xp Nastasia is on my list, but I did notice her conspicuous absence here.
I like the Quietus and Rock-A-Rolla lists best so far. I'd love to find the current issue -- anyone know if it could be found in Chicago? I'd subscribe, but man, those UK rags azzrpe you by doubling the price + poor exchange rate - $70 for 6 issues, gah.
― Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 9 December 2010 13:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Amazed the Arcade Fire record is doing so well here given that most of the reviews I'd seen were along the lines of "some great songs, too long, patchy and a bit overwrought".
― Matt DC, Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Fastnbulbous - I occassionally see Rock-A-Rolla at my local newsstand, but thats about it. Don't really come across it very often.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:10 (thirteen years ago) link
longtime ilxors who keep making the same complaints about longtime ilxors who keep making the same complaints about obvious lists are even more boring than longtime ilxors who keep making the same complaints about obvious lists
― da croupier, Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:21 (thirteen years ago) link
Wow you sure showed everyone!
― Matt DC, Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:21 (thirteen years ago) link
taking it to the next level, that's what i do
― da croupier, Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:22 (thirteen years ago) link
the next level of boring, sure
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:23 (thirteen years ago) link
My mind hasn't been this blown since I watched Inception.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Gigwise04. Drake - Thank Me Later03. The National - High Violet02. Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy01. Arcade Fire - The Suburbs
04. Drake - Thank Me Later03. The National - High Violet02. Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy01. Arcade Fire - The Suburbs
worst top four yet
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:37 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, do some of these publications even vote on their own year-end lists, or just look at what other mags/sites are ranking highly and then make sure those albums are on their list, too?
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't know, but the confusion and anger you guys feel about Kanye ranking so high is multiplied a thousand-fold for me when I see Drake that high.
― one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:40 (thirteen years ago) link
I think generally music writers listen to whatever other music writers are talking about and then just agree on everything because they are mostly boring, fat, sad, post-collegiate white men who think Arcade Fire is an interesting band
― maher shalal hash tagz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:42 (thirteen years ago) link
don't be so hard on yourself!
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:45 (thirteen years ago) link
:)
― maher shalal hash tagz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 9 December 2010 14:46 (thirteen years ago) link
need more boring fat sad post-collegiate other kinds of people in this thing
― modrić in paradise (blueski), Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:07 (thirteen years ago) link
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51VEemS83yL.jpg
― Tim F, Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:10 (thirteen years ago) link
The Name of This Band Is Indigo Girls
― Andy K, Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link
lol
― BO (DJP), Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saWZRuh2_Qg
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Ha.
As I moan every year, editors of "generalist" sites and pubs should seek out writers into non- indie rock stuff, or at least open to non-indie. But maybe there also aren't that many writers into dance, r'n'b, afropop, reggaeton, experimental, country, whatever? Alas, when African/Caribbean/Latin magazine the Beat folded up shop at the beginning of the year, its freelance contributors seem to have given up on writing rather than trying to find new locations.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link
But maybe there also aren't that many writers into dance, r'n'b, afropop, reggaeton, experimental, country, whatever?
I mean, yeah, this is def true! There's def some sociological connection between "wanting to be a music writer" and "thinking indie rock is good music"
― maher shalal hash tagz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:23 (thirteen years ago) link
the last refuge of an english major
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link
― curmudgeon, Thursday, December 9, 2010 9:20 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
how much freedom are these genre experts really given to affect the outcome of consensus lists, really. it requires that other writers give a shit about the genre on its own terms. you have to have an even number of rap writers. rap writers, or dance writers, not just a couple 'experts' scattered amongst a bunch of arcade fire fans (& even then yr dealing w/ rap writers who often accept corny received wisdom about what is 'worthwhile' etc.)
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:32 (thirteen years ago) link
id rather write w/ an indie fan whose taste was well-articulated & unique/interesting even if strictly indie (lol does this exist) than a dude listing every j dilla clone who dropped an lp this year
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link
requires that other writers give a shit about the genre on its own terms
And that those other writers also totally agree on which dance, r'n'b, afropop, reggaeton, experimental, country, etc., records were the best ones of the year! Which is real hard to do, given the numbers.
― xhuxk, Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link
But like I said in my Pazz & Jop essay last year, the trend lately definitely seems to be moving toward indie-rock dominating end-of-year lists as a whole in ways that no one genre has dominated in decades, if ever. (Assuming you think of indie-rock as just "one genre" -- lots of people don't.) Though looks like hip-hop might be doing better, in general, this year than last year -- even if the albums doing well are mostly predictable, and not necessarily all that good.
― xhuxk, Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link
otm music taste is way lamer, but still as diverse as, the early 00s
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link
i think its basically a function of ppl getting to ignore the pop charts now so the echo chamber is harder than ever to puncture
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:52 (thirteen years ago) link
people are comfy in their internet bubbles.
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:56 (thirteen years ago) link
My bubble is starting to smell funny.
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:57 (thirteen years ago) link
time to clean yer indie pod
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 December 2010 15:57 (thirteen years ago) link
i didn't even know that my chemical romance had an album out this year until i looked at one of those year-end lists. i'm in my stoner rock bubble too much i guess.
― scott seward, Thursday, 9 December 2010 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Mine reeks of NWOBHM spandex. Those red and white stripped ones are ripe!
― EZ Snappin, Thursday, 9 December 2010 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, December 9, 2010 9:33 AM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
altho i guess the q is whether there is an 'indie as a distinct genre' heirarchy that exists outside of 'critical acclaim'
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link
so Kanye is considered to be indie rock now, huh?
― hipity-hopity muzik ftw! (Ioannis), Thursday, 9 December 2010 16:23 (thirteen years ago) link
well he is recording with Bon Iver
― BO (DJP), Thursday, 9 December 2010 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link
very tru.
― hipity-hopity muzik ftw! (Ioannis), Thursday, 9 December 2010 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link
his music is also boring, wanky & pretentious lol
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link
...but in a good way.
― hipity-hopity muzik ftw! (Ioannis), Thursday, 9 December 2010 16:26 (thirteen years ago) link
In the world of US politics Deej wants us to accept that the glass is half-full and that Obama acting centrist is all we can get, but in the music crit world he wants his Waka (or is it some other rapper not listed above) and not that centrist choice Kanye
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link
looooooool
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:04 (thirteen years ago) link
im not on pfork expecting waka to go #1, no
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:06 (thirteen years ago) link
it is a better album just like the ideal health care bill is better than the one that passed
but obvi that doesnt matter
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:07 (thirteen years ago) link
Pop Matters singles
60. Mutiny Within - Awake59. OK Go - White Knuckles58. Darren Hanlon - All These Things57. Mark Ronson and the Business International - Somebody to Love Me56. Mama’s Gun - Let’s Find a Way55. Here We Go Magic - Collector54. Daddy Yankee - Vida en la Noche”53. Josh Ritter - The Curse52. Foals - This Orient51. Sharon Jones & the Dap Kings - The Game Gets Old50. Flying Lotus feat. Thom Yorke - ...And the World Laughs With You49. The Roots - How I Got Over48. Beach House - Norway47. Crystal Castles feat. Robert Smith - Not in Love46. Owen Pallett - E Is for Estranged45. Jonsî - Go Do44. Frog Eyes - A Flower in a Glove43. Kylie Minogue - All the Lovers42. Gil Scott-Heron - New York Is Killing Me41. Surfer Blood - Take It Easy40. Liz Phair - Bollywood39. Frightened Rabbit - Swim Until You Can’t See Land38. Ryan Bingham & the Dead Horses - Depression37. Delorean - Stay Close36. Oneohtrix Point Never - Returnal (feat. Antony)35. MGMT - Flash Delirium34. The Hold Steady - The Weekenders33. Sufjan Stevens - Impossible Soul32. Eminem - Not Afraid31. Sleigh Bells - Rill Rill30. Titus Andronicus - A More Perfect Union29. Lady Gaga ft. Beyoncé - Telephone28. Justin Townes Earle - Harlem River Blues27. Sade - Soldier of Love26. Caribou - Odessa25. Best Coast - Boyfriend24.The New Pornographers - Sweet Talk Sweet Talk23. Kanye West - Runaway (feat. Pusha T)22. Surfer Blood - Swim21. Erykah Badu - Window Seat20. Blur - Fool’s Day19. LCD Soundsystem - All I Want18. Joanna Newsom - Good Intentions Paving Company17. Gorillaz - Stylo16. The New Pornographers - The Crash Years15. Robyn - Dancing on My Own14. Spoon - Written in Reverse13. Sleigh Bells - Tell ‘Em12. Janelle Monáe - Cold War11. Miranda Lambert - The House That Built Me10. Deerhunter - Helicopter9. Gogol Bordello - Pala Tute8. Ariel Pink’s Haunted Graffiti - Round and Round7. Big Boi - Shutterbugg6. LCD Soundsystem - Dance Yrself Clean5. Kanye West - Power4. The National - Bloodbuzz, Ohio3. Arcade Fire - Sprawl II2. Janelle Monáe - Tightrope1. Cee-Lo Green - Fuck You
― Dan S, Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:15 (thirteen years ago) link
Yes, IlX's Dr. Phil voted in the Pop Matters poll for #54 while most folks mistakenly wrote off Daddy Yankee years ago.
Need to research this more, but I think that since Sasha Frere-Jones reviewed a big reggaeton show at Madison Square Garden in the New Yorker several years back, that he has not written about any Spanish-language pop since (despite his criticisms of others several years back).
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link
stopped reading that list at
59. OK Go - White Knuckles
― maher shalal hash tagz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link
Love that DY song.
― bourgeoistech bourgeoisthèque (_Rudipherous_), Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link
should have kept reading:
46. Owen Pallett - E Is for Estranged
(should also have been higher)
― BO (DJP), Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:33 (thirteen years ago) link
― curmudgeon, Thursday, December 9, 2010 11:27 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark
tbf sfj has kinda not been on the bleeding edge of anything for a minute
― lotta diamonds ... but prolly more display names (deej), Thursday, 9 December 2010 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link