guarded, of course.
wordy little cow
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 21:06 (thirteen years ago) link
hmm gonna have to agree with brontosaur here :\
― teledyldonix, Wednesday, 4 August 2010 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link
Right. Wrote this accidentally in the other thread first, but since then I've listened to 'Mine' about 15 times or so, so I guess she's still got it.
Seconding the hope that she pushes herself musically a little, but there's more texture in the production here to some extent, and she's pointing the finger back at herself more than she sometimes did on Fearless.
It might be 'Mary's Song' redux but I'm sort of ok with that.
― Y /\/\ /\/\ \/ (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 5 August 2010 00:21 (thirteen years ago) link
i just heard this one the radio
it's fun! i mean, it sounds like a taylor song -- i'm not mad
― righteous lecoq (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 5 August 2010 01:04 (thirteen years ago) link
u mad. (jk, it sounds fine to me too)
― Mordy, Thursday, 5 August 2010 01:06 (thirteen years ago) link
Downloaded this yesterday, listened a few times and thought "Oh, it's good, very Taylor, but I wish there something more to it."
Then it came on in the car and I was all HELL YES.
― trippin lookin at my portfolio (billy), Thursday, 5 August 2010 17:48 (thirteen years ago) link
"Mine" is great -- seems a bit like Taylor on autopilot, though.
Looking fwd to the album!
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Thursday, 5 August 2010 19:19 (thirteen years ago) link
a.) like the song, love the chorus -- sets itself up to need a big hook and deliversb.) i don't think it's autopilot, the lyrics are carefully crafted. and there's more obvious invention than before, which was always going to be the challenge here -- she can't keep writing seemingly-autobiographical teen-girl stuff, she has to imagine her way into grown-up characters who aren't giant pop stars. c.) nothing about this song makes me anticipate the album any less
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 5 August 2010 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link
it is selling shit-tons pretty much instantly, btw, like very very likely going to be a #1 record just based on early sales.
― teledyldonix, Thursday, 5 August 2010 20:11 (thirteen years ago) link
read something about how it was rush-released after the leak, and it took six hours to get to no 1 on itunes.
they didn't bother putting it up on uk itunes. i hate this country.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 5 August 2010 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link
what i love about the song is that it feels like she has to be convinced again and again, like the first rush of optimism doesn't quite take properly, which rings v true w/r/t the character. the second iteration of the chorus ("you saw me start to believe for the first time") is clearly some time after "you put your arms around me for the first time", and THEN comes the big fight at the climax of the song. it's love as an adult process rather than love as a high school dream.
also "there's a drawer of my things at your place" is such a fantastically casual way to put those purity ring accusations to rest.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Thursday, 5 August 2010 20:24 (thirteen years ago) link
One of the things I like about it, at least like to think about while listening to it, is that this guy who's "the best thing that's ever been mine" is, even so, now DUMPED.
― abcfsk, Thursday, 5 August 2010 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Haven't heard this yet but really like this description lex.
― Tim F, Thursday, 5 August 2010 23:03 (thirteen years ago) link
this would make more sense as an album track than a single to me tbh, but i think it's just the right amount of maturing from fearless
― banshun, Friday, 6 August 2010 04:56 (thirteen years ago) link
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Thursday, August 5, 2010 3:19 PM (Yesterday)
lol did you purposefully try to hit on all the consensus points in the ten posts before yours? not picking on you or anything
― terry squad (k3vin k.), Friday, 6 August 2010 05:09 (thirteen years ago) link
yep, this is pretty much exactly what i want to hear right now
― terry squad (k3vin k.), Friday, 6 August 2010 05:14 (thirteen years ago) link
lol did you purposefully try to hit on all the consensus points in the ten posts before yours?
Nope, I actually didn't read those posted before mine, just listened to the song and posted my thoughts. Pretty simple. I take it others said the same thing, then?
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Friday, 6 August 2010 05:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Taylor is ALMOST ready to write Degrassi episodes
― christopher dullan (Tape Store), Friday, 6 August 2010 06:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Don't we need to wait for the songs about lesbianism and abortion first?
(I mean. Don't really keep up with anything post-80s incarnation of Degrassi, but last I checked we Canucks still made our corny teen soaps with extra 'controversy'.)
― The SBurbs (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 6 August 2010 06:06 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah, Taylor is tackling divorce right now. She'll get to diet pills on the next single.
― christopher dullan (Tape Store), Friday, 6 August 2010 06:12 (thirteen years ago) link
"you made a rebel of a careless man's careful daughter" made me gasp.
no clue how this rings as profound, haven't you seen a teen film?
this song's narrative = the narrative of claire and eli on degrassi as of last thursday's episode, fyi (and it was a narrative of, like, every teen soap ever)
― christopher dullan (Tape Store), Friday, 6 August 2010 06:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Tape Store has exposed a tragic gap in ILX's familiarity with Degrassi story arcs!
― Mordy, Friday, 6 August 2010 06:20 (thirteen years ago) link
stfu, i'm just using degrassi as a v current example
― christopher dullan (Tape Store), Friday, 6 August 2010 06:21 (thirteen years ago) link
lol, no, it's fine, and totally appropriate for the Taylor Swift thread (she's pretty clearly mining similar material since she has a similar audience), but i'm not surprised that people aren't super familiar with what constitutes a tired trope in teen dramas.
― Mordy, Friday, 6 August 2010 06:23 (thirteen years ago) link
lmfaoooo i think i watched ~4.5 consecutive hours of back-to-back degrassi a few weeks ago. i felt like i'd just had unprotected sex w/ an hiv+ hooker or something (probably because that was somewhat similar to the plot of at least 3 episodes i had just seen).
― teledyldonix, Friday, 6 August 2010 06:48 (thirteen years ago) link
I was just looking at the Amazon.com Top 100 CDs and noticed this:
67.Fearless ~ Taylor Swift4.3 out of 5 stars (274 customer reviews) | 10 customer discussionsIn StockList Price: $18.98Price: $9.99You Save: $8.99 (47%)64 used & new from $7.83666 days in the top 100
Fearless ~ Taylor Swift4.3 out of 5 stars (274 customer reviews) | 10 customer discussionsIn StockList Price: $18.98Price: $9.99You Save: $8.99 (47%)64 used & new from $7.83
666 days in the top 100
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Saturday, 7 August 2010 01:50 (thirteen years ago) link
http://i742.photobucket.com/albums/xx61/NateSuxx/30ble6h.png
― prolego, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 19:51 (thirteen years ago) link
YESSSSSSSS
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link
will buy
― markers, Wednesday, 18 August 2010 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link
That is like the greatest Stevie Nicks cover that never was.
― trippin lookin at my portfolio (billy), Wednesday, 18 August 2010 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link
i love how the swooping dress connects back to the swooping hair of the 'fearless' cover
― be my anchor baby (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 19 August 2010 02:52 (thirteen years ago) link
swoop there it is
― markers, Thursday, 19 August 2010 02:56 (thirteen years ago) link
ok, so are we buying the glitter package, the sparkle package or the diamond package?
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Friday, 27 August 2010 17:09 (thirteen years ago) link
wilco never offered me a glitter package ;_;
― markers, Friday, 27 August 2010 17:10 (thirteen years ago) link
seriously considering watching her cmt special tonight. if the kids will tolerate it...
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Friday, 27 August 2010 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont even know if i get cmt but that sounds dope
― markers, Friday, 27 August 2010 17:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Holy moly thanks for the CMT update, that sounds awesome.
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Friday, 27 August 2010 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh wait, it's just a video premiere. Meh...
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Friday, 27 August 2010 17:24 (thirteen years ago) link
From EW interview:
The title track, indeed, is about “the moment in a wedding where you speak now or forever hold your peace.
+
The last two years of your life have been so nuts. Is there a song that reflects the business and change of your last two years?There is, actually. The last song on the album is about looking back on the last two years and how I feel when I do that.
Expectations for that one^
The reporter actually goes into 'critical' mode as well and asks whether Mine is just a Fearless rehash: http://music-mix.ew.com/2010/08/27/taylor-swift-speak-now-new-album/
― abcfsk, Friday, 27 August 2010 17:31 (thirteen years ago) link
it's a half-hour live video premiere. when your friday night prospects are yo gabba gabba or half of monsters inc. for the 6th time this week, that's exciting enough.
― a tenth level which features a single castle (tipsy mothra), Friday, 27 August 2010 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link
Watched this video on my local mtv site, and it's a de-countrified version! Ridiculous, considering how mild the country touches are on the original.
― abcfsk, Saturday, 28 August 2010 10:41 (thirteen years ago) link
Video's pretty good, I think:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27Dje28sFeY
Can someone make a looping .jpg of the ridiculously cute Taylor head-bob thing from 1:52-1:53 btw??
― ilxor has truly been got at and become an ILXor (ilxor), Saturday, 28 August 2010 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link
i wonder if the other artists in the country music world are viewing this CMT special like lebron's "the decision"
― J0rdan S., Saturday, 28 August 2010 19:07 (thirteen years ago) link
video taken down
― markers, Sunday, 29 August 2010 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Video's on the front page of her website. Doesn't seem attached to any "de-countrified" mix either.
― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Sunday, 29 August 2010 19:43 (thirteen years ago) link
Oh shit I totally didn't know they shot videos for "Fearless" and "White Horse." Rest of night: planned.
― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Sunday, 29 August 2010 19:45 (thirteen years ago) link
fyi both of those songs are only like 4 mins long
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 29 August 2010 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
ah cool, i'll have to check out her site
― markers, Sunday, 29 August 2010 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Sunday, August 29, 2010 3:46 PM
haaaa!
― markers, Sunday, 29 August 2010 19:47 (thirteen years ago) link
otm about the title! the only time i've read one of her cd-booklet A-student thesis statements and actually thought, fair enough.
― difficult listening hour, Saturday, 8 July 2023 10:54 (nine months ago) link
(also i found the secret messages in it. i swear this is true. i didn't read about them on the internet or anything. it was the day the album came out and i was listening to it and reading the booklet and i saw the bolded letters and i got a pen and paper like the kid in a christmas story. i was in portland oregon at the time and the first secret message i decoded was in the lyrics for "sparks fly" and the secret message was PORTLAND OREGON. if i was ever a "swiftie" that was when.)
― difficult listening hour, Saturday, 8 July 2023 11:06 (nine months ago) link
The elusiveness of that midnight state seeps into the songwriting too -- to my ears it's her most vaporous album (not a compliment) xpost
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 July 2023 11:45 (nine months ago) link
My favorite album of 2010; it remains so. I haven't listened to it much in the last few years, and I want to give this version a go. There's been so much fascinating music released in the last couple weeks, though.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 July 2023 11:50 (nine months ago) link
"Timeless" is funny because its construct feels so overdetermined — I found this old photos of happy couples in different eras and they make me think we could be like that someday, do you see, with almost comically detailed imaginings of the scenarios in the vintage photos. It could almost feel like a sendup of her whole narrative bag of tricks — but then she hits you with the bridge, "Time breaks down your mind and body/ Don't you let it touch your soul," and it's like, oof, gut shot.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 8 July 2023 16:11 (nine months ago) link
Fans seem particularly into this new one with a video ("I Can See You") – the sound was somewhat interesting the first time through, but I'm not feeling it otherwise.
― Bittern Storm Over My Hammy (morrisp), Saturday, 8 July 2023 16:15 (nine months ago) link
I'm with the fans! It's a great track.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 8 July 2023 16:18 (nine months ago) link
Yes it is ! Pretty crazy to keep it unreleased for years…
― AlXTC from Paris, Saturday, 8 July 2023 18:06 (nine months ago) link
i thought her current production impulses/standards sounded absolutely great all over it (agree that this is not true of red), so i've rly been looking forward to this one
turns out i have mixed feelings but in a way that confirms what a "pop move" this album already was: the new tasteful pandemic spaciousness is imo a real problem on stuff like "sparks fly", in the original a beautiful collapsing star as reliant on density as any max martin track; agree w ivy re: haunted strings (dig the drums tho) and would add that the fiddle on mean has had its attack nerfed; also she seems embarrassed by better than revenge from beginning to end while simultaneously more exposed in its mix than ever. but the long ballads sound absolutely fantastic: "enchanted" suddenly has muscles, "innocent" sounds like big-budget carissa's wierd, etc.. she really knows how to manage the build on one of those things these days: spaces that tighten.
― difficult listening hour, Saturday, 8 July 2023 21:33 (nine months ago) link
("etc" there means "last kiss sounds like a bang bang bar performance")
― difficult listening hour, Saturday, 8 July 2023 21:36 (nine months ago) link
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― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Tuesday, 11 July 2023 15:47 (nine months ago) link
civil rights (fbi's version) :(
― dyl, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 20:27 (nine months ago) link
Wire Tap At Home
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 11 July 2023 21:17 (nine months ago) link
https://exclaim.ca/music/article/taylor_swift_fan_discovers_cabaret_voltaire_thanks_to_speak_now_taylors_version_vinyl_mispress
― stirmonster, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 21:45 (nine months ago) link
amazing
― out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Tuesday, 11 July 2023 21:51 (nine months ago) link
holy shit
― ivy (BradNelson), Tuesday, 11 July 2023 21:55 (nine months ago) link
lol i was like “this one is for Ivy” when I saw this headline
― Tim F, Tuesday, 11 July 2023 22:02 (nine months ago) link
it’s entirely possible i’m just hearing things, and i haven’t given every song this close a reading, but going back and forth between “back to december” old and new i feel like the strings are less fanciful & playful on the new version, they seem more mournful to me, letting out long sighs instead of darting around like fireflies. the guitars also sound more prominent in the mix, and heavier — the final chorus after the bridge in particular feels far less disney climax to me and more stadium rock. i don’t know if there is more drama exactly — it’s such a good final flurry regardless — but tonally the arrangement feels more mature & less childlike to me. which i think actually flatters the song! going back to december, as it were, carries even more weight when you’re older imo. it’s such a great song regardless
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 July 2023 23:47 (nine months ago) link
it also only dawned on me today that one of the key lyrics in "back to december" -- "it turns out freedom ain't nothin but missing you / wishing i realized what i had when you were mine" -- is in direct conversation with my favorite miranda lambert lyric, from "runnin just in case" (which of course came after), when she sings "happiness ain't prison / but there's freedom in a broken heart." playing w/ the same idea, and the same language, but from different sides of the coin
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 11 July 2023 23:55 (nine months ago) link
great pick-up
― Tim F, Wednesday, 12 July 2023 01:15 (nine months ago) link
Yeah very well put. The difference in maturity levels is most interesting on this one of the re-recordings so far, I think. The mature adult revisiting the young adult, seeing things they got right or wrong, shifting the emphasis a little here and there. "Back to December" is really probably my favorite song of hers, and she gets to sing it now like it's already a classic.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 12 July 2023 01:55 (nine months ago) link
It fascinates me how Lambert and Swift's public images inform their postures in their most rueful songs yet their hellion images still dominate.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 July 2023 02:02 (nine months ago) link
my daughter is 6: she has been very into Robyn, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry, Kylie, Pink, dua Lipa, ariana grande and Olivia Rodrigo via me, but Taylor is the one she wants to go deep with, to the extent that she wants physical media associated with Taylor… unlike the preceding save for Rodrigo and Lipa, Swift's imperial phase is showing no signs of abating, and my daughter identifies with her in ways that I didn't with an music artist at her age; I guess the Bee Gees were dominant in 1977, but Michael Jackson is the all frequency mass media presence that I think Alfred posited as a useful parallel… I am thrilled that TS is my daughter's choice for who she wants to pursue as an artist, and while she likes what she wears and likes the videos, it's the music she responds to (I am so fucking sick of the lesser songs on Red that it beggars belief; and for that matter, she should upgrade "the Last time," the worst TS song I have heard, by replacing Chris Martin for Gary Lightbody; she couldn't afford the former in 2011 and so she got the bargain basement latter,; now Martin would probly do it for free)…
Yesterday we went to the record store where we picked up Taylor's version CDs of Speak now and Fearless, and I do not know the original other than the singles, alongside Midnights and PJ Harvey's new record…I generally don't want to listen to newly recorded versions of music wrenched from its context… like, a parallel is Jojo, who re-recorded her hits for identical reasons as Swift, and I couldn't take listening to that music defined by its teenage turbulence redone by an adult…but since I don't know this music, and my daughter's enthusiasm, I am looking forward to listening to these records unencumbered by previous impressions…although based on what I've heard, she can't or hasn't done anything to address the difference between her teenage and adult voices…
― veronica moser, Thursday, 13 July 2023 16:38 (nine months ago) link
this is taylor’s most shocking, jaw-dropping, devastatingly-beautiful surprise song performance yet. i wish i was there. 🥺 pic.twitter.com/2IHFVpBSm0— k.⸆⸉ ✉️ (tortured poet era) (@kiralovestaylor) February 8, 2024
― Indexed, Thursday, 8 February 2024 20:53 (two months ago) link