Rustie - Glass Swords

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Debut of the year?

Number None, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 09:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

Some track previews
http://soundcloud.com/rustie

Number None, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 09:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

i don't get why i couldn't start this. i hate technology SO MUCH.

anyway this is what i wanted to post:

AND U KNOW I WANNA RIDE OUT // Rustie - Glass Swords (Oct 2011)

i've been stupid busy at conferences of late, and this b2b on the new rustie album has been a) keeping my energy levels up rushing between events b) making me feel inappropriately ravey when i get to meetings. double drop:

the whole album is like that :D

lex pretend, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 09:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

it kind of renders everything Hudson Mohawke has done irrelevant

Number None, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 09:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

In fairness everything Hudson Mohawke has done is already irrelevant.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 09:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

they are working in very similar modes though. Rustie is just a lot better.

Number None, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 09:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

I wasn't really sure about Ultra Thizz, it kind of felt like he was deliriously throwing in as many euphoric signifiers as possible without any regard to build or groove or anything. I admire his enthusiasm but... icing needs cake.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 27 September 2011 09:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

^yeah this is something like what I think about my less favoured parts of the album - on the dance partisans thread I said that it just reminded me of millennial chart trance - which I don't think is entirely merit-free (and has obviously had some of its tropes revived in the last few years) but imo he doesn't do it that well

the great bits of the album are... great

the wrong terry to fuckwit (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 11:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

aw c'mon guys, hudson mohawke has his thing too.

hardcore oatmeal (Jordan), Tuesday, 27 September 2011 12:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Dude evidently plays a lot of Nintendo and eats a lot of sugar, right?

Matt DC, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 10:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

This sort of minimal-attention-span nonsense has kind of awakened the question of what horrors we'd have got had Warp artists tried to make drill'n'trance a thing 10 years ago.

A bit like drill and bass it's kind of baseline enjoyable in its silliness and shameless rushiness but beat-wise and groove-wise it's completely functionally useless as dance music.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 10:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't think it's actually trying to be dance music though. It is kind of a puzzler in that i'm not sure "how" to listen to the album, but i still love it

Number None, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 10:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

idk, i think most of the highlights on this album seem made for the dancefloor

lex pretend, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 13:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

Belated thanks to Number None for starting this thread and thereby making me aware of this record. Have enjoyed immensely.

pandemic, Thursday, 13 October 2011 16:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think youre missing the point if you think this is unfocused or minimal attention span, I'd say the whole thing works as a very singular concept and whilst not totally linear its not got the floor clearing smugness that characterises drill and bass. Best Dance album since Sheds last

straightola, Friday, 14 October 2011 15:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

idk, i think most of the highlights on this album seem made for the dancefloor

But the grooves and beats that should underpin this sort of stuff just aren't there. Maybe it's the halfstep beats and/or the fact that Rustie's coming from a dubstep lineage but I dunno, it feels like this music is standing in the middle of the dancefloor making manic largin' it hand gestures rather than actually dancing.

Matt DC, Friday, 14 October 2011 15:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

i wouldn't know how to dance to it but i've seen it done. rustie doesn't come from a dubstep lineage though. there isn't much of that lineage in glasgow.

stirmonster, Friday, 14 October 2011 17:48 (2 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, he's pretty keen to distance himself from the dubstep label in interviews

Number None, Friday, 14 October 2011 17:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

the hot beats juxtaposed against the over-the-top rave & '80s synth sounds is a big part of what makes it work for me. if it was a four-on-the-floor record, it would probably tip over into schlock.

hardcore oatmeal (Jordan), Friday, 14 October 2011 17:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

I am very excited about seeing Rustie, in Glasgow, tonight, what with this being out and him being a Glasgow native and all that.

ha ha ha ha jack my swag (boxedjoy), Friday, 14 October 2011 18:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

Report back on the amount/style of dancing

Number None, Friday, 14 October 2011 18:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

This sort of minimal-attention-span nonsense has kind of awakened the question of what horrors we'd have got had Warp artists tried to make drill'n'trance a thing 10 years ago.

A bit like drill and bass it's kind of baseline enjoyable in its silliness and shameless rushiness but beat-wise and groove-wise it's completely functionally useless as dance music.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, October 12, 2011 5:16 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark

i'm enjoying this album but after reading matt's post i'd been expecting something really CRAZY and INTENSE and SCHIZOPHRENIC and it's really not? like what makes this "minimal-attention-span"? i guess the tracks are on the shorter side?

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 20 October 2011 16:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

agreed, most of the tracks have song-like structures that are very logical.

hardcore oatmeal (Jordan), Thursday, 20 October 2011 17:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

i wouldn't know how to dance to it but i've seen it done. rustie doesn't come from a dubstep lineage though. there isn't much of that lineage in glasgow.

― stirmonster, Friday, 14 October 2011 18:48 (6 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Yeah, he's pretty keen to distance himself from the dubstep label in interviews

― Number None, Friday, 14 October 2011 18:50 (6 days ago) Bookmark

<3 rustie

nakhchivan, Thursday, 20 October 2011 17:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

some excellent writing about this album:

http://www.dummymag.com/reviews/2011/10/24/rustie-glass-swords/

lex pretend, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 10:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

This is probably closer to people like Crystal Castles and Justice than it is to dubstep, yeah.

It's good music to play Mario Kart to, I have discovered.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 10:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

Listened to the first three tracks from this in a shop on Monday. Must say I was fairly blown away. That Dummy mag description is the most accurate I've read so far. Have now ordered the CD.

Jeff W, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 14:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

nice review, and it totally seems like rustie and hudmo are having fun trying to one-up each other. i don't hear it as a difficult listen at all though, it's pure pleasure.

this is unusual for batman. (Jordan), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 14:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

agree with "emotive love letter" from that review, and wish the writer had expanded on that a bit. the primary appeal for me is the pathos of all the ravey flourishes.

lukas, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 15:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

WOW...just fucking WOW !!!

beat-wise and groove-wise it's completely functionally useless as dance music.

bad workmen always blame their tools.

if you can't dance to this, you probably just can't dance

meat to pleased you (flame grilled meat), Thursday, 27 October 2011 04:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

^^^ this. How is this not-danceable? Each track is a banger.

That said, there's something a little flat-plan about the production that makes it at once exhausting and less punchy as the album wears on. It's better enjoyed track-by-track imo.

dog latin, Thursday, 27 October 2011 09:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

Like I said, it's full of the sonic signifiers of dancing - europhoric trance synths, enormous hooks and what have you - but without the beats and momentum underneath that make dance music. It's all icing, no cake.

The Dusted review above actually agrees with me that it's not particularly concerned with the dancefloor in the first place. Feels like a headphone/living room record to me.

Matt DC, Thursday, 27 October 2011 09:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

It certainly helped me get the washing up done, although Ultra Thizz is one of the only one's I'd like to see played out. Then again, it does happily sit between Justice-style electro, big-room dubstep and IDM, so it's the eclectic DJ's wet dream. But it ain't straight dance, no. It all depends on what you wanna hear on the dancefloor. There's so much brostep stuff that sounds rhythmically disjointed out there and people go bonkers to that. Personally I love the disorientating switches in tempo/signature and don't think they make it anti-dance; it just keeps things interesting and fun. So yeah, it's kind of the Skrillex it's okay to like (mostly cos the metal/emo element is entirely removed).

dog latin, Thursday, 27 October 2011 10:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

Music like this requires a new way of dancing to it. If you just want to get your standard groove on, fine, but if you want to push the limits of your particular dancing 'style' you will be rewarded.

I say, do what Rustie did with the sonic signifiers and apply it to your body movement, but then again i tend not to dance to the beat of the kick snare. It's all about the hi hats, rolls, fills and breaks.

meat to pleased you (flame grilled meat), Thursday, 27 October 2011 20:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm surprised that people only seem to dance to one element of a track. dance to the melodies!!

lex pretend, Thursday, 27 October 2011 23:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

My hips dance to the kick/snare, my feet to the hi hats, my hands/fingers to the melody/chords and my head to some shit only i can hear. Sometimes i open my eyes on the dancefloor and find i've cleared quite a little space around me.

meat to pleased you (flame grilled meat), Friday, 28 October 2011 00:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

Look I am trying to find nice ways of saying that this is really nerdy funkless music, okay? And that's alright! The music itself is pretty explicitly acknowledging how dorky it is.

Matt DC, Friday, 28 October 2011 10:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

This is all true, and I don't think "a lack of funk" is necessarily a bad thing (other elements of this more than make up for it - it's certainly got ENERGY). But where is it explicitly acknowledging its nerdiness?

dog latin, Friday, 28 October 2011 10:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

Because it's like 80% prog rock and video games?

Matt DC, Friday, 28 October 2011 10:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

prog rock?!?!

i disagree, this album's strength is its sugar rush obviousness, it's the opposite of nerding out over complex rhythms or abstract sounds

lex pretend, Friday, 28 October 2011 11:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

There are prog rock synths and occasionally guitar noises all over this. But then there are prog rock synths over a lot of music I like from the last few years.

Sugar rush obviousness can be nerdy as well in its own right, especially given that most of this record sounds like an overdriven Nintendo soundtrack. I'm not even saying it's bad - it's very stupid, very enjoyable, ridiculously nerdy.

Matt DC, Friday, 28 October 2011 11:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

nakhchivan, Friday, 28 October 2011 11:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think it's a bit of both. There's something really studied about those ravey builds and rush-ups. There's quite a lot of music coming out at the moment (some of Bass Clef's work is another example) that explores a kind of poignant nostalgia for what rave could have been. I guess it's not far removed from what people like Luke Vibert were doing 10-15 years ago, but these are "children of rave", i.e. they probably grew up hearing Tricky Disco and Charly Says on the radio and somehow feel that world needs a deeper excavation with more advanced technology.

dog latin, Friday, 28 October 2011 11:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

Is that Rustie? Christ, he looks about 15. To him early dance music must sound like what Led Zepp sounds like to me....

dog latin, Friday, 28 October 2011 11:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

Someone's stolen his umbrella

R. Stornoway (Tom D.), Friday, 28 October 2011 11:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

nerdy ? funkless ? dorky ? you haven't confused Rustie with Reso in power extreme mode have you ?

I'm just not getting the prog rock thing. At least not in a way i do from something like lol - me me, which along with this, is shaping up to be among my top picks of the year.

meat to pleased you (flame grilled meat), Friday, 28 October 2011 11:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

Rustie is definitely a big prog fan, as is Hudson Mohawke

Number None, Friday, 28 October 2011 12:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://www.theskinny.co.uk/music/features/300374-rustie_appliance_science

Glass Swords is also informed by music that pre-dates, and in many cases directly influences, hip-hop and techno. Rustie cites prog-rock pioneers Yes and the jazz fusion of Allan Holdsworth as pivotal (you can hear the latter's imprint all over the album’s titular opening track, an intoxicating perfume of flutes and chopped choral vocals that swirl around a naïvely epic, pedal-heavy guitar solo), as well as the pejoratively titled genre of 'yacht rock', as Rustie puts it – a "sort of smooth, sort of jazzy sort of rock from the 80s" – of which Michael McDonald and the Doobie Brothers were prolific practitioners

Lars and the Lulu Girl (NickB), Friday, 28 October 2011 12:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

Im hearing Vince Clarke and Trevor Horn in Rusties sound palette more than anything. That'll be where the Clarke/YES thing comes in i suppose, combined with the ethos of Horn's collab with Malcolm Mclaren on Duck Rock. But the mish mash pastiche of reappropriated sounds reminds me most of Tim Simenon's breakthough with Beat Dis albeit with analogue patches rather than samples.

you want fries with that (flame grilled meat), Saturday, 29 October 2011 10:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

Is that Rustie? Christ, he looks about 15.

He looks like an exuberant Pokemon.

Matt DC, Saturday, 29 October 2011 19:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

"nice keebaab?"
"it....it was a burrito actually"

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

ha i was obsessed with that stuff when i was a teenager, but you have to admit that they have the worst rep out of all the big fusion bands (for the usual jazz crimes - cheesy/overblown/soulless etc.).

40oz of tears (Jordan), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 17:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah his music is kinda loud, those gloopy shiny synths really "fill up" the, uh, psychoacoustic space or whatever you want to call it.

i think this is my actual biggest problem with the record. most of the synth sounds he uses are just loud and shrill to me and drive me nuts

hologram ned raggett (The Reverend), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 08:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

rustie is shrill

but he is also shrewd, and chill

Ms Tum-Bla-Wi-Tee (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 10:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

are people still into glass swords ?

the late great, Thursday, 2 May 2013 18:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

Funny you should mention this. I was just listening to this today. I love this album (been listening to it since it came out, as well).

c21m50nh3x460n, Friday, 3 May 2013 01:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

the best album of 2011 for me

"slasherr" from this year is decent as well

monotony, Friday, 3 May 2013 03:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeah liked this record a lot, didn't even notice it was much taken notice of on ILM

huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Friday, 3 May 2013 03:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

My favorite 2011 album that I didn't hear until 2012.

jaymc, Friday, 3 May 2013 03:17 (1 year ago) Permalink

I kind of hear what Matt DC is saying about it not really being dance music - not that you 'can't' dance to it, but a lot of the songs never get going quite enough or sustain a beat long enough. I could see it lending itself really well to dance remixes/edits that wouldn't have to do a whole lot.

huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Friday, 3 May 2013 04:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

sure it's still awesome

i wouldn't mistake myself for anyone. (wolves lacan), Friday, 3 May 2013 16:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

that's part of what I like about it, all that tension that never quite releases

huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Friday, 3 May 2013 16:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

dance prog. imo it's really more an update on instrumental funk from the 70s, that was as much an exercise in jamming, in a musicianly way, as it was "dance music".

Dominique, Friday, 3 May 2013 16:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

really? it's got some fusion signifiers, but to my ears the forms/structures are very exacting and dance-based (and the most fun moments are when he's playing with listener expectations on the builds/drops).

shit tie (Jordan), Friday, 3 May 2013 17:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

something that confused me about rustie was that he got so much more popular / acclaimed than hudson mohawke. their approaches, qualities and strengths seem very similar to me.

the late great, Friday, 3 May 2013 17:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

i guess that's not true post-tnght but i always felt "butter" got a bad rap

the late great, Friday, 3 May 2013 17:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

I don't really mean it sounds like fusion, just that it reminds of what a lot of instrumental and fusion bands were doing in the 70s, making records of essentially "dance" music, but that were never really the same kind of dance music as, say, giorgio moroder or chic. Even tho really, if you listen to it, formwise, it's not arguably a different thing. See also a lot of instrumental hip-hop, post-dubstep stuff like zomby, or even squarepusher (who really does play the fusion card).

hudson mohawke seems to actively court dance/hip-hop appeal tho. Like, he makes tracks, and with tnght, that sound like their primary purpose is to woo a rapper to use them for production, and to make festival crowds jump up and down. Whereas rustie to my ears sounds too "impressive" in a muso way. It sounds amazing when I hear it at home, but maybe too busy in too short a time to work as "dance" music, as was suggested upthread. A fine line tho!

Dominique, Friday, 3 May 2013 18:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

just listened to "glass swords" b2b w/ soul jazz's "deutsche elektronische musik" comp which is largely just prog as opposed to electronic music and it was a very smooth transition

there are moments of the rustie album that are straight-up prog imo

the late great, Friday, 3 May 2013 18:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

New Rustie track, dang. My vote for most interesting/exciting producer working today, as far as post-dubstep and trap goes. Can't wait for new record.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b046ddlv

Dominique, Saturday, 21 June 2014 20:06 (2 months ago) Permalink

"Most exciting trap producer" = damned by faint praise!

the late great, Saturday, 21 June 2014 20:11 (2 months ago) Permalink

sort of, but most trap doesn't sound like Rustie/only wishes it sounded like Rustie.

Dominique, Saturday, 21 June 2014 20:44 (2 months ago) Permalink

I still don't think he ever topped the Jagz The Smack EP

boxedjoy, Saturday, 21 June 2014 21:59 (2 months ago) Permalink

LOLLLL u so crazy

the late great, Saturday, 21 June 2014 22:35 (2 months ago) Permalink

actually if i can interject some challops of my own i think zig zag is still his best track

the late great, Saturday, 21 June 2014 22:37 (2 months ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

NEW SHIT

the late great, Thursday, 21 August 2014 03:46 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

Streamed this yesterday and it's nowhere near as buoyant or thrilling as Glass Swords, which is maybe my album of the decade so far.

uxorious gazumping (monotony), Thursday, 21 August 2014 03:55 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

not sure how i feel about the album as a whole, but the d double e and danny brown 1-2 punch in the middle is undeniable

the late great, Thursday, 21 August 2014 03:57 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

i'll have to give it some time but i hear what you're saying, first impression it's definitely not as good as glass swords, not sure what's missing

the late great, Thursday, 21 August 2014 03:58 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

I was confused as to why the vocalist on "Dream On" wasn't credited when all the others were. If the woman singing turns out to be Kelli-Leigh I would actually die.

uxorious gazumping (monotony), Thursday, 21 August 2014 04:00 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

And yeah this is just off one stream - and I love all his other stuff - so I'm definitely willing to give it a chance too.

Glorious cover art btw.

uxorious gazumping (monotony), Thursday, 21 August 2014 04:00 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

Looking forward to the D Double track but really he should have got on the phone to Flirta D for full on glorious gonzoid effect.

Matt DC, Thursday, 21 August 2014 09:17 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

I CAN'T PLAY THE COMPUTER GAME THAT UNLOCKS THE TRACKS!

lex pretend, Thursday, 21 August 2014 09:31 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

having said that i did not think the lead single was up to much so i haven't tried that hard. sum total of time I've spent on computer games in my life = 5 mins of mario the hedgehog when i was 7, 5 mins spent repeatedly running it into a ravine

lex pretend, Thursday, 21 August 2014 09:33 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

"mario the hedgehog" eh?

Number None, Thursday, 21 August 2014 09:36 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

Games? Is that what you call them? Games?

Matt DC, Thursday, 21 August 2014 09:39 (4 weeks ago) Permalink

This is sounding pretty great so far...

MikoMcha, Monday, 25 August 2014 17:38 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

It's awful

Number None, Monday, 25 August 2014 17:42 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

d double e and danny brown 1-2 punch in the middle is undeniable

Just hit this section, and um... it's fairly deniable imo. Bit of a wasted opportunity. Prefer the instrumentals...

MikoMcha, Monday, 25 August 2014 17:44 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Some of the early tracks are dope, think I need to spend more time with this.

MikoMcha, Monday, 25 August 2014 18:50 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

¯\(°_o)/¯

the late great, Monday, 25 August 2014 19:17 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Pretty much.

MikoMcha, Monday, 25 August 2014 19:20 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

feels like a bit like offcuts from the first album, all the sounds are there but the impact is not. "velcro" is alright and so is the d double e one; danny brown sounds weird like he's half putting on a british grime mc's accent. pretty blah album tbh

lex pretend, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 15:58 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Rapture is cool, I especially like the first four tracks. Then it goes a bit off the rails and never really recovers.

MikoMcha, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:05 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

ha, i felt the opposite - first half was most disappointing, got slightly better once it hit the rap tracks but never really hit the heights

lex pretend, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:15 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

just started playing glass swords again and while i mostly like it, it really is not the sort of thing i can listen to for very long

snd are similar in this respect

Nothing less than the Spirit of the Age (nakhchivan), Thursday, 28 August 2014 17:26 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

i used to like the early rustie eps from years ago, ep is probably the ideal format for him

Nothing less than the Spirit of the Age (nakhchivan), Thursday, 28 August 2014 17:26 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

i decided i only like the rap tracks

the late great, Thursday, 28 August 2014 19:03 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

like almost all the vocal tracks on this, esp the danny brown one, but i think the instrumentals are easy to underrate. definitely more subdued than GS, and less ambitious, and sometimes just a bit deficient (ie the total opposite of GS where nothing could be seen as being deficient), but they still sound like no one else. i think he was thinking more melodically on this album. maybe its him trying to get more producer work, or do something 'proper' rather than weird/funny like the last one, not sure, but its still good. hopefully he hasnt gotten too self conscious.

StillAdvance, Friday, 29 August 2014 10:25 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

Some parts of this album give me instant nostalgia for 80s arcade game soundtracks - I think its the general midi sounding slap bass noise he uses occasionally - but it takes me back to listening to this as an 8 year old: http://www.exotica.org.uk/wiki/6_Amazing_Coin-Op_Soundtracks_from_Virgin_Games

Willl, Friday, 29 August 2014 10:57 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

I'm quite sure that's intentional

Number None, Friday, 29 August 2014 16:10 (3 weeks ago) Permalink


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