2010 Magazine's Albums Of The Year Thread For Posting Lists and Discussion

i don't know what T-shirts you wore in 9th grade rev

It's not that gangsta rap took a beating in sales, it's that gangsta rap isnt as popular as it was in the 90s among the young people demo that major labels target the most aggressively.

― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, December 28, 2010 1:57 AM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark

yeah, im saying i dont agree that this is true

The Reverend stunting in his Marnie Stern T-shirt before she broke while everyone else was buying their first Nirvana and Metallica shirts

"But I mean, the ppl buying Eightball/e-40/Mia X/pre-success Mystikal were not KIDS but these more grownup dudes."

my high school exp says otherwise (& before u say anything this isnt a statement about the race of the ppl i went to h.s. with)

rap fans were buying these cds, gajillions of midwest 16 year olds were the ones putting master p in platinum tank chains

i didn't wear band tees or listen to alt-rock so

xpost, Then why is Wiz Khalifa playing Bamboozle Festival and not Lloyd Banks?

if i had a band tee in 9th grade it probably would have been like dilated peoples or something

black and white

master p was definitely popular in suburban seattle circa late 90s

i think a lot of ppl that buy arcade fire are like those political writers in the sense that they have much greater interests than music and want to really get into about 5-10 records a year & arcade fire are super critically acclaimed & visible on the indie rock scene -- it's not exactly chemically engineering

xpost, Then why is Wiz Khalifa playing Bamboozle Festival and not Lloyd Banks?

― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, December 28, 2010 2:01 AM (37 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

um, lil wayne is

im not denying that wiz khalifa is popular (although asking why a stoner rapper is popular with white kids, for real?? cypress hill??)

yeah, master p was huge where i lived too! He was on MTV! Like Gucci Mane! Who sells lots of records! What;s your point?

no one outside of new york has cared about lloyd banks in about 5 years?

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^^^i bet you the dudes in this thread had every 504 boyz cd single

(esp 8ball and mjg! how many copies do you think they sold this year??)

i wish someone had told me there was a new ball and g this year : /

and wiz has the most popular rap song in the country right now

Who sells lots of records! What;s your point?

― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, December 28, 2010 2:03 AM (52 seconds ago) Bookmark

im really confused by your point, frankly.

gucci still sells some records, but i think his sales have been hit harder by the current state of the industry than other artists that have older-skewing demos.

you're the one who started taking issue w/ what i was saying dude, not the other way around. Whats YOUR point

yeah what is whiney's point

many xposts

Like we def have ppl filling those Master P/Juvenile roles of MTV-gangstas, no doubt: Gucci, Wayne, Waka

I just don't think the kids in 2010 are as interested in who the new C-Murder is, and are busy checking out a lot of dudes in skinny jeans who talk about space weed instead of our delmar-rap tropes that were popular 15 years ago

ok, but i think you could have picked a better example than fiddy's snow shoveler whose peak of popularity was 5 years ago

Whiney's point is that gangsta rap isn't being hit "disproportionately" in sales as deej says. It's decline in ubiquity has more to do with changing cultural trends than a nation of teenagers worshipping Dat Piff

fiddy's snow shoveler

golf clap

Whiney's point is that gangsta rap isn't being hit "disproportionately" in sales as deej says. It's decline in ubiquity has more to do with changing cultural trends than a nation of teenagers worshipping Dat Piff

― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, December 28, 2010 2:09 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

and you're basing this on ...

idk i think there are elements of gangster rap that lend it to there being a downtick in sales

but i also agree that ppl for some reason seem to care more about singing sweater models like kid cudi & drake than gangster rappers -- i'm not sure why that is tho

i guess you could argue that we don't have ground level rappers as good as cash money/no limit days, but i'm not sure i necessarily agree w/ that

i really think this is nonsense. cash money & no limit got as much shit from clueless critics than as gucci & waka do now if not moreso

Whiney's point is that gangsta rap isn't being hit "disproportionately" in sales as deej says. It's decline in ubiquity has more to do with changing cultural trends than a nation of teenagers worshipping Dat Piff

― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, December 28, 2010 2:09 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

like, why do you think this, other than you want to?

so... any new albums of the year lists we can talk about?

i think its fairly self-evident that gangster rap has been hard hit by downloading. there is no indie rock dat piff. dat piff is logging hundreds of thousands of downloads. this is wayyy way bigger than your street corner bootlegger

so... any new albums of the year lists we can talk about?

― Shakey Moe Szyslak (Algerian Goalkeeper), Tuesday, December 28, 2010 2:16 AM (25 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this conversation is probably more interesting than whatever list is posted next

i mean whiney, gangster rap always had a weird relationship w/ crossover. but like ... master p never got to rap verses with mariah carey. neither did bun b. gucci hit that point by being hugely popular. soulja boy isnt selling a lot of albums but i bet you he has more mentions on world star hip hop than BoB does.

the crowds that these rappers you argue are 'more popular' are crossing over to are coldplay fans. people who still buy records. BoB, Lupe, Drake, Jay-z ... these guys are marketing to your average middle american pop fan

& i mean pop like, U2 audiences. not like, club going fans of 'big pimpin' who got that song up top 40

No, anything is more interesting than what you're talking about endlessly

and you're basing this on ...

and you're basing it on?

And you know, every time in the 90s someone like Trick Daddy or Mystikal became FAMOUS FAMOUS, it was after years of organic slow-grind. Which, yes, happens faster because of the internet, but still happens. And note the breakthrough internet-to-fame artists are like Drake, BoB, Wiz, Cudi, Nicki, etc. Gucci and Waka are in there too, but like gangsta exceptions that prove the soft-serve rule.

If anything the new No Limit/Cash Money hole of "popular gangsta ish that actually has sales" is all in grinding-in-their-own-world dudes like Tech N9ne and Joe Budden, who still crack iTunes charts all the live long day

there is no indie rock dat piff

http://www.daytrotter.com/ ???

deej is right but it's really the nature of the form right? there's no datpiff of indie rock, but there's also no need for it, because indie rock doesn't operate on the mixtape model the way that rap does

likewise, there aren't indie labels in rap anymore -- there's no no limit or cash money that is monetizing the distribution of a high volume of non-high level releases like there used to be? like, now everyone just floods the net. anything that is put up for sale has to go thru the 8 million hoops that is the major label system. there's no XL or beggars banquet or w/e that puts out cds for the love of it & is willing to operate w/ a thin profit margin

rappers are expected to do all that by themselves, pretty much -- then they get plucked by a major

If anything the new No Limit/Cash Money hole of "popular gangsta ish that actually has sales" is all in grinding-in-their-own-world dudes like Tech N9ne and Joe Budden, who still crack iTunes charts all the live long day

LOL @ the idea that joe budden is anywhere near as popular as tech n9ne.

dude, you really are disconnected here

I mean, I'll agree with J0rdan. deej and I are really just arguing over chicken vs egg

"and you're basing it on?"

the exact same argument ive repeated in this thread already?

"I'M BASING IT ON MY OWN ARGUMENT... WHAT?!"

i mean, im saying that this softbatch rap isnt actually as popular relative to gucci waka yo gotti soulja boy et al as it seems, that its overrepresented in album sales because the softbatch stuff is aiming at the market that still buys CDs, while the gangster/goon stuff is working thru the mixtape situation jordan described. that doesnt mean that the latter group dont sell CDs ... just that their sales have a huuuuge chunk taken out of them that softbatch dudes dont because theyre skipping that segment of the game entirely to worry about getting joe 12-CD the U2 / Coldplay / Kanye fan

"I'M BASING IT ON MY OWN ARGUMENT... WHAT?!"

― nog it out with (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, December 28, 2010 2:24 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yes, an argument w/ stated explanations for my reasoning. you're basing the death of gangster rap (and the lol claim that joe budden is the cash money of 2010) on ... sales numbers, i assume?

like, it used to be c-murder could go platinum w/out trying to convince Train fans he was worthwhile. nowadays thats impossible.

we ruined another thread :(

i dunno this seemed like an important / interesting argument to me & is def more interesting than another list celebrating our love of janelle monae, kanye and arcade fire so

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i mean, think about it -- to use the cash money/no limit label, those were indie labels w/ a figurehead like baby/slim or master p that pretty much monetized the whole operation right? then eventually majors stepped in & got into business w/ them, but that was after a long history of DIY

there is none of that anymore -- think about brick squad -- there is '1017/brick squad records' but it's just an extended arm of warner bros -- if this was 1997 oj da juiceman could've put out an actual album for sale in stores already, because there would've been someone willingly bank rolling that -- right now, there is no way that asylum/warner bros is gonna do that unless somehow oj breaks another song onto the radio w/ no promo

yep

^^^otm.

if this was 1997, Frenchie would have two albums out before xmas

i mean 'flockaveli' is the perfect example -- that was a mixtape that asylum 'made' into an album once they saw the buzz that waka was building up w/ "o let's do it"/"hard in da paint" -- there was no plans for him to put out an album before that