P2K: The Top 500 Tracks of the 2000s: 20-1

Where is option for "I don't think *any* of these songs is 'song of the decade'?"

I mean, I'm not going to wade into some godawful clusterfuck pitchfork thread, but seriously. There's maybe 5 songs I like. But none of them are OMG SONG OF THE DECADE by any stretch.

I mean, there's nothing on that list that even leaps off and says "pick me! you like me best!"

"One More Time" - and it isn't even the best song on Discovery. Oh, and I would like to reiterate my belief that "Hey Ya!" is a good song but terminally overrated, thank you and good night!

Oh, and if you think that a Pitchfork list isn't going to be anything less than a bunch of dorks trying to be hip and covering all bases with no stong opinions, then of course you're going to be disappointed.

Definitely makes the first half of the decade look A LOT stronger than the second half.

(And "no strong opinions" in addition to those "no stong opinions".) (xp)

Where is option for "I don't think *any* of these songs is 'song of the decade'?"

As I said in the original post, "Vote for your favorite song here."

And for the record, I don't think there's a definitive song of the decade anyway. It's all opinion. Thus, vote for your favorite.

Yeah, it's really hard to pick a "definitive song of the decade" in most cases, because there's lots of good music to hear in all of them.

Except the 1990s. "Smells Like Teen Spirit" is usually the de facto answer because it was a decade full of bullshit.

None of them is a favourite, even from the list. It's a general pile of "meh".

And "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was the shittest of all that bullshit!! (xp)

I'd say it's about halfway towards being a definitive list, but the other half is very meh indeed. 'Crazy In Love'.

Really? I could cast a vote for at least nine of these and then kick myself for not choosing one of the other eight.

Oh can we store it a little? There's a lot to love on this list.

xxxxp btw

And "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was the shittest of all that bullshit!! (xp)

zzzzzzzzzzz...

Telling it like it is son!!

voted Crazy in Love

hard to belive 2 (TWO) LCD Soundsystem tracks wound up in top 20. I mean, I like them and all, but ... seriously??

The Rat is the best bile-ridden 7200mph turbo-charged surface-to-air missile of blistering invective of this or any other century.

Split vote, probably. xp

"The Rat" hits way too close to home for me, lyrically. (I used to be fun, but now I'm just boring.)

i think i like 16 of these--all except walkmen, arcade fire, crazy, and hojl

'Heartbeats' is probably my favourite song of the last 10 years

btw, people complaining about this list. Please save it for the Paste list, where it will be much more fun.

i actually like all of these songs - but 'One More Time', '99 Problems' and 'All My Friends' the least - more thru hype tho. guess i'm easy to please after all.

Animal Collective - My Girls - WHATEVS
Annie - Heartbeat - LOVE ANNIE BUT THIS ISN'T EVEN THE BEST SONG ON THE ALBUM
The Arcade Fire - Neighborhood #1 (Tunnels) - OK I GUESS
Beyoncé ft. Jay-Z - Crazy in Love - LIKE THIS BUT PREFER DESTINYS CHILD
Daft Punk - One More Time - LOVE DAFT PUNK BUT THIS ISN'T EVEN THE BEST SONG ON THE ALBUM
M.I.A. ft. Bun B and Rich Boy - Paper Planes (Diplo Remix) - HAVEN'T HEARD THIS REMIX SO CAN'T COMMENT
Missy Elliott - Get Ur Freak On - YEAH, I LIKE THIS
Gnarls Barkley - Crazy - CAN'T REMEMBER HOW IT GOES
Hercules and Love Affair - Blind - FEH FEH A SKEEVE TO YOU
Jay-Z - 99 Problems - CAN'T REMEMBER HOW IT GOES
R. Kelly - Ignition (Remix) - CAN'T REMEMBER HOW IT GOES
The Knife - Heartbeats - YEAH I LIKE THIS
LCD Soundsystem - All My Friends - WHATEVS
LCD Soundsystem - Losing My Edge - BARF
Outkast - B.O.B. - MEH
Outkast - Hey Ya! - OK I GUESS
Radiohead - Idioteque - YEAH I LIKE THIS
The Rapture - House of Jealous Lovers - CAN'T REMEMBER HOW IT GOES
The Walkmen - The Rat - MEH
Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Maps - BARF

So it's Get Your Freak On, Heartbeats or Idioteque.

Went with Heartbeats

Hey, remember when ILM was supposed to be a bastion of intelligent music criticism?

The lacklustre quality of my reactions to the songs is a reflection of the choices on offer.

I guess I need to listen to Get Yr Freak On again.

Of the 3 I like, I've listened to Heartbeats most recently and consistently. But that could just be access.

For 4 weeks in 2000? xp

GYFO was great at the time, but now it sounds really dated to me.

Voted "Heartbeat. Partly because most of the rest are horrible.

Outkast - B.O.B. - MEH

struggling to think of a less 'meh' record

GYFO was great at the time, but now it sounds really dated to me.

yeah...we were talking about this on, um, some hip-hop thread i can't remember recently. not "dated" as such, but...at the time it felt like an automatic era-defining choice, now it seems more like...a one-off, and very much of its time. i go back to missy's first two albums a lot more than to 'get ur freak on'.

But Era-Defining Singles sound dated by their very nature -- that's the whole point of being era-defining.

i think "anomalous" might be the word i use: it doesn't feel as though it's representative of either that period of music, or of missy herself.

or maybe: i don't go back to it half as much as i thought i would.

it is probably the best song on this list (tho), sigh.

it's representative of the Indian vibe trend in rap around that time

oh obvs i don't like anco either, so i like 15 of 20.

Voted All My Friends, not objectively but because of my age and it's relevancy to the 2000s as I experienced them.

Animal Collective - My Girls
*can't remember, is it on the new one?
Annie - Heartbeat
*sorta catchy and sweet
The Arcade Fire - Neighborhood #1 (Tunnels)
*OK
Beyoncé ft. Jay-Z - Crazy in Love
*is a nice loop, but a boring song.
Daft Punk - One More Time
*could say the same about this, but liking it anyway
M.I.A. ft. Bun B and Rich Boy - Paper Planes (Diplo Remix)
*never heard this, still have to see that movie
Missy Elliott - Get Ur Freak On
*great track, i could see this as track of the decade
Gnarls Barkley - Crazy
*nice hit, in a novelty sort of way
Hercules and Love Affair - Blind
*never heard it
Jay-Z - 99 Problems
*never heard it
R. Kelly - Ignition (Remix)
*never heard it, will have to download i am curious after that description.
The Knife - Heartbeats
*overrated, hate that voice
LCD Soundsystem - All My Friends
*never heard it
LCD Soundsystem - Losing My Edge
*^^
Outkast - B.O.B.
*^^
Outkast - Hey Ya!
*heard it way too many times, but yes this seems like a true track of the decade.
Radiohead - Idioteque
*not nearly as good as that Kid a album opener
The Rapture - House of Jealous Lovers
*this was a short lived hype right?
The Walkmen - The Rat
*never heard it
Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Maps
^^

voting Missy.

Is Crazy the only song on this list with strings on it? The lack of strings in the complete 500 seems pervasive.

Also, you know, go fuck yourself, to those unfamiliar with the majority of these songs. Curious minds, etc.

listening to that Ignition song right now, it's sweet. is this actually on a R Kelly album? or just a mixtape thing that sort of accidently became a big thing.

Also, you know, go fuck yourself, to those unfamiliar with the majority of these songs. Curious minds, etc.

― Popture, vrijdag 21 augustus 2009 12:49 (1 minute ago) Bookmark

Lol popism

listening to that Ignition song right now, it's sweet. is this actually on a R Kelly album? or just a mixtape thing that sort of accidently became a big thing.

It's on Chocolate Factory.

ok cool thx :)

vrijdag 21 augustus 2009

this looks way better than the English, must change my settings.

I like almost all of these songs (not fussed re: The Rat, House of Jealous Lovers, and Blind) but I'm going to go for Heartbeats.

"Ignition (Remix)" without a doubt. However, if "Ghetto Musick" had been on here it would be tough. The only thing Outkast did that built on "B.O.B.", IMO.

the only ones i'd ever really want to hear again are the Annie and R.Kelly ones.

voted ignition (remix)

heartbreaking, I know

i like how you're being very method w/ your display name right now

R. Kelly frustrates me a lot because I think he's a great singer but the vast majority of his songs are really too stupid for me to enjoy. The ones where I can get past that and just enjoy the performance are "Down Low", "Fiesta (Remix)", "Thoia Thong" and "Step In The Name Of Love"; the others are either too far down the "caveman sexuality" line ("Bump & Grind", "Your Body's Callin'", "You Remind Me of Something") or too sacchrinely aspirational ("I Believe I Can Fly", "City of Gotham", "World's Greatest") for me to connect with them.

I think if he was coming at this from any direction but smooth R&B balladeer/crooner, I could deal with him. As it stands, I get too distracted by how incredibly stupid and ignorant I find him; I also have further baggage tied into how he represents a particular type of unknowing buffoon that I think is incredibly damaging to the public image of black people but, you know, that's my issue (lol Aaron MacGruder disciple).

i don't disagree with much of what you said but it is funny what side "thoia thoing" ended up on in your dichotomy

I was gonna say

not really sure where "Ignition (Remix)" runs afowl of the problems you outlined with him either

Yeah I can't explain "Thoia Thong" at all, I just dig that song.

"Ignition (Remix)" is just really tepid and boring to me in a manner that makes me overreact wildly. It really just pushes my "HATE THIS" button and there's no real rational reason for it; it might be something hidden in the frequency of the synth patch or the way the syncopation works, I really don't know. I just know it's almost flat-out anathema to me.

Yeah, I can see that. I tend to really hate popular songs based on kind of random musical/sonic aspects like the tempo or the drum sound more than something, I dunno, lyrical or thematic or ideological.

I really hate Ying Yang Twins too, but the beat behind "The Whisper Song" pretty much panders to a huge chunk of what I look for in music. R. Kelly is hardly ever doing that type of pandering and I usually end up getting mad that I'm listening to a dude with a junior-high education who dodged going to jail for pissing on a minor and that people are holding him up as something to aspire to.

sacchrinely aspiring to be like him?

aspiring to be like his saccharine would be more accurate

his stupidity keeps me from liking alot of r kelly's work, but ignition i don't find stupid at all. lyrically ok it's not brilliant, but the delivery is definitely among his less moronic. it's graceful.

you know what was robbed and should have been on this list, is Kanye's "Pinocchio Story"

this is not the most profound bit of music criticism I'll ever venture, but surely the saving grace of "Thoia Thoing" is that it has a bunch of fun oi-oi-oing sounds in it

I mean, I'm trying to find the exception to the rule that songs with "OING" in them are sorta hard to hate

Well, yeah!

(see also: "Poing" by Rotterdam Termination Source)

hahahaha beat me to it

I just hope Oingo Boingo does not count in this rule

dont understand irrational 'ignition remix' hate in this thread. song is incredible

it's irrational hate! youre not supposed to understand it.

haha love the logic zing

I can't find the words to explain how my feelings about the following dovetail with what Dan was saying above, but umm it seems like a lot of appreciation of Kelly (especially outside the pop world) is based on his being slightly ridiculous or far-out or functioning almost as a boneheaded parody of himself (e.g. I think sometimes he's an r&b favorite of people who find r&b silly because he's such a caricature of precisely the silliest stuff) -- this gets in the way of my liking some of his stuff, though for some reason I don't mind his inspirational for-the-kids tunes, I seem to remember "Thoia Thoing" being low on R-Kelly-ism and high on a good beat and oingy noises, and part of why I'm cool with "Ignition" is that it seemed like this moment where he successfully implicated the entire world in his song instead of seeming ridiculous -- you know, like most people want to drink and have fun on weekends, so he seems pretty OTM and reasonable on that one.

I guess I shouldn't focus on ridiculousness cuz that's not a bad thing, but his particular ridiculousness is, as mentioned, pretty buffoonish and dumb sometimes

nabisco per usual

(except about "Thoia Thoing", which drives me up the wall)

Yeah -- at his core I consider R. to be a brilliant and prolific at his craft, while also crude and not terribly booksmart in ways that come across in his music and public persona. That's not at all an uncommon combination of traits in popular music, but obviously race and some other factors unique to R. Kelly make who appreciates his music and why a really loaded topic.

^^sort of the flip side of what you said above, some dude, about your own likes/dislikes having more to do with sonic characteristics. With a lot of popular music, rap in particular, there seems to be more of a judgement based at least partly on what a track represents, rather than purely how it sounds. I think there is something very gracious and universal about "ignition (remix)" that make it a great track, especially if you ignore all of the stuff surrounding his real-life persona.

I think "Ignition (Remix)" is massively charming in part because of its sense of levity; I can see why this very thing might annoy people who think "omg best song ever" affairs should be more of an unmistakable big event. Of course R Kelly does intensity too but it's mostly kinda scary when he does.

well just to be clear, I'm not saying I'm put off him because I think other people are liking him the wrong way, or something -- it's just that if you generally prefer your music not-too-cartoonish, and want your r&b to be sharp, and aren't super-inclined to marvel or gawk or be charmed by the (admittedly compelling) ridiculousness of him, it's just gonna seem a little dumb no matter what other people think. some of that stuff requires shrugging and giving in to the goofiness and dumbness. which can be fine. (not "ignition," though, I don't think.)

Yeah. But he really has a lot of songs that have a minimum of funny grammar or crazy sex metaphors and are just good R&B.

I mean, I didn't want to get too Lex-y on any of these threads about the PF list, but really it does annoy me greatly that R. Kelly has one token entry on this list when people like Jay-Z or the Neptunes, who I think he was either on par with or very close to in terms of making great radio hits this decade, got more like 10 entries.

IT JUST OCCURRED TO ME THAT THERE IS NO NELLY IN THEIR LIST

FUCK THAT

there's none in mine either, hmm

FUCK YOU TOO

*shakes fist*

ok that was hysterical (Nelly'd be on mine though so don't yell at me)

either too far down the "caveman sexuality" line ("Bump & Grind", "Your Body's Callin'", "You Remind Me of Something") or too sacchrinely aspirational ("I Believe I Can Fly", "City of Gotham", "World's Greatest") for me to connect

http://www.passionateblogger.com/pictures/hit-the-nail-on-the-head-200x200.jpg

IT JUST OCCURRED TO ME THAT THERE IS NO NELLY IN THEIR LIST

Odd, too, considering that, as I pointed out in the main thread, "Hot in Herre" was like their #29 of the decade's first half.

fuck i hate to have to agree with masonic boom but yeah all of these songs are shite

every one of em, eh?

sorry i was joking they are all amazing

they are all the same song pretty much, so if u hate/love one ditto for the rest

it seems like a lot of appreciation of Kelly (especially outside the pop world) is based on his being slightly ridiculous or far-out or functioning almost as a boneheaded parody of himself (e.g. I think sometimes he's an r&b favorite of people who find r&b silly because he's such a caricature of precisely the silliest stuff)

^^absolutely true, something i find pretty problematic and annoying, but this applies more to trapped in the closet than "ignition"

"ride wit me" and "country grammar" >>>>>>> "hot in herre"

yeah "country grammar" is pretty easily the best song of nelly's career imo, and belongs in any top whatever list of anything

"hot in herre" > "e.i." > "country grammar" > "ride wit me" = "batter up" > any top whatever list of anything.

i'm weird i guess but i put "dilemma" over most of those too, though i like most of nelly's early shit

I leave ILM for a week and the challops brigade descend on Ignition? Too far ILM, it's like you're clowning yourselves to prove that nobody is safe from your contrarianism. This song is kindof above criticism fyi.

and yeah, Ride wit me is Nelly's best single

dont understand irrational 'oingo boingo' hate in this thread. elfman is incredible