best Butch Vig-produced album

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this question was posed as a non-poll thread last year, but of course IT DOESN'T COUNT UNLESS IT'S A POLL: What album was Butch Vig's best work as a producer?

mostly just curious if Siamese Dream or anything else can give Nevermind respectable competition

Poll Results

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* 1993: The Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream 15
* 1991: Nirvana - Nevermind 15
* 1992: Sonic Youth - Dirty 11
* 1998: Garbage - Version 2.0 8
* 1989: Killdozer - For Ladies Only 4
* 1991: Tad - 8-Way Santa 4
* 1985: Killdozer - 12 Point Buck / Snakeboy 4
* 1992: Chainsaw Kittens - Flipped Out in Singapore 3
* 1994: Freedy Johnston - This Perfect World 3
* 1990: Urge Overkill - Americruiser 3
* 1995: Garbage - Garbage 2
* 1992: L7 - Bricks Are Heavy 2
* 1994: Sonic Youth - Experimental Jet Set, Trash and No Star 2
* 1991: The Smashing Pumpkins - Gish 2
* 1987: Killdozer - Little Baby Buntin' 2
* 1984: Killdozer - Intellectuals Are the Shoeshine Boys of the Ruling Elite 2
* 1990: Laughing Hyenas - Life of Crime 1
* 2010: Against Me! - White Crosses 1
* 2010: Never Shout Never - Harmony 1
* 2009: Green Day - 21st Century Breakdown 1
* 1994: Helmet - Betty 1
* 1994: Killdozer - Uncompromising War on Art Under... 1
* 2011: Foo Fighters - Wasting Light 0
* 1997: The And - Day / And Night 0
* 2001: Garbage - Beautiful Garbage 0
* 2003: AFI - Sing the Sorrow 0
* 2005: Garbage - Bleed Like Me 0
* 2009: Foo Fighters - Greatest Hits 0
* 2006: Kilroy - LP 0
* 2007: Jimmy Eat World - Chase This Light 0
* 2008: Tom Gabel - Heart Burns 0
* 2008: The Subways - All or Nothing 0
* 2007: Against Me! - New Wave 0
* 1995: Soul Asylum - Let Your Dim Light Shine 0
* 1987: The Other Kids - Happy Home 0
* 1988: Die Kreuzen - Century Days 0
* 1988: The Cheeters - Sign of Fire 0
* 1989: Stuart Stotts - Music in My Mother's House 0
* 1990: King Snake Roost - Ground into Dirt 0
* 1982: Die Kreuzen - Internal 0
* 1990/1991: The Fluid - Glue / Spot the Loon 0
* 1991: Young Fresh Fellows - Electric Bird Digest 0
* 1991: Die Kreuzen - Cement 0
* 1992: Drain - Pick Up Heaven 0
* 1992/1993: Gumball - Wisconsin Hayride / Super Tasty / The Damage Done / Real Gone Deal 0
* 1993: Crash Vegas - Stone 0
* 1991: Overwhelming Colorfast - Overwhelming Colorfast 0
* 1985: The Other Kids - Living In The Mirror 0


some dude, Friday, 15 April 2011 15:10 (thirteen years ago) link

btw folded some consecutive albums with the same band into one poll option to get it under 50

some dude, Friday, 15 April 2011 15:10 (thirteen years ago) link

You guys know you should really vote for Tad in this thing right?

ridic beau (NickB), Friday, 15 April 2011 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link

i love being able to vote for Experimental Jet Set, Trash and No Star in things.
I was kinda into that Helmet record when I was 15, that was as metal as I ever got.

mizzell, Friday, 15 April 2011 15:16 (thirteen years ago) link

Tad or Laughing Hyenas. Probably Tad.

EZ Snappin, Friday, 15 April 2011 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link

ha yeah i will probably vote for Siamese Dream but Experimental Jet Set is in my top 2 and it's tempting to vote for such a perversely atypical pick.

i was listening to Dirty last night though and really i LOVE the way he made Sonic Youth sound on that record, if it wasn't so long and poorly sequenced it'd be totally on Nevermind/Siamese Dream level

some dude, Friday, 15 April 2011 15:18 (thirteen years ago) link

voted For Ladies Only by Killdozer, fuck the fucking Foo Fighters

Ward Fowler, Friday, 15 April 2011 15:21 (thirteen years ago) link

love "Accelerator" from Gumball's Super Tasty, can't remember any other songs, though

mizzell, Friday, 15 April 2011 15:25 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm very tempted to vote for Bricks Are Heavy, which has held up marvelously, in no small part because of each song sounds like a diamond pounded into a boulder.

i was listening to Dirty last night though and really i LOVE the way he made Sonic Youth sound on that record

I agree, even if the album itself isn't one of my favorites.

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 April 2011 15:25 (thirteen years ago) link

This list leaves out Juvenile Truth's No Enemy cassette and Appliances-SFB's SFB, both 1984. Classic Madison punk. Didn't he produce Die Kreuzen's debut?

I'd probably go with Dirty.

Pete Scholtes, Friday, 15 April 2011 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link

One of the Killdozers or L7.

A Zed and Two Nults (Noodle Vague), Friday, 15 April 2011 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link

shoulda used Scholtesapedia instead of Wiki for this list

some dude, Friday, 15 April 2011 15:31 (thirteen years ago) link

The first Sonic Youth track I heard was "Sugar Kane", which sounded AMAZING to me at the time - obv pretty atypical for SY and even the rest of Dirty doesn't sound much like it, but may vote Dirty just for that

having some trouble working out which of these I like purely due to nostalgia and which still stand up today - a relisten to L7/Helmet/UO may be in order before I can vote, but otherwise Tad is also looking pretty tempting

dimension hatris (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 15 April 2011 15:39 (thirteen years ago) link

I often wonder whether producing the likes of Garbage is exactly what Vig's ethos is for.

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 April 2011 15:40 (thirteen years ago) link

i.e. making gothic corn sound like the hammer of the gods

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 April 2011 15:41 (thirteen years ago) link

I think the reason he produced Garbage is because he was in the band.

Matt DC, Friday, 15 April 2011 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link

Blimey though his workrate was INSANE in the early 90s.

Matt DC, Friday, 15 April 2011 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link

kinda immaterial though -- lookit what he did with the Pumpkins and SY!

xpost

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 April 2011 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link

btw folded some consecutive albums with the same band into one poll option to get it under 50

obv someone here doesn't realize that every gumball album is a snowflake

da croupier, Friday, 15 April 2011 15:49 (thirteen years ago) link

Sorta tempted to vote for New Wave because that shit sounded so great, but I'd be leaving out several albums on this list that I hold near and dear to my heart.

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 15 April 2011 15:49 (thirteen years ago) link

since i can't give Wisconsin Hayride it's due without also repping for the commercial compromises on Super Tasty and the tragic conservative backstepping of The Damage Done (Real Gone Deal is ok tho), I guess I'll vote for Nevermind

da croupier, Friday, 15 April 2011 15:51 (thirteen years ago) link

lol

mizzell, Friday, 15 April 2011 15:51 (thirteen years ago) link

oh man i had no idea butch did a never shout never album

da croupier, Friday, 15 April 2011 15:53 (thirteen years ago) link

did he need a new boat or something?

da croupier, Friday, 15 April 2011 15:54 (thirteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_01bGcIN_Y

Uploaded by GumballVEVO on Oct 25, 2009

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hhahha gumball + vevo? Those guys would despise this corporate scum
grzesieksz 1 month ago

da croupier, Friday, 15 April 2011 15:56 (thirteen years ago) link

If I had a '90s cover band I'd totally name it GumballVEVO

da croupier, Friday, 15 April 2011 15:57 (thirteen years ago) link

Dirty is so over-compressed that my CD sounds like mp3's. Unless it's just an issue with early-90s CD mastering.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 15 April 2011 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link

Garbage all the way. Went for "Version 2.0" just over the eponymous debut.

Hongroe (Geir Hongro), Friday, 15 April 2011 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link

where is Goo?

akm, Friday, 15 April 2011 16:46 (thirteen years ago) link

didn't SY produce it with their engineer?

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 April 2011 16:47 (thirteen years ago) link

oh wait he didn't produce that. why was I thinking he had?

voting either garbage 1, dirty, or freedy johnston's 'this perfect world'.

akm, Friday, 15 April 2011 16:49 (thirteen years ago) link

Voted Ladies Only cos Killdozer will not go unloved on my watch

A Zed and Two Nults (Noodle Vague), Friday, 15 April 2011 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link

and I like to watch when Killdozer gets loved

some dude, Friday, 15 April 2011 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link

Went for Little Baby Buntin', splitting the 'Dozer vote

Gully Foyle is my name (Matt #2), Friday, 15 April 2011 19:38 (thirteen years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 23:01 (twelve years ago) link

The UO albums that follow him are all better produced.

dlp9001, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 23:13 (twelve years ago) link

This Perfect World

President Keyes, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 23:24 (twelve years ago) link

my first homemade punk T-shirt was the back cover of Intellectuals... with the cartoon of the guy getting eaten by bulldogs so Killdozer outta love for me too

herbal bert (herb albert), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 23:40 (twelve years ago) link

Something here for every Killdozer fan to love - gotta further split the vote by choosing 12 Point Buck.

Spectrist, Thursday, 21 April 2011 00:24 (twelve years ago) link

help me, jack pepsi

David Allah Coal (sexyDancer), Thursday, 21 April 2011 00:25 (twelve years ago) link

Voting Dirty, which to these ears is better-sequenced than Doolittle...

Runners-up: Nevermind, Gish

Goo was produced by Don Fleming from Gumball iirc.

music loves drugs (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 21 April 2011 00:52 (twelve years ago) link

(Third runner-up is Bricks are Heavy. Am unfamiliar with a lot of the semi-obscure stuff here tho. Great poll some dude)

music loves drugs (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 21 April 2011 00:55 (twelve years ago) link

voting Gish

Bee OK, Thursday, 21 April 2011 01:28 (twelve years ago) link

voted Tad w/o any hesitation.

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 21 April 2011 03:17 (twelve years ago) link

The first Sonic Youth track I heard was "Sugar Kane", which sounded AMAZING to me at the time - obv pretty atypical for SY and even the rest of Dirty doesn't sound much like it, but may vote Dirty just for that
I did exactly this.

Doctor Madame Frances Experimento LLC (SNM), Thursday, 21 April 2011 03:41 (twelve years ago) link

Nevermind

i put that on my sub (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 21 April 2011 03:51 (twelve years ago) link

nevermind

balls, Thursday, 21 April 2011 04:21 (twelve years ago) link

8 way fuckin santa

Pavlova und Obstquark (electricsound), Thursday, 21 April 2011 04:26 (twelve years ago) link

haha and further splitting the killdozer, im going for uncompromising war etc etc

The Band Perry is the drummer for Gay Dad (jjjusten), Thursday, 21 April 2011 16:08 (twelve years ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Thursday, 21 April 2011 23:01 (twelve years ago) link

fuuuuuuuuuuck this

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 21 April 2011 23:04 (twelve years ago) link

didn't vote btw lol

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 21 April 2011 23:04 (twelve years ago) link

haha

My mom is all about capital gains tax butthurtedness (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 April 2011 23:05 (twelve years ago) link

haha if you combine all the killdozer votes they came in second

The Band Perry is the drummer for Gay Dad (jjjusten), Thursday, 21 April 2011 23:07 (twelve years ago) link

is Americruiser any good? that was one of the transitional albums from UO-as-disciples-of-Albini to UO-as-prophets-of-the-cockrock-revival, correct?

Hippie! Crack! Nitrous! Mafia! Boston! (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 21 April 2011 23:08 (twelve years ago) link

heart burns imo cause it was both vig & the artist doing something diff

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 21 April 2011 23:09 (twelve years ago) link

impressed by the showing for Killdozer, who i literally know nothing about besides their name and that they were produced by Butch Vig.

voted for Siamese Dream and think it's pretty cool and appropriate that it tied w/ Nevermind.

some dude, Friday, 22 April 2011 01:05 (twelve years ago) link

wow, that is a big surprise!

it's time for the fish in the perculator (Steve Shasta), Friday, 22 April 2011 01:14 (twelve years ago) link

runoff!

got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 22 April 2011 01:41 (twelve years ago) link

xpost. Americruiser is ok, but just not in the same league as the next three, maybe four releases... Their new album comes out soon. Would be happy if it's any good!

dlp9001, Friday, 22 April 2011 01:58 (twelve years ago) link

predictable tie for first, but that's about right. pity 'betty' is floundering all the way down there.

charlie h, Friday, 22 April 2011 02:46 (twelve years ago) link

americruiser is ok, but just not in the same league as jesus urge superstar...

normal_fantasy-unicorns (contenderizer), Friday, 22 April 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link

Holy shit wb!

Hippie! Crack! Nitrous! Mafia! Boston! (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 22 April 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link

three months pass...

Juvenile Truth's 1984 cassette "No Enemy" uploaded:

http://punknotprofit.blogspot.com/2011/06/juvenile-truth-no-enemy-1984-demo.html

Pete Scholtes, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link

whoa

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 3 August 2011 21:10 (twelve years ago) link

"Walk Toward the Sun" is my favorite, but it's as if this never stopped playing in my head. Guess he produced the first Tar Babies too, lots more here:

http://www.thedailypage.com/isthmus/article.php?article=29785

Pete Scholtes, Friday, 12 August 2011 15:15 (twelve years ago) link


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