Guns n Roses: Critical Rehab

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Matos's phrase on the VMA thread -- meaning, everybody once knew that GnR sucked but now the same people (or their replacements) are busily revising the canonical estimation. It's certainly true that hardly anybody in print media mentions GnR without "acknowledging" that they were great in their day -- what's this all about? Wasn't Appetite for Destruction a mediocre Sunset Strip-metal album at best (filler/hit ratio laughably tilting toward the former term), didn't GnR Lies teach the maxim "strike while the iron is not" to a new generation, and weren't the Use Your Illusions completely forgettable? So how come the critical makeover stateside?

J0hn Darn1elle, Friday, 30 August 2002 19:31 (12 years ago) Permalink

80s retro-fascism rearing its ugly head?
Aren't the UK press just as guilty of this...? Or were they always in Axl and co.'s corner?

Personally I think GnR were shit then and they're certainly shit now. Axl's self-righteous preening and posturing never appealed to me, and I could always get my fix of rock riffs from much more palatable sources (like say, Roth-era Van Halen....)

Shaky Mo Collier, Friday, 30 August 2002 19:35 (12 years ago) Permalink

oh geeze...

chaki (chaki), Friday, 30 August 2002 19:39 (12 years ago) Permalink

Appetite for Destruction doesn't have filler. That is all.

My name is Kenny, Friday, 30 August 2002 19:39 (12 years ago) Permalink

"My Michelle" and "Mr Brownstone"...good heavens, those are dreadful songs

J0hn Darn1elle, Friday, 30 August 2002 19:41 (12 years ago) Permalink

Wasn't Appetite for Destruction a mediocre Sunset Strip-metal album at best

Err, no. I've always placed Guns 'n' Roses well above those other contemporaneous L.A. bands. They had so much going on in their sound: Van Halen/Johnny Thunders/Sex Pistols/T.S.O.L./The Damned/Aerosmith/'70s funk and disco/country-rock... and they incorporated all that REALLY well. The only thing that makes me cringe now is the lyrics, which are a little too by-the-numbers "badass" -- but the sound definitely was badass. Nothing on the radio back then sounded half as tough.

and weren't the Use Your Illusions completely forgettable?

No. UYI 1 rocks just as much as Appetite ("Perfect Crime," "Right Next Door to Hell," "Don't Damn Me," "Dead Horse"), even if it's not as consistent. There are a few duds on that album ("November Rain" isn't bad cuz it's a bad song, it's just REALLY POORLY ARRANGED), but overall I think people underrate it.

Jody Beth Rosen, Friday, 30 August 2002 20:01 (12 years ago) Permalink

Nothing on the radio back then sounded half as tough.
Aw come on, you can't seriously mean that. Slayer went multi-platinum years before the heydays of G'n'R, for starters...

Siegbran Hetteson (eofor), Friday, 30 August 2002 20:47 (12 years ago) Permalink

I remember the first GNR articles and reviews I ever read. First it was "Oh, another LA metal band," then it went to "Hey, Axl may be a great talent even if his band isn't," and then it became "What a great band!"

Christine "Green Leafy Dragon" Indigo (cindigo), Friday, 30 August 2002 20:50 (12 years ago) Permalink

i think they're underrated also, and i really liked the unsettled opened-out self-hatred: it had much more power and unease in pop metal than in most hangover sour-grapes punk, because it crackled so uneasily with the braggadocio

also i really REALLY want to fuck axl (the body not the person: i am not insane thank you)

mark s (mark s), Friday, 30 August 2002 20:56 (12 years ago) Permalink

i am scared of watching that mtv thing, tho: time has left its scar, ppl are saying

mark s (mark s), Friday, 30 August 2002 20:58 (12 years ago) Permalink

"weren't the Use Your Illusions completely forgettable?"

Yes

"Wasn't Appetite for Destruction a mediocre Sunset Strip-metal album at best (filler/hit ratio laughably tilting toward the former term)"

No. It's a big, dumb, seedy, cartoonish, sleazy, hedonistic beast of an album. Great tunes lift it to a higher plateau. Admittedly some stand out more than the others, but it's filler-free. Who could fail to be moved by "Think About You"? Who could fail to be thrilled by Mr.Brownstone? I'm not awaiting their return with great interest, but the reason for their critical rehab is contained within this record. Don't see the need for revision, myself, it's always been good

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 30 August 2002 21:01 (12 years ago) Permalink

This question was asked last year but phrased like this: "when did it become cool to like Guns n Roses?" - my answer now is the same as it was then: at the exact moment that the video for "Welcome to the Jungle" came out.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 30 August 2002 21:12 (12 years ago) Permalink

Aw come on, you can't seriously mean that. Slayer went multi-platinum years before the heydays of G'n'R, for starters...

1) Slayer was on the radio?
2) Slayer was tough?

Jody Beth Rosen, Friday, 30 August 2002 21:12 (12 years ago) Permalink

i am scared of watching that mtv thing, tho: time has left its scar, ppl are saying

I dunno though: I think context may have had something to do with Axl's appearance going over the way it seems to have done. My Weezer-fan coworker saw GnR at Summershine and though she doesn't like them said they were completely great. And I heard bootleg recordings of their New Year's shows from a year or two ago that were pretty great, even for a band I consider mainly a "this is great because these are mediocre times" band.

Which is to say: Slash's understanding of what made Johnny Thunders interesting is like Johnny Thunders minus Johnny Thunders: ditto his reading of late-seventies/early-eighties punk, ditto Axl's super-forced Manson "interest"/heroin dalliances/"controversial" lyrics.

All of which together makes for a fascinating popular figure though

J0hn Darn1elle, Friday, 30 August 2002 21:13 (12 years ago) Permalink

Appetite For Destruction was genuinely startling. Have you seen the movie The Decline and Fall of the Western Civilisation: The Metal Years? Look at the freaks called things like 'Wet Cherry' tumbling out of wet t-shirt contests at 'Gazarri's on the strip' and thank your lucky stars for the passion, firepower and idiot thrills of early-doors Guns.

The two Illusions were, of course, absolutely rubbish, but thankfully so completely and utterly bone-headedly preposterous and grandiose that history will always smile favourably on them. Twin double-albums, The Terminator, grand pianos, Bond themes, Get in the ring motherflipper: They'll always look great on paper however vile they might sound on the stereo.

G Bear, Friday, 30 August 2002 21:16 (12 years ago) Permalink

i think they're underrated also, and i really liked the unsettled opened-out self-hatred: it had much more power and unease in pop metal than in most hangover sour-grapes punk, because it crackled so uneasily with the braggadocio

What you said.

Regarding this "revisionist" thing: I didn't read a lot of rockcrit in the late '80s, aside from metal magazines, but the metal magazines (RIP, Circus) had immense respect for GNR -- much more so than for any other then-popular band (except maybe Metallica).

Jody Beth Rosen, Friday, 30 August 2002 21:17 (12 years ago) Permalink

You guys really should see "White Trash Wins Lotto", as for semi-fictional Axl lore..

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 30 August 2002 21:18 (12 years ago) Permalink

everybody once knew that GnR sucked
The two Illusions were, of course, absolutely rubbish

Now, see, I thought ILM was supposed to be against this kinda loaded-with-assumption, I-think-they-suck-therefore-they-suck-and-everybody-else-must-think-they-suck-too shit. You're getting into Amy Phillips/Pitchfork territory here. (Sorry for all the hyphens.)

Jody Beth Rosen, Friday, 30 August 2002 21:21 (12 years ago) Permalink

Jody this is off-topic but I wuz just looking at your blog and note that you're getting into my favorite band ever Lifter Puller: run don't walk to "Fiestas & Fiascos," a near-perfect album

sorry I get all evangelical abt. LP

J0hn Darn1elle, Friday, 30 August 2002 21:22 (12 years ago) Permalink

Jody this is off-topic but I wuz just looking at your blog and note that you're getting into my favorite band ever Lifter Puller

Yeah, blame Patrin for that one.

Jody Beth Rosen, Friday, 30 August 2002 21:24 (12 years ago) Permalink

Mr. Brownstone is horrendous?!?

Kris (aqueduct), Friday, 30 August 2002 21:25 (12 years ago) Permalink

"Now, see, I thought ILM was supposed to be against this kinda loaded-with-assumption, I-think-they-suck-therefore-they-suck-and-everybody-else-must-think-they-suck-too shit"

Sorry, I wasn't trying to piss anyone off/lead folk on a G'n'R suck crusade. What I think I was trying to say was that I thought the two Illusions were rubbish, but so grand in scope that they were unforgettable. (I'll drop that 'of course' bit in future)

g bear, Friday, 30 August 2002 22:02 (12 years ago) Permalink

The secret of ILM (also the secret of dating, Guns n Roses, and anything else) is knowing when to use 'of course'.

I am totally the kind of tart who thought ew, Guns n Roses, how awful when they first hit and now likes them. But then I had some kind of taste when they first hit and now I like anything. By about 1990 I thought "Sweet Child O'Mine" was brilliant and Appetite followed hotly on its heels.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 30 August 2002 22:12 (12 years ago) Permalink

i still think gareth's gnr = the smiths is utterly inspired, though i haf yet to come up with a single actual justification that travels from my head to someone else's undamaged

mark s (mark s), Friday, 30 August 2002 22:17 (12 years ago) Permalink

so in the end, even Axl's guilty of trading on the past in hopes of future sales? Maybe that's the definition of Chinese Democracy?

count me out

steve k, Friday, 30 August 2002 22:31 (12 years ago) Permalink

I always liked "paradise city" as a kid and then I learned I was not supposed to like Guns and Roses and decided modern rock scared me because it was for people who too drugs and were degenerate. By 13 or so I began to revise my opinion of modern rock, but by then alternative had come and GnR were history so I nevah paid them mind until a few years ago when I saw their videos on VH-1 and thort Wow!

But I like L.A. Guns better anyway, because they really are more of the druggie-degenerates I usta fear.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 31 August 2002 03:32 (12 years ago) Permalink

Also, GnR = Smiths becuz two days ago there were Smiths threads everywhere and now there are GnR threads everywhere.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 31 August 2002 03:35 (12 years ago) Permalink

Kempa did a GNR=The Smiths article a couple years back.

Vic Funk, Saturday, 31 August 2002 11:01 (12 years ago) Permalink

also i really REALLY want to fuck axl

Mark I really really hope you only mean Axl c. '89, because otherwise this is about as "err?" as saying you wanna fuck Liz Taylor.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 31 August 2002 13:27 (12 years ago) Permalink

oh come off it Justyn I mean who doesn't want to fuck Liz Taylor

[silence]

that's what I thought

J0hn Darn1elle, Saturday, 31 August 2002 15:58 (12 years ago) Permalink

NO ONE WHO'S HEARD GNR WOULD SAY THAT!! GET HIM!

Rahul Kamath (Rahul Kamath), Saturday, 31 August 2002 17:30 (12 years ago) Permalink

in my school all the metal-heads were always more for skid row than gnr.

keith, Saturday, 31 August 2002 17:48 (12 years ago) Permalink

That's 'cos Skid Row were a better band

J0hn Darn1elle, Saturday, 31 August 2002 18:17 (12 years ago) Permalink

Okay, now you're just talking crazy.

James Blount, Saturday, 31 August 2002 18:34 (12 years ago) Permalink

I still don't like them very much beyond the level of "adequately hard and energetic sounding", more power to you if you do. The only really special thing I see in Appetite is the sub-Lou Reed seedy-underbelly-of-the-urban-jungle lyrical themes, which only made them uniquely joyless AFAIC. As for all the claims that have been made for them on this and other threads - that they incorporated a uniquely wide range of influences, that they represented some sort of unique punk/hard rock fusion, that they were some sort of unique transition to grunge, that Slash was a great soloist, that they were the American Smiths, . . . - I just don't hear it. I don't see why they should be singled out from their (mostly equally mediocre) peers in any of these regards. Honestly I hear more punk and glam in Poison, more country in Bon Jovi, more disco in Loverboy, more experimentation in Def Leppard's Hysteria, more pathos in Cinderella, lovelier guitar melodies in the Blue Oyster Cult (whom, at least re the one album I own, I will stand by as having been a very good band but maybe that's cheating because they're from the 70s), a more obvious predecessor to grunge in Jane's Addiction . . .

sundar subramanian, Saturday, 31 August 2002 21:09 (12 years ago) Permalink

Honestly I hear more punk and glam in Poison, more country in Bon Jovi, more disco in Loverboy, more experimentation in Def Leppard's Hysteria, more pathos in Cinderella

My response was going to be something like "?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?" but I think I'll just stick with what you said: I don't hear it, but if you do, more power to you. (I guess.)

(More PUNK in POISON????)

Jody Beth Rosen, Saturday, 31 August 2002 21:29 (12 years ago) Permalink

Sundar=100% OTM

Axl's junkie-for-the-camera schtick sucks all the fun right out of the junkie-rock-star pose -- all that's less is dull romanticization of a figure that's only romantic in the hands of a really capable actor like Reed, or Thunders, or whoever else. Whereas Skid Row had all their ducks lined up. "Youth Gone Wild" sounds better now than most anything outta the GnR catalogue, and Sebastian Bach is a way funnier stage name than "Axl Rose." To say nothing of "W. Axl Rose," yeesh.

PS what does this "method not implemented" screen that comes up every so often when trying to post?

J0hn Darn1elle, Saturday, 31 August 2002 21:32 (12 years ago) Permalink

"Youth Gone Wild" sounds better now than most anything outta the GnR catalogue

"Youth Gone Wild" is OK. It's the Steve Forbert of that sorta thing. It doesn't really do much musically; it's loud but kinda flaccid.

Jody Beth Rosen, Saturday, 31 August 2002 21:42 (12 years ago) Permalink

More PUNK in POISON????

In "Talk Dirty To Me" alone, if nothing else. Unless you buy into punk being about a spirit instead of a sound or something like that. And even then, why G'n'R instead of Poison? [OT: What is this spirit that punk is always supposed to be about? Any time I hear it explained it always just sounds like basic principles of self-assertiveness that institutional authority figures prescribe to you when you're 10. Or else petty childish selfishness. Or some hybrid of the two. It's more interesting if it's a specific approach to sound.]

I don't think the Bon Jovi/country, Loverboy/disco, or Hysteria/experimentation connections really need explanation beyond a quick listen to side 2 of New Jersey, "Turn Me Loose", or "Rocket". Most of these bands weren't necessarily worth all that much (I don't intend to sit through a whole Poison album anytime soon) but neither was G'n'R AFAIC.

sundar subramanian, Sunday, 1 September 2002 01:41 (12 years ago) Permalink

In "Talk Dirty To Me" alone, if nothing else.

Welllllllllllllllllllllllllllll, it sorta sounds like it could be a Dictators song, albeit not a very good one. Most of the music historically defined as "punk" was not that sexist, though, unless we're talking about crap like Hatebreed.

Jody Beth Rosen, Sunday, 1 September 2002 02:00 (12 years ago) Permalink

completely unrelated, but I've wondered what makes these dumm misogynist hair-metal clowns more convincing lovers than their supersensitive emo counterparts.

"You know I call you, I call you on the telephone
I'm only hopin' that you're home
So I can hear you
When you say those words to me
And whisper so softly
I've gotta hear you
Cause baby we'll be..."

that's the real shit!

Aaron A., Sunday, 1 September 2002 02:12 (12 years ago) Permalink

I'll look thick for a minute. It's entirely possible that I'm not attuned enough but I just looked up the words to "Talk Dirty To Me" - What do you find sexist about it?

sundar subramanian, Sunday, 1 September 2002 02:32 (12 years ago) Permalink

Hatebreed are one of the most asexual bands I can think of, how in the world are they sexist?

Kris (aqueduct), Sunday, 1 September 2002 03:04 (12 years ago) Permalink

I'll look thick for a minute. It's entirely possible that I'm not attuned enough but I just looked up the words to "Talk Dirty To Me" - What do you find sexist about it?

"You never act the way you should" -- Bret Michaels likes his girls slutty, but he knows that it's not the way they should act.

If some guy told me I wasn't acting the way I should, I'd fucking smack him. But it's entirely possible I'm not attuned enough.

Jody Beth Rosen, Sunday, 1 September 2002 03:11 (12 years ago) Permalink

Hatebreed are one of the most asexual bands I can think of, how in the world are they sexist?

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that I consider fag-bashing a sexist act -- against men not acting the way they should.

Jody Beth Rosen, Sunday, 1 September 2002 03:13 (12 years ago) Permalink

Punks liked bad girls too. But then punk lyrics were impressively asexual. "I don't wanna grow up" was a brilliant song for punks to cover, but only because it wasn't written by a punk group. dig?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 1 September 2002 03:18 (12 years ago) Permalink

"you never act the way you should," as in the way your parents want you to. wink, wink.

Aaron A., Sunday, 1 September 2002 03:56 (12 years ago) Permalink

sexy/sexist vs. rocking/rockist fite!

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 1 September 2002 04:02 (12 years ago) Permalink

"you never act the way you should," as in the way your parents want you to.

Ah, but he doesn't say that!

Jody Beth Rosen, Sunday, 1 September 2002 04:07 (12 years ago) Permalink

Oh, and I just wanna stress that although I do love Guns 'n' Roses, I don't love the sexism in Axl's lyrics.

Jody Beth Rosen, Sunday, 1 September 2002 04:16 (12 years ago) Permalink

Schedule was so behind that the "Chinese Democracy" released were just the demos. You should have heard what Axl wanted it to sound like, had the label just shown a little ... patience.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 20:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah can we please have an Izzy bio. Pleeeeease.

I ordered Ju Ju Hounds album, should be showing up tonight :D
It's only available as an import, apparently. Not v expensive. I guess it went OOP in the US?

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 20:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

I saw a review on Amazon calling that album the 90s "Exile on Mainstreet"

Poliopolice, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

I listened to it for the first time the other day and I was shocked by how good it is (upthread I think?). I'd heard it was good, and it has a lot of good/glowing reviews but I was still kinda skeptical. But yeah, it's the real deal. Verrrrrrrrry stones. ie my wheelhouse, lol

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

"Shuffle It All" got a lil MTV rotation, i asked for (and received) the CD for Christmas 1992.

push iatee (some dude), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

Wow, just came across this interesting audio-- Izzy's isolated track from "Welcome to the Jungle"

Poliopolice, Thursday, 1 November 2012 03:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

Izzy album, the first one, iirc, is no better or worse than the first couple of Black Crowes albums.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 November 2012 14:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

What I love about the guitars on "Appetite" is that they are so, so far from the virtuoso precision of the day. They're sloppy but awesome.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 November 2012 14:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

don't know the albums but BC were a pretty killer singles act in that run

some dude, Thursday, 1 November 2012 14:25 (2 years ago) Permalink

They sort of approach as Izzy, actually. Stones-y riffs, vibe over precision, etc.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 November 2012 14:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

Same sort, that is.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 November 2012 14:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

The first couple of Black Crowes records are good. No problem with that comparison, though there's more early Aerosmith sound in the Ju Ju Hounds.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 1 November 2012 14:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Stones/solo Keef by way of Black Crowes, yeah I'll buy that.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 1 November 2012 16:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

So... I have a lingering question from my youth... When Axl enjoins us to feel his serpentine, is he like talking about his dick and stuff

Poliopolice, Thursday, 1 November 2012 16:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

didn't you read the interview, he has a zoo.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 1 November 2012 16:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

hm... so the jungle is literal. huh.

Poliopolice, Thursday, 1 November 2012 16:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

exactly.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 1 November 2012 16:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

I write him a note every so often reminding him that serpentine is an adjective and that verbs traditionally want a noun, so probably "serpent" is the better call if he ever gets around to a rewrite, or perhaps "serpentine penis" if he wants to draw out the line a little

Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 1 November 2012 18:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

those 'motivational poster' memes that use adjectives and nouns interchangeably are just further proof that axl was a prophet

some dude, Thursday, 1 November 2012 18:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

Now a race of snake people in LEGO Ninjago.

how's life, Thursday, 1 November 2012 18:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

serpentine: a mineral or rock consisting essentially of a hydrous magnesium silicate usually having a dull green color and often a mottled appearance

Poliopolice, Thursday, 1 November 2012 18:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

serpentine: a mineral or rock consisting essentially of a hydrous magnesium silicate usually having a dull green color and often a mottled appearance, usu. found in the jungle

trebek sajak iii (cwkiii), Thursday, 1 November 2012 18:35 (2 years ago) Permalink

serpentine: a mineral or rock consisting essentially of a hydrous magnesium silicate usually having a dull green color and often a mottled appearance, usu. found in the jungle

how's life, Thursday, 1 November 2012 18:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

Appetite for Destruction was the first album I ever bought. When I was a kid, I thought "You're Crazy" was about someone endearingly wild and free-spirited. I now realize that I was probably wrong.

Poliopolice, Friday, 2 November 2012 22:18 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol well axl is endearingly wild and free-spirited

some dude, Friday, 2 November 2012 22:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

Seems appropriate: Axl suspended above the audience playing grand piano, equally isolated from band and audience:

http://instagram.com/p/RlgYAuNDua/

pretty even gender split (Eazy), Monday, 5 November 2012 18:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

Izzy joins GnR on stage in Vegas: http://www.spin.com/articles/guns-n-roses-end-las-vegas-residency-izzy-stradlin

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 26 November 2012 19:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

Vegas would seem like a perfect place for Axl, in a compound with 20-ft-high walls next to Penn's.

Artie Bucco Drummer Type (Eazy), Monday, 26 November 2012 20:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

Good old Izzy.

Love Axl wandering around in the distant background and then trotting back to the front whenever there's a chorus. It's like he's doing a tribute to the Mah Na Mah Na sketch from the Muppets.

wump, Monday, 26 November 2012 20:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

that's...just how "14 Years" goes though?

The Doc Morbama (some dude), Monday, 26 November 2012 20:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

axl sounds pretty good in that clip with izzy!

U.S. State Department, Office of Rare Psych (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 26 November 2012 21:56 (2 years ago) Permalink

like izzy's threads too, he looks slick

U.S. State Department, Office of Rare Psych (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 26 November 2012 21:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

izzy still sounds p good - seems healthy no? and yeah axl sounds good with him

love 14 years

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 November 2012 21:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol speaking of muppets izzy's hat/glasses combo kinda reminds me of Zoot the sax player from Dr Teeth's Band

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 November 2012 21:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

in a good way

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 November 2012 21:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

izzy's got one of those voices where he sounded like a 50 year old at 30, so yeah good on you for sounding the same when it's age appropriate haha

The Doc Morbama (some dude), Monday, 26 November 2012 22:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 26 November 2012 22:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

izzy's still one cool motherfucker

14 years, huh. this song could actually be about the making of Chinese Democracy.

charlie h, Tuesday, 27 November 2012 00:16 (2 years ago) Permalink

we need to get word to izzy to stage a coup, oust axl and all those plastic-faced weirdos and bring back slash and duff

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 November 2012 00:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

14 years, huh. this song could actually be about the making of Chinese Democracy.

― charlie h, Tuesday, November 27, 2012 12:16 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it is pretty funny: a song izzy wrote about 14 years of friendship when they were 28, and there were 14 years between GNR's last official release and Chinese Democracy. And the lyrics are pretty apt.

Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 27 November 2012 00:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

we need to get word to izzy to stage a coup, oust axl and all those plastic-faced weirdos and bring back slash and duff

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, November 27, 2012 12:19 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Axl-Izzy sideproject would be the best imo

Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 27 November 2012 00:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah that's true

songwriting-wise, definitely

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 November 2012 00:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

they recorded one Izzy song for CD, probably the unreleased song I most want to hear

Matt Armstrong, Tuesday, 27 November 2012 00:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

really? i didn't know that

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 November 2012 00:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm glad he's still on ok terms with axl - I dunno why but it gives me hope, lol

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 November 2012 00:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

Izzy's early exit is prob why he's the only member of the classic lineup who seems to be cool w/ everyone -- he saw where things were headed and got out peacefully before it got ugly

The Doc Morbama (some dude), Tuesday, 27 November 2012 00:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

small-scale fux with (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Sunday, 23 December 2012 05:11 (1 year ago) Permalink

i posted that on the "welcome to the jungle" thread a few days ago.

gimme some reggae! (get bent), Sunday, 23 December 2012 05:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

Oh. Should be posted in every thread prolly.

small-scale fux with (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Sunday, 23 December 2012 05:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

believe me, i've thought about doing that

fanute me or shoot me (some dude), Sunday, 23 December 2012 05:50 (1 year ago) Permalink


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