Bob Dylan's "Lily, Rosemary, and the Jack of Hearts" Characters Poll

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Because no one demanded it: followup to Bob Dylan's "Black Diamond Bay" Characters Poll. Spoilers below.

<i>In order of appearance...</i>

Poll Results

OptionVotes
THE HANGING JUDGE, drunkard and part-time theater consultant 3
THE JACK OF HEARTS, lady-playing point man for the heist 2
BIG JIM, local big-shot, owner of possibly metaphorical diamond mine 2
ROSEMARY, world-weary wife and pen-knife murderess 2
LILY, cabaret floozy and/or bank-heist patsy 0
THE BACKSTAGE MANAGER, cabaret impresario with a keen sense for trouble 0
THE LEADING ACTOR, as A MONK 0


Doctor Casino, Friday, 10 February 2012 17:29 (twelve years ago) link

can we cast the movie, too? BIG JIM played by Ricky Jay, LILY as played by Lily Tomlin or Martha Plimpton

"renegade" gnome (remy bean), Friday, 10 February 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link

I kind of just want to use the whole cast of The Sting - Redford as the Jack of Hearts, Robert Shaw as Big Jim, Paul Newman in a cameo as the backstage manager...

Doctor Casino, Friday, 10 February 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link

"And Robert Shaw came through the door
(They still were casting Jaws)
And as Paul Newman paced the floor,
the audience hit Pause
They wanted to get some popcorn,
before Redford played the Jack of Hearts"

Doctor Casino, Friday, 10 February 2012 17:34 (twelve years ago) link

worst song on the album imho

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 February 2012 17:40 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, i kinda hate it

Number None, Friday, 10 February 2012 19:34 (twelve years ago) link

i'm not big on this song either but my favorite line in it is "big jim was no one's fool; he owned the town's only diamond mine" so i guess big jim?

the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Friday, 10 February 2012 19:37 (twelve years ago) link

runner-up is the redundancy of THE HANGING JUDGE WAS SOBER / HE HADN'T HAD A DRINK

the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Friday, 10 February 2012 19:38 (twelve years ago) link

well that's probably a pun

Number None, Friday, 10 February 2012 19:39 (twelve years ago) link

there's all this heartbreaking, fairly emotionally direct material and then oh hey here's a song I wrote while flipping through a deck of cards

max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 February 2012 19:56 (twelve years ago) link

That's kind of what I love about it! Sort of leavens the proceedings, or it's almost like he's distracting himself from everything he's going through by losing himself in this charming little yarn.

This early take is much closer sonically to the rest of the record, kind of weird to hear it that way actually - - - it suggests that there is some kind of emotional material hanging behind the story:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiNiBumCAkw

Doctor Casino, Friday, 10 February 2012 22:54 (twelve years ago) link

Also has an added verse which gets inside Lily and the Jack's head for a second - - interesting that that's what he would choose to leave out for the album.

Doctor Casino, Friday, 10 February 2012 22:59 (twelve years ago) link

No brand new coat of paint, no credibility.

kornrulez6969, Friday, 10 February 2012 23:25 (twelve years ago) link

there's all this heartbreaking, fairly emotionally direct material and then oh hey here's a song I wrote while flipping through a deck of cards

This is crazy talk. ILX favorite novelists such as M. John Harrison, Gilbert Sorrentino and Samuel "Chip" Delany have all used cards, well the Tarot at least, as a fruitful way to generate material. Oh, I forgot, you hate Delany. Never mind

Only the RONG Survive (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 February 2012 01:37 (twelve years ago) link

By the way, how do people interpret the ending of this song? Does Lily leave town with the Jack of Hearts, or does he use her up and leave her stranded? It seems that Jack is the only one absent from the hanging, suggesting Lily is there, but then Lily is worrying about "the law" - is she on the lam? Or just worried on Jack's behalf?

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 12 February 2012 03:59 (twelve years ago) link

worst song on the album imho

― max buzzword (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 12 February 2012 04:03 (twelve years ago) link

hahaha whatever haters, I'd take a few more verses of this in exchange for "If You See Her, Say Hello," easy.

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 12 February 2012 04:15 (twelve years ago) link

So I went looking for a "Tweeter and the Monkey Man" poll and, um

bentelec, Sunday, 12 February 2012 04:38 (twelve years ago) link

;_;

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 12 February 2012 04:44 (twelve years ago) link

No brand new coat of paint, no credibility

― kornrulez6969, Monday, February 15, 2010 1:37 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 12 February 2012 04:44 (twelve years ago) link

wow, and i even posted to that thread! Shucks.

Amazed that the Jack got no votes at all. I guess I do have to do that Tweeter poll then.

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 12 February 2012 04:45 (twelve years ago) link

(In my defense, I think I searched "jack of hearts," which of course isn't used in that thread title...)

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 12 February 2012 04:59 (twelve years ago) link

in mid-February 2014, someone will start "Lily, POLLmary, and the Jack of Hearts"

kornrulez6969 will post "No brand new coat of paint, no credibility"

eternal return is a hell of a thing

bentelec, Sunday, 12 February 2012 05:07 (twelve years ago) link

"Another bienniale, another Jack of Hearts poll..." - - and yet this is exactly why I love this website.

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 12 February 2012 05:19 (twelve years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Thursday, 23 February 2012 00:01 (twelve years ago) link

Get those votes in for this unknowingly redundant poll! The Hanging Judge is cool and all but surely there are other deserving characters!

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 23 February 2012 01:17 (twelve years ago) link

kornrulez6969 will post "No brand new coat of paint, no credibility"

I have absolutely zero recollection of posting the exact same thing 2 years ago. No short term memory, no credibility.

Next time, I'm changing my vote to the gambling wheel.

kornrulez6969, Thursday, 23 February 2012 02:23 (twelve years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Friday, 24 February 2012 00:01 (twelve years ago) link

Thanks for voting everyone. If we do this again in a few years we should be pretty sure about the margin of error for these things.

Doctor Casino, Friday, 24 February 2012 00:45 (twelve years ago) link

Ha, I just saw this thread and was bummed I missed it. I totally did not remember doing that earlier poll.

Anyway, I disagree that this doesn't fit on the album. The grinning grimness and jaunty ennui are very much of a piece.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Friday, 24 February 2012 00:58 (twelve years ago) link


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