So, over a winter blues-y holiday I got really into Dear You, and decided that in the spirit of motherfuckers doing their January juice cleanses, I'm only listening to these guys for a month. Trying to focus on listening only to a record a week to not drive myself too nuts. Really enjoying it so far. Remembering listening to stuff like "Lawn" over and over because it was one of the few on Unfun that stuck with me at first, but then reading the lyrics and being disappointed I couldn't really relate. Which in retrospect is sort of a funny way to think of lyrics.
I realized yesterday afternoon that the bridge of "Eye-5" is where they became the stoned moody Jawbreaker I love best, the side of the band that overtook em by Dear You.
The Live album is actually my favorite--"Jinx Removing" on there is fucking killer--so I'm looking forward to listening to it last.
― i like HOOS but this took the cake off my table (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Saturday, 4 January 2014 17:43 (ten years ago) link
i love that in the middle of dark as fuck bivouac in the midst of an angry mutual-loathing fest like "tour song" you can still get a little bright spot like
in the middle of their 'weird, dark' follow up to the pop-punky *Unfun*, in the middle of a song about how swaths of the punk underground hate the band and there's a mutual loathing from the band as they travel the country playing to crowds of people that sneer at them, we get--
"Two cool people cameThey're hiding by the doorEyes wide with frightA guy, a girl, in love with the whole worldIt almost makes it right"
― i like HOOS but this took the cake off my table (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Monday, 6 January 2014 16:32 (ten years ago) link
BIVOUAC
otm
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, April 22, 2013 6:24 PM (8 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― i like HOOS but this took the cake off my table (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 16:01 (ten years ago) link
holy shit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KGzXUmbyiQ
Published on Nov 10, 2014In 2013, I found an unprocessed Super 8 film cartridge of footage I shot in 1992. I had no idea what it was. This is it.
In 2013, I found an unprocessed Super 8 film cartridge of footage I shot in 1992. I had no idea what it was. This is it.
― ✓ out this insane nakh yall (gr8080), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 00:13 (nine years ago) link
holy shit
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 06:02 (nine years ago) link
aw, good find. also noticed recently that bivouac is available on spotify. that's quite new, isn't it?
― the european nikon is here (grauschleier), Thursday, 13 November 2014 08:56 (nine years ago) link
It was just brought to my attention that there is a band calling itself JAWBREAKER REUNION which is just this side of FREE BEER as a dishonest means of getting people to accidentally see your lousy band.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 11 June 2015 17:49 (nine years ago) link
tbf jawbreaker reunion is actually p good
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 11 June 2015 19:44 (nine years ago) link
hmm should I tell the Jawbreaker drummer about this
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 11 June 2015 19:48 (nine years ago) link
Adam laughed when i asked him about this, he'd already heard about it
― Οὖτις, Friday, 12 June 2015 02:43 (nine years ago) link
Haha
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 12 June 2015 03:15 (nine years ago) link
lol
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 12 June 2015 04:27 (nine years ago) link
the katydid will be torn apart, and its dismembered body carried back to the bivouacby the end of the day, raiding parties return along the main trail, carrying
― mookieproof, Thursday, 9 July 2015 01:12 (nine years ago) link
Part of me wants to defend the group calling itself JAWBREAKER REUNION on fool-&-his-money grounds--at the same time, I totally expect bad things to happen to the people behind it.
― Heroic melancholy continues to have a forceful grip on (bernard snowy), Thursday, 9 July 2015 01:29 (nine years ago) link
http://www.chicagoreader.com/Bleader/archives/2017/04/19/riot-fest-pulls-off-another-coup-jawbreakers-first-public-performance-since-1996
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 19 April 2017 14:39 (seven years ago) link
I... honestly can't believe that's possible...
― eah, Saturday, 22 April 2017 01:06 (seven years ago) link
The 3rd result if you Google Blake's name is a mysterious and vague thread on some punk message board about him being arrested last year and having some vaguely erratic behavior. I wonder what the deal was.
― Jalapeño Coladas, Saturday, 22 April 2017 18:51 (seven years ago) link
Did you know...
Adam's sister is Kembra (lead singer of The Voluptuous Horror of Karen Black)?
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 20 October 2018 02:13 (five years ago) link
there's keys in their eyes but they lock from the inside
― mookieproof, Sunday, 30 December 2018 04:11 (five years ago) link
this is my condition
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Sunday, 30 December 2018 04:12 (five years ago) link
This Julian Baker cover is pretty great:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uxT0z-TDEk
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 30 December 2018 04:35 (five years ago) link
...like I know how she could have done something less faithful in the second half of the song but she chose to stick to the original arrangement.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 30 December 2018 04:37 (five years ago) link
so how were the reunion shows? trying to work out whether to hit the London one
― Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Sunday, 30 December 2018 21:43 (five years ago) link
Great! Setlist for the one I went to:
Chesterfield KingWest Bay InvitationalSea Foam GreenChemistryThe Boat Dreams From the HillAcheShield Your EyesSave Your GenerationCondition OaklandJet BlackAccident ProneParabolaKiss the Bottle
Encore:BoxcarBasilica
Blake's voice was great, sounded not far off from the early 90s despite his recent tailspin of personal tragedy/crisis. "Shield Your Eyes" was kind of weird, like slow and dirgy, unlike the record. They played every song I wanted them to so I can't complain.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 30 December 2018 22:30 (five years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dxxlo7RUcAAsUb9.jpg
― mookieproof, Friday, 25 January 2019 21:23 (five years ago) link
wonderful
― husked, tonal wails (irrational), Friday, 25 January 2019 22:56 (five years ago) link
Watched the documentary, I've never actually heard this band before and I mixed them up with Jawbox (as Albini does here) who I also haven't heard yet. I'm quite taken aback by how extreme the backlash was for them signing to a major label. I feel like I should know this already but what was the objection beyond bands often not getting a desirable level of control? What was supposed to be objectively evil about major labels?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 1 February 2021 18:31 (three years ago) link
https://thebaffler.com/salvos/the-problem-with-music
― a (waterface), Monday, 1 February 2021 19:13 (three years ago) link
I mean, it was also the context of the time. "Selling out" was a huge thing in 1994 and so many indie/punk fans took it very, very seriously. I wasn't that into them, but I had some big time punk friends that were furious about it. To them, it was unimaginable, almost as if Fugazi suddenly signed to DGC or something.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 1 February 2021 19:24 (three years ago) link
It's kind of funny how I always liked about half the songs of their early records and I was among the angry fans pissed about Dear You. Looking back now, I probably like the same % of songs on it as its predecessors.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 1 February 2021 19:29 (three years ago) link
i got into jawbreaker in the mid-'00s and the talk about dear you seemed so silly from that vantage point
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 1 February 2021 20:32 (three years ago) link
it is, on a certain kind of day, their best record
24 Hour Revenge Therapy and the B-sides comp are the only ones I have. Just never fully got into them, but I absolutely love Jets to Brazil.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 1 February 2021 20:35 (three years ago) link
Did these punk fans not own any major label releases or was there just something genre specific that rubbed them wrong?
Is it always clear which labels are major? Was a pretty-big-but-not-quite-major okay? I didn't think 4AD was a major but apparently it is.
I had heard about all that A&R and debt stuff for numerous bands but is a bad deal the absolute rule for major labels?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 1 February 2021 21:19 (three years ago) link
jawbox also got some shit for leaving dischord, but not nearly as much iirc
possibly because their atlantic debut is also their best record
― mookieproof, Monday, 1 February 2021 22:54 (three years ago) link
RAG - I'm not sure there is a one size fits all answer, everyone seemed to take slightly different positions on what constituted "selling out"m but for quite a few years it was overused to the point of meaninglessness.
But to answer some of your questions - I had some friends that were strictly local and verifiably indie label fans where like Touch & Go and Dischord were probably the "biggest" labels for them, but other friends who bought major label stuff too, they just didn't like their indie faves to jump ship.
I think up until the early 90's it was easier (although there were some exceptions) to tell a major from an indie, but it got murky after Nirvana blew up and the alt rock explosion happened - majors would set up barely concealed (or not at all) "indie" imprints or set up distribution deals with indies (it was a huge deal when Capitol bought 49% of Matador).
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 1 February 2021 23:02 (three years ago) link
A lot punks I knew then would turn their noses up stuff like Discord and Touch & Go as "mini majors," or shit on small labels that used big distributors.
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Monday, 1 February 2021 23:20 (three years ago) link
The group saying stuff like this probably didn't help...https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/w7w6cepjeye.png
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 00:26 (three years ago) link
bad scene, their fault
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 00:38 (three years ago) link
heh
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 00:39 (three years ago) link
that song is about puck from real world sf i think
Redfin.com:
4302 West St Unit A Oakland, CA 94608$1,583,574
Some inside baseball: My friend lived in the apartment next door to Blake & Adam off 20th St & Mission in SF before Blake moved to Oakland. My friend's 2BR/1BA apartment was $300/month. My friend also moved to Oakland (downtown tho) around the same time and rented a floor in an old rundown victorian for $125/month. The bay area was in a recession and the earthquake recovery was still pretty slow.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 2 February 2021 00:41 (three years ago) link
It was featured in the documentary that Blake stated he would never go major just 4 weeks before actually signing to one and I did get that they shot themselves in the foot that way, but the fact that some former friends outright refused to talk to them still surprised me.
Is Mute counted as a major?
One of the issues I've seen coming up with indies is that they can't always keep up the supply when something sells extremely well and that a big enough success could destroy a small label. But how often does that happen?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 09:00 (three years ago) link
It seems like bad decision-making destroys small labels, but massive sales allows them to make bad decisions on a larger scale.Lookout apparently went nuts with all the Green Day back catalog money coming in, but there was also an ownership change.Dischord managed Fugazi selling a million records though...
Isn't Dear You making more money for Jawbreaker under their own label than it did on Geffen?
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 2 February 2021 20:11 (three years ago) link
Speaking of Fugazi, I guess Ian Mackaye is a fan of Jawbreaker. There's a photo circulating of Ian watching these guys play at the Fillmore Silver Spring, near Washington DC last night (standing by himself in a side of stage area reserved for special guests)
― curmudgeon, Monday, 25 April 2022 14:36 (two years ago) link
there was a sun once
― mookieproof, Saturday, 15 April 2023 03:23 (one year ago) link
24 hour revenge therapy came out 30 years ago today
― mookieproof, Thursday, 8 February 2024 04:54 (seven months ago) link
Classic record. Not my fave because I'm a weirdo who loves Bivouac more, but still a great one.
― husked, tonal wails (irrational), Thursday, 8 February 2024 15:00 (seven months ago) link