i mean, it's kind of like OK Computer, in that, there is nothing very happy in this, hard to imagine it being a big hit, but somehow will be because it seems to tap into some depressing zeitgeist. in other words, a record that is probably great, but not one I'm actually going to ever listen to very much.
― akm, Thursday, 25 November 2010 14:57 (thirteen years ago) link
Kanye was just doing about 30 seconds of Lost in the World on a huge ugly float in the Macys parade.
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 25 November 2010 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link
It was awesome
― lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Thursday, 25 November 2010 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link
i read nabisco's review, it's very nice, he talked about the dirty majesty of it all, I'm just saying the actual music is pretty downbeat, minor key and depressing.
― akm, Thursday, November 25, 2010 8:56 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
no i think he said the same thing about the music! i thought that was a smart observation
― challop and a muff (deej), Thursday, 25 November 2010 20:34 (thirteen years ago) link
can we just assume most people itt have read that review and move on already
― the pussy re-upholstery gang (some dude), Thursday, 25 November 2010 20:47 (thirteen years ago) link
And the review hasn't changed anybody's mind either.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 November 2010 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link
butthurtedness reigns
― challop and a muff (deej), Thursday, 25 November 2010 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link
After a few listens, what I find most frustrating about this is that the bad is inseparable from the good. With a flawed, overlong record like Speakerboxxx/The Love Below I can listen to the great tracks and skip the weak ones but here every single track has elements of brilliance and elements that stink. Just when I'm getting into one, some dreadful rhyme, weak guest spot or extended coda will sap my enjoyment.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 25 November 2010 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link
ust when I'm getting into one, some dreadful rhyme, weak guest spot or extended coda will sap my enjoyment.
This. 100%. And very few people 1) realize this and 2) ADMIT this. Most people are like, "Yeah, the 3-minute vocoder wanking at the end of "Runaway" is unnecessary and self-indulgent but WHATEVER, MAN, KANYE'S A GENIUS AND CAN DO NO WRONG. IT MUST BE GREAT LEST I SHATTER THE ILLUSION OF KANYE AS GENIUS!"
― altered boners (rennavate), Thursday, 25 November 2010 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't think you can level that accusation at anyone here. The published reviews, on the other hand, with the exception of nabisco's, have been dreadful.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 November 2010 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link
i.e. guilty as charged
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 November 2010 21:16 (thirteen years ago) link
― challop and a muff (deej), Thursday, November 25, 2010 3:59 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i'll say.
― the pussy re-upholstery gang (some dude), Thursday, 25 November 2010 21:16 (thirteen years ago) link
Right, and I'm not accusing everyone here of that.
― altered boners (rennavate), Thursday, 25 November 2010 21:25 (thirteen years ago) link
I am, in fact, referring to most of the published reviews.
ILXors in "our unsanctioned collective thoughts are better than published music writing" shockah
― i look at the interior of my sack and feel sad (ilxor), Thursday, 25 November 2010 23:06 (thirteen years ago) link
lol, 'sanctioned'
― challop and a muff (deej), Thursday, 25 November 2010 23:18 (thirteen years ago) link
this is the working title of your autobiography, right?
― aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 25 November 2010 23:22 (thirteen years ago) link
or your next album
― challop and a muff (deej), Thursday, 25 November 2010 23:25 (thirteen years ago) link
imo yer all nuts btw.
― hipity-hopity muzik ftw! (Ioannis), Thursday, 25 November 2010 23:27 (thirteen years ago) link
if I was as butthurt on my records as you are on ilx 24/7/365, I'd be a millionaire, emo's big business
― aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 25 November 2010 23:28 (thirteen years ago) link
forcing you to go off-board for your zing is like shooting fish in a barrel though, appreciate you as much as admitting that you're beaten
― aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 25 November 2010 23:29 (thirteen years ago) link
i think im more 'concerned with your obsessive posting' than 'butthurt'
― challop and a muff (deej), Thursday, 25 November 2010 23:34 (thirteen years ago) link
looooool nice try
― aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 25 November 2010 23:35 (thirteen years ago) link
how to deej1. make assertion, change ground when confronted2. stand ground on new claim3. when opponent becomes frustrated, claim he's really focused on you/part of a group ganging up on you4. rinse, lather repeat
― aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 25 November 2010 23:36 (thirteen years ago) link
how do i hurt butt
― 'The Road'(a hundred less-than signs)'Taken' (bernard snowy), Friday, 26 November 2010 00:02 (thirteen years ago) link
happy thanksgiving, rap threads!
― J0rdan S., Friday, 26 November 2010 01:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Btw hurting butt involves a plunger and an echinoderm.
― lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Friday, 26 November 2010 01:24 (thirteen years ago) link
teach me teach me how to butthurt
― samosa gibreel, Friday, 26 November 2010 01:36 (thirteen years ago) link
all my butts love me
― _| ̄|○| ̄|○| ̄|○ (dayo), Friday, 26 November 2010 01:41 (thirteen years ago) link
all my butts hurt me
― _| ̄|○| ̄|○| ̄|○ (dayo), Friday, 26 November 2010 01:42 (thirteen years ago) link
at least once or twice a month i'll go to check my e-mail and there's a message from deej on gchat or AIM about him venting about some ilx beef, often on a thread i haven't even posted on or looked at, and i'm like "uh dude why do you need talk about this outside the board and why do you assume i'd have your back"
― the pussy re-upholstery gang (some dude), Friday, 26 November 2010 02:02 (thirteen years ago) link
i started hearing the "j0hn is obsessed with me, he has it out for me" theory before i even saw you guys get into it on any recent threads btw
― the pussy re-upholstery gang (some dude), Friday, 26 November 2010 02:06 (thirteen years ago) link
http://maggiesfarm.anotherdotcom.com/uploads/paranoia.jpg
― _| ̄|○| ̄|○| ̄|○ (dayo), Friday, 26 November 2010 02:12 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah
― my beautiful deej twisted fantasy (symsymsym), Friday, 26 November 2010 02:58 (thirteen years ago) link
Goldberg favorite rhetorical move is to pretend that he's making some grand, semi-controversial point, then back off when asked to defend it. He wrote an entire book called "Liberal Fascism," about how liberals are the real fascists, but constantly insists that the theme of his book was not "liberals are fascists." He wrote a column about how Julian Assange should be assassinated, but insisted that the point of his column was not to say that Julian Assange should be assassinated. Did you know that proposing that kids perform community service 'is modern slavery?!? ("No, national service isn't slavery," he eventually writes, before saying, again, that it's basically the same thing.)
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 26 November 2010 04:06 (thirteen years ago) link
tmi
― hipity-hopity muzik ftw! (Ioannis), Friday, 26 November 2010 10:12 (thirteen years ago) link
lol @ lex's review of this
ride on brother
― whitney (tpp), Friday, 26 November 2010 10:14 (thirteen years ago) link
KBP Review: this is pretty great but I am worried about you, Kanye.
― Dubbo Housing (King Boy Pato), Friday, 26 November 2010 10:17 (thirteen years ago) link
How did the editor let this review through? What are you trying to knock down the Metacritic score a few points? How bout some legitimate points about the album instead of just attacking the guy as a person and presenting general points with nothing to back it up...What an asinine review.
― _| ̄|○| ̄|○| ̄|○ (dayo), Friday, 26 November 2010 10:18 (thirteen years ago) link
also props to the guardian for publishing that. the reviews of this album make me want to stop reading any music criticism xp
― whitney (tpp), Friday, 26 November 2010 10:18 (thirteen years ago) link
What are you trying to knock down the Metacritic score a few points?
i genuinely contemplated giving it one star just for this! but decided to be ~fair~ in the end, sigh
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Friday, 26 November 2010 10:23 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't really feel qualified/care to judge the "quality" of a review or whatever. Just glad not every single critic is calling this a masterpiece. Like some dude said on his twitter: how do we expect these guys to actually make genius albums if we give average albums like this 10/10?
― whitney (tpp), Friday, 26 November 2010 10:32 (thirteen years ago) link
can you honestly say that asa writer, you think this 'review' makes valid points, or even makes an interesting contribution to the 'kanye west debate'?
― _| ̄|○| ̄|○| ̄|○ (dayo), Friday, 26 November 2010 10:52 (thirteen years ago) link
I've noticed a depressing trend in the comments on Lex's review and others - this assumption by people who don't seem to understand that the Guardian is also a NEWSPAPER that all contentious opinions are just craven attempts to optimise page views, as if the Gawker model is the only game in town.
― The baby boomers have defined everything once and for all (Dorianlynskey), Friday, 26 November 2010 10:54 (thirteen years ago) link
"You're focusing on his persona, not the music" is one of the dumbest arguments I've seen in a while given his persona is inseparable from the music.
― Matt DC, Friday, 26 November 2010 12:33 (thirteen years ago) link
and given that the substance of the album is solely kanye's persona!
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Friday, 26 November 2010 12:40 (thirteen years ago) link
Just because Kanye's persona is all over his music doesn't mean that critiquing his persona is equivalent to critiquing the music. That would be like, I dunno, reviewing a Lady Gaga records by making fun of her outfits and not bothering to talk about the music.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Friday, 26 November 2010 13:09 (thirteen years ago) link
by the same token, being impressed by kanye's persona isn't the equivalent of being impressed by his music (which is what seems to be happening with nearly all of the reviews so far)
― _| ̄|○| ̄|○| ̄|○ (dayo), Friday, 26 November 2010 13:11 (thirteen years ago) link
Not really, because Gaga's persona mostly doesn't bleed into her records, Bad Romance aside most of them could be by anyone. You could never say the same about Kanye.
― Matt DC, Friday, 26 November 2010 13:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Mentioned it somewhere else, but I think if someone like Lady Gaga is all glorious ego, than this album is all super ego struggling against Id. Personally, I like the conflict, especially since I'm not quite sure where Kanye stands on the divide. Perhaps that's why it comes off so dark: Kanye doesn't know, either.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 November 2010 13:14 (thirteen years ago) link