fall out boy - folie à deux poll

i kind of have no idea which one to vote for

and yet i also know it's "(coffee's for closers)"

― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 02:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

anyway best pop-rock record of however many years

― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 02:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

the high pts are v high, few clunkers but yeah

coffees for closers vs headfirst slide vs what a catch

― johnny crunch, Saturday, 4 February 2012 02:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

holy shit crunch, i was searching for a folie a deux poll today cuz i thought i had made one a while back

― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 February 2012 02:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

man i have been jamming this album this week, what a weird coincidence

ANYWAY

1. the (shipped) gold standard
2. what a catch donnie
3. disloyal order of water buffaloes
4. headirst slide into cooperstown on a bad bet
5. w.a.m.s.

― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 February 2012 02:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

the back half of this album is kinda cool

"w.a.m.s." has that slick production and stump doing that weird blues thing at the end, "20 dollar nosebleed" is a cool horns & piano pop song, and there's the one that's kinda hair metal-y?

this album really rules... trying to think of any rock band in the past 5 or 6 years that has put out two consecutive albums as good as 'infinity on high' and this one -- i could think of a few that might come close

― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 February 2012 02:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

huh yeah id thought i remembered one before too but idk

yeah i still play these songs A LOT

also, it's just weird but like the ~concept~ of folie a deux has been in my mind for a few months ever since i've seen this http://youtu.be/Euy6vE5VsMQ - i just think it's cool these guys (prob solely pat stump?) knew it was a thing or w/e

― johnny crunch, Saturday, 4 February 2012 02:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

this album really rules... trying to think of any rock band in the past 5 or 6 years that has put out two consecutive albums as good as 'infinity on high' and this one -- i could think of a few that might come close

― J0rdan S., Friday, February 3, 2012 9:49 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

gaslight anthem?

― tebow gotti (k3vin k.), Saturday, 4 February 2012 02:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

enh

― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:00 (1 year ago) Permalink

"20 dollar nosebleed" is a cool horns & piano pop song

which sort of launches from the style of panic at the disco's pretty. odd / brendan urie guests on that particular track. kind of a neat synergistic fbr moment

― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:02 (1 year ago) Permalink

gaslight anthem?

― tebow gotti (k3vin k.), Friday, February 3, 2012 9:56 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark

my list would be like... titus andronicus, against me, los campesinos...

― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

i sorta miss all the metaness of 'infinity on high' but there's a lot of lyrical passages on this album that i find genuinely affecting, which is kinda weird seeing as they were written by freakin pete wentz

also identify with lots of the self-mocking here... like "you can only blame your problems on the world for so long / before it all becomes the same old song" is often hard to listen to

― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

something abt the lyric 'that time my dad called me a horseshoe crab' or w/e it is is a huge block for me in that song

― johnny crunch, Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

i've learned that ppl my age get really weirded out when they learn that you're super into recent fall out boy records

― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

it's "caught me a horeshoe crab"

― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah "my dad caught me a horseshoe crab / and i asked if throwing it in the sea would bring our luck back"

― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

also wentz really comes into his own as a lyric writer on this record. i love all the lyrics of "disloyal order"

Little girl, you got me staring odd
Or was that just a telescopic camera nod

― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

hah that i thought it was 'called me a horseshoe crab' all these yrs, im an idiot

― johnny crunch, Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

paranoid pete wentz unable to disassociate his relationships from celebrity > pete wentz who hates his girlfriend, definitely, much as i love take this to your grave

― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

never the same person when i go to sleep
as when i wake up
as when i wake up

god this record

― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 03:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

i have a thing for "tiffany blews"

― the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Saturday, 4 February 2012 06:45 (1 year ago) Permalink

"Coffee's for Closers" is really good (although I wish it were actually about Glengarry Glen Ross!). Is the whole album that good? I enjoyed From Under the Cork Tree but haven't kept up with anything since. "This Ain't a Scene..." kind of turned me off.

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 4 February 2012 07:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

"Headfirst Slide..." is my favourite but I love basically everything on this album.

― Tim F, Saturday, 4 February 2012 08:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

anyway best pop-rock record of however many years

― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, February 4, 2012 2:42 AM

^^

Have to rep for "West Coast Smoker"'s thwomping bassline, mix of choral flourishes, hardcore snarl, and Debbie Harry's rasp - "Oh hell yes / I'm a nervous wreck / The drugs just make me reset"; it's probably that or "The (Shipped) Gold Standard" for me. Love "I Don't Care"'s repurposing that line from Nirvana's "Drain You" into a T-Rex style glam stomp.

Why did this album fail commercially / on the radio - bad choice of singles, moment passing, or ...? My editor & I repped really hard for this, but it seemed nobody heard it compared to Cork Tree/Infinity On High.

― etc, Saturday, 4 February 2012 10:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

lyrical passages on this album that i find genuinely affecting, which is kinda weird seeing as they were written by freakin pete wentz

i find them almost more affecting because they were written by freakin pete wentz? the dude's a part-time punchline and he has this finely finely honed ability to capture these moments of being trapped in the tangle of your emotions and your reason and your behaviour and your justifications, and the consciousness of absurdity saves it from being just self-pity.

Why did this album fail commercially / on the radio - bad choice of singles, moment passing, or ...?

there is something dense and close about this album which makes it almost off-putting? 'cork tree' is so light and airy by comparison. but mostly i think it was moment-passing stuff: something else has taken that spot, of being popularly disrespected* and highly beloved.

* you can't even say 'critically underloved' bcz there are people like Maura Johnston etc who've consistently repped, but there is a general alt-rock consensus that this stuff isn't worthy of respect, and that reputation has lasted while the massive crowd of kids who loved it despite have dwindled or moved on.

― marcus junius ubiquitus (c sharp major), Saturday, 4 February 2012 12:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

I get the feeling that e.g. the last MCR album did better than Folie? No evidence to back this up though. I'd just assumed the large generational cohort behind the popularity of their prior two albums would have seen them comfortably coast decent numbers for Folie (cf this Nitsuh column), but no dice.

(ps: DJP to thread! I remember you enjoying Patrick Stump's solo work - did you dip back into FoB?)

― etc, Saturday, 4 February 2012 13:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

Hm, I still think "Coffee's for Closers" is the best thing on here but there's some good stuff. Not sure what to make of the production or some of the stylistic fusions.

Also, this doesn't seem to suggest that this was exactly a commercial failure, at least in the US, although it marked a drop from the sales of the previous albums:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folie_à_Deux_(album)#Weekly_charts

Cork Tree went 2x platinum, Infinity went 1x platinum, and this went gold.

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

(Re drop in sales, I'm guessing other people agreed with me about this:

Not sure what to make of the production or some of the stylistic fusions.)

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

it was a total failure commercially, yeah. if you look at the chart performance of the singles, i feel like there's a really clear arc of them doing well on rock radio, then pop radio too, then rock radio kind of abandoning them as 'too pop' and pop radio moving shortly after, so they went from crossover stars to not particularly welcome on either side of the gap in record time.

but yes, amazing album, still listen to it all the time. will have to think about my vote.

― pfunkbo bryson (some dude), Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:26 (1 year ago) Permalink

"20 dollar nosebleed" is a cool horns & piano pop song

which sort of launches from the style of panic at the disco's pretty. odd / brendan urie guests on that particular track. kind of a neat synergistic fbr moment

― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Friday, February 3, 2012 10:02 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

btw this is bull, it's in the exact same style as the (also great) last song on Infinity, fuck PATD anyway

― pfunkbo bryson (some dude), Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

dude pretty. odd is awesome but okay

― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

i mean yeah that last song on infinity had horns and shit, i just feel "20 dollar nose bleed" way more inhabits a beatles-esque pop thing, a mode that panic were also working in at the time

― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

i just don't want to give PATD credit for anything, h8 them always

although maybe not as much lately as Gym Class Heroes and Cobra Starship. why is Stump like the only Decaydance alumnus that couldn't score a big pop hit last year?

― some dude, Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:44 (1 year ago) Permalink

the cobra starship and gym class heroes records that were practically half-written by stump (viva la cobra and the quilt respectively) are both great, incidentally. and the other half of the quilt is written by terius.

― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

ok we should stay on the topic of FOB, i like you and don't enjoy seeing you suffer the shame of outing yourself as a Travie McCoy stan

― some dude, Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

dude as soon as both bands disentangled from patrick stump production they became irredeemably terrible

― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

dom used to rep hard for this yeah? rip dom. anyway this (and the band) are prob one of my top 10 albums/acts of the 00s

― dayo, Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

dom started the 'infinity on high' thread IIRC

― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 February 2012 19:56 (1 year ago) Permalink

i'm begging you, stop before you say the first Tyga album was 'slept on' (xpost)

― some dude, Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

j0rdan, if you still haven't gotten around to From Under the Cork Tree I will :/ at you.

I mean, Folie a Deux is great and so is Infinity On High (probably better than Cork Tree, esp. at the pop fusion stuff they do here), but it's a three-album-run of greatness. Not two.

― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:20 (1 year ago) Permalink

and this will be a tough call.

― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah i realized yesterday that i still need to do that

― J0rdan S., Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

:/

― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

'the ribbon on my wrist says do not open before christmas'

'we only good 'cause you can have almost famous friends / besides, we've got such good fashion sense'

& other histrionic gems.

it's wentz before he toned it down.

― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

cork tree is cool but it's my least favorite of their albums

― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

also it's totally a four album run

can't think of a pop punk album more tightly constructed than take this to your grave

― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:38 (1 year ago) Permalink

I actually haven't heard take this to your grave

Feel free to :/

― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

:/

― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:41 (1 year ago) Permalink

i still have this on my itunes :S

'what a catch' almost w/o hesitation but now im thinking mb i should relisten to it

― Lamp, Saturday, 4 February 2012 20:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

this is the best FOB they ever did, sort of crushes me that it wasn't the massive massive MASSIVE moneymachine chart hit it deserved to be. love everything on it except for "W.A.M.S" and "west coast smoker". the five-song run from "the (shipped) gold standard" through "tiffany blews" kills me every time. have a hard time picking between "i don't care", "(coffee's for closers)", "27" and "20 dollar nose bleed". but $20 just for the hell of it.

"This Ain't a Scene..." kind of turned me off.

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, February 3, 2012 11:41 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so insane.

― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Sunday, 5 February 2012 03:03 (1 year ago) Permalink

"FOB they" = "thing FOB", or something

― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Sunday, 5 February 2012 03:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

I'm downloading Infinity now.

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 5 February 2012 03:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

infinity and folie are weird in that they both offer up an astonishing pop-crossover attempt right off the bat ("this ain't a scene" and "i don't care") but then tread water for a while and really come into their own only about halfway through (with "thnks fr the mmrs" and "the (shipped) gold standard"). is it that they think the fans expect the more generic stuff and frontload with it for that reason, or that they know they're badass enough to hold their best shit for the home stretch?

― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Sunday, 5 February 2012 03:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

kind of think you're alone in regarding the lead singles as some of the best things on the albums, and i definitely don't understand your view of the running orders in general (although FAD does get really great at the halfway mark)

― some dude, Sunday, 5 February 2012 04:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

"America's Suitehearts" probably could've been big since it's the closest they ever came to rewriting "Sugar, We're Going Down" but god that terrible video

― some dude, Sunday, 5 February 2012 04:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

kind of think you're alone in regarding the lead singles as some of the best things on the albums...

― some dude, Saturday, February 4, 2012 8:22 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well, me and whoever picks lead singles

― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Sunday, 5 February 2012 04:52 (1 year ago) Permalink

you can't even say 'critically underloved' bcz there are people like Maura Johnston etc who've consistently repped

Who apart from Maura/Al (& that ex-Idolator/current-Village Voice kind've crew), critic-wise, repped for this? FoB/MCR/etc seemed like such a huge critical blind spot for the Pitchfork umbrella*, and it's a shame that they're likely to undergo some sort of Hall & Oates**-style period of neglect before getting their dues.

* twentysomethings disdaining "teenage" music, etc
** good reference point for Patrick Stump, actuallly

― etc, Monday, 6 February 2012 09:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

I repped for it but got onto the album too late to pitch to pitchfork; and I'm guessing scott p would have been conscious about running a late review and what that would have been perceived to mean, if I had pitched anyway.

― Tim F, Monday, 6 February 2012 09:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah i mean i was one of the 6 voters the album got in Pazz & Jop in '08, which is more votes than a lot of albums got but by no means a major groundswell, and of course you have to play the 'what if' game with an album that dropped in mid-December

― some dude, Monday, 6 February 2012 12:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

also one of the other voters (not Tim) writes for Pitchfork! but i really think they never would've run a review no matter who pitched it when, that's how they roll for better or worse

― some dude, Monday, 6 February 2012 12:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

― System, Friday, 10 February 2012 00:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

man, "she's my wynona" sticks in my head like nobody's business

― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Friday, 10 February 2012 00:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

Would it be fair to say that this was FOB's Hysteria (in artistic, not commercial, terms)?

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 10 February 2012 02:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

voted 'What A Catch' because the hook in that chorus, and Stump's vox...the whole thing still slays me.

and I get such a huge kick out of the arc of those 4 albums. Cork and Infinity kind of blend together for me, and then Grave and Folie are the nice raw/polished bookends. Love me some FOB.

― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 10 February 2012 02:37 (1 year ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

― System, Saturday, 11 February 2012 00:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

wtf is this turnout

― johnny crunch, Saturday, 11 February 2012 00:07 (1 year ago) Permalink

:,(

― Little GTFO (contenderizer), Saturday, 11 February 2012 00:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

I forgot to vote, I think

― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Saturday, 11 February 2012 00:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

saddest poll ever

― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 11 February 2012 00:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

I can't remember if I voted now! I thought I did. (However, I've been playing this almost constantly since I downloaded it. So the thread was definitely not a waste.)

Did two other people vote for "Coffee's for Closers"?

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 11 February 2012 02:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

i voted 'coffees 4 closers'

couldve easily voted 'headfirst slide' & cant blieve it got 0 votes

― johnny crunch, Saturday, 11 February 2012 02:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

yah put me down for headfirst slide

― http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Saturday, 11 February 2012 02:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

i also thought i voted for "coffee's for closers"

― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 11 February 2012 05:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

but maybe i forgot to vote because i don't know anymore

― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Saturday, 11 February 2012 05:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah me too -- idk ilx polls can get wonky imo or else i just almost always forget to vote

― J0rdan S., Saturday, 11 February 2012 05:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

i've been listening to 'cork tree' this week... cool record, def like it less than the two that followed tho. it's funny to hear them so pop punk, like some drum sounds that could be on a blink record, and then there's these two MASSIVE singles. "nobody puts baby in the corner" is my favorite song even tho it has some o__O lyrics all over the place... esp the outro

― J0rdan S., Saturday, 11 February 2012 05:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

or i guess it's a bridge

― J0rdan S., Saturday, 11 February 2012 05:35 (1 year ago) Permalink

I really like Infinity the more I listen to it...everything sounds so big & meaty

― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 11 February 2012 05:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

thx tthread for making me listen to and enjoy this rec, jerks

― bear, bear, bear, Sunday, 19 February 2012 14:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

anyway it's p sweet who knew not me

― bear, bear, bear, Sunday, 19 February 2012 14:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

cheerz

― illuminati girl (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 19 February 2012 14:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

your welcome

― Whiney vs. (BradNelson), Sunday, 19 February 2012 22:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

best album

― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Saturday, 15 September 2012 19:36 (8 months ago) Permalink

yup

― J0rdan S., Saturday, 15 September 2012 19:38 (8 months ago) Permalink

yep

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 15 September 2012 20:17 (8 months ago) Permalink

uh huh

― i know your nuts hurt! who's laughing? (contenderizer), Saturday, 15 September 2012 20:47 (8 months ago) Permalink

^^^

― Tim F, Sunday, 16 September 2012 04:16 (8 months ago) Permalink

Yet another album I never would have listened to without ILM.

― MikoMcha, Sunday, 16 September 2012 12:45 (8 months ago) Permalink

I still kind of have mixed feelings about it though.

― MikoMcha, Sunday, 16 September 2012 12:46 (8 months ago) Permalink

blows my mind that there's a rock song w/ Lil Wayne on it that's actually pretty great

― nutrition aziz (some dude), Sunday, 16 September 2012 12:47 (8 months ago) Permalink

Jay-Z intro to Infinity On High is another awesome/bizarre moment...

― MikoMcha, Sunday, 16 September 2012 12:50 (8 months ago) Permalink

that Jay cameo being so awkward and half-assed is the reason why the Wayne cameo surprised me

― nutrition aziz (some dude), Sunday, 16 September 2012 12:57 (8 months ago) Permalink

― barthes simpson, Sunday, 16 September 2012 13:00 (8 months ago) Permalink

― nutrition aziz (some dude), Sunday, 16 September 2012 13:03 (8 months ago) Permalink

Well yeah, the Wayne cameo is obviously far superior.

I only realized this morning that Pharrell produced Folie à Deux.

― MikoMcha, Sunday, 16 September 2012 13:04 (8 months ago) Permalink

he only did "w.a.m.s."

― nutrition aziz (some dude), Sunday, 16 September 2012 13:27 (8 months ago) Permalink

Pretty great Debbie Harry AND Lil Wayne cameos on this (compared to, I guess, Liza Minnelli turning up on Black Parade?)

― etc, Sunday, 16 September 2012 13:30 (8 months ago) Permalink

he only did "w.a.m.s."

Ah, OK. You're right. I was reading an old review of the record this morning that seemed to imply he did the whole thing.

― MikoMcha, Sunday, 16 September 2012 13:45 (8 months ago) Permalink

it was an extreme pleasure to discover the two "new" tracks on the believers never die comp, which i had never listened to before, are as good as anything on folie

― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Thursday, 25 April 2013 14:26 (3 weeks ago) Permalink