Meshell Ndegeocello: RFI

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I was tempted to buy her new record last week. Despite her attempts to strive for societal significance (attempts which, superficially, bug the hell out of me almost as much as that Mellencamp collab), it's hard to stay angry when dealing w/ the writer of "If That's Your Boyfriend". Her 1st album didn't impress me much, though.

So what's the deal?

Daver, Tuesday, 11 June 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Josh to thread ASAP!

Daver, Tuesday, 11 June 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

you guys are fucking mentalists.

jess, Tuesday, 11 June 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Jess in myopic Alex-in-NYC-esque palabumum shocker! But, hey, free speech is a beautiful thing, so rock on, little camper.

Daver, Tuesday, 11 June 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

dave's so cute when he's trying to pretend he's not hurt.

jess, Tuesday, 11 June 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

maybe i'm just giving her a raw deal because of johnny cougar.

jess, Tuesday, 11 June 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

palabumum is my new favourite word

mark s, Tuesday, 11 June 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

raise yr standards mark.

jess, Tuesday, 11 June 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

ANYWAY.

Daver, Tuesday, 11 June 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

it's a good album! trust ben williams, he knows what he's talking about.

the parts you will be made uneasy by: the slightly sleepy songwriting at times (I thought there would be more hooks), and the consciousness schtick (there's a reason she was asked to contribute to lilith fair vol. 3 hahaha). let neither of those bother you though. it is a little sleepy, but that just means you should get comfy. and content-wise it sounds something like an underground 'conscious' rap album might if made by a woman. and with funk and soul instead of rap.

the bass sound is really fucking excellent. on some of the songs it was straining my fancy headphones almost the whole time! (even most of my rap isn't low enough to do that unless I turn them way way up). a tribe called quest said something on the love movement about how they wanted the sounds to love you, and this album reminds me of that only it does it lots more, and the beats are better. although the scenario remix is a million times better than the (good) red+missy remix here.

Josh, Tuesday, 11 June 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I downloaded the single. I absolutely love the production. Bass like this is what keeps the world spinning. I want to buy the album JUST FOR the bass if it's all like this.

Keiko, Tuesday, 11 June 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

what Josh said. it's a terrific album

M Matos, Tuesday, 11 June 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

She's probably the best-all-around bass player of the moment, if you subscribe to the chops+sound+feel=quality equation.

Colin Meeder, Wednesday, 12 June 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

i subscribe to the "chops+minted peas w. butter+honey roast potatoes=delicious" theory

mark s, Wednesday, 12 June 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

colin in not preferring eric axelson shockah!

Josh, Wednesday, 12 June 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I also prefer Mark's serving suggestion to Victon Wooten.

Colin Meeder, Wednesday, 12 June 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Although I prefer Victon Wooten, the Robotic Chops Machine, to Victor Wooten, the inferior human copy.

Colin Meeder, Wednesday, 12 June 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

Eric Axelson in missing bio shockah!

Colin Meeder, Wednesday, 12 June 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

I might be willing to give her a listen if I could get past pronouncing her name. ...and if I knew who she was...

Dave225, Wednesday, 12 June 2002 00:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

5 years pass...

guys the new record is really good

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 8 November 2007 23:53 (6 years ago) Permalink

ive never listened to her but i have a chance to see her for free. should i go

deej, Thursday, 8 November 2007 23:55 (6 years ago) Permalink

if you dig jazzy kinda jammy funky shit, yes. it's like ohio players directed by ornette with betty davis singing lead.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 9 November 2007 00:00 (6 years ago) Permalink

you think she sings like betty davis?

deej, Friday, 9 November 2007 00:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

not saying i disagree, ive never really listened to her

deej, Friday, 9 November 2007 00:02 (6 years ago) Permalink

can't wait to hear it despite being less than impressed with the last one.

tricky, Friday, 9 November 2007 00:04 (6 years ago) Permalink

you think she sings like betty davis?

-- deej, Friday, November 9, 2007 12:02 AM

Not in terms of vocal quality, just in terms of rawness.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 9 November 2007 00:06 (6 years ago) Permalink

1 year passes...

I finally got The World Has Made Me the One Man of My Dreams (the title is kinda pretentious, but I wonder if it's meant to have queer connotations?), and it is pretty great! At first it sounded a bit formless, but now that I've listened to it more I really like the cosmic jamming and all the little intricate details. At the moment my favourite tune is probably "Elliptical". It somehow reminds me of "O Superman", maybe because of the vocal processing and the odd, evocative lyrics.

I really liked the jazz album Ndegeocello put out a few years ago too, but I completely missed Comfort Woman, and now I'm wondering if should get that one too. Does it sound anything similar to these two?

Tuomas, Friday, 16 January 2009 09:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I just heard this lately and "Elliptical", "Elliptical", oh holy shit "Elliptical".

The Reverend, Friday, 16 January 2009 09:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

wtf @ hoos comparing her to Betty Davis

The Reverend, Friday, 16 January 2009 09:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

You know, her upper register is gorgeous in it's own way and I never really knew she had it until I heard this album.

The Reverend, Friday, 16 January 2009 09:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

Why does the AMG review claim this album has a bonus track called "Soul Spaceship"? At least my copy hasn't.

Tuomas, Friday, 16 January 2009 13:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

ive never really liked her. the 'arent i saying something important' sanctimony of her delivery has always bugged me. and i was never a huge fan of 90s slap bass. but i love her cover of hendrixs may this be love.

theres nothing betty davis about her singing though.

uk grime faggot (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 16 January 2009 13:55 (5 years ago) Permalink

worth seeing live though. saw her when she was doing her jazz album a few years back and then before that for the bitter tour, when she was going through her more serious joe henry ish phase.

uk grime faggot (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 16 January 2009 13:56 (5 years ago) Permalink

I have nothing against "aren't I saying something important" attitude if it's well done. I do agree that she does get a bit self-important at times, but I also like how she deals with subjects that few others in her genre do. I can't imagine anyone else doing a song like "Barry Farms", for example.

Anyway, if you don't like her delivery you should check out the jazz album. She doesn't sing on it at all, and only 3 of the 8 tunes have vocals anyway. "Aquarium" (which is sung by Sabina Sciubba) on that album might be the best song she's ever written.

Tuomas, Friday, 16 January 2009 14:21 (5 years ago) Permalink

i think i find her a bit monotone too. but ive not heard her music in years so i might find it different now. agreed that she deserves credit for broaching subjects that not many others do. i need to dig out peace beyond passion.

uk grime faggot (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 16 January 2009 14:26 (5 years ago) Permalink

4 months pass...

I finally got Comfort Woman, and it's pretty great, though I think the more varied and experimental stuff on The World Has Made Me... makes it even better. Comfort Woman is much better sexing music though.

2:24 in this tune = one of my favourite moments in a pop song.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 13:25 (4 years ago) Permalink

This one's like the "O Superman" of the 00s, totally brilliant!

Tuomas, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 13:32 (4 years ago) Permalink

i saw her london show, it was pretty great although utterly, utterly rammed. got chatted up by an incredibly drunk romanian woman who was on her second bottle of wine and kept complaining about the number of "dykes" in the audience. i was like well, you are at a meshell ndegeocello gig you know...

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 14:00 (4 years ago) Permalink

Hahaha!

Tuomas, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 14:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

So, apparently she has a new album called "Devil's Halo" coming out October 6th. I'm pretty excited about this, the more I've listened to The World Has Made Me the Man of My Dreams, the more I feel it's her best album ever (and it's not like she's made too many bad albums). So my expectations are pretty high for this one.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 19 August 2009 22:20 (4 years ago) Permalink

That news release says the new album is "influenced by a wide breadth of sounds - from The Human League to Wu Tang to Yes". Sounds pretty cool, and something she could actually pull off.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 19 August 2009 22:23 (4 years ago) Permalink

any friend of my brother's is a friend of mine:

"another of the Bunnybrains’ famous fans is acclaimed pop singer and bassist Me’Shell Ndegeocello, who as of late has been collaborating with Seward on a soundscape project. “Being around Dan is experiential and insightful,” she says. “The Bunnybrains are a mind-child that opened the door to my courage.”

scott seward, Wednesday, 19 August 2009 22:33 (4 years ago) Permalink

That's nice for your brother! She's so cool!

Tuomas, Thursday, 20 August 2009 19:40 (4 years ago) Permalink

yeah, they live in the same town and hang out. she has played live with his crazy band too.

scott seward, Thursday, 20 August 2009 19:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

So, the new album came out this Tuesday, anyone heard it yet? My local music store only gets it next Tuesday, so I have to wait until that. I'm sorta tempted to to download it before that, but then again I like the old-school kind of feeling when you get the actual physical record in your hands, and it's still a mystery before you put it on your record player.

AMG gave it 4,5 stars, apparently it's a more stripped-down and conventional album than The World Has Made Me the Man of My Dreams. I really like the experimentalism on her previous few albums (especially on The World Has Made Me...), so it's interesting to hear how she pulls off this change of direction.

Tuomas, Friday, 9 October 2009 11:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

im totally out of touch with what shes doing these days. though the last thing i heard was a bit laswell-ian in all the base-covering.

titchy (titchyschneiderMk2), Friday, 9 October 2009 11:54 (4 years ago) Permalink

fuck im out of town when shes in chi -- and shes playing literal blocks from my apt

i got nothin (deej), Friday, 9 October 2009 11:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

New album is really good. Has a great cover of "Love You Down" (feminine nouns intact, of course). That's all I have to say about it at this point, as it seems to demand a good deal of unpacking, which is as I would expect from her.

The Reverend, Friday, 9 October 2009 21:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

Ooh, I can't wait until Tuesday to get to hear it!

Tuomas, Saturday, 10 October 2009 07:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

"Lola" is so awesome, just keeps kicking into higher gears.

The Reverend, Saturday, 10 October 2009 08:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

Bit like a proggier Bitter.

your way better (Eazy), Wednesday, 2 November 2011 03:29 (2 years ago) Permalink

Woah, I wasn't looking at the track list, and the "Chelsea Hotel" cover comes out of nowhere!

your way better (Eazy), Wednesday, 2 November 2011 03:46 (2 years ago) Permalink

kind of thought this was maybe her most direct/immediate album since the '90s. the lyrics are just gorgeous.

the moment on "oysters" when she murmurs "everybody talking 'bout changing the world / the world ain't ever gonna change / but you can always change it for me..." <3 <3 <3

lex pretend, Wednesday, 2 November 2011 07:47 (2 years ago) Permalink

prince covers : http://uheardat.blogspot.com/2011/08/meshell-hearts-prince.html

sisilafami, Wednesday, 2 November 2011 13:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

a friend of mine just played drums with her on a gig (not a meshell gig, backing up arooj aftab...anyone go to that?)

this is unusual for batman. (Jordan), Wednesday, 2 November 2011 14:04 (2 years ago) Permalink

The NYC club listing below is not clear--are they playing Pakistani music?

An incredible incredible stupendous stupendous group of humans will walk and run and dream and weep through an evening of songs by Arooj Aftab and Grey Mcmurray.

The Sea Gazing Family Band for the night of October 29th 2011 will be:

Arooj Aftab
Mathias Kunzli
Joshua Valleau
Conor Elmes
Norman Vladimir
Grey Mcmurray
and Meshell Ndegeocello

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 2 November 2011 14:24 (2 years ago) Permalink

pakistani jazz?

this is unusual for batman. (Jordan), Wednesday, 2 November 2011 14:43 (2 years ago) Permalink

I'm loving the Prince covers gig...sounds incredible...who she playing with??

The Pastiche Liberation Front (sonnyboy), Wednesday, 2 November 2011 19:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

On the Prince gigs she's been accompanied by guitarist Chris Bruce, keyboardist Keefus Ciancia and drummer Deantoni Parks,

curmudgeon, Thursday, 3 November 2011 04:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

Liked my first listen to Weather last night...

curmudgeon, Thursday, 3 November 2011 13:22 (2 years ago) Permalink

think my favorite meshell album is still the world has made me the man of my dreams but weather one might be second? it's restrained in comparison to both world and devil's halo but it still has all this detail.

mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Thursday, 3 November 2011 19:37 (2 years ago) Permalink

man the "chelsea hotel" cover is just completely draining to listen to, in the best way

mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Wednesday, 9 November 2011 01:09 (2 years ago) Permalink

this is on spotify by the way

mutant slow drum (BradNelson), Wednesday, 9 November 2011 01:10 (2 years ago) Permalink

i love how the differences in mood and performance between the intimate love songs where she's cocooned w/her gf and the bleak heartbreak songs are so slight and subtle that the whole album ends up variations on one overall mood

all i see is angels in my eyes (lex pretend), Wednesday, 9 November 2011 01:20 (2 years ago) Permalink

lex convinced me to listen to this and this is great!

if prince released an album this good all the rock critics in america would collectively shit their pants at once

the 500 gats of bartholomew thuggins (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 9 November 2011 01:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

Collective Soiled

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 9 November 2011 02:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

This album is kind of too subdued for its own good? Enjoying the live Prince covers a lot more.

The Reverend, Friday, 18 November 2011 11:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

i'm disappointed with this new album, i miss the flights of melody.

sisilafami, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:40 (2 years ago) Permalink

live in London tonight iirc

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 18 November 2011 16:28 (2 years ago) Permalink

This album is kind of too subdued for its own good?

i don't hear that it's any more subdued than meshell usually is...

i am going tonight! first time i'm seeing her live. hyped

all i see is angels in my eyes (lex pretend), Friday, 18 November 2011 17:17 (2 years ago) Permalink

Here's an excerpt from a review of her last week at a club near Washington DC

One must not show up to a Meshell Ndegeocello show with a set of expectations based on listening to one or two of the records she’s made over the past two decades. On each outing, she embraces a new set of creative impulses and totally immerses herself in them when bringing the recordings to the stage. On Tuesday at the Birchmere, an artist known for nasty funk and sultry rapping gave a delicate performance that fit the spare character of her recently released “Weather” album.

To watch Ndegeocello is to observe a musician who bares naked emotion that creates connection while still being staunchly committed to doing things her way. And that means disappointment for the exuberant fan who repeatedly shouted for 1993’s provocative dance jam “If That’s Your Boyfriend (He Wasn’t Last Night).” It was clear it wasn’t going to be that type of party once she quietly took the stage accompanied only by her guitarist and eased into an acoustic take on the melancholy love song “Grace.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/vocalist-meshell-ndegeocello-embraces-her-soft-side/2011/11/16/gIQABeUGSN_story.html

curmudgeon, Friday, 18 November 2011 17:26 (2 years ago) Permalink

so she's like the r&b jandek then

yo zuccotti (J0rdan S.), Friday, 18 November 2011 19:01 (2 years ago) Permalink

7 months pass...

^^^^ that is amazing

second fantastic ndegéocello/migs collab of late after this

bitch I'm on the 242 (lex pretend), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 14:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 months pass...

she has a new album out tomorrow called "Pour une âme souveraine (A dedication to nina simone)".

sisilafami, Monday, 8 October 2012 21:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

!!!!

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Monday, 8 October 2012 22:14 (1 year ago) Permalink

oh wow, i saw that she was doing a tribute tour (a la prince), but didn't think she would do a record.

i have a gig the night she comes to town, but purposefully took the opening slot so i can go see her. :)

have a sandwich or ice cream sandwich (Jordan), Monday, 8 October 2012 22:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

I will have to check that out

yeah her prince tribute was a+, nina will be aces

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 8 October 2012 22:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

Is the album gonna be covers of Nina Simone songs? I love both Simone and Ndegeocello, but I'm not sure if she's the best to cover her... Would love to be proven wrong, though.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 08:39 (1 year ago) Permalink

tracklisting on Amazon plus a few details below

1. Please Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood
2. Suzanne
3. Real Real (feat. Toshi Reagon)
4. House Of The Rising Sun (feat. Toshi Reagon)
5. Turn Me On
6. Feelin' Good
7. Don't Take All Night (feat.Sinead O'Connor)
8. Nobody's Fault But Mine (feat. Lizz Wright)
9. Be My Husband (feat. Valerie June)
10. Black Is The Color Of My True Love's Hair (feat. V
11. See Line Woman (feat. Tracy Wannomae)
12. Either Way I Lose
13. To Be Young, Gifted and Black (feat. Cody Chesnutt
14. Four Women

Meshell Ndegeocello, the American singer-songwriter, rapper, bassist and vocalist and her musicians Chris Bruce (guitar), Jebin Bruni (keys), and Deantoni Parks (drums) recorded a tribute to Nina Simone and play some of the tracks made famous by the icon of black music. Meshell also invited a few guests to take part of this dedication to Nina Simone, such as Sinead O'Conner, Lizz Wright, Valerie June, Toshi Reagon and Cody ChesnuTT.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 16:19 (1 year ago) Permalink

I don't know why she didn't record an album of Prince covers...the clips of her doing them in concert sounded great...

The Pastiche Liberation Front (sonnyboy), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 16:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

i bet that would get into some weird territory both legally and personally, i read somewhere that they're not exactly close personal friends? would love to hear that record though.

have a sandwich or ice cream sandwich (Jordan), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 16:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

otm

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 17:01 (1 year ago) Permalink

Yep, Prince might try to block it. For an interview with her that I did, she said:

Ndegeocello, who said in a 2000 interview that her goal was to tour as Prince’s bass player, answered a bit cryptically when I asked if she had ever performed with him. “He's an amazing musician, an amazing player, an unparalleled creator. He wasn't the nicest dude to me.”

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 17:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

prince why u gotta be mean 2 our girl?

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 17:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

I mean could/would Prince block that...I mean I know he's not as keen as Larry David on the whole lesbian issue but that would be a whole nother level of 'WTF'...oh yeah I forgot...he's Prince...

The Pastiche Liberation Front (sonnyboy), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 17:49 (1 year ago) Permalink

2 weeks pass...

The versions of "See Line Woman" and "Four Women" are so good. I kind of wish the guest vocalists would go away tho.

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 07:12 (1 year ago) Permalink

fuck. The World Has... is a masterpiece.

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Friday, 26 October 2012 09:53 (1 year ago) Permalink

I mean, I already knew I loved this album but it's completely undoing my head right now.

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Friday, 26 October 2012 09:54 (1 year ago) Permalink

:D

IMP of the perverse (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 26 October 2012 14:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

fuck. The World Has... is a masterpiece.

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Tim F, Friday, 26 October 2012 19:21 (1 year ago) Permalink

otm

IMP of the perverse (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 27 October 2012 06:50 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

that album cracks my head open slightly wider every time i listen to it

Rolling "2 chainz" draadje (The Reverend), Saturday, 22 December 2012 21:55 (1 year ago) Permalink

kinda f'ed up world when she's probably best known for that van Morrison cover mellencamp did years ago, she's basically a genius.

LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Saturday, 22 December 2012 21:59 (1 year ago) Permalink

yeup

Rolling "2 chainz" draadje (The Reverend), Saturday, 22 December 2012 22:48 (1 year ago) Permalink

Otm

when worlds coincide (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 23 December 2012 03:47 (1 year ago) Permalink

1 month passes...

my brother celebrating his birthday the other night!

scott seward, Thursday, 21 February 2013 01:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

! <3

The Reverend, Thursday, 21 February 2013 01:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

WHOA

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 21 February 2013 04:09 (1 year ago) Permalink

super cool!

harvester of lols (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 21 February 2013 06:52 (1 year ago) Permalink


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