Hommophobia inna dancehall style...

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I love dancehall reggae, but I can't stand the prevalence of batty boy (batty boy/chi chi man being Jamaican slang for homosexual) killers. I went to see Sizzla a couple of months ago and the cry to "Bun batty boy" was as common as "Jah Rastafari." Folks I know say that I should understand the cultural context, but the violence in the anti-batty/chi chi man lyrics are quite extreme. When a bunch of people start singing "Fire ona chi chi man fire! Mek di fire den we bun dem!" I am literally sickened. I have flat out condemned Capleton. I've heard that he's got some redeeming qualities, but I can't get past the psychotic homophobia. Also, it bothers be that the chi chi man has become synonymous with babylon--so much so that deejays are saying stuff like "batty boy--dem run everything." It's just so ridiculous that the focus on hating batty boys causes people to turn away from what I see as far more important issues such as oppression, government corruption, gang warfare, and other such negativity.

I don't want to stop listening to music that I really enjoy...what do you think?

Soe does this

― cybele, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Whatever happened to one love?

― cybele, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah it sux. I downloaded TOK's Chi Chi Man about a week ago and was quite enjoying it. Now I realize what says, I'm pretty disgusted.

― phil, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What do you do then? Do you just avoid? Do you avoid artists or do you avoid songs?

Buju Banton has had some great conscious tunes, but does that erase the fact that he did the infamous "Boom Bye Bye" in which he sings "Boom bye bye inna batty boy head"?

― cybele, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Siegbrand to thread!

Thinking about this .. you don't stop listening to the music you like. But you frame it.

You may decide that you can't, in conscience, give money to *artists* who hold these views. And therefore make it a point of principle only to pirate it.

Secondly, you are careful how you play the music to others. When you recommend or play it to friends, you point out the issue with the music. So if they choose not to listen they have the chance. And everyone knows you aren't going round spreading the memes because you agree, or don't care.

When playing out in public I guess, adopt the same policy, but more so. Really emphasize that this is a great tune BUT it's homophobic. And that this is a real problem with this genre of music. I occasionally play tunes on Campus Radio so I can do this. If I was DJing in a club or making a mixtape for a party where putting this kind of frame wasn't possible, I probably *wouldn't* play or include the tune.

With this policy I can still listen to and promote music, even if I find its message objectionable. But I am never actually pushing the message itself. If anything I use the music to signal my opposition to he message.

― phil, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Also, it bothers be that the chi chi man has become synonymous with babylon--so much so that deejays are saying stuff like "batty boy--dem run everything."

Haven't you heard? The white man invented homosexuality (probably on those long evenings we spent in our caves in the early days). The pure original African man never engaged in such behavior until he was corrupted by the white man. (Someone where I work actually expressed this opinion, give or take some of my faux Afrocentric rhetorical flourishes.)

― DeRayMi, Monday, 17 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(flamebait) Perhaps the spectacle of wealthy Westerners claiming victim status due to sexual preference is an almost intolerable provocation to people in the Third World who actually ARE oppressed? I imagine the denizens of Trenchtown are less than sympathetic than Americans who go to the Supreme Court demanding their rights as transsexuals or whatever tabloid outrages show up down there. Just a thought.

― dave q, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Man Dave Q I've been checking this thread for two days waiting for you to take advantage of a golden opportunity to say something outrageous. How very outre, to blame the bashed and i.d. the people saying "kill the queers" as the actual victims. Bravo.

― John Darnielle, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

well it was either that or denigrate third-world cultures yet again...

I dunno, I think the issue of holding other people to moral standards mainly devised by human-rights lawyers bears some examination. I don't believe it was an enraged dancehall DJ who shot Pim Fortuyn, whose other ideas are neither here nor there in this context. (Then again, let's get back to being crass and obnoxious. Doesn't anyone think that the 'right' to actively pursuing sexual minority status is a bit of a luxury in the grand schme of things? I live a lie too. I am trapped by my extreme need to sleep with supermodels instead of ratty indie chicks. I am unable to act on this and blame societal factors, such as the fact that I'm in a low-paying job and thus am not attractive to same. My thwarted desire is causing me to lead a shadowy mockery of an existence and my desires are ridiculed by friends and family. What's more, an army of feminists is on hand to tell me I am sick, dangerous and the source of all malignity. Why can't I proudly act on my desire to sleep with supermodels?) Yes I know this is disingenuous.

― dave q, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(reason I'm going to such ridiculous lengths to defend Banton et al is because I don't believe this kind of thing is a bid for notoriety, I believe they RILLY TRULY feel it and as public presences their attitudes deserve a bit of forensic treatment because the Jamaica- Anglo/US pop thing has always had some sort of two-way traffic)

― dave q, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"I think the issue of holding other people to moral standards mainly devised by human-rights lawyers bears some examination."

This statement is so stupid. Please don't kill me, beat me, fire me, discriminate against me or whatever is not a MORAL STANDARD invented by HUMAN RIGHTS LAWYERS. I think holding people to the idiotic 2000+ year old moral standards of these moronic repressive body denying religions is what bears examination.

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

what about homosexual individuals who happen to also be poor as hell and live in Jamaica? I'd say that they're rather, erhm, more directly affected by the hatred in the Dancehall scene than these sexual minority right-seekers dave q is going on about?

― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

For the record there are lots of idiotic non-3rd worlders who are very into those "moronic repressive body denying religions"-- dancehallers don't deserve any more of a free-ride than the Jerry Falwells do.

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, as long as they're kept to the same standard, but for some strange reason I don't think they are.

― dave q, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What about those who see sexual 'freedom' as 'spirit-denying rapacious materialist hedonism'? (not me btw)

― dave q, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

but dancehall *isn't* a "body-denying religion" and banton isn't homophobic for the same reasons falwell is => isn't DQ arguing (in deliberately aggressive style) that the battle strategy in the "west", or possibly tha unquestioned local compromises of this strategy, have knock-on effects in the "third world" which are counter to its intentions...?

― mark s, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

thesis: if the strategy is universal human rights law, then the tactic is cultural imperialism

discuss...

― mark s, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

But then, if Western kids prefer Shabba Ranks to their school-issued copy of "Eric has Two Dads and a Gimp and it's OK" then is that reverse cultural imperialism or is it subversion?

― dave q, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i'm not sure that i know what "reverse cultural imperialism" *is*!!

― mark s, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Poss. def. rev. cult. imp. - the unspoken assumption on part of everybody that if culture emanates from the 3rd World it's automatically 'better' and has more substance than Western shit?

― dave q, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm not convinced of the real existence of any rights (except, obviously, as legally created facts), or the objectivity of values, etc. but I still oppose gay bashing.

― DeRayMi, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

And the world trembles in fear of my judgment.

― DeRayMi, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Homophobia, like anti-semitism, can be the socialism of fools. Why are there so many fools? Because they are denied opportunities to cease being fools (i.e. education) and this is due to actual, rather than cultural imperialism.

― Sterling Clover, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sounds like the old "People hate stuff ONLY because they don't understand it" thing again. Also how can the West be accused of imperialism in this instance when wht we're exporting mainly is secular humanism and the dancehall boys get their ideas from the Bible?

― dave q, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Where did they get the Bible from Dave?

― Andrew L, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Whoa, fucked up with that one. D'oh. OK maybe I need info on pre- Colombian attitudes toward sexuality in the West Indies and whether they were more liberal than now

― dave q, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hold on - are you saying that indigenous tribes shouldn't be exposed to cultural products (i.e. Bible) because they might get bad ideas from them?

― dave q, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

the question isn't what the west exports, but rather what it *imports* and thus what's left behind.

― Sterling Clover, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"[A]re you saying that indigenous tribes shouldn't be exposed to cultural products (i.e. Bible) because they might get bad ideas from them?"

No one should be exposed to the Bible because it is FILLED with bad ideas.

― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Has the culture in question has already been corrupted by Western values (via the Bible)? Should Western culture take the opportunity to clean up it's mess? or is that cultural imperialism again? if push comes to shove, i wouldn't be playing the homophobic stuff to myself or to anyone. There may be clever, subtle, and perfectly valid points to be made, but I just can't stomach it.

Are there dancehall lyrics pertaining to lesbians? or to jews for that matter?

― Andrew, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

what about wife-beating, etc?: "gal get whupping"
on some level I think there's definitely comedic exaggeration goin' on
but still, I'm sure some singers mean it literally and certain fans/audiences pick up on it that way.
the homophobia does seem more OTT, rabid ('bun dem' imagery) than the misogyny, though
I still love dancehall anyway, but I can understand why people would be offended
and I wouldn't want to DJ a track that hurt someone's feelings, let alone incite hate
though, for example, slackness is fine for most crowds (maybe not mom)

― Paul, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Comedic exaggeration? Yeah, wife beating and fag bashing are hilarious.

― Andrew, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Only when they comes from white guys like eminem.

― Sterling Clover, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

however eminem is ok? i'm not really seeing the difference between what he says and what the dancehall ppl do

these feelings also predate the introduction of the bible to these countries - look at cultures all over the world that don't use the bible - do they actually embrace homosexuality? did they ever? there's a huge stigma attached to homosexuality in india, for instance - the bible's teachings only really ever infiltrated the southern tip of the subcontinent in any critical mass, the majority of the population pretty much stayed with the ancient teachings of hinduism, which are on the whole really conservative ones for a culture that invented the 'kama sutra'

― geeta, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The difference is that Eminem is, y'know, like really ironic and self- referential and postmodern, so that, like, makes it OK... ;)

― Ben Williams, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

blaming the Bible for homophobia is stupid - it's only mentioned a few times, and half of those are dependent upon interpretation. also i think all but one are in the Old Testament, a lot of which has little relevance on Christianity (basic message = be nice to *everybody*)

― michael, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Anyway, applying cultural imperialism to Jamaica is a strawman, as the entire culture is the result of hybridization born of mass population transfer (and destruction). And the religion isn't historic, but rather deeply tied to modern Ethiopian history.

― Sterling Clover, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

rastafarianism is younger than me!! (haile selassie's state visit to jamaica was in 1963!!)

― mark s, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Adam and Eve spoke with God face to face. Hailie Salasie is God (Jah). Therefore, Rastafarianism is the most ancient religion.

― DeRayMi, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

oh yeah, well i am not the most ancient poster

― methuselah s, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Is it maybe important to separate the rhetoric of "kill homosexuals" from "kill [people I don't like] whom I am going to call homosexual because I don't like them?" Both contain sort of depressingly virulent attacks on homosexuality, but the latter is more (insultingly) homophobic whereas the former is actively and explicitly threatening homosexuals -- cf the difference between saying "kill the developmentally disabled" and "kill all these retards."

I don't really know enough about dancehall to parse which of those forms seems to be the dominant one. And I'm certainly not trying to excuse the latter, just pointing out that it's a hugely different proposition.

― nabisco%%, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

look at cultures all over the world that don't use the bible - do they actually embrace homosexuality? did they ever?

Erm, I think you'll find a great deal of them did. (eg Native Americans)

― Old Fart!!!, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

it's older than you, Mark: Rastafarianism started in the 30s with the crowning of Ras Tafari as Emperor Haile Selassie. the original Marcus Garvey quote was 'Look to Africa for the crowning of a Black king; he shall be the Redeemer.'

― michael, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

nabisco: Because the condemnation of homosexuals is claimed to be in accordance with Rasta belief, the cry to "bun dem" does mean exactly what it says, i.e. burn the fags.

The thing is, Rastafarianism is a Judeo-Christian religion that places great emphasis on apocalypticism. Since the apocalypse (greek for "relevelation") will "reveal" who are the chosen people-- the "elect"--as opposed to the "damned," apocalyptic belief helps to console adherents (who are often oppressed societies) by telling them that there will be a better life for them in the next world/after the day of judgement. Babylon will fall and believers in Jah (the tribe of Judah) will take their rightful place as the "elect." Like Zionists, Rastas believe that there will be a homeland for their people. They think that the bible is talking about the Rastaman's plight--their homeland, the place for "the Israelites" of which Desmond Dekker sings--is in Ethiopia.

Rastafarianism, as an apocalyptic religion, is a very powerful force in the creation of community. The community must have a strong sense of itself, but it also must have a very strong sense of what constitutes the "other" i.e. who IS NOT part of the community.

While the community can provide some extremely positive things, such as empowerment to oppressed people and a sense of validity for one's culture, the desire to abject the "other" requires a clear definition of what doesn't fit. Where does one find this definition? In the Bible, of course!

Babylonians are equated with non-Rastas (significant supporters of the Babylon system being folks like George Bush, the Pope, the Queen- and her facist regime, etc.). Non-Rastas are also those who do not support Rasta belief and, say, commit un-Rasta acts such as having an intimate relationship with someone of the same sex.

The problem for me is that I agree that Babylon is wrong and populated with evil people like George Bush, persay, but I don't like how oppressive forces of Babylon are equated and collapsed with the so-called moral corruption of homosexuality.

― cybele, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Allow me to correct what I just said--I don't want to seem like I'm speaking for people. I should have said "they think," I should make it clear that I mean "it is my understanding that Rasta adheres to the following..."

just wanted to be clear...

― cybele, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Perhaps the spectacle of wealthy Westerners claiming victim status due to sexual preference is an almost intolerable provocation to people in the Third World who actually ARE oppressed? I imagine the denizens of Trenchtown are less than sympathetic than Americans who go to the Supreme Court demanding their rights as transsexuals or whatever tabloid outrages show up down there. Just a thought.

Which is more likely the subject of these homophobic songs: a) Elton John or kd lang b) Joe Q. Homosexual and his longtime companion, taking the LIRR to Fire Island every weekend c) Homosexual folks who share much the same cultural milieu that the dancehall singers come (or came) from or d) Some beast that's about as grounded in lived experience as the baby-eating horn'd Jews in several centuries' worth of anti-Semitic fantasy?

I dunno, I think the issue of holding other people to moral standards mainly devised by human-rights lawyers bears some examination.

The original poster was expressing her disgust at people who wanted to kill: labelling murder as evil is not some cirlicue of recent European liberal legal trends but is rooted in "Thou Shall Not Kill" (or a corruption or a misunderstanding or a oversimplification of the same).

Doesn't anyone think that the 'right' to actively pursuing sexual minority status is a bit of a luxury in the grand schme of things?

When taken in the grand scheme of the way the rest of the world lives now, or the way the mankind has lived throughout most of its existence, or the way sentient creatures typically live within nature, ALL rights (both with and without scare quotes) start to seem like luxuries.

I live a lie too. I am trapped by my extreme need to sleep with supermodels instead of ratty indie chicks. I am unable to act on this and blame societal factors, such as the fact that I'm in a low- paying job and thus am not attractive to same. My thwarted desire is causing me to lead a shadowy mockery of an existence and my desires are ridiculed by friends and family. What's more, an army of feminists is on hand to tell me I am sick, dangerous and the source of all malignity. Why can't I proudly act on my desire to sleep with supermodels?) Yes I know this is disingenuous.

It's not disingenuous. It's chickenshit.

― Michael Daddino, Tuesday, 18 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

labelling murder as evil is not some cirlicue of recent European liberal legal trends but is rooted in "Thou Shall Not Kill" (or a corruption or a misunderstanding or a oversimplification of the same). Which is a tad hypocritical, coming from a bible chock full of stories of the God of the Jews destroying loads of 'enemies of the chosen people'. The universal rule among civilisations of yesterday and today reads "Thou shalt not kill your own kind - if it's an enemy, an animal, a criminal, a plant, a slave, a subhuman, a threat, it's essentially OK".

Murder is only condemned when it upsets or damages the community. If it does not, society quickly comes up with euphemisms (= reducing cognitive dissonance).

― Siegbran Hetteson, Wednesday, 19 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hold on - are you saying that indigenous tribes shouldn't be exposed to cultural products (i.e. Bible) because they might get bad ideas from them?

The phrase "exposed to cultural products" here is probably a little too weak. If I thwacked you in the face with my Louisville Slugger, would you say that you were "exposed to Clarke's bat"?

― Clarke B., Wednesday, 19 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

No, but I dunno if I would write songs in praise of the bat manufacturer either

― dave q, Wednesday, 19 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...

OK, this is a weird and ugly thread to wake back up - it didn't get ugly at the time, but ilX0r is a different place now, so I'm hesitating. But I was just now listening to a wonderful internet radio station called Big Up Radio Dancehall and an Elephant Man song comes on, and I'm like, cool, several times in the past year I've looked at an Elephant Man record and thought "I should buy that, some of this dancehall stuff is beginning to get to me in a big way." And so I listen, and it's not just some anti-homosexual stuff: that's the whole damned song. "Me don't want no chi-chi mon friend, no/not gonna find me with no fassy-man friend, no" etc etc etc et fuckin' CETERA, calls for violence, non-stop stuff which if rendered in standard English would be: "I don't want any gay friends! Don't like the gay men!" etc. i.e. it'd be Skrewdriver, more or less.

And I was, like, kickass interesting rhythm or not, that's fuckin' bullshit.

That's about it.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 2 July 2003 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

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we need more seminars, like the juggalos

― am0n, Friday, 11 September 2009 16:39 (sixteen years ago)

Maybe the civil rights organization behind the planned boycotts of those venues could try to engage Mr. Banton a little more directly?

― kingkongvsgodzilla, Friday, 11 September 2009 16:40 (sixteen years ago)

We should just send them both a link to this thread.

― kingkongvsgodzilla, Friday, 11 September 2009 16:40 (sixteen years ago)

hugs not thugs

― ice cr?m, Friday, 11 September 2009 16:40 (sixteen years ago)

i ain't gonna play sun city

― velko, Friday, 11 September 2009 16:40 (sixteen years ago)

I don't think the primary concern is changing attitudes in Jamaica; I think the primary concern is the people operating a venue saying "we do not people to think we condone this attitude".

^^^ truthbomb

― a full circle lol (J0hn D.), Friday, 11 September 2009 16:41 (sixteen years ago)

what happened to my "want"

oh well, the gist should be clear

― "So messy!" (HI DERE), Friday, 11 September 2009 16:42 (sixteen years ago)

what happened to my "want"

you never it

― a full circle lol (J0hn D.), Friday, 11 September 2009 16:44 (sixteen years ago)

if buju banton would record a song abt macintosh computers and graduate degrees it would mollify me somewhat

― ice cr?m, Friday, 11 September 2009 16:44 (sixteen years ago)

Maybe the civil rights organization behind the planned boycotts of those venues could try to engage Mr. Banton a little more directly?

― kingkongvsgodzilla, Friday, September 11, 2009 12:40 PM

not everything can be solved by having two monsters battle, kingkongvsgodzilla

― am0n, Friday, 11 September 2009 16:45 (sixteen years ago)

I want hugs from thugs.

― boring movies are the most boring (Eric H.), Friday, 11 September 2009 16:45 (sixteen years ago)

British diplomat found strangled in Jamaican home in suspected gay-hate murder (11/09/2009)

A note was left on his blood-soaked body branding him a "batty man" - local slang for homosexual. A cord and piece of clothing were still around his neck.

― hypermediocrity (Derelict), Monday, 14 September 2009 17:01 (sixteen years ago)

No word on Banton's alibi.

― Giorgio Marauder (I eat cannibals), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 00:22 (sixteen years ago)

We know he wasn't at First Ave.

― boring movies are the most boring (Eric H.), Tuesday, 15 September 2009 00:28 (sixteen years ago)

brooklyn seems to dig capleton's lyrical content and between-song banter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vylzh_-b1SU

― am0n, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 15:10 (sixteen years ago)

wtf, it's machismo + monotheism, just like "white" homophobia. this idea that it's rooted in poverty is just fucked.

seriously wtf.

― amateurist, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 21:26 (sixteen years ago)

four weeks pass...

http://www.towleroad.com/2009/10/murder-music-singer-buju-banton-has-first-meeting-with-gay-advocates.html

― cough syrup in coke cans (Eric H.), Wednesday, 14 October 2009 00:29 (sixteen years ago)

real thoughtful comments on that article.

― 2009 Nominee, Best African (Whitey on the Moon), Wednesday, 14 October 2009 02:28 (sixteen years ago)

did he MURDER DEM?

― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 14 October 2009 02:31 (sixteen years ago)

It was before the dawn of time, but oO_Oo at stelfox and maybe more so at the space cleared for him. WTF, ol' ILX?

― a bleak, sometimes frightening portrait of ceiling cat (contenderizer), Wednesday, 14 October 2009 03:15 (sixteen years ago)

Okay, maybe I'm reading way too much into this, but...look at Buju Banton's hands in the photograph. He's making a sign over his crotch that some people use to indicate a vagina. And I invite you to try to sit that way yourself...it does not feel like a very natural position to me. I'm guessing Banton is making the sign to mock the folks in the photograph with him.

Posted by: peterparker | Oct 13, 2009 12:55:15 PM

http://api.ning.com/files/AlF29i7dC3Lhgz6dtRJOtF-zI6-gsTxWDb550OQ2bq*G5yWUR*G9rj0LYG5BLdi5Zc8RA9mnIWVDDRHCbNYXsAf-Tz79y37h/Haile_Selassie_G_0485.jpg

― am0n, Wednesday, 14 October 2009 03:36 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.towleroad.com/2009/10/buju-banton-there-is-no-end-to-the-war-between-me-and-faggot.html

― cough syrup in coke cans (Eric H.), Saturday, 17 October 2009 14:21 (sixteen years ago)

I want to hear Buju Banton's considered take on the Jan Moir furore.

― Neil S, Saturday, 17 October 2009 15:43 (sixteen years ago)

fuck this guy imo

― it's like a Shark-Cage but for "Your Junk" AKA Your Penis & Balls (stevie), Saturday, 17 October 2009 17:39 (sixteen years ago)

yeah it's really pretty much impossible to defend the dude at this point

― headroom (max) (M@tt He1ges0n), Saturday, 17 October 2009 17:57 (sixteen years ago)

this thread is filled with some amazingly condescending excuses for homophobia imo

― access flap (omar little), Saturday, 17 October 2009 21:03 (sixteen years ago)

coming from folks who would probably RAGE at length against the amount of instruments arcade fire dares to use on a song, or some other similarly big important social issue

― access flap (omar little), Saturday, 17 October 2009 21:05 (sixteen years ago)

just a thought

― access flap (omar little), Saturday, 17 October 2009 21:05 (sixteen years ago)

^^^^ i almost posted the exact same thing, it seems really weird!

― a perfect urkel (gbx), Saturday, 17 October 2009 21:06 (sixteen years ago)

remember omar, homophobia or even being a white power creep like some of those norway black metal dudes is no sin compared to being an semi-popular indie rock band that uncool ppl like

― headroom (max) (M@tt He1ges0n), Saturday, 17 October 2009 21:14 (sixteen years ago)

^^^^ i almost posted the exact same thing, it seems really weird!

― a perfect urkel (gbx), Saturday, October 17, 2009 5:06 PM

even after seeing the pic i posted?

― am0n, Saturday, 17 October 2009 23:25 (sixteen years ago)

incisive political cartoons inna dancehall style

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/magazines/Entertainment/images/20091015T200000-0500_161898_OBS__NO_END_TO_THE_WAR_BETWEEN_ME_AND_THE_GAYS___BUJU_TELLS_MUTA_1.jpg

― am0n, Saturday, 17 October 2009 23:43 (sixteen years ago)

nine months pass...

It's "Gary."

http://www.alfingers.com/news/busy-signal-gary/

― Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 27 July 2010 07:20 (fifteen years ago)

one year passes...

so much evolving going right now

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/us-news-blog/2012/may/18/beenie-man-rap-gay-rights

― liberté, égalité, beyoncé (lex pretend), Friday, 18 May 2012 21:11 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W90Moq_InEc

― am0n, Friday, 18 May 2012 22:19 (fourteen years ago)

i don't even know what this is supposed to mean

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/assets/8071090/ed-cart-thursday-17-may.jpg

― am0n, Friday, 18 May 2012 22:25 (fourteen years ago)

i'm not completely convinced. just a reminder that last time beenie "apologized" he came out with this right after:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5NDcksC0wQ

― chilli, Saturday, 19 May 2012 00:42 (fourteen years ago)

hell of a bellybutton on that gay community

― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Saturday, 19 May 2012 01:53 (fourteen years ago)

why is beenie man wearing a stethoscope?

― The Reverend, Saturday, 19 May 2012 06:03 (fourteen years ago)

because he is The Doctor

― bentelec, Saturday, 19 May 2012 06:11 (fourteen years ago)

Beenie looks away from the camera too much to make me think he feels it in his heart, but he feels it in his head.

― bendy, Saturday, 19 May 2012 06:22 (fourteen years ago)

The 100% cynical response of the people in the Observer video is probably otm, unfortunately.

The US recently cancelled the visas of a couple of dancehall acts and governments within the Caribbean, including Barbados and St Lucia, have started to refuse big-name stars work permits to play there.

Irrespective of whether it's heartfelt or not, it's still the right message.

― Just like you, except hot (ShariVari), Saturday, 19 May 2012 06:54 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dwS82qLToI

evolution is obfuscation, per crit darling (and upcoming no doubt collaborator - can't wait) busy

― r|t|c, Saturday, 19 May 2012 14:29 (fourteen years ago)

"link with the rainbow" seems pretty clear to me, but yeah most artists avoid directly targeting homosexuals these days because of all the visa issues

― chilli, Saturday, 19 May 2012 19:42 (fourteen years ago)

Buju Banton is undeniably gay

― Morrissey & Clunes: The Severed Alliance (PaulTMA), Sunday, 20 May 2012 01:06 (fourteen years ago)

http://www.examiner.com/article/beenie-man-denies-apologizing-to-homosexuals-fellow-artistes-react-to-video

http://images.wikia.com/runescape/images/1/1f/Emoticon-Facepalm.gif back to the drawing board...

― shit_ebooks (am0n), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 21:19 (fourteen years ago)

smgdh

― The Reverend, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 21:27 (fourteen years ago)

one month passes...

it got kind of buried under the anderson cooper and frank ocean stories, but diana king ("shy guy") came out of the closet this week, too

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/05/diana-king-comes-out-jama_n_1652189.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

― radical ferry (donna rouge), Friday, 6 July 2012 16:42 (thirteen years ago)

cool.

― chain the color of am0n (The Reverend), Friday, 6 July 2012 16:53 (thirteen years ago)

I like her description of homophobia as a "heavy burden".

― chain the color of am0n (The Reverend), Friday, 6 July 2012 17:05 (thirteen years ago)

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