Wilco - The Whole Love

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So far, Wilco have laid down some 20 tracks for the album, which has the working title of Get Well Soon Everybody. Tweedy says the material fits into two categories: experimental-leaning rock and "cinematic-sounding country music…you know, folk music."

http://www.spin.com/articles/jeff-tweedy-talks-wilcos-irreverent-fall-album

markers, Saturday, 23 April 2011 18:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

yuck. couldn't they just send out some chicken noodle soup and a Hallmark card?

administratieve blunder (unregistered), Saturday, 23 April 2011 18:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

markers, Saturday, 23 April 2011 18:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

Weird to see Michael Moore without his glasses.

Funky Mustard (People It's Bad) (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 23 April 2011 18:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

really thought that url read irrelavent for a minute

reallysmoothmusic (Jamie_ATP), Saturday, 23 April 2011 18:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

"I spit and swallowed opioids"

buzza, Saturday, 23 April 2011 18:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

But I have no doubt that the second this record becomes available there's somebody sitting in a basement at their computer with the word 'meh' already typed up, waiting to post a review."

what a petulant douche

een, Saturday, 23 April 2011 18:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

Ilx gonna make me the biggest wilco fans. Could we get more of u corn balls fronting tuff guy abt this band?

O da Huge Manatee (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 23 April 2011 18:54 (2 years ago) Permalink

^^ love this

markers, Saturday, 23 April 2011 19:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

ha
been on a little tupelo kick lately, so that'll probably lead into a wilco kick. even though wilco (the album) was prob my least favorite of theirs, still excited to hear the new stuff!

tylerw, Saturday, 23 April 2011 19:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

I haven't fucked w/ wilco in a long minute but I think this is an awesome title

bernard snowy, Saturday, 23 April 2011 19:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

I like Wilco, used to love them & then kinda lost track after A Ghost Is Born (was annoyed about the rehab thing b/c I was excited to see them at Coachella that year & alas they couldn't make it). I've listened to the live album once & the next album a couple of times, but not the latest one yet (b/c the reviews were bleh & time is always short/demands more Pink Floyd bootlegs/etc.). I'm tentatively excited about a new one I guess! as one ought to be for a former favorite band.

Euler, Saturday, 23 April 2011 19:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's always tough when you're faced with the decision between "new album by whoever" vs. pink floyd bootlegs. even if you pick that new album, in your heart of hearts you're still thinking about that floyd bootleg.

tylerw, Saturday, 23 April 2011 19:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

Live at Paris Cinema, London, 30-09-1971 is really hot! "Fat Old Sun"! give me one like that, Jeff Tweedy, & we'll talk again.

Euler, Saturday, 23 April 2011 19:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

Oh, if only we had a thread about Floyd boots.

bRon To Run (MaresNest), Saturday, 23 April 2011 19:42 (2 years ago) Permalink

Tyler did you get that record store day link floyd thing?

O da Huge Manatee (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

what a petulant douche

I'm only a moderate Wilco fan--a huge fan of two or three songs--but I love that Tweedy quote. If you're going to take on people who hate your work (and preemptively, at that), you have to go about it with a bit of style and humour or, agreed, you come off as petulant. Lou Reed's Christgau line would be one example of how to do it right, and Tweedy's quote for me is another--the throwaway "meh" is perfect.

clemenza, Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

This from a guy whose most lavishly praised record broke thanks to dudes dying to hear his music downloading it "in the basement." He's like Brian Williams sticking it to "bloggers in bathrobes."

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

xpost That's a weird definition of style & humor.

We make bouquets that fade immediately. (Turangalila), Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

But "meh"--as Homer Simpson says, it's funny because it's true.

clemenza, Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's always the critical darlings that are the most remarkably thin-skinned and paranoid about their detractors

some dude, Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

that's not even thin-skinned or paranoid though, it's sorta realistic

iatee, Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

This from a guy whose most lavishly praised record broke thanks to dudes dying to hear his music downloading it "in the basement." He's like Brian Williams sticking it to "bloggers in bathrobes."

― My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, April 23, 2011 3:24 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this is a pretty blatant misreading of his quote. he's not taking a shot at dudes who download music in their basements, he's taking a shot at people who have prejudged the album before even hearing it.

congratulations (n/a), Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:45 (2 years ago) Permalink

I wouldn't say you can make any generalizations about that. Some of them, yes; others, especially after they've been around for a while, seem completely removed from whatever's written about them. Anyway, I skimmed the Spin piece, and you guys are making a big deal out of one line. It's not like he started railing against critics or anything.

clemenza, Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

that's not even thin-skinned or paranoid though, it's sorta realistic

― iatee, Saturday, April 23, 2011 4:44 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

well, of course there are going to be people downloading any record that comes out and saying negative things about it on the internet. that's every record. but a new Wilco album, more than most other albums, stands a good chance of a top 5 chart debut and a 4 star review from Rolling Stone. successful people whining about what the "haters" will say about something that isn't even out yet is pretty paranoid imo.

some dude, Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

"whining"

markers, Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

The finished album may be one of the group's most adventurous yet. "I do think it's a little bit more obnoxious and irreverent of a pop record than people have heard from us, maybe, ever," he says. "And that's exciting. But I have no doubt that the second this record becomes available there's somebody sitting in a basement at their computer with the word 'meh' already typed up, waiting to post a review."

markers, Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

If it were actual whining, I'd agree with you; Tweedy's comment seems much more playful to me, like he just said it because he wanted to make fun of the word "meh."

clemenza, Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:51 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah what's going on in this thread is closer to 'whining' than what he actually said

iatee, Saturday, 23 April 2011 20:53 (2 years ago) Permalink

get well soon everybody

markers, Saturday, 23 April 2011 21:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

Considering the first few responses in this thread were kind of in that dismissive vein, I think Tweedy makes a valid point.

Binjominia, Saturday, 23 April 2011 21:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

ok not whining per se, but it's definitely preemptive snark. like, everyone says they're excited about the new album they're working on and that they hope people will love it, of course they know not everyone will but what's even the point of going "oh some loser already decided to pan the record before he's heard it"

some dude, Saturday, 23 April 2011 21:03 (2 years ago) Permalink

I think we should get Tweedy to post on ILM. We could talk about Wilco; maybe he'll poll their oeuvre; but I bet he has a killer archive of Floyd bootlegs & it would be cool to get access to that.

Euler, Saturday, 23 April 2011 21:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

also butthurt is kinda Tweedy's thing, like going back to Uncle Tupelo days ("Watch Me Fall", "We've Been Had") & continues into Wilco days.

Euler, Saturday, 23 April 2011 21:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/contributor/1809188793

buzza, Saturday, 23 April 2011 21:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

lol

markers, Saturday, 23 April 2011 21:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

Their previous album should have been titled "Meh"

Beggar On A Beach Of Shite. (PaulTMA), Saturday, 23 April 2011 21:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

Wilco (Meh Album)

some dude, Saturday, 23 April 2011 21:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

Being Butthurt

markers, Saturday, 23 April 2011 21:21 (2 years ago) Permalink

Wilco (The Album) was my favorite Wilco release in many years, so meh to you. xps

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 23 April 2011 21:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

this is a pretty blatant misreading of his quote. he's not taking a shot at dudes who download music in their basements, he's taking a shot at people who have prejudged the album before even hearing it.

I was referring to his use of the by now cliched designation of critics as guys in basements.

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 April 2011 22:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

banjee trillness (The Reverend), Saturday, 23 April 2011 22:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

Does Kanye ever wear skinny jeans?

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 April 2011 22:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

I don't really ever feel like listening to a who;e Wilco album but I like a bunch of individual tracks

" experimental-leaning rock and "cinematic-sounding country music…you know, folk music. "
^sounds good to me

"jesus etc." is chamber folk and if that is what they're going for then good for them. i'd tell them to lean in towards chamber stuff and lean away from country stuff though

poplocking nazis from space (CaptainLorax), Saturday, 23 April 2011 22:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

Man, Jesus etc. is so good.

She Got the Shakes, Saturday, 23 April 2011 22:33 (2 years ago) Permalink

^^^ my favorite Wilco song.

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 April 2011 22:34 (2 years ago) Permalink

The fact that Jay Bennett is no longer alive continues to bother me. It would have nice to think that one day they could eventually work together again - Jay said as much himself.

Beggar On A Beach Of Shite. (PaulTMA), Saturday, 23 April 2011 23:23 (2 years ago) Permalink

that pic is from like 10 years ago before skinny jeans really existed in rap

some dude, Sunday, 24 April 2011 00:02 (2 years ago) Permalink

haha -- I was musing aloud.

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 April 2011 00:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

(it had nothing to do with the pic)

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 April 2011 00:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

I merely brought up the #1 business because of aerosmith's "you really honestly think that?", like I was trying to pull something over him by defending some song that nobody else in the world loved. Pretty sure I never resort to a populist argument to defend the work itself, i.e. millions like it = therefore it's good. My point was that millions like it = why do you seem so surprised that I might like it too?

clemenza, Sunday, 2 October 2011 12:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

Poor Wilco. That's what you get for making fun of "I Gotta Feeling," Jeff Tweedy--your thread gets hijacked.

(By the way, I love Eazy's lengthy defense of the song, especially "The days of the week make it a hit with the under-six set"--just like the Jackson 5's "ABC." I hope I'm not being reeled in by an ingenious parody...)

clemenza, Sunday, 2 October 2011 12:49 (2 years ago) Permalink

I will say, as a parent of two kids (like Jeff Tweedy!) I've found that small children are overwhelmingly drawn to music that is simplistic and repetitive, and that the better they can understand the lyrics, the more they like it. Hence, little kids (in my experience) don't like rap, terribly, or metal or stuff that's hard to follow. But they do like modern country and piffle like BEP, which is the pop equivalent to a t-ball stand. No one strikes out.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 2 October 2011 13:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

Chuck Eddy would do a better job of taking up this argument than I can, but I'd take issue with the idea that "I Gotta Feeling" is simplistic. I understand your basic point, though. (No kids of my own, but I spend six hours a day with 25 of them.)

clemenza, Sunday, 2 October 2011 13:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

when I worked with kids I was a lot more sympathetic to songs like this because I could see them enjoying them, and what's more infectious than that. I do recall with pleasure though a discussion of Pink's "Get This Party Started" that involved exploration of the imperative mood & whether the consequent on not getting the party started was the threat of physical violence toward the listener/addressee

pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 2 October 2011 14:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

clemenza I got love for IGAF but comparing it to ABC is SB-territory

dayo, Sunday, 2 October 2011 14:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

(Not a parody--I've just spent some time under the hood with IGAF, figuring out how that engine hums!)

per metal injection (Eazy), Sunday, 2 October 2011 14:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

(And apologies for the big hijack. I streamed The Whole Love on NPR earlier this week. I liked not knowing when one track ended and the next began.)

per metal injection (Eazy), Sunday, 2 October 2011 14:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

Haha, fair enough, clemenza - I misread you and thought you were resorting to "if millions of ppl like it it must be good." Didn't seem like your kind of argument.

Honestly, though, it's a terrible terrible song. Putting it in a category with "Wedding Bell Blues" is definitely smdh territory.

Age ain't nothin' but a Tumblr (Phil D.), Sunday, 2 October 2011 14:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Good--I'm sometimes not sure when I'm on ILM. I'm an aging homebody with three left feet, so I really like your stuff about dancing.

I love "I Gotta Feeling" more than "ABC," more even than "I Want You Back." True story. (But not more than "I Am Trying to Break Your Heart" or "Wedding Bell Blues.")

clemenza, Sunday, 2 October 2011 14:30 (2 years ago) Permalink

last night when i got IGF stuck in my head because of this thread i remembered fergie's "i know we'll have a ball" section and was like oh damn this song totally has more than one hook, it's so well constructed, fuck what those guys were saying

some dude, Sunday, 2 October 2011 14:31 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm totally sympathetic, per aero's example, to what kids like and why they like it. But as with food, I find the quality of what they like, generally speaking, directly disproportional to how much they like it. For example, the shittier the microwave pizza, the more the kids like it, no doubt due to all the extra fat, salt and stuff, and lack of complexity. Labor for a couple of days on an awesome dough, homemade sauce and fresh seasonings/toppings, and you'll have a barely touched dinner. I've exposed my kids to all manner of music, from "Music for Airports" through Iron Maiden, but I know what's made the biggest impression on my older one is the mix my friend made for her aerobics workout, which she used to play in the car driving my daughter back from gymnastics.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 2 October 2011 14:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

For example, the shittier the microwave pizza, the more the kids like it, no doubt due to all the extra fat, salt and stuff, and lack of complexity.

"I Gotta Feeling" is the equivalent of a homemade pizza then, with all the strange, wonderful things you'd add.

Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 2 October 2011 14:38 (2 years ago) Permalink

Josh: I hope you can appreciate that the idea that Iron Maiden is more complex than "I Gotta Feeling" is as baffling to someone like me as the appeal of "I Gotta Feeling" is to you. The older I get, the more I realize that arguing taste is a dead end.

clemenza, Sunday, 2 October 2011 14:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

Not arguing tastes, as such. Just noting how my own personal tastes are not aligned with that of many six-year olds I've met.

Not saying Iron Maiden or "Music for Airports" are better than BEP in this case. Just that there's too much abstract stuff going on for little brains to grasp. Not complex as a complement, just literally less repetition, more parts. Sometimes to their detriment. Kids can't process that shit. Again, that's not a diss. It just seems to be true from my perspective.

By the way, you guys ever heard "Bananaphone?" It's a jam.

And come on, "I Gotta Feeling," like it or not, is totally microwave pizza. Sometimes microwave pizza hits the spot. Especially if you're little and don't like food of different colors touching one another.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 2 October 2011 15:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

;)

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 2 October 2011 15:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

one sunday morning is really lovely

(♯`∧´) (gbx), Sunday, 2 October 2011 21:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

also standing o sounds vaguely like a supergrass song??

(♯`∧´) (gbx), Sunday, 2 October 2011 21:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

This album is bookended by two of their best ever songs imo. So much so that so far it's hard to get past them and listen properly to the rest.

Science, you guys. Science. (DL), Sunday, 2 October 2011 23:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

Funny that they recently covered Nick Lowe, because some of the poppier stuff in the middle reminded me a bit of him. But the skronky guitar reminds me a lot of the Pixies.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 3 October 2011 01:27 (2 years ago) Permalink

I finished listening to this for the first time (I'm not a big Wilco fan but I like a few of their songs)

I'm going to say Dud - I could barely keep my ears open. But I can easily picture a bunch of Kaputt fans loving this

ℓ٥ﻻ ﻉ√٥υ (CaptainLorax), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 20:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

hmm, how is kaputt similar to this?

tylerw, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 20:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

musical scale/note selection. less than inspiring vocals. soft rock opus type stuff

ℓ٥ﻻ ﻉ√٥υ (CaptainLorax), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 20:14 (2 years ago) Permalink

nah.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 21:11 (2 years ago) Permalink

first track and last track are cool, don't know about much in between.

This.

jaymc, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 21:39 (2 years ago) Permalink

I wonder how anyone can call this soft rock. The guitar playing is more scuzzed and abrasive than the band has been in years, and while the rhythm section is similarly more slick, I don't see how anyone can listen to Kotche/Stirratt and not be impressed.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 21:44 (2 years ago) Permalink

I noticed some very talented playing but nothing grooved with me. "Soft rock" wasn't meant to be a bad thing. Some tracks weren't soft rock in a traditional sense but they still made me sleepy.

ℓ٥ﻻ ﻉ√٥υ (CaptainLorax), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 22:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

last track is quite good, but also too repetitive.

nostormo, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 22:50 (2 years ago) Permalink

just listened to this for the first time. i really liked it, seemed much better than their last album. i love Sky Blue Sky so it has a ways to go to be better than that for me.

Bee OK, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

The autopilot of W(TA) really lowered the bar to ankle level, so new one's a huge relief.

Peas, Ants, Pigs & Astronauts (PaulTMA), Friday, 7 October 2011 13:19 (2 years ago) Permalink

Saw them in Nashville for work. Very different sets each night, but Art of Almost and One Sunday Morning both nights, both sounding great. And I'm not really a big guitar solo guy but Nels Cline's solo during Impossible Germany was ridiculous. This line-up is so tight now.

Science, you guys. Science. (DL), Friday, 7 October 2011 13:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

Heard "I Might" on the radio yesterday--excellent. The backing track has such an unusual '60s feel.

clemenza, Friday, 7 October 2011 19:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

3 weeks pass...

Finally bought this today after much dithering - really adore the opening track, predictably, but wish the stuff in the middle, as elegant and well played and composed as it is, was a bit more akin to it. The songwriting of the middl stretch is growing on me, though.

Sick Mouthy (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 31 October 2011 17:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

Jeff Tweedy retired today!

Euler, Tuesday, 1 November 2011 04:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

6 months pass...

and i know that i won't be the last, cold captain tied to the mast

markers, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 00:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

Saw most of the minor league park set last night. I suspect I'm in the minority, but I really wish Nels would just sit a couple of songs out. Or that someone would tell him that it's OK no to constantly noodle-noodle over everything.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 July 2012 16:06 (1 year ago) Permalink

Haven't seen them recently, but I think I'm pretty much ready to vehemently disagree with you there.

How was that for a venue? It seemed like a fun show idea.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 9 July 2012 16:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

It was OK. Ticket window seemed a bit overwhelmed, and traffic was predictably slow getting in, but the vibe was nice even if the band's bro contingent was in beyond full effect. Posters sucked, surprisingly.

I just don't like Nels in this context. Don't like his tone, don't like his solos, don't like "Impossible Germany" ...

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 July 2012 16:24 (1 year ago) Permalink

They can do better than this:

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 July 2012 16:25 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yes they can, decent idea with horrible execution. Heh, I love "Impossible Germany" and his tone.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 9 July 2012 16:27 (1 year ago) Permalink

does tweedy play much lead these days? i kinda dug it when he started stretching out on guitar in the pre-Nels days.

tylerw, Monday, 9 July 2012 16:28 (1 year ago) Permalink

I just don't like Nels in this context. Don't like his tone, don't like his solos, don't like "Impossible Germany" ...

lol that's prob my favorite Wilco song

Never translate Dutch (jaymc), Monday, 9 July 2012 16:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

It might be my favorite Wilco song ... title.

Not a lot of Jeff skronk, though I dig it when he does.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 July 2012 16:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

8 months pass...

this album is really good, which is surprising as ive never really liked any of their post-YHF stuff which i found boring and meandering. this is the wilco sound i missed listening to.

Old Boy In Network (Michael B), Saturday, 16 March 2013 12:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

It's because they started doing power pop again. They were good at that. Wish they would do more of it

'Separate Lives', by Phil Collins & Marilyn Manson (PaulTMA), Saturday, 16 March 2013 13:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

I wish they will do more of One Sunday Morning.

Van Horn Street, Saturday, 16 March 2013 16:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

^^^this

c'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas le beurre (imago), Saturday, 16 March 2013 16:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

i wish Jim O'rourke will rejoin them

nostormo, Saturday, 16 March 2013 16:32 (1 year ago) Permalink

This is their best album since YHF.

they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 16 March 2013 21:04 (1 year ago) Permalink

It's because they started doing power pop again

its not just power pop though, the mellow songs really hit the spot. "whole love" and "one sunday morning" make a great ending to the album.

Old Boy In Network (Michael B), Saturday, 16 March 2013 22:22 (1 year ago) Permalink


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