selective c&p-ing from the bobbins thread:
I'm posting this here, rather than the NNF thread: 100% Silk Mix for Wow Magazine.
01. I Can Feel the Heat - MAGIC TOUCH02. What?? - PHARAOHS03. High Reflection - OCTO OCTA04. Wet Devil - SFV ACID05. Milk N Honey - SIR STEPHEN06. Queens - ITAL07. Shadow Disco - INNERGAZE08. Kyrie Eleison - MARIA MINERVA09. Trickle - CUTICLE10. I - GILLETTE
Kind of wish it was actually beat-mixed, rather than crossfaded one track to another, but still offers a nice overview of the label.
― MikoMcha, Tuesday, October 4, 2011 5:11 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark
Really feeling the Octo Octa EP, even if Ciara vocal samples have well and truly been done to death.
― ha ha ha ha jack my swag (boxedjoy), Tuesday, October 4, 2011 2:36 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark
have almost started a hipster house thread sooo many times cause i duno where to talk about 100% silk, miracles club, xander harris and all the other noise ppl that jumped on this trend
new mi ami stuff and the solo magic touch/ital releases are great if you have a tolerance for this type of thing
― it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Wednesday, October 5, 2011 2:01 AM (13 hours ago) Bookmark
The funny thing is that 100% Silk et. al. most definitely give off this vibe of hipster something, but i'm not sure if it's more because of their outsidery status or the fact that their revivalism has that crucial sense of artifact-fetishism, or somehow those two things intertwining with each other, or...
But in this and several other senses they're basically 2011's IDIB, right?
― Tim F, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 2:57 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i AM feeling stuff like ITAL but like delia & gavin or whatnot it doesn't really "work" in a techno / house set except in the loosest way
i think it is *related* to house and techno but distinct enough that it might deserve a different thread
― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Wednesday, October 5, 2011 3:21 PM (38 seconds ago) Bookmark
this has been going on for a few years now, especially in the 20 jazz funk greats / altered zones sphere of influence, but it seems to be making some serious inroads on the west coast in the last year or so (tho i guess i can only speak to this wrt sf and portland): former noise artists and others with post-indie sensibilities picking up drum machines and taking a stab at house and techno. this stuff ranges from more primitive/diffuse experimentation like cuticle and the deeep, to 80s horror-sdtk influenced stuff like steve moore and xander harris, to acid house revivalism like miracles club and soft metals, to futuristic piano house cuts by ital, magic touch and octo octa.
100% silk is an offshoot of not not fun records, and both are based out of la, so i'm thinking it probably has some influence down there too. also oberlin seems to have something to do with all this, at least in the form of merok records / teengirl fantasy / blondes. and something about me wants to throw dc stuff like the l.i.e.s. and future times labels into all this, but that stuff seems to be accepted as more 'legit' within the dance community for some reason? i definitely agree with what tim was talking about, how it absolutely comes off as 'hipstery' but the reasons why are hard to pin down
anyways, let's keep this out of bobbins cause it is definitely it's own 'thing'
― it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 22:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
beat it with that hipster trash
― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 22:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
here are some youtubes for reference:
― it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 22:45 (1 year ago) Permalink
There's been some talk on the Not Not Fun thread as well. It's pretty easy to draw lines from say other acts on NNF to the house-inflected material, also some of the projects Gavin Russom has been involved in (Black Meteoric Star, No Fun Acid). Most of the time it seems to be noise/avant artists trying their hand at dance rather than dance artists trying their hand at noise, which is I guess why it codes as "hipster" and a lot of it would sound odd in a club.
I haven't kept up with all the 100% Silk releases, but "Ital's Theme" is a track I've been playing a lot recently:
― psychedelicatessen (seandalai), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 22:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
i dunno man but that octo octa sleeve is gorgeous.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 22:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
i like the idea of a more diy/release-heavy approach to dance music. plus, this stuff is dfa-level cheap on vinyl in the us
and yeah, gavin russom to thread for sure. pictureplane probably belong here someplace too
these dudes opened for optimo in sf recently and a good time was had by all:
(miami dolphins GET IT???)
― it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 22:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
Wouldn't Pictureplane be a bit too silly (that's a description not a diss) and indebted to stuff like rave and jungle for this group?
― Tim F, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 22:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
Also, some of these artists aren't just releasing hipster house - the Xander Harris album is standard NNF tropical Italo dub iirc.
― psychedelicatessen (seandalai), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 22:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
the XH album is like that for sure but the single on 100% silk is different and pretty rad imo. and yes pictureplane is p silly, it's probably useful to establish some boundaries here lol
― it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 22:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
ha ha ha imagine someone saying "standard tropical italo dub" in 1994
― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:00 (1 year ago) Permalink
i see a few connections to IDIB but i see the real spiritual successor to IDIB in soft metals. this stuff is a little more out there. anyways, here is my favorite hipster-house song and video
― fennel cartwright, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
whiney is gonna frickin hate it
― fennel cartwright, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
(^ that ital track is posted upthread too, with sexy 100% silk jacket. when i saw him live he introduced it with "here's a little something i wrote for you guys..." or something along those lines)
for whatever reason the progression of honey owens is v interesting to me and telling of this scene in general: starts out in experimental noise collective jackie o motherfucker, moves on to ethereal droney stuff as valet, then decides to cover mr fingers tunes as miracles club
― it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
xp - my point was just that some of these artists have a dilettantish approach to house material, they only sometimes put on their house hat.
― psychedelicatessen (seandalai), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
yea everything about this thread is whiney bait tbf
― it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah daniel martin-mccormick has a cool progression too. i still like mi ami the best but his ital detour is pretty fun
― fennel cartwright, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
hmmm i don't want to diss a female electronic artist but imho honey owens getting into mr fingers tunes might be down to the adam forkner connection, he's been doing synth-heavy stuff for like 5 years now
― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
valet >>> miracles club, too
― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
speaking of valet, nobody replied to this: honey owens / adam forkner free folk power couple appreciation thread
― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
idk i was asking forkner at what the heck fest about house/techno/if he djed at all and he pretty much avoided the question, then proceeded to stand behind the dj booth all night at the local bar where some k-rec's ppl were djing, twiddling knobs and acting v interested (and i recently saw that him and calvin johnson are starting to do some dance night at holocene together wtf). he's doing 90s rnb revival stuff as purple and green now tho, which is interesting for different reasons (also the singer is amazing)
― it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
oh yeah, i dunno if elite gymnastics fully qualifies as hipster-house but they're in that ballpark i think.
it might just be a good idea to lump all DIS magazine stuff into "hipster-house"
― fennel cartwright, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:13 (1 year ago) Permalink
but yeah i really like the two valet records, and the last song on the 2nd album definitely hints at this direction
― it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
― it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:16 (1 year ago) Permalink
a lot of this stuff just reeeeeeeeeeeeks of portland
i guess someone who used to be in glass candy is involved w/that, to make the connection to idib even more obvious
― it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
feel like first-wave IDIB is absolutely the antecedent of 100% silk in every applicable sense, johnny jewel from glass candy started out making noise/drone as twenty-six and iirc used to brag in interviews about palling around with wolf eyes, pretty much blazing the trail from noise/lo-fi to dance that many of the people named itt are currently following
easy to look at 100% silk as filling the void IDIB left when glass candy and chromatics went on hiatus and the label mostly just put out nu-disco 12s that could have just as easily come out on dfa or permanent vacation, wouldn't be surprised if that's how they saw themselves, glass candy and jewel's solo "mystery producer" mirage singles seem like the template for so much of it
― james brooks, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
i guess to some extent the early dfa connections to no wave / black dice / six finger sattelite are the beginnings of this template, and i have no doubts that you could reach much further back than that if you wanted to.
but yeah, james brooks otm
― it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
another thing that had me torn is when i read about ital's production technique
part of me is like whoa, that's really cool, but part of me is like, why? and then all of me answers its because someone spent a lot of time in critique sessions talking about *process*
― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
where did you read about that? i am curious (he kept deliberately unplugging the cord from the headphone jack at the aforementioned show, aiming for sooome type of effect i presume but it sounded awful and everyone was just sorta confused)
― it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
what's his production technique like?
― Darren Huckerby (Dwight Yorke), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:01 (1 year ago) Permalink
Surely 100% Silk is the house to IDIB's disco? The Silk stuff is far more trackier. And I'm just going to throw in the Invisible Conga People are easily my favourite act from this axis.
― Jedmond, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
Ital's production technique is discussed here: http://www.littlewhiteearbuds.com/podcast/lwe-podcast-97-ital/
― Jedmond, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
I think IDIB is more connected to 70s and 80s disco and early house/techno, whereas this stuff is a further rooted in the 90s when house and techno were more established.
That video for Miracles Club "Church Song" looks so much fun, one for the "videos I want to live inside of" thread. It was the song I was dancing around my kitchen too a few weeks ago when I accidentally broke a glass and stood on it, so now it has a bittersweet connotation for me.
Can we also join the dots between this stuff and: "My Girls"; Delorean; Sincerely Yours (the record label); John Talabot?
― ha ha ha ha jack my swag (boxedjoy), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:05 (1 year ago) Permalink
alexis blair penney is worth checking out too- pretty embedded in the aunt charlies queen scene in sf, most of her album is being produced by teengirl fantasy, this remix is p nice imo
fellow ilxor sanfrandisco is working with her on something too (hope it's ok to mention that!)
― it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:10 (1 year ago) Permalink
i wish some of these artists would take mastering and pressing quality a little more seriously as they often sound dreadful on a club system.
― stirmonster, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:17 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah i mean i didn't mean to imply that 100% silk was just a rote continuation of the exact music IDIB started out releasing, more just like picking up the ball that IDIB sorta dropped when they turned into a comparatively standard-issue nu-disco/edits label
always got the sense that glass candy/chromatics really resisted any attempts to be connected to the larger context of what else was going on in music at the time, refusing for example to allow official remixes or cooperate with warp or dfa or any of the other labels that were absolutely pursuing them
sorta feel like maybe anyone who was a fan of theirs that followed that worldview would have valued not the fact that they referenced disco but that they approached dance music in general from a point of view that was more in line with the ethos of noise/punk/DIY music than anything people actually played in clubs
like to think of 100% silk as those people, who maybe always assumed IDIB would continue to explore that approach and follow the natural progression of influences from 80's disco to 90's house, and ended up deciding to do it themselves once it became clear IDIB wasn't ever going to get around to it
― james brooks, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
I didn't meant to suggest otherwise - just to point out how 100% provide a continuum in more than just one way.
― Jedmond, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:30 (1 year ago) Permalink
it's probably deliberate in some examples but that doesn't make this point any less valid
― it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
i wish all artists would take mastering and pressing quality a little more seriously as they often sound dreadful full stop
― the men who stare at gotye (electricsound), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:35 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah absolutely, amanda brown even sounds enough like ida no on some of those recent la vampires collaborative EPs that they almost function as elseworlds alternate universe glass candy singles that plug different influences into the same basic approach for kicks
― james brooks, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:37 (1 year ago) Permalink
I'm actually a little hesitant to almost dismiss stuff like the artists on 100% Silk with a name like "hipster house" (not that that was necessarily the intention here)... that area involves your more psych-y/post-drone types... who for my take tend to be a little more involved and experimental than the usual "LOLindies-going-____".
besides, the psychedelic tendency to mess with the form is a way things can mutate and evolve, so I'm kinda feeling it, actually. Maria Minerva is one of my favorite things out there right now
― Chris S, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
those maria minerva releases sound a lot like nite jewel with worse recording equipment
i think a lot of ppl in this thread (me too obv) are 'feeling it', so i do apologize for a potentially pejorative term. but it is effective, no?
― it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
throwing a dash of the h-word in the title of any thread is a proven recipe for getting a lot posts
― it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
Well "The indie end of the noise spectrum having a go at house thread" is a bit banal for a title.
― Jedmond, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:48 (1 year ago) Permalink
i really like the magic touch 12", but i am a huge jonas reinhardt fan so
― the men who stare at gotye (electricsound), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:51 (1 year ago) Permalink
i know and have had pleasant, friendly interactions with a lot of these ppl so i can only hope the term wouldn't piss them off (it probably would to a degree but it's all in the name of META). i *do* want this stuff to take off tho because it is one of the only things i care much about in the musical world of pdx (besides mississippi records of course)
― it's time for the purpculator (psychgawsple), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
i think the point I was trying to make in my earlier post (quoted in the question for this thread) is that this stuff codes as "hipster" in ways that I'm almost tempted to call objective - rather than the kind of pedigree-based "oh this person is a poser"/"lolindie" implication of the word which can only ever be relational to the speaker.
Objective significations of hipsterism in this material:
1) faux-period sleeve art;
2) faux-period monikers (not "Teengirl Fantasy" which is hipster in a different way, but definitely "100% Silk", "Miracles Club", "Magic Touch", "Ital"); and
3) notwithstanding (1) and (2), an air (sonically and discursively) of distance from the very things that (1) and (2) mimic, not superiority or even necessarily straight sonic differentiation, rather a sense that the original artifact is defined by its aura of inacessibility and unreproduceability - a time of lost innocence etc. etc.
basically 100% Silk : early house :: Stereolab : space age bachelor pad music.
― Tim F, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:03 (1 year ago) Permalink
― Tim F, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:04 (1 year ago) Permalink
its okay to be a hipster guys
― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:06 (1 year ago) Permalink
yeah, for sure, guess I just wanted to note the distinction since I'm see a lot of merit in some of the stuff, and 'hipster' does have its connotations... but yeah I see where you're coming from. xxxxpost
― Chris S, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:07 (1 year ago) Permalink
stop putting Panda Bear on your albums people
― Number None, Sunday, 19 August 2012 21:37 (9 months ago) Permalink
i've never really understood that whole opinion— the track on the new TGF is pretty good, and his appearance on "Black Noise" was quite awesome. to me it just seems like generic "OMG some hipster guy invading my precious sub-genre" bullshit.
― for reasons of sass (the table is the table), Sunday, 19 August 2012 21:42 (9 months ago) Permalink
i don't have a problem with PB in Animal Collective. I just don't think he adds anything as a guest vocalist
― Number None, Sunday, 19 August 2012 21:45 (9 months ago) Permalink
OTOH that Talabot track with the dude from Delorean would probably better with PB.
― Tim F, Sunday, 19 August 2012 22:09 (9 months ago) Permalink
"OMG some hipster guy invading my precious sub-genre" bullshit
i don't want any hipsters in my hipster house, thanks
is anyone else into this innergaze album?
not really house at all but who cares, this is great
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Monday, 20 August 2012 19:20 (9 months ago) Permalink
ha I thought "innergaze" was some new genre.
― skip, Tuesday, 21 August 2012 18:38 (9 months ago) Permalink
yeah its crazy good posted about it elsewhere on ilm tho
― Lamp, Tuesday, 21 August 2012 19:34 (9 months ago) Permalink
where? was it in your forest thread or w/e, i haven't had time to do much other than check bookmarks lately
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 03:00 (8 months ago) Permalink
yeah, probably, i just remember posting about it
― Lamp, Wednesday, 22 August 2012 03:31 (8 months ago) Permalink
i'm listening to minimal wave on a sunny day and ... fuck, it's actually kind of cool?
songs like this have not only a cool detroit techno flashback vibe but also a "computer incantations for world peace", hardly as dark-sounding in the right context as people make it out to be, more mystical than anything else
sampled by madlib i believe for this gem
― the late great, Friday, 21 September 2012 20:27 (8 months ago) Permalink
ha I just listened to Minimal Wave Tapes last night. this track I had never noticed before really stuck out.
vocals are deadpan but has a pop element to it too, in the call and response. and the breathier female parts remind me of something really specific that I can't put my finger on. cool song.
― dmr, Friday, 21 September 2012 20:35 (8 months ago) Permalink
she did a great job with those comps, they're really good
i know what you mean! the part at 1:00 sounds EXACTLY like something else
― the late great, Friday, 21 September 2012 20:37 (8 months ago) Permalink
some italo thing like sharevari
― the late great, Friday, 21 September 2012 20:39 (8 months ago) Permalink
madlib also used
guess he built that track around minimal wave tapes 1
― the late great, Saturday, 22 September 2012 10:00 (7 months ago) Permalink
Loving that Oppenheimer Analysis album, thanks for the heads up here
― skip, Sunday, 23 September 2012 15:06 (7 months ago) Permalink
there's not like the finest line between that and this
― the late great, Sunday, 23 September 2012 15:12 (7 months ago) Permalink
Getting a bit of a Saint Etienne Foxbase Alpha vibe from the new LA Vampires/Maria Minerva record. Nice album:
― MikoMcha, Sunday, 18 November 2012 12:26 (6 months ago) Permalink
Also, has the new Ital Dream On been mentioned? Another interesting release from him.
― MikoMcha, Sunday, 18 November 2012 12:30 (6 months ago) Permalink
that maria/la vampires record is so good.
― Heterocyclic ring ring (LocalGarda), Sunday, 18 November 2012 13:07 (6 months ago) Permalink
there is a nice little scene germinating in my city (vancouver). was at a delightful party last night. here's the promo mix they did for it. all local artists!
― fennel cartwright, Sunday, 25 November 2012 20:17 (5 months ago) Permalink
So, what's the best of this stuff in 2012? I've not really kept up. I liked the first Ital LP but now I see there's another one. The Maria Minerva / LA Vampires sound interesting, I'll check that out - what with all my SE love.
― kraudive, Sunday, 25 November 2012 21:44 (5 months ago) Permalink
i'm digging the new holly herndon full length on RVNG
the album drifts between minimalist noise composition and more uptempo moments like the track above
not sure if there's a rational reason to put it in this thread, but i'm not really sure where else i'd put it so
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Sunday, 25 November 2012 22:06 (5 months ago) Permalink
Really feeling that Holly Herndon album, it's like the Laurel Halo one if it was as easy to listen to as it is to admire.
― boxedjoy, Monday, 26 November 2012 10:47 (5 months ago) Permalink
i found that laurel halo album unbelievably disappointing so maybe ms herndon is the lass for me
― monotony, Monday, 26 November 2012 13:14 (5 months ago) Permalink
laurel halo album is so bad lol
― flopson, Monday, 26 November 2012 16:04 (5 months ago) Permalink
I really don't understand Ital; either of the releases this year. I kind of want to though... It does really nothing for me :-/
― make like a steak and beef (dog latin), Monday, 26 November 2012 16:05 (5 months ago) Permalink
not feeling the minimal vocal pieces i've hear4d from that herndon record, it sounds like someone playing around with ableton pitch-shift in a really unadorned and unappealing way.
Ital is great. i really like the analog texture, and the sense of hardware machines interacting and not being quantized together (whether or not he actually uses hardware & tape, i don't know).
― have a sandwich or ice cream sandwich (Jordan), Monday, 26 November 2012 16:25 (5 months ago) Permalink
I heard it's all done in Audacity (a bit like Burial), which is formidable if true, but I'm just not sure I can get my head around the aesthetic. The idea of it being house you can't dance to, or home-listening electronica that sounds like dance music, well it frustrates me. I guess there's loads of music that could come under this banner, but the Ital albums seem like they've been purposefully created to be jarring in a lot of ways and it just comes off unpleasant. I can neither dance around to it nor space out and enjoy the sounds. That said I have a feeling it's perhaps a matter of things "clicking" into place for me.
― make like a steak and beef (dog latin), Monday, 26 November 2012 16:37 (5 months ago) Permalink
i really like this octo octa from earlier this year: http://soundcloud.com/mixmag-1/octo-octa-oh-love
― jabba hands, Friday, 30 November 2012 16:01 (5 months ago) Permalink
dog that surprises me cause aren't you like mr idm?!?
― the late great, Friday, 30 November 2012 16:54 (5 months ago) Permalink
ital is great, im not really into the new one atm but wtvr
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 30 November 2012 16:55 (5 months ago) Permalink
I saw Holly Herndon perform last night. I don't know if I'd group it with this discussion/hipster house, if we were to define hipster house as having distinct CHICAGO references/genesis. More of a someone coming out of experimental type stuff into a minimal thing. I suppose you could group her with this if you want, but at this point every new band has some sort of 4/4 dance thing going on, so that definition would get pretty loose.
Her set was cut short however because Large Professor and RZA wanted to go on. Also performing was Driphouse, Forma and Mas Ysa. It was some sort of clusterfuck in the financial district thrown so the Motherboard blog/site of/from Vice could celebrate itself. Large Prof wasn't billed so that was a weird surprise.
― dan selzer, Friday, 30 November 2012 17:39 (5 months ago) Permalink
Sounds like a strange event! Great artists though.
― MikoMcha, Friday, 30 November 2012 18:30 (5 months ago) Permalink
yea i didn't really feel like starting a 'holly herndon' thread so i brought it up here. i guess mostly because she embodies that experimental music / house music dichotomy. but loads of music does that so w/e
we should make a thread where we can talk about newer east coast stuff on labels like rvng or l.i.e.s. or even (to tempt fate) pittsburgh track authority
i made a future times thread but it never really caught on
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Saturday, 1 December 2012 02:34 (5 months ago) Permalink
i wonder would jamal moss fit in that thread too?
― the late great, Saturday, 1 December 2012 04:16 (5 months ago) Permalink
I almost brought this up before but figured it'd open a can of worms and maybe I'd get shit for it, but maybe I can coin another genre (if you recall I'm partially responsible for "beardo") and suggest simply post-house. To me, it makes a lot of sense. As something of a post-punk expert, I'm often explaining the obvious and less obvious sources of that term, generally you're talking about people coming out of punk and pushing it's envelope with these other influences (disco, funk, dub, krautrock, prog mostly), but the term later came to also describe acts that existed along with punk, and even before it. So wrap your brain around a concept like calling Pere Ubu or Television "post-punk" when, in an earlier and more obvious history, they are bands that helped invent punk, but in hindsight and in consideration of the "sound" of punk and the associations of post-punk, that makes sense.
So....post-house describes people coming out of conventional dance contexts and bringing in other influences (noise, krautrock/cosmische) etc, or acts coming from other genres into dance music and bringing their baggage. Now this brings up another discussion, which goes back to the beginnings of this thread, about authenticity (in sound). Someone coming out of post-punk/indie-rock or whatever making dance music that easily slotted into the mainstream of underground dance music, even while bending the form a little bit, wouldn't necessarily fit, but if they don't slot in easily, either because they're not competent enough to perfectly emulate chicago/detroit/etc(which is not a bad thing!) or because they bring something else to the table altogether different, then they do.
So a lot of the nu-disco stuff of the 2000s for instance, I wouldn't call "post-house" because they were producers reworking/reintroducing past dance forms...stretching the envelope a bit at times, reviving sounds, mixing up styles etc, but not breaking the mold.
Of course a lot of the stuff we've discussed in this thread fit that idea. I haven't heard enough of it all and don't like naming names anyway, and we discussed this when the thread started, but there's people emulating in a purely revival sound, and there's stuff that is something else alltogether...often they're the same labels, the same people, even the same 12", so who wants to bother breaking all that down.
Am I making any sense or is that just stupid? It makes sense to me. Of course we can all say "why bother trying to label anything, man" but you know what, it's fun and some of us get off on these kinds of discussions and if you don't, you can ignore or disagree but don't bother saying "don't label us bro" because you're gonna get labeled and maybe it's best to own it. In any case, a term like Post-House, as in post-punk, is not a value judgement but an understanding of shifts and trends.
I'm sorry, I don't really care this much, just rambling on putting off doing some other stuff, like making some post-house.
― dan selzer, Saturday, 1 December 2012 05:02 (5 months ago) Permalink
and let me beat anyone to the punch by saying, I've got your Post-House right here...
― dan selzer, Saturday, 1 December 2012 05:04 (5 months ago) Permalink
if you recall I'm partially responsible for "beardo"
new name up for grabs
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Saturday, 1 December 2012 07:43 (5 months ago) Permalink
― the late great, Saturday, 1 December 2012 07:58 (5 months ago) Permalink
'Post house' makes sense, especially when applied to Ital. TLG - i agree it's strange I should be making these complaints as an IDM head, but somehow I have trouble mapping this stuff onto the same values as Warp-style artists. This record is shamblingly scruffy in every way - sometimes it stumbles into the sublime, but more often keels over into incompetency. Most of the time it walks this tightrope over both of them.In a way I guess this guy is approaching noise music from a dance perspective, a bit like Black Dice have more recently doing vice versa. But I'm just having trouble parsing it - I should like it on these terms, but there's just something unpleasant and sickly, maybe something about the overall frequency of the record (lots of grainy midrange) that I seem to have an aversion to.
― make like a steak and beef (dog latin), Saturday, 1 December 2012 09:35 (5 months ago) Permalink
live right now #!
― caek, Friday, 15 February 2013 06:52 (3 months ago) Permalink
Teengirl Fantasy live tonight at the Brooklyn Museum of Art. Also the hipster disco band Midnight Magic and the hipster DJ Dan Selzer. Also custom nail art inspired by work in the museum. Sponsored by hipster online "radio" station VIva Radio.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 16 May 2013 14:11 (5 days ago) Permalink
That reminds me, this track:
― MikoMcha, Thursday, 16 May 2013 15:22 (5 days ago) Permalink
I dig some of the Pharaohs stuff. I think one ep on ESP? Speaking of which, my favorite new school house/techno dude somewhat of this ilk is Young Marco. Maybe I mentioned that already. 2 12"s I think on ESP, he's the house designer for Rush Hour I think? His stuff has that pretty techno vibe I love.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 16 May 2013 15:30 (5 days ago) Permalink
Oh yeah, that Young Marco mix is really great from the mixes thread.
― MikoMcha, Thursday, 16 May 2013 15:33 (5 days ago) Permalink
Yeah it's amazing. The Boiler Room set is cool too.
― ... (LocalGarda), Thursday, 16 May 2013 15:35 (5 days ago) Permalink
This has been my retro house jam recently:
(Longer album version on Spotify is even better)
― scintilla (seandalai), Thursday, 16 May 2013 16:05 (5 days ago) Permalink
the coyote cleanup album is pretty good, silk fans. stream here:
― ... (LocalGarda), Friday, 17 May 2013 13:42 (4 days ago) Permalink
new octo octa streaming : D
― cholo naco y super gallo (wolves lacan), Monday, 20 May 2013 14:43 (Yesterday) Permalink
Really enjoyed the Pharaohs album while walking home from work in the sun today.
― boxedjoy, Monday, 20 May 2013 22:18 (Yesterday) Permalink