I've never liked Nicki Minaj but Stupid Hoe is so so so good, and that juke jukewerk my goodness, I'm in heaven right now
― rrrivero, Sunday, 22 January 2012 14:18 (twelve years ago) link
proper descriptor is anime eyes btw
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Sunday, 22 January 2012 14:24 (twelve years ago) link
That song is like Missy + Gaga + Devo
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 22 January 2012 16:49 (twelve years ago) link
the song itself (ignoring the video) is kind of like an attempt to recreate "itty bitty piggy" but not actually as amazing - i approve of the general direction though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMZ5s7o2F88
― tinie tempurah (lex pretend), Sunday, 22 January 2012 16:51 (twelve years ago) link
i think rhyming "Roman Zolanski" with "Roman Polanski" might be the one misstep. But she's so talented, she's allowed. http://i.imgur.com/zi7hd.gif
― dave cool, Sunday, 22 January 2012 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
props for the 80s spelling of "hoe"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjSmiGMN1ek
http://i.imgur.com/zi7hd.gif
― dave cool, Sunday, 22 January 2012 16:53 (twelve years ago) link
i think rhyming "Roman Zolanski" with "Roman Polanski" might be the one misstep.
brangelina/jennifer reference is a bit #twothousandandlate too #no1curr
― tinie tempurah (lex pretend), Sunday, 22 January 2012 16:55 (twelve years ago) link
"bitch, you see where brad at" is kinda dope tho
― tyga mother (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 22 January 2012 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
who is the dude that shows up in the video a few times
― tyga mother (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 22 January 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago) link
dave cool, you seem to know a lot about hip hop http://i.imgur.com/zi7hd.gif
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Sunday, 22 January 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
it's pretty cool, as music is concerned. http://i.imgur.com/zi7hd.gif
― dave cool, Sunday, 22 January 2012 17:00 (twelve years ago) link
yeah it would've been a dope line in 2004 or whenever all of that actually happened
― tinie tempurah (lex pretend), Sunday, 22 January 2012 17:01 (twelve years ago) link
i think of a dated reference like i would a sample of a song i've forgotten. just because its not in the zeitgeist doesn;t mean its not dope to flip it. (cf, Biz Markie, "Reagan is the prez but i voted for Shirley Chisolm")
― dave cool, Sunday, 22 January 2012 17:03 (twelve years ago) link
idk, i feel like brad/angelina/jennifer refs have sort of transcended being just a pop cultural event w/ a time & place -- it's like referencing a fairy tale or something at this point
― tyga mother (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 22 January 2012 17:04 (twelve years ago) link
that might be the case if it wasn't for tabloids ceaselessly beating the dead horse over the years - i'm just tired of hearing all their names - like referencing britney/justin or something might have that effect, idk
― tinie tempurah (lex pretend), Sunday, 22 January 2012 17:06 (twelve years ago) link
i think its a pretty nitpicky point, lex, but i always respect your passion and opinions on ilx. http://i.imgur.com/zi7hd.gif
― dave cool, Sunday, 22 January 2012 17:06 (twelve years ago) link
Is she dissing lil kim in this?
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 22 January 2012 17:12 (twelve years ago) link
People say so, but I don't see any specific Kim references to indicate shots fired... Who knows?
And yeah, this is definitely very "Itty Bitty Piggy" and not quite as incredible, but after the direction Pink Friday took overall (in part by commercial necessity), it's good to see Nicki signalling that this is at least PART of what she's going to be doing going forward.
― Somewhere between Fergie and Jesus (Alex in Montreal), Sunday, 22 January 2012 17:18 (twelve years ago) link
I guess I thought the party about you should have befriended me seemed like a shot at kim...cuz didn't nicki basically say she idolized kim coming up then kim was bitchy to her?
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 22 January 2012 17:20 (twelve years ago) link
is kim putting out an EP? is any notable minaj adversary?
― tyga mother (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 22 January 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
tbh it may or may not be consciously about kim but i'm pretty sick of the narrative that sets EVERY WOMAN IN HIP-HOP against each other
― tinie tempurah (lex pretend), Sunday, 22 January 2012 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
Well I mean I don't think we are buying into a narrative here, kim and nicki have berg and she just released a song that sounds like a diss called ”super hoe” so...
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 22 January 2012 17:42 (twelve years ago) link
Have beef not berg
― the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 22 January 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link
curious why the bubbles/mj reference passes lex's sniff test -_-
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Sunday, 22 January 2012 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
surely this is aimed at kim at least partly -- "stupid hoe shoulda befriended me, and she coulda probly came back"
the only part i don't like is "I AM THE FEMALE WEEZY" :(
― teledyldonix, Sunday, 22 January 2012 20:12 (twelve years ago) link
^^^ yeah, that line bothers me too
― I am that young sis, the beacon, a yardstick (dayo), Sunday, 22 January 2012 20:34 (twelve years ago) link
Also this line:
"Bitch talkin she the queen when she looking like a lab rat"
Definitely seems directed at Lil Kim, and that's how it's already being interpreted anyway.
― MikoMcha, Sunday, 22 January 2012 20:41 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, thats where I picked it up, figured the "queen" was a "Queen Bee" reference.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Sunday, 22 January 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
i really think that regardless of nicki's intentions it's far more interesting to talk about how the song works (or not) as though it's not about lil kim, because ~catfights~ between female rappers are not their sole point of interest
― tinie tempurah (lex pretend), Sunday, 22 January 2012 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
(it pisses me off that nicki's apparently bought into that narrative too. NO ONE FUCKING DOES IT TO UP-AND-COMING MALE RAPPERS.)
― tinie tempurah (lex pretend), Sunday, 22 January 2012 21:02 (twelve years ago) link
I'm not so sure I agree with that lex, lots of writers try to force narratives on X vs Y when rappers are coming out. Of course its not at the annoying "catfight" level as it is with the female rappers, but critics definitely do try to fill in these neat little narratives of Young Rapper X is gunning at Old Rapper Y's spot.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Sunday, 22 January 2012 21:05 (twelve years ago) link
and how often do they do that vis-à-vis the number of emerging male rappers? once in a while?
EVERY post-nicki female rapper has had the "ooooh she's coming for nicki's crown" narrative foisted on them AT ALL TIMES. male rappers can diss unnamed rivals in their songs without people going "is it about X or Y?" but when az banks comes out with "212" it MUST be about nicki.
― tinie tempurah (lex pretend), Sunday, 22 January 2012 21:10 (twelve years ago) link
also why is this a point that people want to argue? IT'S REALLY OBVIOUS THAT THIS HAPPENS. nnnnghhhhhhhhh don't fucking try to argue otherwise just to pick an argument with me.
― tinie tempurah (lex pretend), Sunday, 22 January 2012 21:11 (twelve years ago) link
or should we just agree that there's no sexism or clichés about how female rappers are covered anywhere, at all
I get what you are saying lex, but I do think it happens wrt male rappers much more than you are giving credit. How many times did stuff like "oooh that must be a Em diss" or "he's totally going for Jigga there" come up? Quite a bit, iirc.
I'm not arguing with you! I agree, and its frustrating. It just DOES happen with male rappers too.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Sunday, 22 January 2012 21:11 (twelve years ago) link
i'm saying it doesn't happen by default and ALL THE TIME with EVERY NEW SONG THEY MAKE to male rappers.
and it's never used in the service of the "there can only be one existent female rapper at any given time" belief, or as a means of avoiding treating her like an artist in her own right/addressing her songs in their own right.
― tinie tempurah (lex pretend), Sunday, 22 January 2012 21:17 (twelve years ago) link
so in addressing nicki's songs in their own right we should just ignore all the lines about calling out other female rappers
― dayo, Sunday, 22 January 2012 21:20 (twelve years ago) link
dayo i think EVERY time you have talked to me here in the past, like, month, you've been trying to troll me or argue with me. please don't? it's tiring.
― tinie tempurah (lex pretend), Sunday, 22 January 2012 21:22 (twelve years ago) link
sure thing bro
― dayo, Sunday, 22 January 2012 21:26 (twelve years ago) link
I dunno Lex, I take the point above. But agree with dayo, it's still a real aspect to how the track has been talked about and received, so I don't think it shouldn't ignored either. I also don't understand why it has to be an argument?
― MikoMcha, Sunday, 22 January 2012 21:27 (twelve years ago) link
male rappers can diss unnamed rivals in their songs without people going "is it about X or Y?"
i really don't agree w/ this at all, and it's one thing about rap blogs that really pisses me off -- ppl have been picking thru wayne and drake and kanye and jay lines trying to make up beefs b/w them for years and years now
― tyga mother (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 22 January 2012 21:46 (twelve years ago) link
and even on a micro level, ppl will pick thru lines by smaller rappers from the same city wondering if they're going at each other
which isn't to say that there isn't some truth to what you're saying, lex, but you're way overstating your case
― tyga mother (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 22 January 2012 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
While it's pathetic that (male) listeners still define female performers on male terms, guys have dissed each other practically since the genre was created (KRS-1, LL Cool J, 50 Cent, etc).
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 22 January 2012 21:50 (twelve years ago) link
I would agree with all of this if the song weren't called 'stupid hoe' and the chorus wasn't 'you a stupid hoe'
― dayo, Sunday, 22 January 2012 21:52 (twelve years ago) link
tbh I didn't think much about the title and to whom it's directed.
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 22 January 2012 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
I didn't really think about (or care) at who the song is directed, but I'm not gonna act like nicki had no part in framing the debate around this song
― dayo, Sunday, 22 January 2012 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
There's definitely a difference between people reading into to subliminals and vague, general/generic disses that male rappers fit into every song, and people constructing rivalries between every female rapper and pitting all female rappers against eachother (which they do ALL OF THE TIME WITHOUT FAIL). though, in this case, the song is clearly about Lil Kim and Kim & Nicki have been vocal about their "beef" (though obv this beef started because Kim is insecure about her place in rap given Nicki's ascendancy and the fact there can't be more than one active female rapper for some reason)
― DO NOT CALL (The Brainwasher), Sunday, 22 January 2012 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
I agree w/ lex's argument in general and would agree w/ no qualifications if the debate around 'super bass' or even, to use a stronger example, massive attack had been shoehorned into this narrative but please don't act like nicki wasn't complicit in setting the goalposts for 'stupid hoe'
― dayo, Sunday, 22 January 2012 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
I don't put much cop into the mercenary nature of these "beefs."
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 22 January 2012 21:58 (twelve years ago) link