I'm sorry but Paul Simon is so overrated

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Just happened to catch him on Saturday Night Live tonight and it reconfirms what I have believed ever since the late seventies. This man is so overrated it's pathetic!! It is so clear that the talent behind Simon and Garfunkel rests solely in his taller, silent partner.

Can someone please explain to me where the artistry is in One Trick Pony, Graceland or any of the other nonsense drivel that people salivate over, not to mention the deplorable My Bodyguard? Please!!!

Alamac, Sunday, 7 August 2011 04:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

i have sent ears to you via second day air

Neanderthal, Sunday, 7 August 2011 04:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

You're mean.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Sunday, 7 August 2011 04:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

op, do you not even like 'Me & Julio' or '50 Ways'?

the diary of anne's spanx (CaptainLorax), Sunday, 7 August 2011 04:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

terrible troll thread

Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Sunday, 7 August 2011 04:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

captainlorax dnftt

Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Sunday, 7 August 2011 04:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

He was a mean individual.

Scharlach Sometimes (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 7 August 2011 04:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

chawki (buzza), Sunday, 7 August 2011 04:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

Is he really that highly rated though? He wrote a string of classic songs of course, but never reached the level of some of his contemporaries like Dylan or Leonard Cohen, and he seems to know it. Apart from that he seems like kind of a douchebag and hasn't done anything worthwhile since some time in the '70s.

lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Sunday, 7 August 2011 04:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

I would argue that Paul Simon is probably more highly regarded by your average person than Leonard Cohen.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Sunday, 7 August 2011 04:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

Wait, that reads off. Maybe more well known? I guess I just feel like Paul Simon is loads more popular that Cohen.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Sunday, 7 August 2011 04:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah, definitely. maybe I'm way off base but I do feel like there's this certain quality about Simon where he knows he never really reached the level he wanted to attain. does that make any sense?

lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Sunday, 7 August 2011 04:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

I usually come in second to (to Dylan), and I don't like coming in second. ...One of my deficiencies is my voice sounds sincere. I've tried to sound ironic. I don't. I can't. Dylan, everything he sings has two meanings. He's telling you the truth and making fun of you at the same time. I sound sincere every time.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/may/12/paul-simon-bob-dylan

lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Sunday, 7 August 2011 05:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

He wrote a string of classic songs of course, but never reached the level of some of his contemporaries like Dylan or Leonard Cohen, and he seems to know it. Apart from that he seems like kind of a douchebag and hasn't done anything worthwhile since some time in the '70s.

The American Donovan?

The Pleasure Garden of Felipe Sagittarius (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 7 August 2011 05:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

Simon is way more popular than Cohen, and suggesting that SImon hasn't done anything worthwhile since the '70s is LOLy. In fact, he did his best work after the '70s! Unless, of course, you really, truly don't like "Graceland" or "Rhythm of the Saints" or the new one, in which case, I'm sorry. But I'd put Paul Simon's best work (with G and solo) up against many of his era. Certainly he's no less a cultural signifier.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 7 August 2011 05:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

that first song he did on snl was dope iirc

J0rdan S., Sunday, 7 August 2011 05:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

i'll kill you

horseshoe, Sunday, 7 August 2011 06:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

not you, j0rdan, the threadstarter

horseshoe, Sunday, 7 August 2011 06:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

I really really truly do not like Graceland. Because it's shit. Can't say I've heard anything after that.

lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Sunday, 7 August 2011 06:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

And I bought the damn album when it came out! listened to it as a child. it doesn't hold up

lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Sunday, 7 August 2011 06:08 (3 years ago) Permalink

you don't hold up!

horseshoe, Sunday, 7 August 2011 06:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

true

lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Sunday, 7 August 2011 06:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

I really really truly do not like Graceland. Because it's shit. Can't say I've heard anything after that.

― lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Sunday, August 7, 2011 6:07 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

least fav new poster

Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Sunday, 7 August 2011 06:13 (3 years ago) Permalink

that first song he did on snl was dope iirc

― J0rdan S., Sunday, August 7, 2011 1:59 AM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

douche chills (crüt), Sunday, 7 August 2011 06:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

here is a better paul simon thread
POLL paul simon - the rhythm of the saints

Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Sunday, 7 August 2011 06:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

i'm often grateful of deej, maybe never more so than when he had me download 'rhythm of the saints' two summers ago

J0rdan S., Sunday, 7 August 2011 06:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

i have to say im p shocked that you started a paul simon poll but even moreso that deej likes paul simon!!!

paul simon vs cohen is interesting to me, i would never think to group them together really but simon is probably a better and more versatile songwriter but cohens a 'better' lyricist and performer. 'graceland' and 'songs of love and hate' are p much both all time for me tho

stupid challop but i guess this is the thread for it: much of simon's best work was done before he started recording under his own name

Lamp, Sunday, 7 August 2011 06:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

it is funny that someone made this thread tho because i have been listening to so much paul simon lately!

Lamp, Sunday, 7 August 2011 06:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

i guess thats not funny really

Lamp, Sunday, 7 August 2011 06:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

least fav new poster

nah, you probably already hated me when I started posting here in 2004

lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Sunday, 7 August 2011 06:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

the funny thing though is that I think I was kind of defending Simon? in that I think he's not really THAT highly rated, and even seems to have some kind of inferiority complex about his legacy. Despite the fact that he's an obvious classic who wrote some monster songs that have become all-time standards.

lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Sunday, 7 August 2011 06:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

didnt know this had an official vid

Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Sunday, 7 August 2011 06:35 (3 years ago) Permalink

why deny the obvious sock?

― buzza, Tuesday, November 16, 2010

buzza, Sunday, 7 August 2011 07:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

hahaha

J0rdan S., Sunday, 7 August 2011 07:25 (3 years ago) Permalink

wtf is this thread?

by another name (amateurist), Sunday, 7 August 2011 08:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

I don't care for solo Paul Simon either. Graceland was boring.

Kent Burt, Sunday, 7 August 2011 12:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

f a h8r, paul 4 lyfe

ice cr?m, Sunday, 7 August 2011 12:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

Is he really that highly rated though?

no idea what this means.

livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 August 2011 12:31 (3 years ago) Permalink

so many SBs to give out in this thread

max, Sunday, 7 August 2011 12:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

also simon is a better lyricist than stupid ol leonard cohen--there are very few people who can write words to music (and perform them) better than paul simon can--also graceland is really amazing

max, Sunday, 7 August 2011 12:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

its funny that you should mention writing words to music and graceland in the same breath because its my understanding that it was his first album using that method, before that it was always music to words, and das why graceland feels so free

ice cr?m, Sunday, 7 August 2011 12:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

and fwiw cohen owns, lets all be cool

ice cr?m, Sunday, 7 August 2011 12:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

If "consensus" matters, then the consensus about Simon's eponymous debut, Still Crazy..., and Graceland still holds. Matos said in a recent column that So Beautiful or So What was so far his favorite album of the year.

livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 August 2011 12:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

I like Cohen too! I don't have a problem with someone preferring Cohen to Simon; I just don't get this "highly rated" stuff. We're not talking about James Taylor or Al Stewart here.

livin in my own private Biden hole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 August 2011 12:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

great thread

Autism Alamac (some dude), Sunday, 7 August 2011 13:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

This man is so overrated it's pathetic!!

generally speaking when someone drags "it's pathetic!!" or some variation thereof into their criticism it's because they are---or have the critical faculties of---a fourteen year old venting on facebook

g++ (gbx), Sunday, 7 August 2011 13:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

Scharlach Sometimes (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 7 August 2011 13:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

ITT: You can't say "___ sucks" anymore, it's a weird internet rule.

Super Villains With Drum Machines (MintIce), Sunday, 7 August 2011 13:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

I will say, having seen both Cohen and Simon live in recent years, that Cohen may be the only great living singer/songwriter who may be less of a singer than Simon. Not that it matters, in either case. I'll happily accept Cohen's monotone rumble and Simon's limited but nimble sing-song.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 7 August 2011 13:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

btw the transition from hearts and bones to 50 ways is like amazing.

judith, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 19:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

i recommend it.

judith, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 19:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

i was 10 when graceland came out, my dad LOVED it

lag∞n, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 19:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

cool, hearts and bones is just wrapping up

lag∞n, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 19:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

hell the transition from Hearts and Bones and Graceland is amazing.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 19:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

graceland was like the concensus between my parents. my dad likes folk-rock and smooth jazz pop. my mam likes classical music and stuff like james last, who was until like her forties the only person she had ever seen live in concert. with his orchestra.

judith, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 19:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

you know whats kind of interesting is the word graceland sounds kind of african, it some how vibes to the post colonial milieu at least to me a guy who has never set foot in africa, it sounds religious but on the edge of a more expansive animism, its v lively and virtuous feeling, but lol its just the name of elvises house

lag∞n, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 19:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

btw plax listening to yr mix u were otm re the limitations of mine, i really doesnt capture my full feeling toward the art of paul simon

lag∞n, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 19:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

heard Graceland so many times growing up

<3 judith for <3in <3s n bones

i love pinfold cricket (gbx), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 19:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

i have added the songs from plaxs mix not already on my mix to the end of my mix, the universe is at peace

lag∞n, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 19:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

the logic i was working on in my mix is that they are generally more atmospheric and groove based right up until obvious child where there is the big breakdown that lets you have the more angular and mother and child reunion followed by the comedown of spirit voices and finally fade out on train in the distance, looking out onto the horizon, remembering old times.

judith, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 19:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

this is a fairly comprehensive list of highlights for me but omits like gumboots or papa hobo and a few other songs.

judith, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 19:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

are we still doing the artist specific album polls on ilm? i had signed up to run a paul simon one and as a result made a really extensive youtube playlist of all his best songs so i could put together a perfect ballot

the parable is the parable of the (Lamp), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 20:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

the only one of those i ever enjoyed was the rem one just because of how the results were rolled out over the course of about a year. it was such a gentle appreciation.

judith, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 20:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

anyway i think my perfect paul simon mix would lean more heavily towards the kinda wistful and yearning and sweet songs i like those songs where hes explaining s.thing to you abt how it is to be alive but its not garish or forced or w/e and theres always a part that you can sing-along to w/o really like SINGING stuff like 'diamonds on the soles of her shoes' or 'lisa' or 'duncan' even

the parable is the parable of the (Lamp), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 20:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

diamonds is definite top 5

judith, Tuesday, 31 January 2012 20:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think for me his best upbeat and rhythmic stuff is like 'all around the worlds' where hes still just telling you this story and it sometimes means something and sometimes doesnt and you can just vibe out to the sound of it, like the shape of the thing, but there are still these jarring and thoughtful bits that aim to haunt you like 'abandoned now just like the war'

the parable is the parable of the (Lamp), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 20:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

are we still doing the artist specific album polls on ilm? i had signed up to run a paul simon one and as a result made a really extensive youtube playlist of all his best songs so i could put together a perfect ballot

― the parable is the parable of the (Lamp), Tuesday, January 31, 2012 2:44 PM (14 minutes ago)

Yeah, you'll be up pretty soon. Thread for coordinating the order and timing of ILM ballot polls

Rotary Boy of the Month (WmC), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 21:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

I was outta college when Graceland came out, but my slightly younger sister was a manic Simon fan from the age of EIGHT so I heard all the LPs as they were released in the '70s and '80s. We went to the Graceland tour at Radio City.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 January 2012 21:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

the only one of those i ever enjoyed was the rem one just because of how the results were rolled out over the course of about a year. it was such a gentle appreciation.

― judith, Tuesday, January 31, 2012 3:46 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

<3 you for this, the funny thing of course is that that only happened through total incompetence and getting-behind-on-shit on my part. It also overlapped with me moving to India for a while, I remember using about 15 minutes a day of my pre-work internet time throwing together a result to post...good times.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 03:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

it is hard to make a paul simon mix because he has so many good songs

it is! and because some songs fit so well in the context of their own albums but rub up against each other weirdly on a mix. i had to take "the boxer" off a paul simon mix for my sister for this reason. also she really vibed on specific songs like "slip slidin' away" and "the obvious child" but she says she finds it hard to listen to the mix in its entirety. it's like too much unvariegated goodness.

horseshoe, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 04:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

whereas, the first thirty times you listen to the self-titled, something like "papa hobo" kind of slides past your ears unobtrusively and then one day you're like, oh this song rules.

horseshoe, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 04:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

oh plax i didn't even see that you singled out papa hobo, too <3

horseshoe, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 04:32 (2 years ago) Permalink

this thread title still makes me hulk out a little tbh

horseshoe, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 04:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

man i so want a horseshoe, plax, jho paul simon top ten but i dont want to ruin my poll also you all have to participate even if u dont normally otherwise ill be really mad

the parable is the parable of the (Lamp), Wednesday, 1 February 2012 04:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

my dumb immigrant parents did not expose me to graceland as a child btw; clearly gross negligence

horseshoe, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 04:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

i am so freaking excited for that poll that it is a little sad

horseshoe, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 04:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

i like those songs where hes explaining s.thing to you abt how it is to be alive but its not garish or forced or w/e and theres always a part that you can sing-along to w/o really like SINGING stuff like 'diamonds on the soles of her shoes' or 'lisa' or 'duncan' even

this is so otm; so satisfying speak-singing along to all the repeated lines in "duncan"

horseshoe, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 04:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

My friend was one of those ppl whose parents never played it growing up, i made him listen to it for the first time a couple years ago. The other night we put it on when we were drunk and he said 'you know what, i've kinda decided this is my fav album of all-time now'. <3

just sayin, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 07:52 (2 years ago) Permalink

other friend quoted you can call me al in his wedding speech over the wkend <3

just sayin, Wednesday, 1 February 2012 07:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

really good post / mix by judith (plax?) itt

D-40, Monday, 6 February 2012 02:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

lots of good posts but i think he singled something out there

D-40, Monday, 6 February 2012 02:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah the greatest thing about his 1st album and much of his later catalogue is precisely the mix of precisely arranged and tightly written songs and the room to breathe (melodically and in terms of pacing and arrangement) he gives them... he's someone who is obviously concerned with written "good" songs (in a way that's become a cliché of adult-album-alternative) but who has also absorbed the lessons of much of the blues, folk, gospel, and world music he loves. peace like a river is a good example.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 6 February 2012 03:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

no no you guys this one's pretty easy

"I look outside my window and I watch the Cars" - Paul is in London where Roy Thomas Baker is producing their debut, he sees them arriving at the studio daily for tracking
"I fear I'll do some damage one fine day" - he is thinking of covering one of their songs in his own style
"but I would not be found guilty by a jury of my peers" - old hippies will love my Cars cover no matter what it sounds like
"still crazy after all these years" - I am an axe murderer

― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, August 30, 2011 12:57 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^ absolutely lolling at this right now

Doctor Casino, Monday, 6 February 2012 04:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

Have really really been feeling the first album again lately. I think I go through phases with this guy, but boy is "Papa Hobo" resonating somehow. I'm living on Gatorade...

Doctor Casino, Monday, 6 February 2012 04:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

gatorade is tasty it's tru

lag∞n, Monday, 6 February 2012 04:15 (2 years ago) Permalink

Solo careers are so underrated
Keep your Garfunkel and Simon completely separated

flopson, Monday, 6 February 2012 04:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

gatorade is tasty it's tru

― lag∞n, Sunday, February 5, 2012 10:15 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

orange gatorade especially.

art garfunkel's jimmy webb covers album is fantastic.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 6 February 2012 05:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

It is!

the pinefox, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 09:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/reliable-source/post/hey-isnt-that-paul-simon-and-thomas-friedman-at-the-bombay-club/2012/02/07/gIQAuvGCxQ_blog.html

Singer Paul Simon and New York Times columnist Tom Friedman dining together at the Bombay Club Monday night with two others. Shrimp, kebab, veggies among their shared dishes. What’s the occasion? Nothing special, the columnist’s office told us, “just a dinner with friends.”

Bombay Club in Washington D.C. I think

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

o jesus dont tell me these things

lag∞n, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:41 (2 years ago) Permalink

srsly :(

horseshoe, Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

five or six D.C.-looking types.

hahaha

BJ O (Lamp), Wednesday, 8 February 2012 17:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

jews

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 9 February 2012 01:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/21/arts/music/paul-simon-with-the-jazz-at-lincoln-center-orchestra.html?_r=1

This sounds like it was an interesting gig

excerpt:

By JON PARELES
Published: April 20, 2012

Transformations, extrapolations and a few collisions were on the program when Paul Simon performed with the Jazz at Lincoln Center Orchestra on Thursday night at the Rose Theater, part of a three-night fund-raising series. (With tickets costing hundreds of dollars, perhaps it was no coincidence that the first words Mr. Simon sang were “She’s a rich girl,” from “Diamonds on the Soles of Her Shoes.”)

Mr. Simon and Wynton Marsalis performed and brought their bands together for a concert of Simon songs at Jazz at Lincoln Center.
Mr. Simon, not usually one to cede control of his music, brought his own band to perform side by side with the Lincoln Center big band led by Wynton Marsalis. Mr. Marsalis noted that Mr. Simon was playing (and paying his band for) “three concerts for absolutely no money.”

It was all about arrangements, old and new: easing in and out of Mr. Simon’s usual band versions or completely revamping the songs. In the course of the night, the Lincoln Center band became a tag team, a beefed-up horn section, a new perspective and, now and then, a fifth wheel. As Mr. Simon sang, he breezed through the alterations to songs he has been singing for decades, toying with the timing of familiar lines to keep them conversational and immediate.

The program didn’t focus on the Simon songs closest to jazz; it didn’t include, for instance, the chromatic labyrinth of “Still Crazy After All These Years.” Instead it favored his folky and rock-tinged repertory, his three-chord marvels. Nearly all of the new arrangements were by the orchestra members, and they had a hard act to follow: Mr. Simon’s meticulous originals, with their ingenious cultural hybrids and ever nimble rhythms. His music is tightly wound, and within it are hints and implications that the big-band arrangements could pick up, and did.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 24 April 2012 14:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

Guessing this event was too pricey for most NY ilmers (or they think Paul Simon is so overrated)

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 15:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm sorry but wynton marsalis is so overrated

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 15:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

agree

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

i watced the bbc under african skies docu and it was dope as hell

lag∞n, Monday, 27 August 2012 01:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

Thread of missing Alamac

buzza, Monday, 27 August 2012 02:24 (2 years ago) Permalink


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