is it maybe apples/oranges to compare the record sales of swift and west? like she may sell TONS of records, but its mostly to pop country consumers, who evidently buy records en masse that literally never make it to the ears of many radio listeners
on my local Clear Channel station, Taylor Swift got massive airplay in 2009 -- as much as Rihanna, Eminem, Soulja Boy, etc
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link
i.e. she hasn't been a pop country rep since 2007.
i mean if you just ask someone on the street "does the name kanye west mean anything to you, and what is his occupation?" more ppl would be able to answer the question correctly before they'd get "taylor swift" right
(NB - pre-VMAs. now everyone knows who she is)
xp nevermind!
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link
if you would really like to see a reason for destroying America, look at how many albums Carrie Underwood has sold
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:35 (thirteen years ago) link
i do find it somewhat hard to believe that Kanye isn't going to sell considerably more than Nicki
― some dude, Tuesday, November 23, 2010 4:19 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark
me too, but hits daily double is usually pretty accurate
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:35 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah taylor is on pop radio plenty -- i mean, "you belong with me" alone
Carrie Underwood has sold
who
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:35 (thirteen years ago) link
man i guess i am just waaaay more disconnected from pop culture than i thought.
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link
as usual I think we (I include myself) are basing our assertions on our own radio experiences. In South Florida, Swift was inescapable before the VMA's.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Season 4 American Idol winner, aka "country artist who cannot fucking sing a single note yet is still multiplatinum because people are fucking idiots"
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:37 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaSy8yy-mr8
this is the most bearable song she's done and it's still horrible
hmmmm. doubt she was getting much airplay on the MN pop stations for the VMAs, but i have no basis for that assertion, other than that there are well-established country stations that probably played her plenty. basically i know nothing
xp
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:38 (thirteen years ago) link
how far we've come: just blaze vs. kanye west
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link
eh -- I don't mind Underwood. Much more nefarious forces at work on the charts.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link
This is a generalization, but if you listened to pop radio in 2009 you heard Taylor Swift.
I guess it doesn't add up to the discussion since we're speaking American sales but in Mexico and Spain noone I've talked to knows who Taylor Swift is or recognize any of her most popular songs (none of her songs got any radio airplay on the pop radio stations over here as far as Im concerned) whereas Kanye West is pretty wide known by people in my age rank (20-30).
― Moka, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:40 (thirteen years ago) link
basically as far as I'm concerned the only good thing Carrie Underwood did was save America from BO BICE
otherwise she can go straight into the riverbound rock-filled sack with Owl City
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link
i look at the interior of my sack and feel sad
― markers, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link
when is that happening, btw, if they're going into the straight river i wanna score tickets, owatonna's only an hour away
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, kanye the performer doesn't even place among the 20 top selling artists/albums of the decade in terms of US sales, according to what i've been able to dig up. that's unfairly skewed by the late-decade "death of the music industry," of course, but nor is he single-handedly dominating the singles charts.
also, the idea that kanye is better known than swift in general may be due more to the bubble effect of our limited personal experience than any external reality. gbx says: "like she may sell TONS of records, but its mostly to pop country consumers, who evidently buy records en masse that literally never make it to the ears of many radio listeners. whereas: someone who's a pop star and is played on several different stations in a major market will at least be ~known~."
known to who? i suspect that many of the markets in which taylor swift is all over the radio actually are major markets and that many people know kanye west primarily as "that asshole who was rude to taylor" (and/or george bush). we all get myopic about the universality of our own private realities from time to time.
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:44 (thirteen years ago) link
we all get myopic about the universality of our own private realities from time to time.
basically full-time over here
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link
so should I bother dling this
― in a style known as "Early Cleveland" (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link
hell yeah
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link
on the Billboard decade-end charts I referred to earlier, which are not skewed by lower sales in the 2nd half of the decade, he's #45, just ahead of Rod Stewart, Ja Rule and (drumroll) Taylor Swift:
http://www.billboard.com/charts-decade-end#/charts-decade-end/billboard-200-artists?year=2009
― some dude, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link
the only good thing Carrie Underwood did was save America from BO BICE
how can this be a real person? sounds like a baby trying to say obie trice
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 23:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Record sales data trainspotting is like the duddest thing ever.
― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 23:58 (thirteen years ago) link
sorry dude, i know chart nerd shit is of limited interest even here
― some dude, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 00:02 (thirteen years ago) link
Eh I'm mostly just being a dick, but it all just seems irrelevant and meaningless.
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 00:05 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean u can boggle at the idea that ppl think hes a great artist but yr not just talking about ryan dombal & pfork editors, yr talking about lots & lots of music listeners
rememberin the good old days when deej was busting this line out on the garth brooks thread
― aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 00:19 (thirteen years ago) link
on ilx baseless assumptions will always trump hard data
― balls, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 00:22 (thirteen years ago) link
eh, sure chart & sales states are boring, but i wanted some perspective on the "kanye quaffs beverage, chokes woman, celebrates mastery of western civilization" storyline
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 00:37 (thirteen years ago) link
loooool
― some dude, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 00:38 (thirteen years ago) link
This thread doesn't inspire confidence in the album, does it.
I'm still deciding whether to pick this one up. I dunno about as rap albums but as albums I enjoyed his last two more than the first two, & loved 808s a lot. Still, time's always short & this sounds like a hassle from what's said here.
― Euler, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 00:41 (thirteen years ago) link
hey speaking of that storyline has anyone written a good piece on this record working in axl rose and eminem (maybe john lennon and kurt cobain too) yet. have avoided reading any reviews (EVEN NABISCO'S), though that 10.0 did prompt a dl. i've barely listened to it but from what i've heard i think my take is gonna be like hansel re: sting.
― balls, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 00:44 (thirteen years ago) link
im glad i heard this & greatly enjoy parts of it & think its an interesting phenomenon, from a distancedont think his actual celeb personality is an interesting phenomenon (a somewhat defensible position for loving this album is if u DO) and i definitely dont think the album is as artistically significant as he thinks it is in the way he thinks it is (an almost indefensible position -- like hearing Drake ruminate on the lyrical brilliance of his hashtag raps, or minaj talking about chilling with kanye in hawaii & dreaming up ways to come up with better raps, or jay-z's "off that") YET. it retains some interest to me simply by being such a spectacle. Also I sorta go for the baroque-ness of it in parts, if only to listen to once or twice, like a movie, then rarely ever play again
also 'monster' is still a banger imo
― challop and a muff (deej), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 00:47 (thirteen years ago) link
okay guys, can we really not figure out that the "choking" mention in "Blame Game" is a reference to deep throating
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 01:09 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm pretty sure he means having rough sex
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 24 November 2010 01:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Been a long time since I spoke to you in a bathroom gripping you up and choking you
i think "gripping" pretty much indicates that he's choking her w/ his hand
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 24 November 2010 01:10 (thirteen years ago) link
good morning
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 01:11 (thirteen years ago) link
if yr deep throater chokes he/she is doin it wrong
― aerosmith: the acid house years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 01:18 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^ I don't know anything about it this is just a rhyme from one of my unreleased raps
are we going to debate the meaning of the "I bruised her esophagus" line now to
― the pussy re-upholstery gang (some dude), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 02:19 (thirteen years ago) link
Damn you, ship -- this thread had been napping for more than an hour.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 02:20 (thirteen years ago) link
lol sorry -- my being away from the computer for a while probably contributed to its dormancy!
― the pussy re-upholstery gang (some dude), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 02:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Euler btw if you prefer the last two Kanye records, then I think just ignore this thread and enjoy this record.
― wheezy f baby (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 02:33 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah i was gonna say, this is probably right up the alley of people who like Graduation/808s more than CD/LR
― the pussy re-upholstery gang (some dude), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 02:40 (thirteen years ago) link
LR is so much better and even if you really get a hard-on for the baroque pop and/or prog rock shit it's still beating it. "we major" is so much more epic than anything on here. And the real epic has 3 minutes of autotune keyboard Peter frampton noodling...that's not prog
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 02:48 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^
― the pussy re-upholstery gang (some dude), Wednesday, 24 November 2010 02:49 (thirteen years ago) link
"devil in a new dress" is the real epic and it's as good as anything ye's ever done
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 24 November 2010 02:49 (thirteen years ago) link
This is his noodling album!! Why the fuck have mike dean toss in a fucking guitar solo in your sig with Raekwon? Jon brion would have been like uhhh let's call it a day
― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Wednesday, 24 November 2010 02:51 (thirteen years ago) link