Azari & III - Hungry For The Power (and suggest me some similar stuff)

artificial artifice

please don't say something about real house music

― ℗⎣▲✘ (ico), Wednesday, 3 August 2011 18:41 (4 minutes ago) Permalink

i didnt. are you reading what im posting at all?

my concern is that the cynicism w/ which they appropriate the past too often on this record (although not exclusively) expects the signifyers of past dance hits to do most of the work, which means they dont worry about songwriting / track construction. its too much of a game of 'remember this 90s house trick??' + frankly a somewhat weird homosploitation vibe for two straight producers (i.e. a track called "manhooker" and a BUILDING IS LIKE A COCK cover art) + general laziness

can i flip this question and ask, what are these guys bringing to the table that old songs dont already have? they dont sound very reverent at all, that i agree with.

― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Wednesday, August 3, 2011 6:19 PM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark

thread needs moonship journey to baja (nb he could entirely disagree w/ me)

you are the one introducing phrases like camp revivalism and pastiche so

pastiche is a style not a criticism. 'reckless' is pastiche too and i love that song

pas·tiche (p-stsh, pä-)
n.
1. A dramatic, literary, or musical piece openly imitating the previous works of other artists, often with satirical intent.
2. A pasticcio of incongruous parts; a hodgepodge: "In . . . a city of splendid Victorian architecture . . . there is a rather pointless pastiche of Dickensian London down on the waterfront" (Economist).

the choice of pastiche DIRECTLY INVOKES the binary between the real and copy. seriously use words you understand.

by saying pastiche you strongly imply that rather than operating *in the tradition of* a particular genre that they are imitating the signifiers of that genre.

they are doing lol camp pastiches of classic house. i have no idea how i could have read real v fake into that jesus christ let me wipe these spectacles

1. A dramatic, literary, or musical piece openly imitating the previous works of other artists, often with satirical intent.

where does this say anything about real vs. copy? imo this music is openly imitating previous works of other artists

seriously use dictionaries you understand

ok you're an idiot

you seem to have confused things; the problem w/ 'real' vs 'fake' is when someone implies real is inherently better . thats not what im doing here. this is house music made up of lots of different notably 'house'-associated ideas/sounds. that makes it a 'pastiche.' there is no judgement of quality there

im·i·ta·tion (m-tshn)
n.
1. The act or an instance of imitating.
2. Something derived or copied from an original.
3. Music
a. Repetition of a phrase or melody often with variations in key, rhythm, and voice.
b. Repetition of a theme in another voice such that each part con

whats your point

lol l8r

i don't see the camp in azari & III's music.

lol l8r

― ℗⎣▲✘ (ico), Wednesday, August 3, 2011 7:08 PM (53 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol grow up

You've done this whole using words that generally carry negative connotations but insisting you are using them in a neutral way while using them to slag something off routine before.

You've done this whole using words that generally carry negative connotations but insisting you are using them in a neutral way while using them to slag something off routine before.

― dutty whiney (The Reverend), Wednesday, August 3, 2011 7:10 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

is that really what im doing? 'pastiche' never means something positive? im slagging off 'reckless,' a pastiche & one of my 5 favorite songs of last year? cmon rev

all pastiche means is made up of older parts of songs! thats it!

so. you're criticising them. using words that are synonymous with real v fake. but claiming that because those words don't necessarily carry negative connotations (that's true! well done!) that I am misreading you somehow in saying that *those words are synonymous with real v fake.* I will grow up, but i'd rather do it getting ice-cream than having a pointless circular argument with you as words magically empty themselves of meaning as soon as you use them.

so. you're criticising them. using words that are synonymous with real v fake. but claiming that because those words don't necessarily carry negative connotations (that's true! well done!) that I am misreading you somehow in saying that *those words are synonymous with real v fake.* I will grow up, but i'd rather do it getting ice-cream than having a pointless circular argument with you as words magically empty themselves of meaning as soon as you use them.

― ℗⎣▲✘ (ico), Wednesday, August 3, 2011 7:17 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

pastiche is not synonymous with real vs. fake

∞

I'm not criticizing azari for being "fake" when compared to "real" house, which is what youre accusing me of, right? I'm not doing that at all. Its simply untrue. Saying that they make 80s/90s dance pastiche is a simple descrption of what they do.

The value judgement is that on the songs I don't like, they arent good enough songwriters or track constructors to bring these elements together into great songs; theres a sort of wishful thinking that hopefully if you pile enough signifyers together ppl will enjoy it simply as a memory exercise in nostalgia

I'm actually really interested in heating from people who really like this lp what youthink it is that makes it seem fresh.even with the songs I do like, I've had trouble articulating what pushed this ahead of rote revivalism. Theres definitely an irreverence here for one thing

Which is part of where the chromeo comparison came from

I'm actually really interested in heating from people

lol freudian slip

Swypian slip

For me it would have to sound very like one particular band/producer or label from a certain period for it to be a problem. If, say, it sounded exactly like Virgo IV or Inner City then I probably wouldn't like it but it casts a far wider net than that and gives it all a bit of a reboot to boot. The time frame it covers is too wide for it to be pastiche and there's simply something of recombinant brilliance about it for me.

i don't see the camp in azari & III's music.

― jed_, Wednesday, August 3, 2011 7:08 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

camp is more in their videos i think

threads that make u wish Carles posted to ilx

The groups presentation certainly dabbles in it. I do find "hungry for the power" to work from in that way in particular, the theatricality of it certainly.

i don't see the camp in azari & III's music.

they are megacamp live

Which is certainly not something I could say about Chromeo.

I would btw! They just have shallow hearts and souls.

I like chromeo btw. The diss was that it was like their first album rather than their 2nd

I'm softening on the first half of this lp

Yeah, this is avery very good album
Maybe not top 20 for this year but close and growingon me

I wish this album was more Reckless With Your Love and less Hungry For The Power. I can sort of appreciate it and all that but for some reason it mostly just leaves me cold.

Maybe it's a drug/club of yore Pavlovian reaction thing. When I hear Indigo and Tunnel Vision, I feel like there's a jet engine going off in my head.

That's the weird thing, I would expect to have exactly that reaction but for some reason I don't.

Their live show is fucking awesome by the way - and I think semi-improvised?

yeah, it seemed like mostly songs in the first half, mostly jamming in the second half?

this is a very modern sounding house/pop album. it is extremely referential, as so much of dance music has been for quite a while now, but it combines so many different influences and yet still has a clear individual style. when they first dropped "hungry for the power" and "reckless" i was worried they would be kind of sampling different house sounds from the late 80s/early 90s as they continued (even tho those are still my classic faves), but with the release of "indigo" they started to identify their sound. they have some really interesting moments on this album. "change of heart" is one for me. pretty stoked on the album as a whole, even though a couple of the more aggressive songs i could take or leave.

basically agreed.

wasted my first listen of this cleaning my apt mad at my roommate :/ didnt really catch much

chromeo comparison seems on-point but I'm surprised this bothers anybody that was into herculues & love machine or whatever they were called

It's much colder sounding than that implies though. More like Hercules and Love Affair as remixed by Carl Craig. Except not as good as that sounds. Wish they hadn't gone with that huge cavernous warehouse sound, although it should be catnip to me for some reason I can't connect with it, although Reckless is basically a perfect record.

It's like you know that feeling you get when you put on a really great techno record in the morning and have to turn it off because your brain's just not ready for techno yet? That's kind of the feeling I get with this in a lhousier form.

Matt DC captures it exactly i think

fwiw i didnt love H&LA although "Blind" was still a jam .... and that one with the 'little boy herculeees' chorus that i imagine being used in a disney film (in a good way?)

i wanna see the live jam sesh incarnation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KpB-tmVn2w&feature=related