New Orleans Brass Bands S/D

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Though they don't have to be from New Orleans. Does anyone listen to this music much? Who are your favorites?

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 4 September 2002 01:51 (13 years ago) Permalink

I know very little about the subject, but I wanna see some answers!

charlie va, Wednesday, 4 September 2002 02:10 (13 years ago) Permalink

Rebirth Brass Band is definitely classic, they were probably the first brass band music I heard (initially on Maceo Parker's record I believe). Lately some friends have hipped me to Soul Rebels (there is no such thing as too many hip-hop brass bands) and New Birth, and I just heard some Treme Brass Band that's are on the more traditional tip.

I can't go without mentioned the (however unlikely) on the level Wisconsin brass band scene, Mama Digdown's and Youngblood. I'm sure I've hyped up Youngblood on other threads, but they really are something these days, the new Def Jux album will be tight. It wasn't until after I started listening to a lot of other brass band music that I realized how unique their sound is, clean and precise instead of greasy and raucous (both are great in their way of course).

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 4 September 2002 02:39 (13 years ago) Permalink

Jordan, you're not supposed to answer your own question! But thanks for the primer. I did hear the last Rebirth Brass Band album, and it was really great. I think our station's copy came with a parental advisory sticker, which was sorta weird, 'cause I can't imagine too many minors buying that album.

charlie va, Wednesday, 4 September 2002 02:52 (13 years ago) Permalink

I just wanted to get things rolling. :> I think my main intent was to see if anyone else was into this music and hopefully get some recommendations for bands I haven't heard.

Speaking of which, what about brass bands from neither New Orleans nor Wisconsin?

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 4 September 2002 03:17 (13 years ago) Permalink

The Dirty Dozen Brass Band blows the roof off just about every joint they play -- i've only heard a couple of their recordings, but they translate well, too. ¥

christoff (christoff), Wednesday, 4 September 2002 11:44 (13 years ago) Permalink

Hey, Jordan, cool thread. I know nothing about this stuff, but I'm curious as hell now. why are there all these bands from wisconsin? know of any good websites where I can get an overview of brass band stuff? any compilations you'd recommend?

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 4 September 2002 22:29 (13 years ago) Permalink

I'm from Madison, Wisconsin, and I know those bands. You can't find a Southern accent in Madison, but you got all these brass bands and New Orleans restaurants popping up. Youngblood and Mama Digdown's even go down to Mardi Gras and perform, though I don't know how seriously they're taken.

The parallel in Minneapolis (where I live) is the Jack Brass Band. I'm all for this kind of thing, but these groups are to Rebirth what Antibalas is to Fela.

I lived in New Orleans for a year and my favorite Rebirth album is still Take It To the Street. Ex-Rebirth member Kermit Ruffins has his own band which is pretty great, too. I find Dirty Dozen boring on CD and in concert, sorry.

My favorite Rebirth story was seeing the guys perform in the bywater one night when members of the Afghan Whigs were in the audience, then seeing the band again in the Zulu parade the next morning. Turns out Rebirth had literally performed all night and went straight to the parade without rest. A float got stuck on a tree, and Rebirth were still energetic enough to challenge a high school band to a battle while the parade stood still. Guess who won.

Pete Scholtes, Wednesday, 4 September 2002 23:50 (13 years ago) Permalink

The Rebirth Brass Band are indeed genuinely great. The Nutley Brass, probably from somewhere like Yorkshire, did at least one punk cover - Gimme Gimme Shock Treatment - that was fun.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 5 September 2002 17:55 (13 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...
Saw the Dirty Dozen Brass Band a few years ago and they were superb.

I still listen to 'New Orleans Album' quite regularly, but it's the only one I've got.

I don't suppose anyone's heard the new one (Medicated Magic)?

James Ball (James Ball), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 17:18 (13 years ago) Permalink

I haven't heard Medicated Magic, but some of the brass band guys I play with weren't too up on it (they would have admittedly picky tastes about this sort of thing). I do wish they would still use a bass drummer and a snare drummer, even though their drummer is great. I'm going to see them here soon, with Youngblood Brass Band is opening up which is cool.

I've been listening non-stop to the New Birth Brass Band record, it is HOT SHIT. Totally on Rebirth's level or more so, and it's probably the most spontaneous, live sounding studio album I've ever heard.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 22:21 (13 years ago) Permalink

i'm gonna start talking out of my ass because i've never listened to new orleans brass bands nor have i listened to Lester Bowie's Brass Fantasy, but wasn't he doing this sortsa stuff. brass interpretations of popular songs like madona and marilyn manson.

or was it not so brass band-y?

JasonD (JasonD), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 00:48 (13 years ago) Permalink

I've only heard one track by Brass Fantasy (on a brass band comp, heh), but it was very brass band-y and very fantastic.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 13 November 2002 04:42 (13 years ago) Permalink

2 years pass...

Recommend me some New Orleans funeral jazz, please!

And I know this is rockist of me, but the older and more authentic, the better..


Adam Bruneau (oliver8bit), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 11:05 (11 years ago) Permalink

Um, I don't really listen to much of the old stuff, but I've heard it. Get the Eureka Brass Band, the "This is the first authentic recording of a New Orleans Black brass band that was active at the time of recording. Recorded in New Orleans on August 25, 1951 by Alden Ashforth and David Wyckoff. This compact disc is the best example of the music at a jazz funeral and it defines tradtional brass band music." There are older recordings, like the country brass band from the turn of the century that fills out the Baby Dodd's "Talking and Drum Solos" disc, but really, it's shit.

Other than that, just go to Louisiana Music Factory and check out anything by Treme Brass Band (the most well-known band playing in a really trad style that's still around) or Dejan's Olympia Brass Band.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 15:12 (11 years ago) Permalink

I really liked the song that Jess put on his blog, from your Rough Guide, Jordan.

Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 15:31 (11 years ago) Permalink

Thanks, Jay. I put another song from that Rebirth album up here along with a couple of other things for some friends.

I'll send you a mix if you want to e-mail me, I'm always happy to spread the gospel. Also my brass band should be playing at the Green Mill again in the next couple months.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 17:50 (11 years ago) Permalink

i just wanna say that the mix that Jordan sent me is probably one of the most listened cds i've gotten this year

JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 17:57 (11 years ago) Permalink

That's great to hear, Jason. I just listened to the Liquid Liquid disc before work today, btw.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 18:07 (11 years ago) Permalink

Just sticking in another vote here for the ReBirth Brass Band album that has the song on Jordan's comp -- it's called Hot Venom, and it's fantastic. It definitely deserves the parental warning sticker, though (many f-bombs; "Pop That Pussy"). Live, at least here in the North, they are much less hip-hoppy, more of an old-school soul party vibe ("Let's Do It Again / One Love" on the album is representative of that).

Vornado (Vornado), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:18 (11 years ago) Permalink

True, they stuck all the street-est stuff on that one album. It also has my favorite production job of any brass band album, not to mention the four 'bone lineup.

I really hope their 20th anniversary show dvd comes out, the show was sort of a mess but Cheeky Blakk came out and did Pop That Pussy for 15 minutes, humping trombone cases, Kabuki riding on her back, etc. :>

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 23 November 2004 19:26 (11 years ago) Permalink

I played some trumpet in school but disdained the marching band (late summer, they're getting ready for football season, marching around in the mud in red wool uniforms, ughh). Have long regretted that, but garage soul/preppy-frat rock was good."Soulfinger" and "Grazin' In The Grass" my faves. Buckinghams' "Mercy Mercy" led me back to Adderley & Zawinul's original, yclept "Mercy Mercy Mercy", and from there to other Blue Note (the cliche of jazz and pop parting ways WWII never otm). Much liked (first albums of) Electric Flag, Blood Sweat & Tears (pre Clayton Thomas), and Chicago. Now collect high school marching band records, which is among what ("lab bands, stage bands" also) gets LANGLEY SCHOOLS equiv, except for the acclaim, on SCHOOLHOUSE FUNK, compiled by Motorcycle John (AKA DJ SHADOW). From the 70s. Uneven, but amazing. Something I'd heard and thought it was the Dirty Dozen 'til I got it: David Byrne's MUSIC FOR THE KNEE PLAYS. TKP being a segment of Robert Wilson's intercontinental stage/satellite TV cycle, "the CIVIL warS" (broadcast live in sequence, but the Reagan Admin pulled plug on our part). Turns out this music was "inspired by the Dirty Dozen Brass Band." Involving old pros like Chuck Findley, Ernie Watts, Pete Christlieb, and Fred Wesley, and, even though it's got some of that one-size-fits-all ECM train station echo, here it does fit (boomin' in the gloom, and after all it's about life going on during wartime). Also Lester Bowie Brass Fantasy's AVANT POP and others; even getting to recastings of hiphop and that big parade drum for "Beautiful People, Beau'ful PeePUL" on ODYSSEY OF FUNK AND POPULAR MUSIC, his last album (which I reviewed for; put your Search subject in quotes if you go there)I've always wondered about Mike Westbrook's settings of Blake, and his Drinking Gasoline review, with singer Kate Westbrook. Were those good? (Regis Brass Band is one from New Orleans I've heard live, but never knew of any records. They were really young and firey when I saw 'em.)

don, Wednesday, 24 November 2004 07:22 (11 years ago) Permalink

Also my brass band should be playing at the Green Mill again in the next couple months.

Yeah, remind me! I've missed you guys a few times now!

Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 07:36 (11 years ago) Permalink

Wow Don, it sounds like you've heard a lot of stuff on the periphery of/influenced by N.O. brass band. You should jump into the real shit, I bet you'd be into it (NB: I don't really like the Dirty Dozen for the most part, and I haven't heard of Regis) --

New Birth Brass Band, D-Boy
Rebirth Brass Band, Hot Venom
Stooges Brass Band, It's About Time
Soul Rebels Brass Band, No More Parades
Lil' Rascals Brass Band, Buck It Like a Horse

Also a word about Derrick 'Kabuki' Shezbie - he's the main trumpet player for Rebirth, and he was in New Birth as a teenager (he's all over D-Boy). He's SO MUCH LOUDER than any trumpet player I've ever heard, not to mention the fire. His sound is completely wide-open and really sums up the brass band sound for me (he takes the solo on the Rebirth tune I posted above).

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 16:45 (11 years ago) Permalink

What I mean to say is, he can blow eight notes on one note and suddenly every other trumpet player and every tricky run becomes irrelevant.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 16:46 (11 years ago) Permalink

oh yeah, that David Byrne "Music for the Knee Plays" is great

JaXoN (JasonD), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 17:48 (11 years ago) Permalink

and how great is The Ying Yang Twins new song "Halftime". are brass bands and marching bands at all related?

JaXoN (JasonD), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 17:49 (11 years ago) Permalink

I shy away from the comparison just because it makes people think of their bad Midwest high school pep band and assume that they know what it's about. I'm also sick to death of people saying "oh, you guys must have been in the UW band" or "what drum corps did you march in?" when no one in the band comes from that background at all.

HOWEVER, yeah, they take marching band pretty seriously down south and a lot of those kids have incredible chops. We were standing outside of Tipatina's during a parade last Mardi Gras and this high school trumpet line came by blowing high F's and we were like WHAT?! I think that a huge majority of New Orleans brass band musicians came up in those bands and always check them out during parade season, etc.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 18:05 (11 years ago) Permalink

jordan -- is that yr actual email addy? (I'll do a trade for a copy of that mix).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 21:01 (11 years ago) Permalink

Yep (change gmale to gmail obv.). That sounds good Julio, I'm sure you have some stuff I'd love to hear.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 21:05 (11 years ago) Permalink

Jordan is 100% otm re: high school bands. New Orleans has like the Delta Force marching bands--all the best music during Mardi Gras can be heard by avoiding the clubs (most of which are hosting jam bands anyway) and hitting the parades further Uptown (before the kids playing are all worn out).

I am also interested in Jordan's mix.

adam (adam), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 22:21 (11 years ago) Permalink

by avoiding the clubs

But still go to Donna's and the Maple Leaf and Le Bon Temps and Cafe Brasil!

most of which are hosting jam bands anyway)

Oh god this is so horribly OTM.

I am also interested in Jordan's mix.

Send me your address.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 22:37 (11 years ago) Permalink

Dude, Le Bon Temps has the crunkest quesadillas in the city.

adam (adam), Wednesday, 24 November 2004 23:32 (11 years ago) Permalink

Yas yas, that's what I like about the South. Alabama's Public TV used to broadcast an annual marching band contest, live from Bessemer High School's football field. That sound, across the stadium (and airwaves), not just horns but the drums, it moves me man. Reminds me that Bessemer is the disembarkation point of Sun Ra (and my father). As far as non-high school, don't forget Mississippi's late (and maybe last of a kind) Othar Turner. And I always suspected that those early N.O. parade bands, "soloing" in different keys simulanteously for *one* thing, were an influence on free jazz (Ornette Coleman had played in proto-R&B bands in his native Texas, and toured in a medicine show band, according to A.B. Spellman, and also lived in New Orleans in 1950 or so, when he could have heard some of those guys live, although there was no revival then, was there? And old guys don't usually have the wind to flip out, I know from my own brass, but his wife Jayne Crotez was known to have a killer collection of 78s.Think also of ASCENSION, esp. the better version, eventually relaesed with the *relatively* tamer, more familiar take. And Gary Giddins said that his Jazz History students hit a wall when they got to Air, etc. but loved Henry Threadgill's JELLY ROLLS, which I think was one of the earliest Free-to-Ur foldovers. And some of them got intoFree per se, with JR as their gateway. I was always fascinated by Archie Shepp & Horace Parlan's albums of spiritual and gospel, and notice elements of these primogen. influences in Ayler (listening to the boxset single-disc promo, for inst). Reminds me: don't know how widespread this trend is, but in the CD store where I was working last year, noticed a jazz X gospel trendette, coming from "Jazz" section *and* from gospel (and of course the latter's had crossover from Blind Boys of Alabama and Robert Randolph and the Family Band, but that's getting away from horns altogether)

don, Thursday, 25 November 2004 01:06 (11 years ago) Permalink

Erm, that would be Jayne Cortez, not "Crotez." Charlie Haden said that before anybody could borrow one of her records, they had to promise to learn to play the songs on it. (She eventually put out her own albums, like the killer early jazz-rap MAINTAIN CONTROL, with mebers of Prime Time, and Ornette as special guest on "There Are No Simple Answers." Again, off-topic, but great[and o course he does play a horn])

don, Thursday, 25 November 2004 06:25 (11 years ago) Permalink

Fixed the link above for that Rebirth & Slim tune.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 26 November 2004 13:56 (11 years ago) Permalink

We have People TV in Atlanta, and last year I spent a lot of time taing random things off it, marshing band videos being one of them. The beats truly were crunk, and the dancing that accompanied them was straight out of the club.

Adam Bruneau (oliver8bit), Friday, 26 November 2004 17:47 (11 years ago) Permalink

Marching band videos? You mean like single songs, like pop videos? Whole concerts? Never heard of People TV, is that local to Atlanta?

don, Friday, 26 November 2004 21:34 (11 years ago) Permalink

Thanks for the links, Jordan. Also, on Public Radio's "Beale Street caravan," I just heard NRBQ with horns, live from Coney Island (the one in Cincinnati, not NY). They kept adding extra beats to "swing"; pretty funny. I'd forgotten, they used to have the Whole Wheat Horns, or maybe they're playing horns themselves, like Z Z Top. Reminds me of HIP-BOP-SKA, by the Skatalites, with guests like Lester Bowie and David Murray. Lester does some of this approach on James Carter's COVERSIN' WITH THE ELDERS, which also has Harry Sweets Edison on trumpet, Buddy Tate on clarinet, Hamiett Bluiett on baritone, and JC plays various reed instruments from his storied collection. It ain't Storyville but it ain't bad. Chicka-boom!

don, Saturday, 27 November 2004 06:43 (11 years ago) Permalink

3 months pass...

In Tower Records I noticed in the new Downbeat magazine a nice article on New Orleans brass bands and more. The Stooges Brass band, Hot 8, and Soul Rebels are all here. I haven't checked to see if the article is online.

As a contributing supporter of I get a weekly e-mail thing from them. This week they have a nice photo-essay by Ned Sublette(musician, musicologist and author of that immense book on Cuban music) on New Orleans. Sublette is living there for awhile and studying the Caribbean roots of New Orleans. He's got an interview with Donald Harrison and some others. I think you can check it all out at

steve-k, Saturday, 26 March 2005 17:48 (10 years ago) Permalink

Brass Bands - C/D

steve-k, Saturday, 26 March 2005 17:53 (10 years ago) Permalink

I wish I had time to go down to Jazzfest at the end of April and into early May and check everybody out. Plus that other fest with swamp pop and Blood Ulmer and more is going on at the rock n bowl.

steve-k, Saturday, 26 March 2005 20:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

Kermit Ruffins is now on tour...

Pete Scholtes, Sunday, 27 March 2005 02:00 (10 years ago) Permalink

He's got a new cd with Rebirth I believe. I doubt they're together on tour though

Steve-k (Steve K), Sunday, 27 March 2005 02:34 (10 years ago) Permalink

I downloaded a ton of stuff for free online a while ago. It is great stuff. Can't remember any names, though. I just filled two cds and labelled them New Orleans Jazz 1 and 2. It sounds drunk and it sounds happy and sometimes it stumbles along like a sad drunk but still manages to sound fun. Right after I saw "Wild Man Blues" I decided I should have some of that.

I think one was called Yarl River Blues Band.

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Sunday, 27 March 2005 04:08 (10 years ago) Permalink

Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Sunday, 27 March 2005 04:10 (10 years ago) Permalink

Thanks for the heads up Steve! Hot 8 in Downbeat, who knew.

I'll be going down to Jazzfest the first weekend to play with Mama Digdown's and see brass bands, can't wait.

Jordan (Jordan), Sunday, 27 March 2005 13:07 (10 years ago) Permalink

It should be great.

From the April issue excerpt on Downbeat's website:

Next Generation New Orleans Brass Bands
Brass Beyond The Streets

By Jennifer Odell

Philip Frazier honks his sousaphone on a chilly January Sunday on the corner of Daneel and 3rd streets. Musicians start to shuffle away from the crowd milling outside the Bean Brothers Bar and strap on horns and snare drums, ready to get their roll on. Dancers for the Undefeated Dicas Social Aid and Pleasure Club come around the corner and tubas, sousaphones, saxophones and bass drums fall in line as the Divas belt out The Staple Singers’ “I’ll Take You There.”

Winding past Mary’s Nightowl Bar, Candlelight Bar, Sandpiper and The New Look, the parading community group hits all of the Uptown neighborhood’s brass band stops. Ostrich plumes fan the air above the Divas in time with Frazier’s non-stop vamps. When the dancers slow down and form a circle, trading moves with kids, the band plays even harder, echoing braay swueals off the projects across the street. This is how brass band music was born.

But it’s growing up. And while playing the second lines and funerals remains important, many of today’s hottest brass players are concentrating more on polishing their CDs and getting national recognition than on stealing the show on Sunday afternoons. The current generation is following the successful business model created by the Dirty Dozen and Rebirth brass bands; updating a traditional sound to make the music relevant to a larger audience. And with each step forward, another cross-breed of the brass band sound is born. Mardi Gras Indian bands like Big Sam’s Funky Nation are based in funk, the Soul Rebels are purveyors of hip-hop and the Hot 8, New Birth and the Stooges hold down the street scene with their bebop-heavy takes on the traditional style.

Steve-k (Steve K), Sunday, 27 March 2005 16:07 (10 years ago) Permalink


MARDI GRAS 2005: a photo essay by Ned Sublette
Also Check out Interviews with Joseph Roach, Donald Harrison, and Vicki Mayer by Ned Sublette

Steve-k (Steve K), Sunday, 27 March 2005 16:14 (10 years ago) Permalink

there was some sorta Folkways record i checked out in Fredericksburg, Texas, and it dirged and dirtied heaving heavier than a mule cry, as syrupy and sun-stroked than just about anything i could think of (though that recent Sub Rosa Tibetan ceremony thing is sorta close). one of those New Orleans series ones. don't know if a single tortoise tune clocked in under eight minutes...

imbidimts, Sunday, 27 March 2005 16:30 (10 years ago) Permalink

May be a mixture of Soul Rebels and folks who are staying in Houston

curmudgeon, Monday, 31 August 2015 15:17 (2 months ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

Wisconsin second line, it's not the same but we get it where & when we can:

lil urbane (Jordan), Friday, 18 September 2015 15:24 (2 months ago) Permalink

trombone goes in at the end, love it

adam, Friday, 18 September 2015 15:36 (2 months ago) Permalink

thanks man.

so this is one of the weirder Mardi Gras Records comps i've come across, all kinds of Indian jams here that are more interesting and raw than the usual funk band stuff:

lil urbane (Jordan), Friday, 18 September 2015 20:27 (2 months ago) Permalink

101 Runners are awesome. Their bass drummer, Lionel Batiste, Jr., is the son of the legendary Uncle Lionel Batiste, and is himself a former member of the Dirty Dozen Brass Band. I interviewed him a couple weeks ago for a research project I'm doing on New Orleans drummers. The instrumental stuff that 101 plays before the Mardi Gras Indian singers come onstage kinda reminds me of good 70s Miles Davis. And when Big Chief Juan Pardo shows up, their sound is closer to an actual Mardi Gras Indian rehearsal than anything I've seen the Wild Magnolias or Wild Tchoupitoulas do.

Futuristic Bow Wow (thewufs), Friday, 18 September 2015 21:05 (2 months ago) Permalink

If you ever publish your research work, let us know...

curmudgeon, Sunday, 20 September 2015 18:31 (2 months ago) Permalink

A couple of things from two years ago, when I was just starting this work, are online already:

Futuristic Bow Wow (thewufs), Monday, 21 September 2015 01:05 (2 months ago) Permalink

And thanks for your interest.

Futuristic Bow Wow (thewufs), Monday, 21 September 2015 01:07 (2 months ago) Permalink

Thanks, will check those out

curmudgeon, Monday, 21 September 2015 17:15 (2 months ago) Permalink

Good stuff man. A couple thoughts:

-It's funny, but all the brass band drummers I know count & think of the rhythms you're talking about as half as fast. Meaning that the 'big 4' is actually the '& of 4'. But many of the horn players think in cut time, i.e. how you're notating the music. It makes it hard to even talk about music within the band using regular old Western terminology (but it also doesn't matter, because it's not meant to be written down).

One example to prove my point of view is to imagine the drummer putting a backbeat on 'Hey Pocky Way'. That would turn it into a normal funk beat with the snare on 2 & 4 (quarter notes). I guess you could argue that the snare is on 3 in that case, but I just find that everything grooves harder to think of the quarter note like this.

-Also I've never seen anyone write about the 'other' New Orleans clave, which if you think of quarter notes like I'm talking about, is five dotted 8th notes starting on the & of 1 (and ending on the & of 4). To me, that interlocks with all the bass drum patterns/claves, and it's really what all the snare patterns & fills are based on, as well as most of the horn lines. If you're not playing it, you're playing off of it or implying it.

lil urbane (Jordan), Monday, 21 September 2015 17:27 (2 months ago) Permalink

Thanks for the pointers, Jordan. I should mention, somewhat abashedly, that I'm coming at this not as a drummer or even as a horn player - I'm a singer and guitarist studying drummers in New Orleans because, in New Orleans funk and brass band music, the beats are what make my ears perk up. That's probably why I transcribed the drums the way I did, but I'll definitely keep your suggestion in mind in the way I think about and transcribe these beats in the future. Ditto the "other" clave - that's a great way of conceptualizing the underlying feel.

By the way, Sean King of the Hot 8 name-checked Mama Digdown in an interview I did with him last week. Just thought I'd mention.

Futuristic Bow Wow (thewufs), Monday, 21 September 2015 19:25 (2 months ago) Permalink

i have nothing to add but i find this sort of talk extremely interesting, thanks guys

adam, Monday, 21 September 2015 19:29 (2 months ago) Permalink

Ha, nice. I don't know Sean, is he newer?

Speaking of which, Hot 8 links to this documentary from their site and I hadn't seen it:

Must have been shot in the late '90s, it's the original lineup and they're all so young (including little Travis Hill), lots of footage from Donna's. They were so killing back then.

lil urbane (Jordan), Monday, 21 September 2015 20:18 (2 months ago) Permalink

Sean joined on snare drum about two years back after their previous snare drummer, Sammy Cyrus, went to jail. Thanks for the doc link.

Futuristic Bow Wow (thewufs), Monday, 21 September 2015 20:29 (2 months ago) Permalink

Just previewed a bit of that documentary, it looks wonderful. Thanks for linking. Yeah, old school Donna's before they built the stage, Fred Kemp's, Cafe Brasil...

Half as cool as Man Sized Action (Dan Peterson), Monday, 21 September 2015 21:13 (2 months ago) Permalink

Ah ok, then I heard him at Howlin' Wolf a few months ago, sounded great.

lil urbane (Jordan), Tuesday, 22 September 2015 15:51 (2 months ago) Permalink

So uh, would it be hard to get a cab back from seeing TBC Wednesday night at Celebration Hall, 1701 st. Bernard . I'm finally going to Ponderosa Stomp for the first time; and am arriving Wednesday night

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 05:20 (1 month ago) Permalink

I would do Uber instead. Cabs from Celebration Hall are a dicey proposition. See you there!

Futuristic Bow Wow (thewufs), Tuesday, 29 September 2015 05:29 (1 month ago) Permalink

I'd offer you a ride, but I don't have a car :(

Futuristic Bow Wow (thewufs), Tuesday, 29 September 2015 05:30 (1 month ago) Permalink

Second-lines on Saturday and Sunday

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 13:06 (1 month ago) Permalink

please don't use uber in new orleans, call united cab at 504 522 9771, fuck uber forever

adam, Tuesday, 29 September 2015 14:01 (1 month ago) Permalink

Will TBC start before 11?

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 30 September 2015 02:28 (1 month ago) Permalink

TBC usually goes on sometime between 11:15 and 11:30. 11:10 at the absolute earliest.

Futuristic Bow Wow (thewufs), Wednesday, 30 September 2015 20:56 (1 month ago) Permalink

Alas people I was meeting wanted to see Wolfman Washington @ DBA so I just did that. I kinda wish I had seen Janet Jackson who was here last night. Might have been pricey to score a ticket

curmudgeon, Thursday, 1 October 2015 13:09 (1 month ago) Permalink

Haha, you know what's crazy though? Win and Regine from Arcade Fire showed up at the TBC show. I shit you not. Maybe they're gonna appropriate second line rhythms on their next album?

Futuristic Bow Wow (thewufs), Thursday, 1 October 2015 20:15 (1 month ago) Permalink

I also thought about the Janet Jackson show for a minute, but I am really low on funds at the moment.

Futuristic Bow Wow (thewufs), Thursday, 1 October 2015 20:16 (1 month ago) Permalink

The Original Pinettes are playing at a free show in Armstrong Park around 5 this afternoon, by the way.

Futuristic Bow Wow (thewufs), Thursday, 1 October 2015 20:18 (1 month ago) Permalink

heh, i'd like to see them try.

oh look, that old n'dea davenport track where she's just messing around on top of a full Rebirth song is on youtube now:

lil urbane (Jordan), Thursday, 1 October 2015 20:23 (1 month ago) Permalink

please don't use uber in new orleans, call united cab at 504 522 9771, fuck uber forever

― adam, Tuesday, September 29, 2015 10:01 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah you right

it's not a tuomas (benbbag), Friday, 2 October 2015 00:25 (1 month ago) Permalink

Just read in Offbeat that Win & Regine from Arcade Fire own a home in New Orleans now. Also saw in Offbeat that filmmaker Lily Keber whose debut film was her James Booker documentary "Bayou Maharajah" (that I would like to see), is now working on a 2nd doc about second line culture.

Speaking of which, my wife and I made it to part of the Saturday Young Men Olympian Junior Benevolent Association, Inc.second line. We saw Da Truth Brass Band and the New Breed Brass Band.

Earlier that day at the Treme Festival, we saw singer John Boutte, and also the Treme Brass band. The latter has changed members again since I last saw them. Because we went to join the second line, we missed Shannon Powell, Kermit Ruffins and others at the Treme Fest. Saturday night as we were at the second night of the Ponderosa Stomp, I think we missed Hot 8 Band's anniversary gig at Howlin Wolf

curmudgeon, Monday, 5 October 2015 04:10 (1 month ago) Permalink

How is Bennie Pete's health? Will he be touring the UK with Hot 8 near the end of October and into November?

curmudgeon, Monday, 5 October 2015 04:17 (1 month ago) Permalink

Haven't heard that Hot8 20th anniversary album yet

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 15:35 (1 month ago) Permalink

At the second lines I've seen in the past several months where Hot 8 has played, Bennie has been there, and he's lost a substantial amount of weight. Haven't talked to him or the band about his overall health, but he certainly looked well enough to tour.

Futuristic Bow Wow (thewufs), Tuesday, 6 October 2015 17:21 (1 month ago) Permalink

That's good news

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 17:47 (1 month ago) Permalink

i used to work with lily keber at vaughan's, i've only seen rough early stuff from the booker doc but it's great.

adam, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 17:57 (1 month ago) Permalink

i think everyone who was around new orleans during the booker era has amazing stories about the dude

adam, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 18:04 (1 month ago) Permalink

New Orleans photographer Syndey Byrd, who had suffered for several years from Altzheimer’s disease, passed away October 2, 2015 at the age of 71. Byrd was a regular photographer at the New Orleans Jazz & Heritage Festival, at second line parades, and at celebrations throughout the city. She leaves a long legacy of beautiful photography that chronicled New Orleans and Louisiana’s music and culture.

Syndey moved to New Orleans in the 1970s and spent the next 40 years chronicling the music and lifestyle of her adopted city, producing thousands of vivid color slides of the musicians, Mardi Gras Indians, parades, funerals, voodoo rituals, and the culture of New Orleans.

She was born July 3, 1944 in Hattiesburg, Mississippi and earned a degree in art from the University of Mississippi, and later studied under renowned Austrian photographer Ernest Haas. Her photos were used on album covers, in books and calendars, on magazine covers (including OffBeat) and were featured in a special tribute to Syndey at the 2015 Jazz and Heritage Festival in the Grandstand.

A gregarious, generous woman with a big heart, Syndey lived a life as colorful and alive, and often as broke, as many of the legendary local characters she loved to hang out with and photograph. In an interview published in the Mardi Gras Guide, Syndey said, “I try to make people who think they are or­dinary feel as if they are truly extraordinary. Everyone has a little bit of magic in them. My job is to bring it out.” –Bear Kamaroff

Some of her photos here

curmudgeon, Thursday, 8 October 2015 13:28 (1 month ago) Permalink©SyndeyByrd_PhotoLab8_1-copy1.jpg

Photo 3: The Funeral of Louis Nelson with Richard “King” Matthews & Troy “Trombone Shorty” Andrews New Orleans, 1990

curmudgeon, Thursday, 8 October 2015 13:30 (1 month ago) Permalink©SyndeyByrd_PhotoLab8_1-copy1.jpg

curmudgeon, Thursday, 8 October 2015 13:30 (1 month ago) Permalink

More passings.

Clarinetist Joe Torregano, who played in a variety of traditional brass bands, passed away yesterday, October 6. reports that Terregano died of cancer at his home in La Place. He was 63.

Torregano performed with the Young Tuxedo, Exclesior, Olympia and Original Royal Players brass bands at different points throughout his life. He also taught a number of musicians, including Christian Scott and Victor Goines, during his 30 year career as a band instructor at local schools like Gregory Junior High, John McDonough High School and East St. John High School. His most recent job was as a teacher at New Orleans’ Ellis Marsalis Center for Music.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 8 October 2015 13:34 (1 month ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

liking this particular Hot 8 lineup:

expertly crafted referential display name (Jordan), Monday, 2 November 2015 16:49 (3 weeks ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

this is like brass band adjacent at best but shit goes so hard:

adam, Monday, 23 November 2015 16:59 (5 days ago) Permalink

NEW ORLEANS – Hundreds of people were gathered at a New Orleans playground for a block party and music video shoot when two groups in the crowd opened fire on each other, wounding 16 people in the shocking Sunday evening violence, police said.

Police were on their way to break up a big crowd at Bunny Friend Playground when gunfire erupted at the park in the city’s 9th Ward, the police said in a statement Sunday.

Blaming second line for this-

Members of the Nine Times Social Aid & Pleasure Club stressed Monday (Nov. 23) that the mass shooting at Bunny Friend Park in New Orleans was not associated with their club, which had paraded past the park about three hours earlier. Seventeen people were injured, three critically, when two groups began firing guns into the crowd of 300 at the park on Sunday at 6:15 p.m., police said.

The park sits between Desire Street and Gallier Street in the Upper Ninth Ward. The club's second-line parade passed at around 3 p.m., members said. At the time, dozens of people were in the park for what club members said they thought was recording of a music video.

curmudgeon, Monday, 23 November 2015 20:21 (5 days ago) Permalink

I was at the second line but left before anything went down, thank god. The parade itself ran further past the scheduled end time than any other I've been to, and it kinda fell apart at the end - two of the three bands, some of the parading club members, a few of the floats and many of the spectators who'd been walking with it simply peeled off in the last half hour. A friend I was with today - a lifetime Treme resident and Yellow Pocahontas Indian - told me most of the police escort left at 4, too, and suggested both the SA&PC and the police deserved some of the blame. Another friend who's a photographer and was also at the parade told me the events were in no way connected, and that a lot of people are angry the event and the social club are getting blamed for a totally unrelated crime. But I think he left at the same time I did, so I don't know.

Futuristic Bow Wow (thewufs), Monday, 23 November 2015 21:01 (5 days ago) Permalink

Everyone on Facebook saying that it's totally unrelated, happened three or four hours after the second line passed through.

expertly crafted referential display name (Jordan), Monday, 23 November 2015 21:05 (5 days ago) Permalink

Right, and from all reports, the shooting would have happened whether or not the second line had taken place.

Futuristic Bow Wow (thewufs), Monday, 23 November 2015 21:14 (5 days ago) Permalink

Or ran overtime, etc.

Futuristic Bow Wow (thewufs), Monday, 23 November 2015 21:14 (5 days ago) Permalink

It's certainly possible that more people were in the park at that time than would have normally been the case. But I just looked at google maps, and Bunny Friend Park is over a mile from where the second line dispersed.

Futuristic Bow Wow (thewufs), Monday, 23 November 2015 21:24 (5 days ago) Permalink

I don't think they were blaming second line participants for the shooting, I think they were blaming the second line, rightly or wrongly, for soaking up police attention in the 9th.

Comprehensive Nuclear Suggest-Ban Theory (benbbag), Tuesday, 24 November 2015 01:39 (4 days ago) Permalink

Yeah, the police escort was pretty much gone by the time the parade ended, and that was an hour before the shooting, so that doesn't wash either.

Futuristic Bow Wow (thewufs), Tuesday, 24 November 2015 05:09 (4 days ago) Permalink

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