Worst "genre" created by a journalist part 4534547668686 : 'Hypnagogic Pop' by David Keenan.

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am content to no longer subscribe to this magazine, for a number of reasons

mark cl, Monday, 20 July 2009 19:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

i do thumb through my back issues on occasion tho

mark cl, Monday, 20 July 2009 19:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

Emeralds are awesome, Pocahaunted suck. There are way more bands both of these bands sound like other than each other.

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Monday, 20 July 2009 19:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

solar bridge = top drawer lo-fi psych-drone

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Monday, 20 July 2009 19:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

i just signed a deal to write a 33 1/3 book about hypnagogic pop....it's gonna basically be a first person account of me surfing the internet today....some ILXORS will be making cameo appearances! : )

I'm a Matt...I'm a DC (M@tt He1ges0n), Monday, 20 July 2009 20:02 (5 years ago) Permalink

i'm trying to think of something snappy and contrarian

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Monday, 20 July 2009 20:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

sorry to derail, but ilx poster: "i know, right?": did you used to post under a different name? i think i'm guilty of having you mixed up with someone else for a very, very long time

thomp, Monday, 20 July 2009 20:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

no i've pretty much always been me iirc ; )

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

The last time i got this annoyed by the wire was when they used Vladislav Delay instead of Luomo which I figured is because Luomo is a more famous handle.

he uses difft handles for difft releases tho, i assume the wire just used whatever he was using at the time

lex pretend, Monday, 20 July 2009 21:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

I can't help thinking that the phrase 'hypnagogic pop' would be a better description of MBV etc than it is of Pocahaunted et al. And if it fits to any act these days, I reckon it'd be Grouper.

Joerg Hi Dere (NickB), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

(oh okay thanks) (xposts)

thomp, Monday, 20 July 2009 21:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

this thread is now #3 on google for Hypnagogic Pop
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=hypnagogic+pop&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

the wire in playing fast and loose with the definition of "pop" shocker

indeed it may be a few dozen Skaters and Pocahaunted albums since I heard anything by them, but I really have no idea what they have to do with 'pop'.

Akon/Family (Merdeyeux), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

"The last time i got this annoyed by the wire was when they used Vladislav Delay instead of Luomo which I figured is because Luomo is a more famous handle.

he uses difft handles for difft releases tho, i assume the wire just used whatever he was using at the time"

Also I'm not sure this would necessarily be true for readers of the Wire anyway.

He was only 21 years old when he 16 (Alex in SF), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

i found the pdf of the hypnagogic pop on another board
hxxp://www.mediafire.com/?i0kyoexginm

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

reminds me of when the wire were really into Cocorosie

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

so you can read it all to your hearts content
xp

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

^ Kitchens of Distinction claiming the h-word the term for shoegaze

Joerg Hi Dere (NickB), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

didnt the cure do it first?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:41 (5 years ago) Permalink

i don't get why they don't just throw it in some hauntology bracket

❊❁❄❆❇❃✴❈plaxico❈✴❃❇❆❄❁❊ (I know, right?), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

giving it it's own thread where people start discussing it essentially legitimizes it, so good work herms

nutzhak perlman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:52 (5 years ago) Permalink

i just signed a deal to write a 33 1/3 book about hypnagogic pop....it's gonna basically be a first person account of me surfing the internet today....some ILXORS will be making cameo appearances! : )

― I'm a Matt...I'm a DC (M@tt He1ges0n), Monday, July 20, 2009 4:02 PM (1 hour ago)

i'll be cool, sounds like a bit of fun

k3vin k., Monday, 20 July 2009 21:57 (5 years ago) Permalink

^^^will be cool

stop envisioning Kristin Scott Thomas with a yeast infection (country matters), Monday, 20 July 2009 21:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

i found the pdf of the hypnagogic pop on another board

That's not a pdf, it's a bunch of jpegs, and page 2 of the article appears to be missing.

Until I read the full article I won't know for sure, but there may be a connection of some kind with the Hypnagogue EP by former Keenan faves Current 93.

anagram, Monday, 20 July 2009 22:03 (5 years ago) Permalink

i think originally the term for bands like the skaters and pocohaunted was 'moan-wave'. srsly.

Francis, Monday, 20 July 2009 22:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

yep.

straight from da seward (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 20 July 2009 22:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

i would not call emeralds 'moan-wave,' they're of the 'new age wave.' ;) and theyre a relatively new band, compared to the skaters anyways..

Francis, Monday, 20 July 2009 22:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

ahh sorry, it said on that message board it was a PDF. I didnt d/l it as i have the magazine.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 20 July 2009 22:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

1) The day I give even half a toss about anything D Keenan says about music is ... well, the day someone invents a time machine and punts me back to 1996.

1.5) An erstwhile ILXor who might not care to be named here once amused the shit out of me with a hastily improvised and astonishingly vitriolic Keenan flipbook.

2) That Emeralds album remains one of the best things I've heard this year, though.

a tiny, faltering megaphone (grimly fiendish), Monday, 20 July 2009 22:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

so weird, Emeralds used to suck so much upon inception, now i'm kind of into it.

also, Skaters as 'moan-wave' is fucking ridiculous. Skaters are fucking DMT caveman music.

gonna be a long hot summer for the MS Word paperclip (the table is the table), Monday, 20 July 2009 22:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

the wire - 12 mags in a row where i like about 5% of the writing. i won't be re-subscribing (after 10 years).

nonightsweats, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 06:19 (5 years ago) Permalink

I kind of think that 'to wind people up' is a pretty good reason to come up with spurious genre names at this point in time

Pissed Jenas (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 07:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

Also a quick skim of this article made it seem pretty interesting and made me want to hear more Skaters stuff especially... I have a number of problems with David Keenan but I don't blanket hate everything he does or says

Pissed Jenas (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 07:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

^^^otm

skaters rule and deserved the whole six pages to themselves, really

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 08:06 (5 years ago) Permalink

I do have one of James Ferraro's tapes he did as Lamborghini Crystal and I guess the whole aesthetic of that project is like taking old corny 80s synth-rock and straight-to-VHS movie soundtracks as the basis, then makng them all twisted and confusing and sounding like it's been passed down to an nth-generation cassette... I mean the validity of this (and what Ariel Pink does which is sort of similar) is up for debate perhaps but the more I think about it 'hypnagogic pop' is actually a pretty cool way of describing it IMO

Pissed Jenas (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 08:46 (5 years ago) Permalink

so er how about that british visionary jazz article eh?

thomp, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 10:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

James Ferraro deserves the whole six pages. Spencer just isn't as good. Lamborghini Crystal, 90210, ED FLEX are SO MUCH BETTER THAN ANYTHING ELSE DISCUSSED IN THIS ARTICLE.

Obvi this is a valid form. It's the transmogrification of the stuff of life. The roadside temple is MEMORY THEATER. If you take your fetish past all limits you're left with the CRYSTAL BALL. It's therapy as neuromancy.

A, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 10:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

i would not call emeralds 'moan-wave,' they're of the 'new age wave.'

yeah, the processed pan flute is taking the place of the vocals through delay pedal, which is one of the defining characteristics of moan-wave.

actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 10:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

I had vaguely considered hypnagogia wrt, say, Stars of the Lid, Windy and Carl, maybe Landing or Grouper (though yep, Emeralds works too), and had some never-to-be-realised delusions of a tape label called something hypnagogic, so I don't know whether to be pleased or disappointed if this is now a Thing. Though D. Keenan irritates me, so the latter beckons, but I haven't read the article yet, here goes...

a passing spacecadet, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 11:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

Had a quick skim of this one: sounded like Merzbowing 80s hits. DK seemed to spend quite a lot of time talking about 80s pop as this bloated thing while evade the reason this seemed to be picked up in the first place: that it was GOOD MUSIC FULL STOP.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 11:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

(xpostish) Is "moanwave" the name for every drone/noise act that shoves the microphone up close and cups it and goes "wauhhhheerrrrrrrrr-rrrr-rrr" into it over some polite bowing and clattering of Tibetan bowls and little tinkly bells? I am all for that having a genre of its own so I can avoid it more easily

(PS I dig some of this stuff but there's a lot of it about and it gets tired pretty quickly - OK, I like drone/psych/noise/whatever better when harmonically rich and not just sparse creepy noises, trouble is telling which is which before paying for yr limited edition $15 C20 or 3" CD-R in packaging hand-made from bracken and 1970s toilet paper)

a passing spacecadet, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 11:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

haha has anyone in this thread managed to actually read & not skim the whole article yet?

thomp, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 12:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

Is "moanwave" the name for every drone/noise act that shoves the microphone up close and cups it and goes "wauhhhheerrrrrrrrr-rrrr-rrr" into it over some polite bowing and clattering of Tibetan bowls and little tinkly bells?

microphone technique is correct. Could be tinkly bells, bowls and bowing action ... could be guitar drone ... could be pretty much anything that is a) repetitive and b) demonstrative of minimal technical aptitude on an instrument

actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 12:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

xp thomp - not me ... my "power-skim" left me with the impression that it is new age hippy drone mixed with melodic 80s fluff.

actually a decent question y'all fucked up with ironic bullshit answer (sarahel), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 12:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah the gamelany stuff is pretty much just not as good (except Pacific Rat Temple maybe?). Most of James Ferraro's work is not like that though.

A, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 12:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

remember "subterranean metal"?

straight from da seward (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 12:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

no

thomp, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 12:42 (5 years ago) Permalink

protip: use the contextual clues of this thread to figure out what it was!

straight from da seward (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 12:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

Sunn 0))

De Mysteriis Dom Passantino (jim), Tuesday, 21 July 2009 12:44 (5 years ago) Permalink

if u google it savage pencil seems to implicitly accept "yes, that was just a made-up label for the sake of getting wire readers to pay attention". which it is nice, that he admits it.

thomp, Tuesday, 21 July 2009 12:47 (5 years ago) Permalink

I think the citations of individual works that had influence on the sound of these artists are interesting: Tom Tom Club, Marc Hunter's "Big City Talk", Don Henley's "Boys Of Summer", "Running Up That Hill", The Ghostbuster Soundtrack, new age music.

I also love the non-musical ingluences that James Ferraro and Spencer Clark list: Ghostbusters, surf movies, Beverly Hills 90210, Russian Theosophist PD Ouspensky, And the cultural totems and roadside temples: Atlantis, dolphins, KFC, Hard Rock Cafes, TV dinners, strip clubs, gyms, and celebrities.

Dan S, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 04:25 (5 years ago) Permalink

The Wire are falling asleep with all this hypnagogic pop; they should wake up and get into some hypnopompic pop.

moley, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 05:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

it's Skaters first and foremost, as well as the works of the individual works of Ferraro and Clark (Lamborghini Crystal, Edward Flex, Black Joker, Monopoly Child Star Searchers, Vodka Soap). Also, along with Ariel Pink, Pocohaunted, and Emeralds, there's Zola Jesus, Gary War, Sore Eros, The Super Vacations, Infinity Window, Oneohtrix Point Never, Orphan Fairytale, Dolphins Into The Future, Ducktails.....did I leave any out?

Really though, only Ferraro's solo work, Dolphins and Ducktails I can see fitting the Hypnastoopid Pop glove, the rest is vastly different from eachother...

I still cannot believe The Wire didn't tell Keenan to fuck off with this

rizzx, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 07:04 (5 years ago) Permalink

"The Wire has gotten nearly as silly as the NME."
Well the Wire has been staffed by former NME writers since the mid- to late 80s so making up genres to slot music they wnat to tell you about is nothing that is too surprising.

Unfortunately there is a lack of ideas/argument at the mo. Still look at it in train stations but it often stays at the station.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 08:46 (5 years ago) Permalink

Look for it in train stations, have a rapid scan through Invisible Jukebox, put it back on the shelf... knowhorrimean?

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan noo an' aw (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

no I don't, I'm an American ... you either get it by subscription or find it in fancier bookstores or record stores.

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

Look for it in fancy bookstores, have a rapid scan through Invisible Jukebox, put it back on the shelf... knowhorrimean?

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan noo an' aw (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:08 (5 years ago) Permalink

William Basinski in the new one, btw. Interested to read it. Going to buy the book shortly too. I believe it has Haino in it?

krakow, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

xp actually, look for it at fancy bookstore, look to see if any questionable genres have been coined, look to see if anyone I know has anything reviewed in it, put it back on shelf.

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

Every genre is 'questionable'.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

Have to say that I do quite enjoy the Hello-ish full page photos of mopey-looking musicians in their scuzzy domiciles.

Joerg Hi Dere (NickB), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

Hello?

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan noo an' aw (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

Not enough avant-gardists glowering at manky old teapots.

Joerg Hi Dere (NickB), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

The Wire would be vastly improved if they printed more letters to the editor.

free jazz and mumia (sarahel), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

That's a good point I think.

Joerg Hi Dere (NickB), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:38 (5 years ago) Permalink

They should def print Tom D's letters :-)

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:48 (5 years ago) Permalink

I don't write any anymore!

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan noo an' aw (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

Because I don't buy it often enough to get annoyed enough to write a letter!

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan noo an' aw (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 August 2009 09:50 (5 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

um so can someone pls point me towards the poppier end of this stuff?

(9/9/8/9) (cozwn), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 11:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

Ariel Pink I spose?

an hesher (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 11:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

I saw them play about a week ago and they had a song that sounded like Def Leppard, I could get with it

an hesher (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 11:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

dude who uploaded this needs to play the tape through maybe 20 more times then stick it back up, and Ariel Pink never needs to write a song again

flashback to 2007: with this guardian blog (DJ Mencap), Friday, 18 December 2009 21:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

5 months pass...

I think there is something in this. I've been listening to a lot of Gary War, Emeralds, Rangers, Oneohtrix recently and I can see some relation, although no justification for a "scene" to be created - a lot of the stuff on the Olde English Spelling Bee label sounds similar. As an Englishman of a certain age it is evocative of ET era Spielberg films, of an America I'm not sure ever existed but created by a weird juxtaposition of watching Happy Days in northern England in the 1980s. A lot of these bands also seem to be trying to recreate Loveless as cheaply as possible.

Liking Forest Swords too - this guy seems to be from near where I grew up, near Liverpool, and is adding Burial to the mix. Good stuff.

kraudive, Friday, 28 May 2010 23:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

Creating a such-and-such that seemed to exist but never did is always a good plan to me. I applaud unmusics, &c.

I am fighting off an infection and hope I don't get gangrene or something equally amputate-able.

bamcquern, Saturday, 29 May 2010 04:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

10 months pass...

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