Classic or dud: Answer Records

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What with that son of 'Stan' thing doing the rounds, I've been thinking about answer records. Tacky, gimmicky, cheap they may be, but I've had a soft spot for them ever since that Roxanne Shante business back in the 80s. Greil Marcus even bases a whole theory of pop on the answer record: the best records are those that provoke a vast society-wide public conversation. But what do you think? What are the best answer records? What makes them good?

stevie, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I can't remember the artists, but there's a classic New Orleans soul track called 'You Talk Too Much' which got answered in the only way possible: 'I Don't Talk Too Much'.

Nick, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Was William it was really nothing an answer to Stephen, you're really something?

Madchen, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The other way round. It was called 'Steven, It Was Really Something'.

Nick, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Classic example: Neil Young's sanctimonious 'Southern Man' which inpsired a brilliant fuck-off ditty in the form of Lynyrd Skynyrd 'Sweet Home Alabama'. It's good, not just as a anwser-song which actually uses the name of Young ("Hope Mr.Young realizes Southern Man don't need him around" - something like that), but also because it's a prime example of rock song that swings (see for that also Sabbath's 'Supernaut')

Omar, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Apologies Lucy, you got the name of the Associates track right the first time, misspelling of Morrissey's name and all.

Nick, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

One of the things I like about Chuck Eddy is that the way he writes makes every record seem like an answer record to every other record.

Tom, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

'A Pretty Girl Is Like'.

I still don't entirely understand the question (what is it that's supposed to be 'doing the rounds'?), but that's par for the course.

the pinefox, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Re: "Sweet Home Alabama", Young of course counter-responded by adding that song to his set-list for a while. Said something like "it was better than 'Southern Man' anyway". He's right.

AP, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The lyrics to 'Southern Man' may have been preachy, but those of 'Sweet Home Alabama' are just plain moronic: "Well, I heard Mister Young sing about her.

Well, I heard ole Neil put her down.

Well, I hope Neil Young will remember

A southern man don't need him around anyhow. " Surely this does little to promote the cause of the southern man? It sounds like some kind of petulant playground 'ner ner ne ner ner'. Kind of like those bumper stickers that say things like "THIS IS THE USA - IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, LEAVE"

Nick, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

AP, I must admit that's a very cool move by ol'Neil.

Omar, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i like neil young and all, but 'sweet home alabama' is just unbeatable. pity everything else skynyrd did was shit

gareth, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I too cannot help thinking of "Sweet Home Alabama" as an anthem for the Bush mindset.

Robin Carmody, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Mmm, that's one interpretation, although there's that tricky second part in the song where they dig into Gov. Wallace (I think). Since I'm a bit of a salon socialist myself and love 'Sweet Home Alabama' that would falsify your hypothesis. But then again it could be the work of that demon irony. Or some other distance-effect since I love that song fa real. And Freebird is also excellent, youknowwotimeandude? ;)

Omar, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

'sweet home alabama' does seem to represent the bush mindset but, despite this, i still love the song.

robin, i'm interested. 'sweet home alabama' has american ruralist overtones, and fits that whole anti-federalist thing fairly easy. ie - as you stated, 'the bush mindset'.

you've argued against the easy stereotyping of rural britain. i'd be interested on your take re: america

gareth, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

There's an interview of Skynyrd's Ronnie Van Zant where Robert Christgau asks him where he stands on the whole George Wallace thing, and Van Zant mostly just hems and haws. I think they might have played a benefit for him once, but they're by most accounts not racists themselves.

I like the idea of Skynyrd telling Neil Young to go to hell, but the way they did it was pretty stupid, basically telling anyone who has any criticism of some aspect of the South to go fuck themselves.

Patrick, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I can hardly think of a single good and important 'answer record', apart from the one I mentioned earlier. Does this cause problems for Greil Marcus's theory?

the pinefox, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

common's 'the bitch in yoo' - ('a bitch nigga wit an attitude named cube / step to com wit a feud / now what the fuck I look like dissing a whole coast / you ain't made shit dope since 'amerikka's most').

'eric b. is president was originally supposed to be an answer to some janet jackson tune but was changed around.

remember when fugees dissed jeru on 'zealots' with that line about 'no matter who you damage you're a false prophet'? he tried to come back with some answer to that, but was still really genuinely sad about it.

dimples d did a response to 'sucker mcs' called 'sucker djs' but i've never heard it.

ethan, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Wasn't this mostly done in the 60s? I seem to remember an answer song to Paul Anka's Diana. Can't say I enjoy'em much... I have been overexposed by Northern Soul records during my childhood.

Stevie Nixed, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I think Kitty Wells actually did a string of songs that were answers to other country songs.

Sean Carruthers, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Does anyone remember "Billie Jean Superstar"? It had a rap section in the middle where Billie Jean informs our leather jacketed hero that the kid IS his son and he'd better do something about it. It was very popular in my first-grade class but I've not found a single scrap of evidence that it ever existed.

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"Sucker DJ" was a pop hit in the UK some years after it was recorded; sampled the "I Dream of Jeannie" theme I do believe. And "Superstar", the answer to "Billie Jean", was, I think, a UK top 20 hit in 1983.

Gareth: I don't *just* dislike "Sweet Home Alabama" because of the connotations, I also dislike its tedious boring rock sound, though the lyrics turn it, for me, from ignorable into contemptible. You do, however, make a very good point, to which my answer is that I accept that ethos (Bush is merely the most high-profile person right now associated with it) as being historically the imposed, dominant ethos of the South, but I don't think that *everyone* there subscribes to it, or ever did.

Just as my acknowledgement of the existence of the Countryside Alliance set doesn't detract from my admiration of progressive rural thinkers in the UK, so my acknowledgement of the George Wallace thing doesn't detract from my admiration of those who have opposed it and taken a more liberal approach, especially when it was at its most intense. Actually, one of my objections to the current direction of the Tory party is its move away from the relatively calm, gentle ruralism of old (Major's view of England was obviously ridiculously backward but I never felt threatened by him as I sometimes do by Hague) to an aggressive, defensive approach reminiscent of the American South and epitomised by the Tony Martin thing. You could say, though, they've got more protectionist as the old culture has declined and died; you can always feel more secure when the liberals have not yet made a serious impact (cf Britain in the 50s, or the South before the civil rights movements really got started). But obviously Lynyrd Skynyrd's own politics were nowhere near as far to the right as those that dominated the South until, I guess, the 60s.

Robin Carmody, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

That "Superstar" song was by Lydia Murdock, I think. Big hit over here too. Do sound-alike knock-offs count ? 'Cause Billy Ocean's "Caribbean Queen" = "Billie Jean", Duran's "Union Of The Snake" = Bowie's "Let's Dance", and Shalamar's "Dancing In The Sheets" and Phil Collins' "Sussudio" both = Prince's "1999".

Patrick, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

'goodbye earl' = 'you shook me all night long'

ethan, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

There are millions and millions of rap answer songs, and most of them are absolutely fantastic. The original (and superior) version of Sucker DJs didn't sample I Dream of Jeannie, it was more a of spare early Marley Marl drum-machine production. Anyone at all interested really ought to look for it. One of the Fat Beats and Bra Straps Rhino compilations has it, along with several of the Roxanne answer songs.

The Showstopper, but Supernature aka Salt n Pepa was an answer to Doug E Fresh's The Show, Big Butt by Bobby Jimmy & the Critters was an answer/parody of Big Mouth by Whodini, Ooh! Veronica by the Glamour Girls answered Veronica by the Bad Boys. Seems like Supersonic by JJ Fad was an answer to some Roxanne Shante song, though I may be wrong.

Vicki Anderson's Too Tough for Mr Big Stuff was an answer to Mr Big Stuff, whoever sang that. Now that I think about it, lots of Vicki Anderson's (and other of James Brown's stable of female singers) stuff was answers to James Brown songs.

Chris H., Monday, 7 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Just as you reach down those disastrous UseOtherWordsPlease stand-bys "influenced by" or "appropriated", think ANSWER RECORD instead, and you get yourself a much more dynamic/useful (and thus accurate) Theory of Pop (half Harold Bloom, half Richard Meltzer).

mark s, Tuesday, 8 May 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

seven months pass...
I heard Dragnet for the first time yesterday. Kinky Cinema must be an answer to it.

Kara Fig, Sunday, 23 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Now, is that "son of Stan" thing you mentioned related to Tori Amos, Canibus, or Eminem's mom?

Dan I., Sunday, 23 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

ten months pass...
Does anyone remember "Billie Jean Superstar"? It had a rap section in the middle where Billie Jean informs our leather jacketed hero that the kid IS his son and he'd better do something about it. It was very popular in my first-grade class but I've not found a single scrap of evidence that it ever existed.

This song was on Top of the Pops 2 five minutes ago. I wasn't aware of its existence until now. I was thinking "This song's nicked the music from Billie Jean" before I started listening to the lyrics.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 18:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Since this has been revived: Sean C, the peak of Kitty Wells' answer records is It Wasn't God Who Made Honky Tonk Angels, a reply to Hank Thompson's The Wild Side Of Life.

Most insensitive answer, to Daddy's Home by Shep & the Limelites: Daddy's Going Away Again by the Harps.

I love answer records.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 30 October 2002 21:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

three months pass...
I just got an email from one "gary" that he's been looking for Billie Jean Superstar for YEARS and he finally found it today! lucky bastard! it's by Lydia Murdoch

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 2 February 2003 22:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

two years pass...
I jsut heard Kitty Wells' "My Cold, Cold Heart is Melted Now" today and it's fantastic.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 10 December 2005 22:39 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...

dimples d did a response to 'sucker mcs' called 'sucker djs' but i've never heard it.

this song is awesome, especially the earlier version without the 'i dream of jeannie' samples, just a really heavy 808. did she record anything else? she reminds me a little of sweet tee.

stevie, Monday, 28 May 2007 13:11 (sixteen years ago) link


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