Kool G Rap vs Big L

― autogoon delight (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 4 October 2009 22:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

is my vote

― autogoon delight (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 4 October 2009 22:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

i counter with:

don't know who to vote for yet.

― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 4 October 2009 22:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

Why not settle for both?

― Tuomas, Sunday, 4 October 2009 22:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

too bad the backing track is pretty weak

― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 4 October 2009 22:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

Predicting 6 votes total. Should've put "RYM" somewhere in the title.

― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Monday, 5 October 2009 14:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

v.

bbegrudgingly voting big l.

― I'M LEGALLY A MIDGET (a hoy hoy), Monday, 5 October 2009 14:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

You know nothin about L, so don't doubt L
What's this mothafuckin rap game without L?

― myndbloom, Monday, 5 October 2009 14:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

big l is great but honestly i feel like kool g was so crucial to creating the template from which big l worked, it's gotta be kool g rap.

though this is probably one of those "hey 10 dudes on ILM that actually post to threads like this, how old are you?" type poll results.

― sexiled on main street (M@tt He1ges0n), Monday, 5 October 2009 18:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

I probably listen to Lifestyles a little more than I do any of my Kool G albums so L, I guess. Very tough choice.

― Alex in SF, Monday, 5 October 2009 18:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

in my 30's, so g rap.

― ojo, Monday, 5 October 2009 18:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

― System, Monday, 5 October 2009 23:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

Kool G Rap for sure

― xhuxk mangione (deej), Monday, 5 October 2009 23:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

Don't even know Big L. Where should I start?

― Giorgio Marauder (I eat cannibals), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 00:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

Lifestyles ov da Poor and Dangerous is better than anything Kool G put out, but if we're talking catalogs I'd have to go with Kool G. I don't know, it feels messed up to slight Big L for getting shot, though...

― een, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 00:28 (3 years ago) Permalink

― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 03:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

in my (late) 20s, so Big L

― suggest friend (hmmmm), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 04:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

― ¯ ϖ ¯ (Dr. Phil), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 04:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

I probably listen to Lifestyles a little more than I do any of my Kool G albums so L, I guess.

― Goethe*s Elective Affinities, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 05:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

I'm not some crumbsnatching new Jack herb, so g rap

― Tuomo - Babysity (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 05:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

pffft

― ¯ ϖ ¯ (Dr. Phil), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 05:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

4,5,6 >>>> lifestylez

― xhuxk mangione (deej), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 05:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

kind of a challops i know

― xhuxk mangione (deej), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 05:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

but obv like 'road to the riches' >>> any of L's records ... i prefer the Big Picture to L's first one though (or at least listen to it a lot more)

― xhuxk mangione (deej), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 05:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

Don't even know Big L. Where should I start?

― Giorgio Marauder (I eat cannibals), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 01:17 (7 hours ago) Bookmark

He only made two records before he died and they are both stunning. (Also both available on spotify if you can use it.)

― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 07:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

I though he made only one album while alive. The Big Picture was produced posthumously, on a couple of tunes you can hear the guest rapper saying "rest in peace, Big L" or something like that.

― Tuomas, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 11:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

Ok yeah sorry. Still both are essential listening.

― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 12:00 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah Road to the Riches is easily as good as Lifestylez, if not better.

― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 16:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

who the fuck is Big L? Kool G all the way

― the taint of Macca is strong (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 16:21 (3 years ago) Permalink

dude shakey u would like big l i bet.

listen these guys are both fucking amazing.

but yeah 4, 5, 6 is amazing and honestly i would maybe put Wanted: Dead or Alive slightly above the more canon Road to the Riches....

also Live and Let Die brought sort of west coast gangsta type influenced stuff to the east coast perspective 2 years before biggie's ready to die.

― misonysportswalkman weighs a ton (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 16:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

"who the fuck is Big L?"

Are you not a DITC fan, Shakey?

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 16:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

I know Showbiz & AG and Diamond D (and Fat Joe obvy) but that's about it

― the taint of Macca is strong (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 16:41 (3 years ago) Permalink

dude honestly this is kinda blowing my mind but yeah dude you NEED lifestylez of da poor and dangerous...it's like total classic DITC type stuff but with a dude that's even more of a great rapper than AG or diamond d or fat joe

― misonysportswalkman weighs a ton (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 16:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

Yeah M@tt is dead on. This is an essential record.

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 16:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

allright lemme do some huntin

― the taint of Macca is strong (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 16:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

shakey you should be excited...oh but to hear "put it on" for the first time again :)

robbin' infants for 10 cents!

― misonysportswalkman weighs a ton (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 16:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

but still... dude has one record to how many of Kool G's... I mean come on he can't be THAT great

― the taint of Macca is strong (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 16:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

actually you should know him from "Represent", he had the first verse on that song on Runaway Slave by Showbiz and AG

― misonysportswalkman weighs a ton (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 16:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

(xpost yeah no doubt i mean honestly i might vote Kool G Rap pretty close to GOAT in my own personal views)

― misonysportswalkman weighs a ton (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 16:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

<A HREF=";>"represent" by showbiz and AG</A>

man that deshawn dude goes hard on this too.....i always love those dudes that only show up in history to do like a handful of fucking dope guest shots and then disappear.

― misonysportswalkman weighs a ton (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 16:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

― misonysportswalkman weighs a ton (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 16:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

"so many homicide raps, my cases went platinum"

― misonysportswalkman weighs a ton (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 16:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

actually you should know him from "Represent", he had the first verse on that song on Runaway Slave by Showbiz and AG

ah, yeah I have that

― the taint of Macca is strong (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 16:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

but yeah 4, 5, 6 is amazing and honestly i would maybe put Wanted: Dead or Alive slightly above the more canon Road to the Riches....

also Live and Let Die brought sort of west coast gangsta type influenced stuff to the east coast perspective 2 years before biggie's ready to die.

I like all 3 a lot. RttR I rate above the followups mainly due to Marley Marl's production. EgoTrip placed him as #1 producer all-time, and I can't really argue that. He seems totally overlooked now.

― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 18:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

horseshit question, Kool G Rap by far.

― thebingoisback, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 18:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

you should change it to Big Daddy Kane vs. Kool G Rap

― thebingoisback, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 18:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

you just made me vote Big L. I hope you're happy.

― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 18:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

― thebingoisback, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 18:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

Kane is an all-time great no question, but I felt Kool G and Big L had a similar style and flow that begged for a poll showdown.

― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 18:24 (3 years ago) Permalink

Pretty unfortunate to be using 'bit he only made 1 good album' against L, it's not like he had an opportunity to do as much as G Rap. I think I only voted against G Rap because the homophobic stuff knocks him down a peg or two in my mind, if it wasn't there he'd be up there with the best.

Would totally vote for him over Kane though (on the basis of their own records - G Rap made albums of classic material, Kane made some classic songs scattered between being a boring lothario. If you factor in who what they ghosted it becomes more of a tough decision.)

― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 18:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

gonna go out on a limb here and say Big L was homophobic, too.

― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 18:33 (3 years ago) Permalink

gonna go out on a limb and say i don't agree with everything most artists think, doesn't mean they have to make cuntish music about it and can't write something else.

― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 18:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

If you factor in who what they ghosted it becomes more of a tough decision.)

lol Pickin Boogers

― the taint of Macca is strong (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 18:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

(^^^^which is a great fuckin song btw, not knockin it)

― the taint of Macca is strong (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 18:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

also this was pretty much the biggest hiphop meme of the decade, so maybe assuming all rappers are homophobes is a lil stoopid.

― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 18:38 (3 years ago) Permalink

(no homo)

― misonysportswalkman weighs a ton (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 18:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

from Bobbito freestyle:

I'm nowhere near trash, step to the rear fast
'fore I have ya queer ass cryin like tear gas

― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 18:46 (3 years ago) Permalink

from Danger Zone:

The microphone is through when this rap legend grab it
Sendin poems to have them faggots diggin hoes like Reverand Swaggart

― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 18:49 (3 years ago) Permalink

And mad niggaz be fronting the life

Popping mad shit, trying to be something they not

Your faggot ass better stay to dancing, don't even look at me

I might break your jaw just for glancing

― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 18:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

I take it back. Damn.

― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 18:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

When someone as "conscious" as Mos Def is vocally anti-gay, not really too stoopid to assume 99.9% of rappers are.

― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 19:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

Only cos Talib dumped him for Hi-Tek.

― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 19:03 (3 years ago) Permalink

i'm quick to put a slug in a fag brain, leaving fags in bodybags with tags on they big toe

but i digress.. never heard of these fellows, are they this rap music i've been hearing so much about?

― merked, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 19:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

'she asked me for a ring & i put one around her whole eye'

― xhuxk mangione (deej), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 21:26 (3 years ago) Permalink

these dudes arent really gentlemen tbh

― xhuxk mangione (deej), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 21:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

talk like sex is still so naaaasty and mean

― misonysportswalkman weighs a ton (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 22:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah big l is a massive sexist & homophobe

― lorax body spray (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 22:22 (3 years ago) Permalink

did he coin the "hard dick & bubblegum" line

― lorax body spray (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 22:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

― System, Tuesday, 6 October 2009 23:01 (3 years ago) Permalink

Nice turnout, can support the results.

― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 23:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

this is so damn raw

― misonysportswalkman weighs a ton (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 6 October 2009 23:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

those results are kind of perfect

― xhuxk mangione (deej), Wednesday, 7 October 2009 00:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

I love both of these peoples. Which is why I didn't vote, and it's been hard, because Big L is the punchline king, but really it's close, but I'd be voting for Kool G Rap. When he's really flowing I feel like I've just learned english.

― Mr.Prologue, Sunday, 25 October 2009 03:51 (3 years ago) Permalink

WTF never even heard of Live and Let Die before (Sir Jinx!)

this is awesome

― Master of the Manly Ballad (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 9 July 2010 18:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

yeah it's amazing. and two years before ready to die it really tries to take an NYC thug style and mix it with slower thicker west coast moves....

the thing got kinda fucked up in the whole cop killer controversy and had a troubled release as a result, real shame

― peel ya frap back (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 9 July 2010 19:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's like Death Certificate Pt 2, the East Coast version

― gordon lishification (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 12 July 2010 21:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

go for your guns is so fierce

― hot dub grime machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 12 July 2010 22:05 (2 years ago) Permalink

the storytelling on this is what makes it - the attention to narrative and detail is really ahead of its time

― gordon lishification (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 12 July 2010 22:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

honestly kool g is the GOAT in a lot of ways

― hot dub grime machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 12 July 2010 22:12 (2 years ago) Permalink

askin who's the best battle rapper me eminem or canibus
it doesn't matter because kool g rap is better than all three of us

― zvookster, Monday, 12 July 2010 22:57 (2 years ago) Permalink

'Things that don't get rapped about anymore'

― zvookster, Monday, 12 July 2010 22:58 (2 years ago) Permalink

another thing that links these two is g rap did that spreading yr rhymes over line endings that L loved to do, "put u in a black hearse/ for that wack verse/ shoulda tried these other cats first"

― zvookster, Monday, 12 July 2010 22:59 (2 years ago) Permalink

i think that "harlem's finest - a freestyle history" thing shld be thought of like it's his third record, even tho my favorite isn't on it iirc

― zvookster, Monday, 12 July 2010 23:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

another thing that links these two is g rap did that spreading yr rhymes over line endings that L loved to do, "put u in a black hearse/ for that wack verse/ shoulda tried these other cats first"

Kool G, L, and Percee P def the masters of this imo

― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 13 July 2010 00:36 (2 years ago) Permalink

it's seems kinda unique/unusual to me that Kool G Rap constantly refers to himself as having an old lady/kids in a lot of his rhymes, like he's the "family man" version of the gangsta. Snoop, Cube, Eazy, Quik, these other early guys are all pretty obviously teenagers, but G Rap always comes off as older/more world-weary. he isn't just some dumb kid hanging out on the corner

― bring me your finest milksteak and a side of jellybeans (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 25 August 2010 23:13 (2 years ago) Permalink

gritty new free EP "offer you can't refuse" on kool g's website:

http://www.koolgrapnow.com/

― pajamagram sam (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 9 February 2011 22:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

another thing that links these two is g rap did that spreading yr rhymes over line endings that L loved to do, "put u in a black hearse/ for that wack verse/ shoulda tried these other cats first"

― zvookster, Monday, July 12, 2010 6:59 PM (1 year ago)

i was listening to both of L's records in the car today and realized he's kiiinda one-note with this flow, i mean he does it so well and he was a great writer but i always felt like he wasn't terribly flexible in that regard, sometimes he could get realll wordy and kinda come off the beat momentarily

― mark (er) s (k3vin k.), Thursday, 18 August 2011 19:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

Giancana Story is some ace shit

― no jesus, no piece (Neanderthal), Friday, 11 November 2011 03:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

wtf is that horn sample in "G On" I know I know it but I can't find it, driving me crazy.

― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:31 (1 year ago) Permalink

this is STILL driving me crazy. it's also on BDP's "Word From Our Sponsor"

― the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 21:31 (10 months ago) Permalink

come on, no one knows this? it's in so many songs!

― the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 21:51 (10 months ago) Permalink

"Word from Our Sponsor" contains samples from First Choice's "Love Thang."

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 21:57 (10 months ago) Permalink

yeah it's not that though. "Love Thang" is just the drum break right...?

― the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 21:58 (10 months ago) Permalink

― am0n, Wednesday, 18 July 2012 22:00 (10 months ago) Permalink

ah it's around the 2 min mark and much faster

dunno how I missed that before thx

― the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 July 2012 22:08 (10 months ago) Permalink