I don't think anyone actually defends "Pinocchio Story"
I was certainly hoping not.
― "I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 22 November 2010 16:37 (thirteen years ago) link
ahh you're right, "pinocchio" is awful awful bad
― ilxor, Monday, 22 November 2010 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
actually pretty sure this is all art criticism foreverdudes did you guys hear van gogh cut off his own fucking ear, hardcore― congratulations (n/a), Monday, November 22, 2010 4:23 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalinkha I was going to get there eventually― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, November 22, 2010 4:30 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark
dudes did you guys hear van gogh cut off his own fucking ear, hardcore
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, November 22, 2010 4:23 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
ha I was going to get there eventually
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, November 22, 2010 4:30 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark
― underplayed junior boys remixes I have forgotten were on my comp (bernard snowy), Monday, 22 November 2010 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link
tbh I think going gaga for Kanye's monomania makes more sense than going gaga for R. Kelly's "Trapped In The Closet", possibly because it is rather unambiguously about Kanye and his failings and not presented as some weird R&B/hip-hop telenovela crossed with "a peek into the lives of black people" nonsense
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 16:47 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah. that's a good point.
okay I just put the album on my comp and am abt to listen, will stop spouting off uninformedly
"can we get much higher" — sure, I'm down if u want to
― underplayed junior boys remixes I have forgotten were on my comp (bernard snowy), Monday, 22 November 2010 16:50 (thirteen years ago) link
can youuuuuuu takeeee meee hhhiiigggheer
― markers, Monday, 22 November 2010 16:52 (thirteen years ago) link
hooray markers is here
― ciderpress, Monday, 22 November 2010 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link
just made it thru "power" and I'm already tired
― underplayed junior boys remixes I have forgotten were on my comp (bernard snowy), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:05 (thirteen years ago) link
As it stands, it reads as a dude you know attempting to convince you using empirical evidence that this is the best album of the year and failing miserably because he is exuding uncritical fanboyishness out of every pore, causing muddled comparisons and rampant overselling of things that, if they are as good as he says they are, would speak for themselves.
Welcome to music writing, DJP. Take a chair.
― Brad Nelson (BradNelson), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:07 (thirteen years ago) link
"power" is phenomenal -- my fav thing i've heard from the album proper, thus far
xp
― ilxor, Monday, 22 November 2010 17:07 (thirteen years ago) link
and break it against someone's head.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:07 (thirteen years ago) link
done and done
brb, running from security
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:08 (thirteen years ago) link
just curious -- and again this is coming from someone who isnt really coming back to this record all that much -- what record that pfork reviews SHOULD get a 10.0 if not kanye's art-prog-rap? what record makes more sense as a 10.0? i kinda feel like -- & again, i have little invested in the perception of the site, but from an editorial perspective -- can you think of a better record to represent pfork's aesthetic outlook? anyone who says big boi gets a chop & a muff
― smangs of new york (deej), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:09 (thirteen years ago) link
Janelle Monae
(hoping for a rib and a clam)
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:10 (thirteen years ago) link
but so 'retro'! not popular enough!
― smangs of new york (deej), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:10 (thirteen years ago) link
well also not a serious suggestion
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link
10.0 should be rare grades: it denotes perfection. Obviously PFM thinks this record deserves it.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link
I haven't heard any 10.0 records in years.
I think people are just saying that scores should reflect the quality and listenability of a record and not the editorial perspective and aesthetic outlook of the publication giving the score?
xpost - Alfred otm. sometimes i'm not sure i've every heard a 10/10
― vodka loko lame (some dude), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:11 (thirteen years ago) link
i just think if p4k was going to go all out and make a big event~ out of giving it a 10.0 they should have given it a far better written & more convincing review. i was more interested in picking up the record by reading tom ewing's ten bullet points on tumblr.
― prolego, Monday, 22 November 2010 17:12 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah deej otm in that this is the only album that it makes sense to give a 10 to - regardless of the quality of it - there's more to it than that, the narrative is there, it feels like a 10.0 album even if it doesn't necessarily sound like one to you personally?
― The Brainwasher² = (The Brainwasher) X (The Brainwasher), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:12 (thirteen years ago) link
btw i'd been holding onto some Be Here Now zings about this record for a minute, pissed at you guys for beating me to it
― vodka loko lame (some dude), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:12 (thirteen years ago) link
ilxor — yeah, "power" was my favorite thing I'd heard coming into this album — I got nothing against it except that it's at least a minute too long, which wouldn't be so bad if the two tracks before it weren't also... 'shit adds up'
"all of the lights" is a p.dramatic change of pace — and "monster" right after it, even moreso!
― underplayed junior boys remixes I have forgotten were on my comp (bernard snowy), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:12 (thirteen years ago) link
There's more to an album than its quality?
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:13 (thirteen years ago) link
talking about how the "narrative" "feels" is kind of a way of saying that people had this on their year-end list probably before the first or second single dropped.
― vodka loko lame (some dude), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:13 (thirteen years ago) link
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, November 22, 2010 11:11 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
this is a really boring way of using a number system imo. PERFECTION is boring
― smangs of new york (deej), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link
they most likely did though
― The Brainwasher² = (The Brainwasher) X (The Brainwasher), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link
― vodka loko lame (some dude), Monday, November 22, 2010 11:11 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
or maybe an overlap of the 2?
I mean, you're right, Brainwasher, if you're claiming the album's excellence was but one criterion in awarding it a 10.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:15 (thirteen years ago) link
um, if it was boring it wouldn't be perfect
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:15 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^ exactly
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link
deej is kind of touching on this but I do think it's interesting that 10.0 seems to equal "perfection" but what makes this album fascinating/enjoyable to me is its imperfection
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, November 22, 2010 11:13 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
there's more to 'quality' than your arbitrary subjective rating, when it comes to a large community of listeners discussing a record. things like context & narratives & relatability & consensus & etc
― smangs of new york (deej), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link
maybe it's just me, but if I was bored by something there is no way I would describe it as "perfect"
possibly "pristine" or "immaculate" if I was being nice or "unsurprising" or "uninspired" if I wasn't, but "perfect" is supposed to be a positive, isn't it?
xp: that's because, when they work, flaws are considered idiosyncrasies
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
well that's what makes it fascinating/enjoyable to me as an object/album/concept, really I just like fun songs
― congratulations (n/a), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link
what makes this album fascinating/enjoyable to me is its imperfection
Yeah, this makes sense, and more than half the albums I love are lovable precisely because they're imperfect. But if a 10.0 is the equivalent of an A+, then to me it means there's nothing – not a note – wrong with the album.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
i think 'there are no perfect albums!!' is a super nerdy/lame cop-out, basically
― smangs of new york (deej), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
xp yeah, I'm not saying the actual quality of the record is not important, but there are a host of other things that make it the kind of album that it makes sense to give a 10 to - more contextual elements (impact, kanye's public persona/ the "narrative", etc.)
― The Brainwasher² = (The Brainwasher) X (The Brainwasher), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:18 (thirteen years ago) link
10.0 = unlike anything else u will hear this year (unless it's 2002, or a radiohead album or important reissue came out this year)
― underplayed junior boys remixes I have forgotten were on my comp (bernard snowy), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:19 (thirteen years ago) link
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, November 22, 2010 11:18 AM (12 seconds ago) Bookmark
thats according to you. maybe other ppl dont use the number system like its a math test score
― smangs of new york (deej), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:19 (thirteen years ago) link
yes, which I have already noted.
no one has claimed this.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:19 (thirteen years ago) link
what record, alfred, is so perfect & unmarred by flaws that it would deserve a 10.0 from pfork
― smangs of new york (deej), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link
How exactly would you use it in a manner that wouldn't be like a math test score that still makes it meaningful? You seem to be arguing that the rating is arbitrary, in which case why have it at all?
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link
has any album got 9.9? that actually seems more ridiculous
― Noel 1 Silence 0 (blueski), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link
xp oh sorry 'there havent been perfect albums in years'
― smangs of new york (deej), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, November 22, 2010 11:21 AM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
of course it's arbitrary!! youre giving a numerical rating to a piece of art ...?
"oh man would've been a 10 but the fadeout at the end of track 7 is just too abrupt"
― Noel 1 Silence 0 (blueski), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link
Your record of being a douchebag.
― look at it, pwn3d, made u look at my peen/vadge (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link
It is NOT arbitrary, it's subjective. There is a massive difference.
― ali-baba-boob-job-bomb.jpg (DJP), Monday, 22 November 2010 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, we're just having a conversation - what are you being so defensive about?