I know lots of people like that, and most of you do too, I'd wager My brother, bless his P4k-ed heart, shows my last.fm page to his friends for lols. He tells me that I have the most embarrassing taste of anyone he knows. That's probably true, but it shouldn't be simply because I listen to mainstream r&b and country.
― afternoon "delight" (Euler), Saturday, 22 August 2009 20:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
Say what you want about her, but Beyonce's a star, not an artist.
― post-contrarian meta-challop 2009 (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 22 August 2009 20:31 (1 year ago) Permalink
Beyonce's not even a natural born citizen.
― afternoon "delight" (Euler), Saturday, 22 August 2009 20:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
She likes them boys up top from the BK iirc
― in excelsis ayo (roxymuzak), Saturday, 22 August 2009 20:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
Wtf, no early Incubus?Posted by: greg3ert at 08/21/09 11:23 PM | ReplyScore = -1
― Reading his posts is like watching The Ring (kshighway), Saturday, 22 August 2009 21:11 (1 year ago) Permalink
the top albums better have more tvotr .. anyhow.. like it makes a difference what pitchfork thinks.. but some how they justify my opinions. but they are like a footnote in musicPosted by: Jay profile link at 08/22/09 3:02 PM | ReplyScore = -2 Vote up Vote downJay
baaaaa.Posted by: Jay profile link at 08/22/09 3:05 PM | ReplyScore = -2
― Reading his posts is like watching The Ring (kshighway), Saturday, 22 August 2009 21:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
ur doin it rong
― ash ra - i love temple (k3vin k.), Saturday, 22 August 2009 21:34 (1 year ago) Permalink
I am familiar with 211 out of 500 songs for a score of 42.20% cool.
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 23 August 2009 01:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
If I only listened to songs by or featuring T.I., I would be 43.50% cool.
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 23 August 2009 01:54 (1 year ago) Permalink
In a weird way it does kinda matter what pitchfork thinks since it's the most popular music review website and more than a few brainless people probably use it often for recommendations without searching for an alternative.
― billstevejim, Sunday, 23 August 2009 02:28 (1 year ago) Permalink
Skinny Love at 179 is a travesty.Posted by: bob cajun at 08/22/09 6:00 PM | ReplyScore = 0
Oh yes. It's at least 322 places too high on the list...
― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Sunday, 23 August 2009 02:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
burn!!!!!!!!!!
― in excelsis ayo (roxymuzak), Sunday, 23 August 2009 02:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
the bon iver record is very nice but skinny love is a bizarre choice for 'best song' by so many publications
― Jamie_ATP, Sunday, 23 August 2009 10:25 (1 year ago) Permalink
How the hell did Rachel Stevens get in there? I mean, Some Girls was great but I never expected it to place on a Pitchfork list, even one with Tom E voting in it.
It also placed in the top half of our 2004 list. If "Sweet Dreams" or "I Said Never Again" didn't place the year before and after, they came very close.
― scottpl, Sunday, 23 August 2009 13:38 (1 year ago) Permalink
not quite sure what is so brainless about that. if they're satisfied with music they've found through pitchfork and haven't felt the need to seek out an alternative well what's wrong with that? i agree that they make a sizable impact on the music industry though, at the hmv in montreal they fill two entire walls every time something gets best new music'd.
― samosa gibreel, Sunday, 23 August 2009 15:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
I hadn't looked at this list yet so I just went to the site and opened a few of them in browser windows. First one I looked at had Kelly Clarkson in it.
Fuck it, I'm not reading any of this shit.
― Adam Bruneau, Sunday, 23 August 2009 17:20 (1 year ago) Permalink
It makes me think of all the movie reviewers that talk about how Michael Bay's movies are actually concept art rather than dumbed-down mainstream crap.
― Adam Bruneau, Sunday, 23 August 2009 18:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
Well, I agree that Since You Been Gone is overrated. It is a good song, tho. And the P2k song list is good, too. Lots of new stuff I somehow overlooked (which is, to me, usually the best part of these lists).
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 23 August 2009 18:41 (1 year ago) Permalink
Yeah, their list is pretty good if you like mainstream rap and hip hop. Nice to know our "indie" media outlets have sold out and become so mainstream. Yet, their attitude about any rock, mainstream or indie, is still completely pretentious and cutthroat. Wake up you fucking idiots! You are letting rock music die! Or, at least judge rap on the same cutthroat, pretentious level. Seriously, Kelly Clarkson's "Since U Been Gone" in the top 100? This list is a fucking joke.
― afternoon "delight" (Euler), Sunday, 23 August 2009 18:42 (1 year ago) Permalink
Pretentious AND cutthroat! Who woulda thunk it?
― post-contrarian meta-challop 2009 (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 23 August 2009 18:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
Euler, what do you mean that Pitchfork's "attitude about any rock, mainstream or indie, is still completely pretentious and cutthroat"? What egregious omissions or inclusions are you referring to?
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 23 August 2009 18:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
Euler's post is copy and pasted from stereogum, who i'm sure you're familiar with. If not, suffice it to say they have the dumbest/worst readership/commentors on the internet. I can't tell if adam's post is c&p'd from there too or just belongs there
― ash ra - i love temple (k3vin k.), Sunday, 23 August 2009 18:52 (1 year ago) Permalink
Oh. I stopped reading Stereogum about a year ago.
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 23 August 2009 18:53 (1 year ago) Permalink
Not necessarily a reflection on the blog. Just too much to read/do and not enough time to devote.
Plus, blogs are so 2006.
Hmm..."who I'm sure you're familiar with" seemed to come off unnecessarily condescending. Not what I meant at all; I used to read it back in the day too, now just mostly for the comments. Sry about that
― ash ra - i love temple (k3vin k.), Sunday, 23 August 2009 18:56 (1 year ago) Permalink
just clowning around, Daniel, sorry!
― afternoon "delight" (Euler), Sunday, 23 August 2009 18:57 (1 year ago) Permalink
No worries! I'm going to read the Stereogum comments now. They sound interesting. BRB.
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 23 August 2009 18:59 (1 year ago) Permalink
Stereogum is such a piece of shit.
― kshighway, Sunday, 23 August 2009 19:23 (1 year ago) Permalink
You know your list is fucked up when OutKast and LCD Soundsystem claim two spots in the top 20 songs of the decade. Reading Pitchfork has become like hate-sex._______________________________________we ARE talking about Pitchfork here. They don't like post-rock, it's too brainy for them. Though, they did include EiTS's First Breath After Coma and GY!BE's Storm_______________________________________You are exactly right. But, they have to make sure they are "hip", like every other fucking loser commenting on how good this list is. It is acceptably cool to like mainstream rap and hip hop right now in indie circles, so hence, no country and a top 20 that looks like it could have came from Vibe magazine._______________________________________This list is shit. Pitchfork, you are officially dead to me!
_______________________________________
we ARE talking about Pitchfork here. They don't like post-rock, it's too brainy for them. Though, they did include EiTS's First Breath After Coma and GY!BE's Storm
You are exactly right. But, they have to make sure they are "hip", like every other fucking loser commenting on how good this list is. It is acceptably cool to like mainstream rap and hip hop right now in indie circles, so hence, no country and a top 20 that looks like it could have came from Vibe magazine.
This list is shit. Pitchfork, you are officially dead to me!
Gold.
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 23 August 2009 19:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
a+
― salvador dollywood (Curt1s Stephens), Sunday, 23 August 2009 19:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
honestly, how could you ignore the entire BRIGHT EYES phenomena that occurred early to mid decade?
It hasn't been easy, trust me.
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 23 August 2009 19:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
The Bright Eyes phenomenon, yes. Overpowering.
― Daniel, Esq., Sunday, 23 August 2009 19:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
Reading Pitchfork has become like hate-sex.
Delete life.
― kshighway, Sunday, 23 August 2009 20:12 (1 year ago) Permalink
fuck missy elliot and that shit songPosted by: d@ve at 08/22/09 6:26 PM | ReplyScore = -1
― kshighway, Sunday, 23 August 2009 20:15 (1 year ago) Permalink
pitchfork is nothing more than online journalism, as evidenced by the quality of its writers, its pervasive amount of lists and the choices that go into those lists. it should never claim to be more than that.Posted by: mork at 08/22/09 5:32 PM | ReplyScore = 0
p4k = online journalism!!
These people can barely write.
how can anyone take this list seriously? jimmy eat world's "the middle" in the top 200 and only one pipettes song made the cut?!?!?!?!?!?!
the biggest crime, however, was the complete lack of songs from zwan.
― Bastards of Young Dro, Sunday, 23 August 2009 20:24 (1 year ago) Permalink
Tegan and Sara, Metric, The Kills, Holly Miranda, The Jealous Girlfriends, Lykke Li, Alexisonfire, City and Colour, La Roux??Where's all this good music?
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 23 August 2009 20:27 (1 year ago) Permalink
No Zwan, no credibility. Honestly.
― kshighway, Sunday, 23 August 2009 20:29 (1 year ago) Permalink
what's the 'online journalism' guy even trying to say?
― Akon/Family (Merdeyeux), Sunday, 23 August 2009 20:33 (1 year ago) Permalink
Apparently "online journalism" is a pejorative! All online publications have bad writing and pointless lists!
― kshighway, Sunday, 23 August 2009 20:36 (1 year ago) Permalink
kshighway it's gonna be okay i swear
everytime i click the "see all messages" thing i end up staying on this thread just so i can hear the will smith song to the end.
― cheddar burress (M@tt He1ges0n), Sunday, 23 August 2009 20:39 (1 year ago) Permalink
I hope so, Matt. I hope so.
― kshighway, Sunday, 23 August 2009 20:47 (1 year ago) Permalink
Haven't read it yet, but Eric Harvey's piece, "The Social History of the MP3," is up.
http://pitchfork.com/features/articles/7689-the-social-history-of-the-mp3/
― kshighway, Monday, 24 August 2009 12:44 (1 year ago) Permalink
And here's one last Stereogum comment on the P2k tracks list:
I'm sorry. This list is ridiculous. And as someone that was actually reading Pitchfork waaaay back in 1996, I think their "we're-gonna-have-it-both-ways-just-to-show-you-we're-NOT-elitists" crap is sadly transparent.... Does anyone REALLY think the almost entirely image-driven R&B / hip-pop of this decade DESERVES the amount of mannered scrutiny and exaltation they give it??? Alongside the truly brilliant and moving music that's been made this decade?? A far more interesting list would've been the couple-hundred songs that will still matter 10 years from now.......Posted by: Jason at 08/23/09 10:42 PM | ReplyScore = 0
― kshighway, Monday, 24 August 2009 12:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
It's true, that song is bewitching.
― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 24 August 2009 12:50 (1 year ago) Permalink
I just finished reading Harvey's piece, and it blew me away. So, so good.
Quotes that stood out.
The insane:
By 2003, things had risen to the level that Orrin Hatch was grilling technology firms at Senate Judiciary Committee hearings about the possibility of "warning" copyright infringers, and then-- I'm not making this up-- destroying their computers. "If that's the only way," Hatch said, "then I'm all for destroying their machines. If you have a few hundred thousand of those, I think people would realize the seriousness of their actions."
― kshighway, Monday, 24 August 2009 13:43 (1 year ago) Permalink
So I'm not sad that print magazines, or newspapers, are dying; I'm sad that music criticism and journalism are endangered. I'm sad that publishers, advertisers, and corporate owners have lagged behind so incredibly long, holding onto an outdated critical model out of blind faith, leaving so many talented writers in the lurch. People expressing their musical taste to an eager audience in the offtime of their day jobs is one thing, and by all accounts a very good thing. But alongside these folks, we desperately need people to get paid to listen, discuss, contextualize, and critique music on a full-time basis. Until someone figures out how to make this work, a music culture will continue to take a significant hit. Print is dead: long live criticism.
He doesn't really make an argument as to WHY we need paid critics. WHY isn't it good enough that people are writing "in the offtime of their day jobs"? I agree with him affectively--it *feels* like people should be paid to be fulltime critics. But I don't see who is going to be paying them going forward.
Maybe that's his point.
― kshighway, Monday, 24 August 2009 13:46 (1 year ago) Permalink
Glad the "Stereogum comments are dumb" derailment is over.
― 3 mods 1 banhammer (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 24 August 2009 13:49 (1 year ago) Permalink
WHY isn't it good enough that people are writing "in the offtime of their day jobs"?
Presumably because these people, while they may have good taste or be able to write decently, don't always have the practice, experience, and knowledge that full-time music critics do as a matter of course.
― jaymc, Monday, 24 August 2009 13:58 (1 year ago) Permalink
― 3 mods 1 banhammer (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, August 24, 2009 9:49 AM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
seriously, shit is not that hilarious
― some dude, Monday, 24 August 2009 14:00 (1 year ago) Permalink