March 2008 18:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

Cacophony is teh bestest, but I see I said that here already. There is so much detail in that album.

sleeve, Monday, 31 March 2008 19:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

death church!

chaki, Monday, 31 March 2008 21:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

listen to chaki

latebloomer, Monday, 31 March 2008 22:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

RP have a new album out in about a month and I'm sorry to say it pretty much sucks :(

DJ Mencap, Monday, 31 March 2008 22:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

hasn't that been true of most of the second incarnation RP releases?

i need to get EPs of RP on cd. goddamn, they were so good.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 03:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

Peni4evah.

Raw Patrick, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 07:51 (5 years ago) Permalink

Hardcore punk never really stopped in the UK, it was/is mostly hated/ignored by music critics which explains why it was written out of music history, and the fanbase was pretty small compared to the USA etc, so it just carried on as an underground scene.

I can't easily pick one of these 2 bands! I was playing them both yesterday.

Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 14:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

good stuff. grindcore wouldn't have existed without this kind of music.

-- latebloomer, Monday, 31 March 2008 18:44 (Yesterday) Link

yeah when we were listening to it, other than being sort of blown away like what IS this kind of music? i was thinking that it sort of occupies that weird nexus of punk/hardcore/metal in a way that i thought only U.S. stuff like late black flag or die kreutzen and stuff did.....did the Bay Area thrash bands like these guys? i swear metallica or slayer or someone did....

M@tt He1ges0n, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 15:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

8 months pass...

Okay woah woah woah. Back up. I am totally flipping over Rudimentary Peni right now. Got three albums of theirs now and yowza. Don't even know where to begin with the brilliance on display here.

Do you know they even have a song called "Black President"?

Bimble's goth heart is totally beating <3 <3 <3 <3

Check out the lyrics for "The Eyes Of The Dead":

"Seeing with the eyes of the dead/
Reliving the lives of the dead/
Living with the lies of the dead/
Dreaming (breathing??) with the cries of the dead"

I don't know if I've got all these lyrics right, necessarily, but that is some heavy, heavy goth right there, regardless, and it ought to be respected.

Geese Is The Word (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Wednesday, 24 December 2008 10:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

Also they are way, way punk rock. I don't want to give the impression they're not.

Geese Is The Word (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Wednesday, 24 December 2008 10:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

What 3 did you buy? EPs of RP, Death Church, and Cacophony are the only essentials.

I wrote my 33 1/3 proposal on Cacophony this time. Wish me luck!

Nate Carson, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 10:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

haha awww. I'm cheering on other 33 1/3 hopefuls already haha. Yes of course I wish you luck!

The three I have of RP are Death Church, No More Pain EP (god what a title!!! I worship that shit), and the "EP's of RP" which I haven't really dug into much yet.

Where is Colonel Poo I wonder? He likes to talk about this band.

The way I feel about Rudimentary Peni is it's like early Death In June (when they were called Crisis and really punk) but like improved by three times or something.

Geese Is The Word (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Wednesday, 24 December 2008 11:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

"Being brave won't save me from the grave". Christ, even metalheads should hear this.
"The Death of The Author" is what it's called.

Geese Is The Word (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Wednesday, 24 December 2008 11:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

Death Church is my favorite punk album ever. Cacophony is simply one of my favorite albums ever. It's the anomaly in their catalog in that it was primarily written by Blinko about H.P. Lovecraft. Musically, it also stretches the furthest.

Nate Carson, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 11:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

Just full on punk rock sometimes, so strange that I could get that far into a punk band. I adore them. I'll check out Cacophony, thanks.

Geese Is The Word (Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You), Wednesday, 24 December 2008 11:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

Death Church was a 'best of both worlds' type album for metalheads who wouldn't listen to stuff this punky and punks who wouldn't listen to stuff this metally. Plus i mean "when you're in a martian church"!!!

Ballistic, Friday, 19 February 2010 23:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

it seems like cacophony is fucking impossible to find on vinyl. :(

El GarBage (M@tt He1ges0n), Friday, 19 February 2010 23:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

Still can't choose between these 2 bands but Flux Of Pink Indians were really great at their reunion gig last year, they really nailed the guitar sound, it was exactly as tinny and awesome as on the records, and Sid from Rubella Ballet hopped on drums for Tube Disasters (twice!) as he played on the original. Never seen Peni live but they hardly ever played live AFAIK

Colonel Poo, Friday, 19 February 2010 23:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

xp re: Cacophony

yeah the bassist hates it! Discogs has one from Australia for $40... I don't think it's even being kept in print by the band. check out the Mark Prindle reviews for more sad info.

sleeve, Friday, 19 February 2010 23:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

9 months pass...

Finally found Cacophony and it is plain great.
Horrors In The Museum is such a great song.

Marco Damiani, Saturday, 27 November 2010 14:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

went down memory lane with both of these bands on my hi-fi a week or two ago. i was drunk, of course. always sound great. always inspiring.

scott seward, Saturday, 27 November 2010 14:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

NIGHTGAUNTS
NIGHTGAUNTS

4 out of 5 Fenriz agree. (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 28 November 2010 10:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

Every band should have a Lovecraft-inspired in their discography.

Cthulhu Fhtagn!

Marco Damiani, Sunday, 28 November 2010 15:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

Flux owns Rudi anyday, for one Flux was real, the drummer of Rudi ate meat, which is bullshit. So in closing, Flux owns.

MarxyBoy

― |-|4x0|7, Monday, 25 August 2003 04:23 (8 years ago) Permalink

this was awesome

arby's, Friday, 27 July 2012 22:32 (9 months ago) Permalink

love both these bands

arby's, Friday, 27 July 2012 22:32 (9 months ago) Permalink

let's not forget about how wonderful nick blinko's artwork is

arby's, Friday, 27 July 2012 22:34 (9 months ago) Permalink

arby's, Friday, 27 July 2012 22:37 (9 months ago) Permalink


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