ill be honestly surprised if he does worse than nicki. maybe a gender gap in downloading lps manifests here?
― challop and a muff (deej), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link
somehow I am not at all surprised that it looks like the black egomaniac is going to be outsold by the wholesome white girl he shamed on national television
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:55 (thirteen years ago) link
well to be fair she was selling more than he ever has even before the vmas thing
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 21:59 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah markers is trippin -- 'speak now''s first week numbers are the highest since carter III & will probably be the most for another few years or so
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link
you could maybe argue that the rush to embrace this album represents a retreat to a kind of aesthetic morality (important! visionary! risky! real! progressive!) in response to a pop culture that's become a bit too satisfied with pop artifice and superficiality. hence n's fascination with the grime beneath the polish.
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, November 23, 2010 3:49 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark
i don't think this is a retreat btw -- people have always been enamored w/ this kind of stuff
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:01 (thirteen years ago) link
how many copies did graduation sell? im seriously vv surprised hes supposedly going to sell so many fewer copies of this than speak now
― markers, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link
wikipedia sez 2,166,000
in the us
holy shit, alright, yeah, fearless had 6 mil + in the US, discussion over
― markers, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link
Why is that so surprising to you markers? Genuinely curious. I would have thought it'd be pretty obvious that T-Swift was going to obliterate pretty much everyone right now.
― "I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:06 (thirteen years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, November 23, 2010 2:01 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah i know. was mentally framing that wr2 popism.
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:08 (thirteen years ago) link
I would have thought it'd be pretty obvious that T-Swift was going to obliterate pretty much everyone right now.
― "I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, November 23, 2010 2:06 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
also obvious that kanye never really has been a massive pop star as measured by sales/hits. but his brand is "massive pop star" and apparently that's enough.
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:10 (thirteen years ago) link
if selling almost 20 million albums doesn't make you a massive pop star, I'm not sure what does
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:12 (thirteen years ago) link
also obvious that kanye never really has been a massive pop star as measured by sales/hits.
this is also wrong
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link
depends on your metric. none of his albums have sold half what Eminem or 50 Cent's biggest albums sold, but he still obviously is a pretty big deal.
― some dude, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:16 (thirteen years ago) link
― "I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:06
i dont really follow album sales at all! but i guess i feel like kanye is at least as famous, if not more so, than taylor and that he was probably on her level saleswise too? but i was obviously totally wrong
― markers, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:17 (thirteen years ago) link
Eminem didn't even score back to back #1's until this year.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:17 (thirteen years ago) link
and this isn't gonna sell that much more than nicki's album apparently,
this is way more surprising than the t-swift comparison
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:18 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah a lot of people who don't follow country or adult contempo radio or read all the chart numbers barely had an inkling of who Swift was or that she was considered famous before the Kanye thing -- she definitely doesn't cut across as many youth culture demographics as he does, seems less visible overall
― some dude, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:18 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm still playing wait-and-see on the sales this week, i do find it somewhat hard to believe that Kanye isn't going to sell considerably more than Nicki
― some dude, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:19 (thirteen years ago) link
According to Soundscan / Nielsen both 'graduation' and '808s and a heartbreak' were the #7 best selling albums of 2007 and 2009 respectively. Can't find the exact sales figures but it's a pretty impressive feat.
http://en-us.nielsen.com/content/dam/nielsen/en_us/documents/pdf/Press%20Releases/2007/December/The%20Nielsen%20Company%20Issues%20Top%20Ten%20U.S.%20Lists%20for%202007.pdf
http://en-us.nielsen.com/content/dam/nielsen/en_us/documents/pdf/Press%20Releases/2009/December/The%20Nielsen%20Company%20Issues%20Top%20Ten%20U.S.%20Lists%20for%202009.pdf
depends on your metric. none of his albums have sold half what Eminem or 50 Cent's biggest albums sold, but he still obviously is a pretty big deal.― some dude
― some dude
Erm... actually:
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music/2007/09/18/2007-09-18_report_kanye_west_worth_more_than_50_cen.html
(he also outsold eminem on 2009 according to the nielsen report I link to above)
― Moka, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:20 (thirteen years ago) link
for the lazy:
Top 10 Albums – thru Dec 2, 20071HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL 2SOUNDTRACK2DAUGHTRYDAUGHTRY3LINKIN PARKMINUTES TO MIDNIGHT4HANNAH MONTANA 2: MEET MILEY CYRUSSOUNDTRACK5FERGIEDUTCHESS6EAGLESLONG ROAD OUT OF EDEN7KANYE WESTGRADUATION8NICKELBACKALL THE RIGHT REASONS9AKONKONVICTED10JOSH GROBANNOELSource: Billboard 200 / Nielsen SoundScanNote: Data from Jan 1 – Dec 2 2007. Traditionally, album sales see significant increases during the holidays.Top 10 Albums 20091 Fearless Taylor Swift2 I am…Sasha Fierce Beyonce3 Dark Horse Nickelback4 Twilight Soundtrack5 Hannah Montana: The Movie Soundtrack6 Circus Britney Spears7 808s & Heartbreak Kanye West8 The Fame Lady Gaga9 Relapse Eminem10 The E.N.D. The Black Eyed PeasSource: Billboard 200 / The Nielsen CompanyNote: Data from Billboard issue dates Dec 6, 2008 issue through November 28, 2009(sales data from Nov. 17, 2008 through November 15, 2009).
1HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL 2SOUNDTRACK2DAUGHTRYDAUGHTRY3LINKIN PARKMINUTES TO MIDNIGHT4HANNAH MONTANA 2: MEET MILEY CYRUSSOUNDTRACK5FERGIEDUTCHESS6EAGLESLONG ROAD OUT OF EDEN7KANYE WESTGRADUATION8NICKELBACKALL THE RIGHT REASONS9AKONKONVICTED10JOSH GROBANNOEL
Source: Billboard 200 / Nielsen SoundScanNote: Data from Jan 1 – Dec 2 2007. Traditionally, album sales see significant increases during the holidays.
Top 10 Albums 2009
1 Fearless Taylor Swift2 I am…Sasha Fierce Beyonce3 Dark Horse Nickelback4 Twilight Soundtrack5 Hannah Montana: The Movie Soundtrack6 Circus Britney Spears7 808s & Heartbreak Kanye West8 The Fame Lady Gaga9 Relapse Eminem10 The E.N.D. The Black Eyed Peas
Source: Billboard 200 / The Nielsen CompanyNote: Data from Billboard issue dates Dec 6, 2008 issue through November 28, 2009(sales data from Nov. 17, 2008 through November 15, 2009).
― Moka, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost: sorry I just saw that you meant their biggest albums.
I meant exactly what I said: Kanye's biggest albums (the first 2, which sold 3 million each in the U.S.) haven't sold half of what Eminem's biggest album (MMLP, 9 million) or 50's biggest album (GRODT, 7 million) have sold.
xpost right, yeah
― some dude, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:25 (thirteen years ago) link
It seems that people under 14 and over 40 are the only ones really buying music anymore.
― Moka, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah a lot of people who don't follow country or adult contempo radio or read all the chart numbers barely had an inkling of who Swift was or that she was considered famous before the Kanye thing -- she definitely doesn't cut across as many youth culture demographics as he does, seems less visible overall― some dude, Tuesday, November 23, 2010 4:18 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark
― some dude, Tuesday, November 23, 2010 4:18 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark
i still have yet to hear a taylor swift song knowingly
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:27 (thirteen years ago) link
well, kanye's done 3 mil per album in the US, with not much more around the world - up until 808s, which only did 2 mil US. not saying he's not a big deal, but he's not up there among the very biggest sellers of his era. otoh, he's running very close behind. again, this isn't to suggest that he isn't a star, isn't deserving, but rather that the supposed inevitability of MBDTF's ecstatic reception is a little strange.
― phish in your sleazebag (contenderizer), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:28 (thirteen years ago) link
Hmm...certainly by the end of 2009 and start of 2009 the Fearless singles guaranteed someone somewhere had heard something by Swift. I was one of them; I'd barely heard "Tim McGraw" in 2006 or 2007.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:29 (thirteen years ago) link
of course, Kanye's solo career peaked later than Em or 50, a little after album sales started to slide, but even on something like the Billboard decade-end charts, where chart placement matters and changes in overall sales don't really effect things, Kanye's highest up album is only #42 on the hip hop/R&B list:
http://www.billboard.com/charts-decade-end#/charts-decade-end/r-b-hip-hop-albums?year=2009&begin=1&order=position
― some dude, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:29 (thirteen years ago) link
well, kanye's done 3 mil per album in the US, with not much more around the world - up until 808s, which only did 2 mil US. not saying he's not a big deal, but he's not up there among the very biggest sellers of his era. otoh, he's running very close behind.
Also: his production credits.
but rather that the supposed inevitability of MBDTF's ecstatic reception is a little strange
that inevitability isn't purely sales-based though, it's that spot in the venn diagram where a certain amount of critical cred intersects with high sales
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:31 (thirteen years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanye_West_production_discography
― Moka, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:31 (thirteen years ago) link
is it maybe apples/oranges to compare the record sales of swift and west? like she may sell TONS of records, but its mostly to pop country consumers, who evidently buy records en masse that literally never make it to the ears of many radio listeners. whereas: someone who's a pop star and is played on several different stations in a major market will at least be ~known~
that is, if i go tuning through the radio and stop at stations i deem tolerable, there's a good chance i'll hear/get familiar with kanye's latest. i never EVER listen to country radio so the chances of hearing swift (or any other mega country star) is basically nil. and i don't think i'm alone here.
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:32 (thirteen years ago) link
also wow, i didn't realise this but "power" and "runaway" both flopped hard in the UK - peaks of no 36 and no 56 respectively, then they disappeared. cf 808s - two top 10 hits, both of which hung around for ages.
― lex lex lex lex lex on the track BOW (lex pretend), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:32 (thirteen years ago) link
is it maybe apples/oranges to compare the record sales of swift and west? like she may sell TONS of records, but its mostly to pop country consumers, who evidently buy records en masse that literally never make it to the ears of many radio listeners
on my local Clear Channel station, Taylor Swift got massive airplay in 2009 -- as much as Rihanna, Eminem, Soulja Boy, etc
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link
i.e. she hasn't been a pop country rep since 2007.
i mean if you just ask someone on the street "does the name kanye west mean anything to you, and what is his occupation?" more ppl would be able to answer the question correctly before they'd get "taylor swift" right
(NB - pre-VMAs. now everyone knows who she is)
xp nevermind!
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link
if you would really like to see a reason for destroying America, look at how many albums Carrie Underwood has sold
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:35 (thirteen years ago) link
i do find it somewhat hard to believe that Kanye isn't going to sell considerably more than Nicki
― some dude, Tuesday, November 23, 2010 4:19 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark
me too, but hits daily double is usually pretty accurate
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:35 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah taylor is on pop radio plenty -- i mean, "you belong with me" alone
Carrie Underwood has sold
who
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:35 (thirteen years ago) link
man i guess i am just waaaay more disconnected from pop culture than i thought.
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link
as usual I think we (I include myself) are basing our assertions on our own radio experiences. In South Florida, Swift was inescapable before the VMA's.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link
Season 4 American Idol winner, aka "country artist who cannot fucking sing a single note yet is still multiplatinum because people are fucking idiots"
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:37 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaSy8yy-mr8
this is the most bearable song she's done and it's still horrible
hmmmm. doubt she was getting much airplay on the MN pop stations for the VMAs, but i have no basis for that assertion, other than that there are well-established country stations that probably played her plenty. basically i know nothing
xp
― BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:38 (thirteen years ago) link
how far we've come: just blaze vs. kanye west
― bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link
eh -- I don't mind Underwood. Much more nefarious forces at work on the charts.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link
This is a generalization, but if you listened to pop radio in 2009 you heard Taylor Swift.
I guess it doesn't add up to the discussion since we're speaking American sales but in Mexico and Spain noone I've talked to knows who Taylor Swift is or recognize any of her most popular songs (none of her songs got any radio airplay on the pop radio stations over here as far as Im concerned) whereas Kanye West is pretty wide known by people in my age rank (20-30).
― Moka, Tuesday, 23 November 2010 22:40 (thirteen years ago) link